User talk:Kingjeff/Archive 3

Hamburg Election
Hi! There seems to be plenty of info on the German wiki: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCrgerschaftswahl_in_Hamburg_2011.

Unfortunately I don't speak German, so I don't know what it says exactly (google translate has its errors as we know). But maybe you know of another user from Germany who can add stuff from the article? --Darthdyas (talk) 20:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Owen Hargreaves
Hello! Your edits to Owen Hargreaves added a ref name of "Owen", related to the birthplace of his siblings, but you did not include the source. Could you please revisit the article and add in the source you intended? Thanks! - Salamurai (talk) 03:51, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

re:Anatoliy Tymenshenko
I was looking at the Wikipedia information on Reviewing good articles. Where does it say to write an assessment on quick fail? From what I saw, I did not see anything with that. Chris (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing I saw was that the intro was too short template. Because of this and the Reviewing good article guidelines on any templates needing cleanup or something similar to that, I quick failed and proceeded no further than that. I hope this helps. Chris (talk) 21:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * When I saw the template on that, I quick failed it. Because of this, I proceeded no further in reading or reviewing the article. Sorry. Chris (talk) 22:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Minister-Präsident
Does Minister-Präsident mean Minister-President and Erste Minister mean Prime Minister or First Minister? Kingjeff (talk) 02:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Means Minister-Präsident, or more correctly Ministerpräsident, does mean Minister President of Prussia. Erste Minister means First Minister . Premierminister would be the equivalent of Prime Minister. Ploitically all just a bit different. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * So, the head of a German state in english would be Minister-President? Kingjeff (talk) 02:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It depends on the time period. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:25, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ministerpräsident (of one of the current German federal states) is usually translated as Prime Minister. Just look at the web sites of for example Bavaria, North Rhine-Westphalia, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. I never heard "Erster Minister" or "First Minister". This seems only be used in historical context. --Jaellee (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe this translation is a popular error (I was taught that translation in school but that's not really a reliable source) but even the BBC used it: ... said Christian Wulff, Lower Saxony's conservative prime minister . A newer article uses "governor": Mr Wulff, the Lower Saxony state governor ... . The New York Times uses "premier" . There is a thread at dict.leo.org about the difficulties of translation of this term which might be helpful . --Jaellee (talk) 17:39, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * After reading the discussion page of Christian Wulff I think that the problem with the translation of "Ministerpräsident" is that a "known" term like governor or prime minister has a different connotation for every reader, depending on his background (British, US-American, Canadian, Australian, Indian, ... not even mentioning the non-native English speakers). As long there is no English expression that exactly means "German Ministerpräsident", every translation is always (at least slightly) wrong.
 * I would favor keeping the original term and adding an explanation (something like a prime minister or governor ...). In German texts, the original terms (like "First Minister") are often not translated so maybe that's why I'm comfortable with this idea. For what it's worth, Minister-president (with or without hyphen) sounds like a bad English translation to me.  --Jaellee (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: My message bar work as designed. No problems with it.

I agree that WT:GER is one appropriate place to discuss this, as there are more people there who are knowledgeable about the subject, but since it is a contentious issue, an even more central location might be more appropriate (though I'm not sure where). Based on WP:Vote, it might be appropriate to change the heading and reformulate the discussion to give arguments (with the aim of achieving consensus) Since the discussion of the arguments is elsewhere, this give the impression of a vote without discussing the arguments. --Boson (talk) 06:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Paul the Octopus
I wasn't aware that Paul has already spoken. According to my information, the next prediction will start Tuesday at 11:00. --Jaellee (talk) 20:05, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Some people are really fighting dirty. But even if Paul makes a mistake tomorrow, everything will be fine, as long as Jogi Löw wears his blue cashmere sweater. --Jaellee (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just seen Paul on WDR predicting Spain will win. I hope he's wrong... Jared Preston (talk) 10:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Adding items to talk pages with someone else's signature
You probably don't want to be adding the blurb about the discussion regarding baseball rosters and flags to all those talk pages while using yuristache's signature line. It's not going to help your credibility, and will likely lead to accusations of sockpuppetry. It may also violate WP:CANVAS. -Dewelar (talk) 04:38, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * My apologies. I was looking at the wrong edits. However, this could still be viewed as improper canvassing. -Dewelar (talk) 04:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By placing the link as a preface to a comment that presents a non-neutral POV on the subject, the combination of your link and yuristache's blurb could be seen as an attempt to influence consensus. See the section on Improper notification. -Dewelar (talk) 04:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Those are the edits I mean above. Read the section and you should understand why it could be viewed as improper. Specifically the first bullet point reads "Posting a notification of discussion that presents the topic in a non-neutral manner". The section titled "Campaigning" could also apply. -Dewelar (talk) 05:05, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Please note that this was not meant to be an accusation. I am assuming good faith in your effort to notify people of the discussion. I just wanted to make you aware of the appearance of impropriety. -Dewelar (talk) 05:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with you in principle. The problem was in the execution :) . I think what you could have done, rather than simply post a link, is to post a textual invitation, along the lines of "This issue is currently under discussion at WT:BASEBALL if you would like to contribute to it" and sign it with your own signature. By posting it as you did, it appears to be directly tied to yuristache's comment, which is non-neutral and therefore subject to canvassing accusations. Actually, it makes yuristache look worse than it does you. -Dewelar (talk) 05:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Obesity in France
Hello Kingjeff ! :)

I've been working of the article of my country for a few days. I was adding information on obesity on the section "Public health" when I discovered that you have created an article on this subject. So I wonder if you could check my contributions on this paragraph (here is the link), and tell me what do you think about it, if it's too long or too short, if informations miss, or other things like this. Thank you ! :D Celyndel (talk) 19:26, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So you think it's okay ? Celyndel (talk) 09:16, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

DSDS 8
Hi Kingjeff!

RTL show a bit of the DSDS 8 format at its presentation of the 2010/2011 TV season. The link: http://www.quotenmeter.de/cms/?p1=n&p2=43114&p3=. Bye. Redpower94 (talk) 10:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Deutschland sucht den Superstar
Yes I think so - huge improvement of an article that was totally messed up. Good work! Shameless (talk) 20:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

José Sosa
I didn't see it on Bayern's site either, but it was on Kicker, I can't remember the link. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Werder Bremen
Question: Are you a Werder Bremen fan? I am working on the 2010–11 SV Werder Bremen season article. Kingjeff (talk) 19:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC) Answer: No, thanks --WikiWikinger (talk) 19:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Your article to do list
I moved your article to do list from Template:Kingjeff's articles to work start to User:Kingjeff/articles to work start as it should be in your user space instead of the template namespace. Though it took me two moves to do it since I botched the first move (D'oh!). I updated your user page after I moved it. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Re:Bayern Munich II/Werder Bremen II
It seems reasonable to me. Unless you're willing to update them yourself, I suspect these articles will be out of date most of the time, but it doesn't seem like too big of a deal so long as they're completed when the season ends. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Kraft
If you refer to that edit, the only issue with it is my exasperation about editors (in most cases IPs) who update the infobox stats without updating the pcupdate parameter. Usually I just correct the pcupdate parameter, but in this case the match was still running and although the chances that Kraft would score a goal were pretty low, I did not consider this as fact until the match was over. So there is in my opinion no issue about adding the game (except for some nitpicking on my side at the time of the edit). --Jaellee (talk) 16:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hamburg state election, 2011
Look ugly? Please, look the article Irish general election, 2011 or Swedish general election, 2010, and if the increase/dicrease arrows are ugly you can also erase the arrows, why not? Secondly, for the source of the information i used the official results from the Hamburg administration in. User:Nimora|Nimora]] (talk) 16:25, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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re: Knut
Sources should be established as early as possible in the article.

Wrong. See WP:LEAD: it's best not to muddle up the intro with unnecessary citations, when such information is already adequately sourced in the body of the article. I've removed the added citations again. María ( habla con migo ) 14:52, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I do not wish to argue semantics with you on what happens to be a readily accepted style guideline. Knut's birth-date, death-date, place of birth and residence, etc., are established facts.  They are not controversial, and even if they were, they are already cited in the body of the article.  That's it.  No citations are needed (especially not back-to-back citations from the same source) in the lead to prove these facts.  For this reason, as well as the ones I've already pointed out, the unnecessary citations were removed.  If you have anything else to say about this particular article, please add it to the talk page. María ( habla  con migo ) 02:47, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No, I'm not wrong. However, were we to argue semantics, you seem to have a few misunderstandings about the purpose of a lead section of a Featured Article -- which Knut's article happens to be.  Because it acts as an introduction to the article itself, all pertinent facts from the body of the article must be restated in the lead, but numerous citations are not needed; that's what the rest of the article is for.  To imply that a subject's birth-date/death-date need not be listed elsewhere but in the lead, with an appropriate source, is incorrect.  What is in the lead should mentioned in the body of the article, but not vice versa.  The lead should not introduce information separate than what the article says.  For this fact, heavy citing is not necessary in the lead, because what is said there is generally cited later on.  Knut's lead section already has more citations than I would generally prefer, but these are to support facts that may be more readily questioned.  Facts, figures, popularity, etc.  Not something as simple as the fact that Knut was from the Berlin Zoo -- "Knut" and "Berlin" are typically said in the same breath.  I hope this makes more sense. María ( habla  con migo ) 02:59, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Owen Hargreaves
I didn't say it wasn't noteworthy, but it's the sort of comment that can get lost in an article. What if he plays for United again? Then he'll have played more than 10 minutes since September 2008. I think the best "summing-up" we can do is to say that he has suffered repeated injuries since September 2008 and that he has made several attempted comebacks, as we already have. – PeeJay 23:32, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

DSDS 8 Voting problem
So, I try to translate what Dr. Niko Fleischhauer said at the result-show: "Only at the last showing of the numbers the number-flip (Is that OK?) happened between Marco and Zazou. All calls, that have been send until the mistake happened, will count. In the following week, another voting will be added to the result." So, all calls, that have been send after the mistake happened, are canceled.

I hope that I could help you! Bye!!

P.S: In the Top 5 show, THREE songs will be sung. – Redpower94 (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2011 (UTC) Hi, i just redid some of your edits and just wanted to leave an explanation. In regards to content i already explained it on the revision, but also in regards to layout, i think it may be possible to see that an article like Cologne has had its input and that new edits/editors should be careful to respect those previous inputs or at least the intention behind them. dont want to sound territorial, but hastily (added --ZH2010 (talk) 02:41, 17 April 2011 (UTC))

Sarah Engels
Your edit deleted the songs performed by the subject of the article in the final on 7 May 2011. Should these songs not be included in the table as in every other round? Coyets (talk) 08:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Pierre Paquette
see http://www.parl.gc.ca/parlinfo/files/Parliamentarian.aspx?Item=304b1fe9-f9e9-4b02-9c64-d72289e0422c&Language=E —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vale of Glamorgan (talk • contribs) 00:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Culture of Schwäbisch Hall
Hi, is the first sentence in the Culture section a typo, vandalism or maybe missing text? Green Cardamom (talk) 03:08, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Player transfers
I'd really like to have their pages at least semi-protected, but I don't have a lot of hope that this will happen. The last time I tried to get a player's page (which was hit by transfer speculation) semi-protected, I was told to "seek dispute resolution". --Jaellee (talk) 14:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Transfermarkt.co.uk
I do not use transfermarkt.de (the database should be the same) very often because it is owned by the Axel Springer AG, publisher of Bild, and Springer publications are generally not considered reliable. The German Wikipedia article de:Transfermarkt.de also expresses doubts about the reliability of some of the data (especially the market values of the players). I have no idea about the stats, I mostly use transfermarkt when I want to find information about footballers at the end of their career (whether they are really retired or still playing for some low-tier club). This data is sometimes obsolete or inconsistent. --Jaellee (talk) 22:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Cologne Cathedral
I removed your edit, and want to do you the courtesy of explaining why. The problem with a statement that it is the third largest cathedral is that the statement relies an a tight definition of what constitutes a "cathedral". It excludes St Peter's Basilica, for example.

So i went looking and found this List of largest church buildings in the world. Amandajm (talk) 03:36, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Does your source say that it is the third largest Medieval cathedral, by any chance? (not taking into account that it is a medieval building of which about 50% was constructed in the 19th century). Amandajm (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As a fact, its fairly meaningless. It refers to cathedral. A cathedral has a specific function within the hierarchy of the church ie. it is the seat of a bishop. So being the "third largest cathedral" means that it is only the third largest by an irrelevant technicality- that it happens to contain a bishop's throne. That means that in the count of cathedrals, as against the count of large churches, the major competitors, which are technically "basilicas" but are not "cathedrals" are removed from the count.
 * So stating that it is the "third largest cathedral" requires an explanation that St Pater's Basilica in Rome, the largest church in the world, hasn't been counted in the tally. for this reason, the point that is being made is fairly pointless.
 * "Cologne Cathedral is the third largest church in the world that contains the throne of a bishop." So what?  I can't be bothered with petty point-scoring on irrelevant matters.  The throne of the bishop is immaterial to the size of the church.  St Michael's and All Angel's is the seat of the Bishop of Wollongong and fits 150 people with standing room only and all the doors open.Amandajm (talk) 05:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I am sorry to have offended you. However, your average Wikipedia reader doesn't know that there is any difference between a "cathedral" and any other large church, and there is no point in misleading them. The ignorance goes so far as to naming a 1990s building "the Crystal Cathedral" when it certainly doesn't have a bishop. Likewise Ulm Minster is often referred to as Ulm Cathedral.  And Westminster Abbey is often mistakenly called "Westminster Cathedral" when there is, in fact, a real Westminster Cathedral.  All this is confusing.
 * I don't want to make a claim for Cologne, simply on the grounds of it being "technically" a cathedral, not simply a "big church". Your website might be correct in stating that it is/was the "third biggest cathedral" (on a technicality), but it hasn't been the world's third biggest Christian church building for quite a long time.  If you are going to eliminate St Peter's Basilica from the count on the same technicality, then the point is pointless, regardless of how reliable the website may be.  Amandajm (talk) 05:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Dude. Amandajm has a reasonable point. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, or maybe it's a matter of personal opinion; maybe you have cogent counter-arguments, maybe you don't, or maybe you would but don't have the time and resources to muster them, but there's no need to get upset or imply that he's being unreasonable. Herostratus (talk) 05:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Juve10
Hello, no welcome needed, I have been on here for a while. I see the edits to the Arturo Vidal article that you referred to and I completely agree with the reverted edits. Thanks and just letting you know. It wasn't so much and informational change but rather a formatting type change. Thanks again. Juve10 (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello, thank you very much for letting me know that. I actually had no idea that people were against it. No disrespect at all. I like the archive too rather then to just leave them all up. Thanks again. Juve10 (talk) 18:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

DSDS 9 Jury
Hi, i just heard that Barndao and Nuo are out off the panel. But i don't now who will enter the panel now. RTL will announce them soon. -- Redpower94 (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Elections in Germany
Of course I'm interested in the elections in Germany but I haven't edited any articles in this area. --Jaellee (talk) 17:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Statistics table
Hi, I must admit that I have no strong opinions for either version of the statistics table. The new one looks fine, but I personally like it better when the seasons are in the left most column, like it is with the templates (but this is nothing I'd really bother changing it). The usability seems to be okay in the new version, too (I really detested this version because all those align="center" made it very difficult to edit). --Jaellee (talk) 14:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Kevin Großkreutz
Why did you revert me? A table that small looks ridiculous and goes against MOS guidelines regarding usability. Argyle 4 Life talk  09:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Fortmatting issues. All three bullet points apply here. Argyle 4 Life  talk  16:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Statistics table
As I said, I can live with the seasons in the third columns (or in the second or in the first). In any case, it's good that you've not chosen to retire (or that you came back (whatever applies). --Jaellee (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Ministerpräsident
Oh no ... that discussion again. --Jaellee (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not a native English speaker, so I guess my opinion is not that relevant. --Jaellee (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

2011–12 FK Austria Wien season
What do you think that 2011–12 FK Austria Wien season mostly needs? (In comparison with (2010–11 FK Austria Wien season it looks quite good.) I'm not closely following the Austrian Bundesliga, but I can try to keep an eye on this and try to fill in some data. --Jaellee (talk) 19:17, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

MLS Cup 2010 & 2011
Why did you move MLS Cup 2010 and MLS Cup 2011 to 2010 MLS Cup Final and 2011 MLS Cup Final? You cite "Consistency", but it is inconsistent with every other article. Additionally it is not the name of the event provided by MLS and is furthermore misleading. I'm going to revert your edits. If you have any further questions please ask before reverting my revert. ~ Fopam (talk) 23:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I read your edit and assumed you moved the articles. The titles should be MLS Cup 2010 and MLS Cup 2011 with 2010 MLS Cup Final and 2011 MLS Cup Final redirecting to those titles. ~ Fopam (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, and I don't care if the year is in the front, well not especially. I didn't even notice that it moved. But nevertheless, sorry about attempting to (apparently the reverts were never recorded) revert your edits. Whether "Final" should be included is a discussion for a different page. Thanks for being mindful of the year. ~ Fopam (talk) 04:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Saskatchewan towns and cities
Concern over cties, town and other settlement articles
 * Your note on the Wikiproject Saskatchewan talk page....

I was checking WikiProject Cities for some German cites to work on. The trend as I look through was there was an awful amount of Saskatchewan settlements that are stub class. I am willing to help provided others are willing to participate. Kingjeff (talk) 03:41, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * My reply

I think you offer to help out is much appreciated,...for a while there were a group helping out around Regina. Another around Qu'appelle and Prince Albert, a few others here and there. It may be that these folk can be re-contacted.... There were quite a few articles which were automatically produced by robot.

At one time there were over 3,000 settlements/villages/hamlets, towns in Saskatchewan when it was the horse and buggy era. Between the 1940s and 1960s many villages/hamlets had many of their services relocate to the hearest town/city as access was enabled via highway and automobile. This meant that several villages and towns became unincorporated places (ghost towns) I think the fifteen cities  all have articles not at stub class, and several of the towns. villages and hamlets  will be challenging to write an article about unless personally from that locale with a local history book or if the book happens to be on the web site Our Roots Nos Racines. I have been more off and on wikipedia as of late, but if you email that you are still interested...(since April 2011) I can help somewhat... email me at saskgenweb AT yahoo.com to reach me.

Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  01:05, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: Help
Hi Kingjeff, in your table, beginning with Kaiserslautern you started closing the Goal template with )) instead of }}. I have this once, too, and spent some time looking for the error. It's a bit of a pest because the mistake is so hard to find with both brackets looking alike on a cursory glance. OdinFK (talk) 09:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

It is possible to enter another stadium. Basically you have the options of using the 'g' parameter with the values h,a,n,hc,ac. If you use H or A you will get the normal home or away stadium displayed. The other parameters are supposed to be for an alternate netural/home/away groung. If you use one those values you should add another line below the 'g' parameter. In this line you should enter ' gn = ' with the part behind gn being the name of the football ground template. You can find a list of these templates [|here]. You will have to create a second template for Mainz, but this should be easy. Just peek into the actual stadium template of Mainz and paste the text into a new template. Then you only have to replace the stadium name in the new template with the old stadium of Mainz and you should be done. Well, it is a bit complicated. If you are stuck, don't hesitate to ask me again. OdinFK (talk) 08:48, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Roland Linz
Hi JEFF, VASCO here,

why do you keep doing this in the player's infobox? No need for GRASSHOPPER CLUB ZURICH, it's enormous, the full name appears in the body of article anyway, and it's THE ONLY club in the world which has that denomination, at least at a professional level, so no confusion there. Also, i am Portuguese, and BOAVISTA and BRAGA suffice pretty well.

Per WP:KARSLRUHER, i have left DSV LEOBEN in full in infobox. Can we reach a compromise or not? Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the understanding. Per FORADEJOGO.net, link found in his article: 2006–07 Taça de Portugal, 4 games one goal; 2007–08 Taça de Portugal, 2 games no goals; 2008–09 Taça de Portugal 1 game no goals; Taça da Liga did not exist in 2006/07; 2007–08 Taça da Liga, 2 games no goals; 2008–09 Taça da Liga, 2 games one goal. Cheers! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:56, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

1991–92 SV Werder Bremen season
I haven't had a lot of time the in the last days and you seem to be nearly through, but I will do what I can. --Jaellee (talk) 20:29, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

German football seasons
Hey, maybe from this week starting i can do, will see what i can do to the excisting articles. Kante4 (talk) 21:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have my MSV Duisburg season article which i work on, and just help with the stats on the Real Madrid players and don´t do any season articles there. Kante4 (talk) 22:00, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

2011–12 FC Schalke 04 season
I'm afraid that I won't have much time before Wednesday. --Jaellee (talk) 22:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

2011–12 Hannover 96 Season
While more people "voted" to delete rather than redirect. Consensus is measured by arguments and policies as much, if not more than, by numbers. In particular, WP:ATD may apply. You argued that the redirect has no value for a person typing it into the search box, but that's not the only purpose for redirects they are also used by people typing the alternate name into an article. The consensus at the DRV was clearly in favor of endorsing the creation of a redirect. I would strongly urge you to let this matter go. At this point, the argument is simply not worth having again. A useless redirect is the smallest of problems. Eluchil404 (talk) 08:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

1986–87 1. FC Nuremberg season
Sorry Kingjeff, but I won't be able to help you out on that one. I'm not much of a contributor to club season articles. The time I have here I have other priorities for right now, like updating the German club articles which are 2-3 years out of date. Calistemon (talk) 12:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Invitation
Hi there JEFF, VASCO here,

thanks for the invite, but i have to politely decline it. I already spend too much time on WP, and have all my efforts directed at editing footballers and clubs (only small or "middle-class" teams, i have never edited a big club's page), have no desire to edit individual seasons.

Thanks for asking me though, keep up the good work - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:03, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

2011–12 FC Augsburg season‎
I'll see what I can do. But I'm afraid it will take some time (it's a tedious business compared to matches). --Jaellee (talk) 23:36, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

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1986–87 1. FC Nuremberg season
I've completed Augsburg's transfers for the 2011–12 season today and will have a look at the 1986–87 1. FC Nuremberg season tomorrow. --Jaellee (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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2011–12 FC Sion season
Hi, I've added the matches. I'm not really sure about the status of the league matches, so I didn't void them. --Jaellee (talk) 16:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Canada's Got Talent Feedback
Hello, looking at the article history, you have edited the Canada's Got Talent Season 1 at least once. Because of this, it would be great for you to help provide feedback on a proposal that will help improve the article as the show progresses. Please go here to see the 1st proposal and provide feedback on it. More proposals will be submitted soon and I will ask you to please provide feedback on those as well once they are submitted. Thank-you!--Dom497 (talk) 02:24, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the feedback! I do agree that creating a project would be great...but i don't know how to. Can you please help?--Dom497 (talk) 19:53, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link!!! I will look into it as soon as I get a moment without homework :) --Dom497 (talk) 20:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


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DSDS Kids
Yes, I also would have translated it that way. --Jaellee (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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USOC
It depends on how far you want to go back. thecup.us is the unofficial website now. Of course there's also usssoccer.com. mlssoccer.com also is doing a much better job nowadays of keeping track of the USOC. That's a good jumping off point. If you need more let me know. Cheers. --  Grant  .  Alpaugh  01:51, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

DSDS
I do not, no. Just a newpage patroller. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:29, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it is mentioned in the article, no? Mention of his partner, and of anti-homosexual taunts he received. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

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Football League Trophy
No, its a different competition for League One & Two clubs, League Cup is for Premier League to League Two clubs. See Jordan Rhodes and how it is dealt with on wiki and on Evans SoccerBase page. Also see 2011–12 Football League Trophy & 2011–12 Football League Cup. --Kingjamie (talk) 00:11, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

1972-73 German League Cup
Before you asked, I wasn't even aware that a German League Cup was played in 1972-73. The only reliable source I can think of is the kicker Almanach but unfortunately I don't have access to a copy of the relevant year. --Jaellee (talk) 15:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Ched Evans
Not quite sure I agree with your needless rhetoric there, with "my" table having more specific season wikilinks, not listing competitions that the player neve actualy played in, club totals etc. This style of wikitable is standard practice for football biographies, so I wouldn't vent my spleen over it personally. Mattythewhite (talk) 01:32, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with reinstating the divisions, but I fail to see how the table is improved with the removal of the specific season wikilinks and the club totals being shoved to the bottom. Would you like to reinstate those features or shall I go ahead and do it? Mattythewhite (talk) 01:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Pat Fenlon
I don't think it was your intention but you added factual errors to Pat Fenlon's article. You must have misinterpreted the reference you added as he was not relieved of his position (sacked as you stated) he was relieved at securing safety from relegation. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 04:31, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * By which teams all of them? Do you need the dates for the stats table your working on. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 04:39, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is when he was appointed as Shelbourne manger I'll send you more info in a minute & please don't unpipe the F.C. in football clubs it should generally be Piped. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 05:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is when he became Derry manager & this is when he left Derry. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 05:43, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Lastly This is when he became Republic of Ireland under-23 boss not sure when he left the job I think It was immediately after this result. Thats the dates done not sure where you can find the stats. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 06:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Shoot-outs
Hi there. The final is recorded as a draw on UEFA's website. Note also Chelsea's W6 D6 L1 record for the 07/08 season (their loss that year was to Fenerbache, not United). Best. SteveO (talk) 08:55, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Austrian clubs
Hi, I won't have time this evening, but I can work on it over the weekend. --Jaellee (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

FC Red Bull Salzburg
Hi, I´m glad that you started a page about my favourite team. Here is a link that maybe can help you. In Febrauary 2012 we started a wiki about Red Bull Salzburg. The wiki is in German but I hope you can use it anyway. FC Salzburg Wiki --Werner100359 (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * i´ve tried to insert new players but I could not handle this template. Maybe you can do that. New players are Christoph Martschinko, Thomas Dähne and Stefan Ilsanker. Martschinko and Dähne are members of the second squad (Red Bull Juniors) and Ilsanker came from SV Mattersburg. Further information you can find on the link mentioned above.--Werner100359 (talk) 02:50, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Kingjeff's articles to work on
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1998–99 FC Bayern Munich season
Yes, I included all of the reports on qualifying and knockout CL matches in my statistics. EddieV2003 (talk) 19:04, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
As to possible vandalism,, I wish I had a good answer. Does Wikipedia have people with better knowledge of such criminal matters? I but rarely poke into pages regarding criminal acts, or more notably, such sticky questions.

Wish I had more.

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Name changing articles
I saw your message on my user talk page.

This highlights the problem in Wikipedia where sometimes gang action takes place. It would be nice in WP if there were some non-voting wise ones (sage femme or wise men).

The usual practice in WP is to have "Murder of __ " articles first. Even in the case of Amanda Knox, there was the Murder of Meredith Kircher for a very long time. Only after Amanda Knox devleoped a personality cult of her own did she get an article. This should be the case for Magnotta.

Many times the "other crap exists" argument is shot down but there should be a more uniform practice in WP now that WP is a decade old. Keep in touch. Auchansa (talk) 03:52, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Roland Linz - Reply
Hi there JEFF, VASCO here,

thanks for the invitation, but i decline it. I already spent too much time on the computer, but only edit players and some small teams, have never done individual team seasons, FIFA World Cup tournaments or similar.

Happy editing, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Rangers financial problems
I don't think there is a standalone article. I was considering creating one but maybe it could just be an extension of the Ownership and finances i.e Rangers F.C. ownership and finances. Or it could just go in the History section. Adam4267 (talk) 18:08, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree There is currently a discussion on the talk page. Adam4267 (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

2012-13 season Red Bull Salzburg
I have edited all matches of RB Salzburg in the first half of the 2012/13 season (that is till December 2012). --Werner100359 (talk) 18:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

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GA review for: Deutschland sucht den Superstar (season 9)
I've done the GA review for an article you nominated, Deutschland sucht den Superstar (season 9), and had to list it as a fail I'm afraid. There are a lot of issues that I think need to be address but I'd like to offer some help in fixing them, specifically the problems with the prose and English language, to help you get it to a point where it can be re-nominated. Please don't be disheartened as I'm sure a lot of work has gone into it to get it this far and I hope we can work together to improve it. My comments can be seen here: Talk:Deutschland sucht den Superstar (season 9)/GA1. Thanks. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 14:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've started some re-writing. Bladeboy1889 (talk) 16:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

MSV
Hey, any why isn't it? The information about the club should be at the top of the page. I looked at the Real Madrid article because that's a good article in my mind. So, a valid reason should be mentioned from your side as you want to change it. Kante4 (talk) 19:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My plan was to put the squad statistics under the matches and hmm, there was no one challenging that. I don't see your points as the "better way". Kante4 (talk) 19:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I will review stuff when something happens or they are (hopefully) in the promotion race or do good in the Cup. When i got time i recap every game with a short report from my side. Still i think it looks better organized with the way it was before you edited it. 1. Info 2. League table 3. Matches 4. Stats Kante4 (talk) 19:55, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The Wien article was how about i wanted to add the statistics table. Kante4 (talk) 19:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, that's why i liked that one. For the League i used the table for the MSV and then the two teams ahead and behind as a overview and as a source i added the league table from the main article. Look at last years article. Kante4 (talk) 20:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: Wikipedia:Peer review/2011–12 Manchester United F.C. season/archive1
Will do it this week for sure. Im just heading out tonight so a little busy. Also as an aside can you do the same at Talk:Battle of Gao?Lihaas (talk) 12:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Peer review: One open nomination per editor
You opened three peer review requests on 9/10 July. Please note that under the rules of WP:PR each editor is limited to one open request at a time. Please decide which of the three is your priority, then close the other two. Brianboulton (talk) 23:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Help?
Hey Kingjeff. Any possibility of help with this article: List of European football clubs that have never been relegated? Struggling with time and other things on. If not, do you know someone else who could usefully contribute. Incidentally, Bayern Munich were relegated in 1955 according to their Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stpaul (talk • contribs) 08:36, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: Peer review man utd
Will do tomorrow, been busylast 2 days an dnot sober now. Bu ti gave some prelime comments.Lihaas (talk) 19:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I don't think I'd be able to do that because I think it would take quite a long time. But if you did manage to cut it down (and add references) then you'd be pretty close to having a GA if that's what your aiming for. Everything else seems to be pretty good. 12:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: 2012-13 Hertha BSC season assessment
My assessment was due to simply copying and pasting the talk page of previous season articles. If you think it's incorrect, then by all means change it. Previous Hertha BSC season articles have consisted of little more than just a list of matches played, making list class the logical choice there. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Hans-Jörg Butt
Hi there JEFF, AL here,

please (please) bear with me on this one: the PERSONAL LIFE section has to be the last section in a sportsperson article, because the honours are much more important as those people have an WP article only because of what they have done in their field of sport, not because they are married to X or Y.

In another item, Butt has only now begun his coaching career and he has already retired (at least for the moment), so i think it should be left in CLUB CAREER still. Also, no need to source the same sentence (as i have said in the summary) three times man, one is enough.

If you revert me in the club career stuff, please at least don't do the same in the personal stuff, let's try and reach a compromise. Attentively - --AL (talk) 22:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Tables? Bullet points? Free writing? Sorry man, do not understand. Oh you mean the STATISTICS table contains tables and bullet points and then we return to free writing with PERSONAL? What's the problem in doing so may i ask? --AL (talk) 23:13, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Then it would make no sense at all ("Butt, who is married and has two children, played for Y or Z club" or "Butt started playing with Oldenburg and has two children". I think if you don't agree with the placement of the section i don't mind it being relocated, but we could also REMOVE it, it's of ZERO interest because Butt is not married to a sportsperson of relevance (or a politician, or any person of relevance for that matter). --AL (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Have taken care of it. --AL (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

2012-13 Benfica season
I will try to keep the Primeira Liga games updated. --Threeohsix (talk) 11:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC) I have included the squad and the tranfers. Now it just games. I won't bother with the friendlies.--Threeohsix (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

2012–13 VfB Stuttgart season
I'm trying to make it look like the Premier League club articles. There was also some old information, such as "The season begins 24 August 2012, when it has already begun and "Entering the second round, when they are already in the second round. Also, why have you placed the goals on the left side for the away clubs, when the Template:Football box collapsible is actually the opposite? And what's wrong using match reports from the club's own website? Arbero (talk) 18:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, but it just confuses me sometimes, mind you, I still prefer to follow the template. Arbero (talk) 18:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

2012-13 SLB season
Didn't know. Do your magic.--Threeohsix (talk) 00:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Georgraphy of Berlin


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Talkback
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Demographics of Berlin‎
Ok for the other way. --Dэя-Бøяg 01:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * But, due to the fact that Berlin population statistics is older (feb. 2006) it could be better to merge it in this way (demo merge to bps), then move the page from bps to demo using movereq. I could place this request tag once the page will be merged. Regards and good work. --Dэя-Бøяg 01:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, I explain better: I agree to merge the page using the title Demographics of Berlin (DEMO) instead Berlin population statistics (BPS). I've used the merge from/merge to tags in the opposite way because "BPS" is older than "DEMO" and could be better, IMHO, to act in that way:


 * 1) the content of Demographics of Berlin will merge into Berlin population statistics
 * 2) I will place a move request at Berlin population statistics and the page's title will be moved (after votes, normally few days) in Demographics of Berlin.

The final result will be an article (Demographics of Berlin) with lots of infos and a longer history and the article Berlin population statistics transformed in a redirect. Regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 01:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyway, as you said, they may both exist. "DEMO" uses more prose and "BPS" is more statistical. --Dэя-Бøяg 01:31, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I removed the "merge" tags. Reading better the two articles, by now, they may both exist (IMHO). Of course a merge could be done. Greets. --Dэя-Бøяg 02:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season
What is your thoughts on 2012–13 Rot-Weiß Oberhausen season? It is the only one of User:EdvonSchleck's articles outside of the top three German leagues. Personally I don't think season articles on clubs below the 3. Liga are notable or currently necessary given the amount of work necessary to maintain them and should therefore be deleted but if your interested in maintaining it I would abstain from doing so. Keep up the good work, Calistemon (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, its all good then. Calistemon (talk) 23:18, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, will do a little later after I had some sleep. Calistemon (talk) 23:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Berlin PR
Sorry to be so slow in responding. I won't be able to review Berlin because of many other things going on in my life right now. Best of luck with it. Finetooth (talk) 11:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

2012–13 FC Karpaty Lviv season
Hi. I'm new here, but will do the review and events section if you can give me a proper example how that should look. Berkut88 (talk) 11:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Got it, will do. Thanx Berkut88 (talk) 15:26, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Mario Götze
To increase the confusion: dfb.de says 1.71 m. This would make him roughly the same size as Philipp Lahm. But I think he is a bit taller than Lahm and shorter than most players in the national team, so the 1.76 m from Dortmund's website sound believable to me (the 1.85 m from UEFA has to be be a typo and should read 1.75 m). Götze claims on his website 1.76 m and he should know his height. --Jaellee (talk) 20:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Obesity in Ukraine
Well, that is not a kind of topic I am familiar with. The major newspapers are: Fakty, Komsomol'ska Pravda, Ekspres, Sevodnya. Berkut88 (talk) 12:45, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I seriously doubt that our newspapers are covering that problem. Berkut88 (talk) 17:33, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Category:Fußball-Bundesliga players
As far as I know (and as I have edited so far) being in the squad is irrelevant. If the player has played 1 second in a Fußball-Bundesliga match, he's a Fußball-Bundesliga players otherwise he's not. --Jaellee (talk) 22:12, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Allianz Arena
Fröttmaning is part of borough 12 Schwabing-Freimann (which is not to be confused with Schwabing), so both variants are correct. Although most sources just write that the Arena is in Fröttmaning. --Jaellee (talk) 22:12, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Franco Foda
I'm not doubting the dates of Foda's career - I'm doubting the stats that you appear to have plucked out of thin air. Where are his management stats sourced to? GiantSnowman 20:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If no single website exists giving the stats, then there's little point in having the stats. Please don't re-add it. GiantSnowman 21:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Because adding 300+ references to an article for something that minor would be ridiculous. GiantSnowman 21:19, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Borussia Dortmund
Can I ask you what your problem is? Why do you insist on changing everything to suit YOUR preferences? Why? This is ridiculous. If you wanna run the Bayern Munich article that's your business. But I'm reversing every single one of your edits, and reporting you for article ownership. Italia2006 (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Djurgården
Hey there. Sure. I will be intereseted with this. Maybe we can do it together also.

2012–13 Alemannia Aachen season
Hi, sorry for being so late, but I had no nerve this week for doing more complicated edits than removal of interwiki links or something like that. My knowledge of Aachen's financial troubles is limited to the stuff I read in kicker. I will look into the topic when I have more energy. --Jaellee (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Template for 2013 Allsvenskan league table
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2012–13 SC Preußen Münster season
Not before Wednesday, I think (a lot to do at work and in the evening I'm going to watch Real vs. Dortmund). After that, I can take care of it. --Jaellee (talk) 18:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of 2012–13 FSV Frankfurt season for deletion
I will start updating the pages Thursday night after my classes. Will that be fine? MbahGondrong (talk) 15:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Hargreaves
Could you please provide examples of where you've seen the Super Cup listed in the Europe column rather than the Other column? This is extremely unusual. – PeeJay 11:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Bayern 2013-2014 Season
Re: Squad edit

I condensed the three tables into one to make it A. easier to view and B. easier to edit. No? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSpsu05 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

CFD closed
See here. Could you split the category, as you proposed? Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:33, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Dante
I don't know how reliable these sources are, but there is transfermarkt, national-football-teams.com and fussballzz.de. But I'll hunt for more sources tomorrow. --Jaellee (talk) 22:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

The guardian stats centre seems to be reliable. I've added them to the article. I don't know how reliable spox.com is. --Jaellee (talk) 20:39, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Bayern Goal Scorer List 2012-2013
What exactly is the problem here? Yes, the stats are listed in the squad appearances/goals section, but the goal scorer list clearly illustrates who the top scorer across all competitions is in addition to each individual competition.JSpsu05 (talk) 13:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:2012–13 Austrian Football Bundesliga table
Regarding this TFD, you might also want to take the near-identical templates in Republic of Ireland football templates to TFD as well. Regards, GiantSnowman 10:54, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

2013–14 FC Schalke 04 season
Yes when somebody can build Basic structure. I'm no english guy so my english is not so good... But during the season I'm on! Thanks!

2013–14 FC Red Bull Salzburg season
"Are you planning to keep any player statistics? Kingjeff (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)"

Yup, ifn't you don't mind. Off-the-air (talk) 00:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Bayern 2013-2014 Season
Your Starts section is duplicate data as you deemed my goal scorer table was last season. The data is recorded accurately in the Starts, Appearances and Goals section so there is no need to keep track of Starts separately.

Aside from the above, I still believe a goal scorer table is/would be helpful as it breaks down all the goals across each competition and accurately shows who the top goal scorer is for each competition. Granted, there are more matches this year so the table would need to be modified, but I believe it's very helpful and I'm sure others feel the same way.

Let's figure this out reasonably so we can avoid undoing each other's edits.

JSpsu05 (talk) 12:50, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:UEFA_football_clubs_2012.E2.80.9313_season
You had offered in this discussion to split this. The discussion has been closed for about 3 months and it would be nice if you could find the time to do the split. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Red Bull Salzburg season
In the second round of the Cup they won 6:5 in a penalty shoot out. How is this in the team statistic: Win or draw and in the goal statistic(1:1 after extra time or the result of the shoot out).Thanks in advance for your help--Werner100359 (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Revolutions of 1989 online Wikipedia challenge
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Bayern reserves
I think this is an important section. If the article's too big, maybe one of the several statistics tables can be removed - the minutes played or the overview feel like overkill. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 18:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * It's separate, which is why it's marked as such. I don't think the reserve team merit their own article, but a brief section (and it is brief, no stats, no results, no table) is worthwhile. This article will be around long after this season is over, and it's useful for users to track the reserve team, and who was in it, from year to year. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 19:34, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

New season article MOS
I know you wish to get the 2013–14 Bayern article to Featured status, so I wanted to make sure you saw this discussion about a new MOS based on 2002–03 Arsenal F.C. season, 2003–04 Arsenal F.C. season, and 2007–08 Arsenal F.C. season which all break down the prose by competition instead of all in one area like in the Bayern article. Whoever reviews the article for Featured status might use these articles as criteria for the layout to meet. I saw where Hope Solo's article was denied because it did not talk enough about her being a "sex symbol," so something as minor as this could be the reason it does not pass. EddieV2003 (talk) 00:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

2014–15 Bayern and BVB articles
Hi,

I'm a little bit confused. Does the transfer of a certain Polish attacker really already warrant two full-scale club season articles with lots of empty tables in them that won't be filled before June/July at the earliest? Wouldn't it be better to at least comment out these empty tables until proper information for them is available? That would also help to find the essential information waaaaay quicker... Just my €0,02, Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 17:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

2014–15 Bayern, Dortmund and Bayer Leverkusen seasons WP:USERFYed
Just to give you a heads-up, said articles have been WP:USERFYed per Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. Seemed to be the more sensible solution than plainly deleting them. Perhaps restoration after each club has mathematically secured its participation in the 2014–15 Bundesliga season might be the best (and earliest) point of moving the articles back into mainspace. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 14:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)



RE: Lucien Favre
Well, I couldn't find any decent sources that stated he was Neuchâtel Xamax's head coach, so I guess he never was. --MrEskola (talk) 11:10, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Thanks for reviewing 2014 Ottawa Fury FC season, Kingjeff.

Unfortunately Walter Görlitz has just gone over this page again and unreviewed it. Their note is:

"This is a good season article. I don't know if you want to open the 'Ottawa Fury'/'Ottawa Fury FC' debate here, but I would add a mention that 'a team by a similar name played in ...'. I would also put the results summaries above league tables."

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Lauridromia and Lauridromia intermedia
You have just placed tags on the articles Lauridromia and Lauridromia intermedia. Both are new articles just created by myself. Please could you explain what you mean. Both seem well-referenced to me and I am unsure what multiple issues the former may have. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:03, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As I understand the position, every species or genus article meets notability criteria. As to Lauridromia intermedia, I consider it very well cited and think it is completely inappropriate to tag it as insufficiently referenced. The description comes from a single reliable source which is cited at the end of the paragraph. What facts in the article do you consider unsourced? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I have now added an additional reference to Lauridromia intermedia and additional information and a reference to Lauridromia, and have removed both tags. In my view, the species article was sufficiently well referenced and did not need to be disfigured by adding a tag. With regard to the genus article, its purpose was to prevent the species article being an orphan and to provide a link between it and the family article, quite apart from the fact that every genus should ideally have its own article. There are thousands of such stub articles in the organism parts of Wikipedia, and here's an example. Finding information on genera is more difficult than finding it on individual species and I think it is misguided to go around tagging genera articles that have a single source for their information. If there was no source, that would be a different matter. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:18, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

2013/14 Red Bull Salzburg season
"Please stop editing this article or at least ask for help. In the kindest words possible, you have absolutely no idea what you're doing. You've made this article a trainwreck. Seek help from other editors before continuing. Italia2006 (talk) 05:46, 21 February 2014 (UTC)" That is what I have received today, can you please tell me what is wrong with my edits? --Werner100359 (talk) 17:36, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

re: 2013–14 FC Schalke 04 season
It is not all of the stats section I oppose but rather the way all of the results are displayed in a table. We should definately use footballbox collabsible if you compare to all other season articles. I can agrre with the language part however and we should never say to an other editor to stop editing, not at all. But we should have footballboxes and I am about to make a league table template to have league table on the article (not sure if it is there now). QED 237  (talk)  15:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I have always been opposed to the use of footballbox collapsible in club season articles. The wikitable format, such as that used in Manchester United season articles, is far more efficient at getting across the relevant data. Furthermore, I believe User:Struway2 has become aware of a Wikipedia policy that says information should not be hidden in collapsible boxes if it is not present elsewhere in the article. – PeeJay 11:16, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's in the Manual of Style: see MOS:COLLAPSE. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

FC Red Bull Salzburg season
Okay, my decision is to stop editing the Salzburg season. I have enough do to with the FC Salzburg Wiki. So long! --Werner100359 (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Huub Stevens
I have replied to you here: User talk:Thakaran I mention this as you just reverted my addtion of new references citing exact dates. Please stop editwaring, I expect you to undo the reversion yourself. Thank you Thakaran 02:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

RE: 2014 Los Angeles Galaxy season
Man, the best source for sure is the LA Galaxy official site, and the MLS official site. Other news sites are good sources too. Guilherme (talk) 17:46, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

But the LA Galaxy and the MLS site are a external source. Yes match reports has to be by a official site. Guilherme (talk) 19:39, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I do not think it needed an external source. We already have are good sources. Guilherme (talk) 15:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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2013–14 FC Bayern Munich season
With all due respect, you don't need external sources since Wikipedia provided already about the page Bundesliga Records (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga_records).

Also, the data that I posted was based on actual statistics that has been posted in the same page shared by other editors including you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stricer7 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.. I'm reading it right now.. but I rather finished reading it on weekends.. I have still work to do.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stricer7 (talk • contribs) 04:16, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Khedira
Hey, just saw your edits. Not sure if i like them but whatever. Why is the DFB Ligapokal not included in "other" but the supercopa is? Seems a bit odd to have a field for where just one single match was played and never anything else will be added. I say let's include that in the "other" section with a note. Kante4 (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * But the Ligapokal is not a big competition. I would even put it behind or at the same position as the supercopa in the order of importance, as it's basically the same. Kante4 (talk) 21:51, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but was it really "THAT" official here in germany? Like i said, i say the ligapokal and Supercopa de Espana are the same. Winners of league/cup play each other. And have an extra column for ONE appearance seems a bit odd. Kante4 (talk) 22:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That's what the problem is. I just think that it was never an official competition but more of a friendly (just on TV here), like you said. So it should be in the "other" column i say. Or the supercopa should have it's own column, but at the end of the day you would have 10 columns or so. Or maybe in the league cup one aswell. Kante4 (talk) 23:03, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing against that, but why is there no consistency and having the supercopa in the same column and calling it League Cup? Not that it matters much but still confusing... Kante4 (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I just don't see a "need" for a column when the cup comprises just one game. England and France have a whole cup called the "league cup" where it is ok to have it's own column. Kante4 (talk) 23:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Dude, no need to get silly. Was trying to raise a point but your reply now is just bs. See no reason to continue now... Kante4 (talk) 23:44, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

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Van Gaal
Please can you tell me exactly what policy is being broken by sourcing Van Gaal's speech on taking over at Manchester United from the team's website? The BBC source that you replaced it with does not have the entire speech "verbatim", instead it narrates it in parts. I'm pretty sure that any quotes highlighted by Wikipedia should be sourced verbatim. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 07:15, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: 2014–15 Bundesliga (head coach vs. manager)
The reason I assumed it was British vs American English thing is this: In British English the position is universally referred to as "manager" (see sources listed in 2013–14 Premier League for some recent examples in the British Press), whereas comparable positions in American sports (American football, basketball, baseball, and hockey) are referred to as "head coach" in American English. Sir Sputnik (talk) 05:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Reply about Suarez
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Alexander Baumjohann
Hi, what I've found so far is here it says that he played 13 matches and scored 4 goals in the 2006–07 season for Schalke 04, but I will see if can find something for the earlier seasons as well. --Jaellee (talk) 06:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

2014-15 FC Bayern Season
Thanks, for re-reverting the mistakenly done revert from my side. 7Sidz (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Mario Götze
Hi, spox.com says it was on 17 October 2009 against Sandhausen: But you may be correct, kicker says it was Fabian, not Mario Götze. Usually kicker is more reliable. --Jaellee (talk) 06:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * spox.com explicitly links to Mario Götze, but fussballdaten.de and worldfootball.net also claim it was Fabian Götze. So it's most probably an error in spox.com's database. --Jaellee (talk) 19:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Daniel Van Buyten
Hi, my apologies for reverting the whole edit. I agree the rest was okay, but wanted to see that sentence different, and if possible referenced as well - will be more cautious in the future. Regards, Kareldorado (talk) 09:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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Updates to MLS tables before all matches
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Multi-article AfDs
Hey, KJ, I wanted to give you head's up. I just reviewed this AfD: Articles for deletion/2013 BYU Cougars men's soccer team. Multi-article AfDs generally only work when the subjects are closely related and it is a virtually certainty that all of the articles will be deleted. Here you have combined college and minor league pro team seasons, which is a mixed bag, and different standards may apply with divergent discussions. Let me know what you're doing, because I am generally supportive of deleting non-notable minor league sports season articles. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:56, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * KJ, it looks like all of the articles other than BYU Cougars season article are from the fourth-tier North American league. I suggest you peal those off and create a separate AfD for them.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 07:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Bayern Munchen CL
Hi, I saw you made this edit to Template:2014–15 UEFA Champions League Group E (saying CSKA can pass) and then you were reverted by an other user and as I were the one insterting color in first place I thought I should explain. In the table CSKA is 8points behind Bayern and ManCity is 7 points behind. For CSKA to pass they need to win all of their matches and then ManCity can take maximum 6 points (as they meet and lose to CSKA) and then they can not pass Bayern. In fact there is no way both City and CSKA can pass Bayern so they are assured of at least third place. QED237&#160;(talk) 10:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Re: Coaching record updates
Forgive me, I have a habit of not wanting to confuse the reader when it comes to updating dates. Arbero (talk) 18:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Please comment
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Peter Vollmann
Sorry, I have no additional data about Peter Vollmann. The meager statistics I have available are mostly about FC Bayern Munich players. --Jaellee (talk) 20:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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Mehdi Benatia and Julian Green
Hi, as far as I know, Julian Green is a German and US American citizen. I don't think you could play for German youth teams without German passport. Mehdi Benatia also played for French and Moroccan youth teams and here is a source that explicitly says he has both citizenships. --Jaellee (talk) 16:36, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Julian Green
How is mlssoccer.com not a reliable source. The article came out a day after the first one so it is a more recent report. Also the ESPN FC article even mentions that Green has not been told anything by Hamburg. Meanwhile the mls article states that they got confirmation from his manager that he is still with the Senior team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.71.91.220 (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I made an edit which I think does justice to both sources (FWIW, MLSsoccer is pretty reliable, even if it is operated by the league). And the danger with the ESPN FC article is that it's translating and paraphrasing a German-language article, and playing with the reserve/youth side isn't necessarily a demotion. Mosmof (talk) 05:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Heinz Lindner
Hey over there. What have you done with this article? You should only add transfers to player's articles when they have been officially confirmed. The transfer of Heinz Lindner to Cordoba fall through and you left the page in mess. Really not funny. DrunkenGerman (talk) 17:05, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, I don't fully understand your message. For me a suspension means that the contract is still valid (players still get paid) but the players are not allowed (or required) to train and to play anymore. So I re-added that Boateng's current club is Schalke. Do you think he's a free agent now? --Jaellee (talk) 17:10, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Bastian Schweinsteiger
According to this, today's match against Mainz was his 500th match. I checked his statistics table with kicker and found an error in the Champions League stats and two of his DFB-Pokal matches were actually with Bayern Munich II, so it adds all up. --Jaellee (talk) 19:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, I was wondering a bit last week when I updated Schweinsteiger's stats that nobody commented on his 500th match but this matchday's events explain it. I think that Bayern should be the most reliable source in this case, but I would have considered the BBC also a very reliable source. That makes referencing really difficult. --Jaellee (talk) 19:17, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Schweinsteiger's fee
Hi. I have readded the fee with this source. There's nothing in the report that says the fee is speculative, and it is what other editors have added to other pages that display the fee also. Cheers. -- Gra phi  um  16:44, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok -- Gra phi  um  16:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah...it appears the media in Germany and England are reporting the same figure within each country. -- Gra phi  um  17:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * So do you want to keep it as undisclosed fee or not? -- Gra phi  um  17:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok sure. -- Gra phi  um  17:37, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Nicky Adler
I can confirm 2 matches and 3 goals for MSV Duisburg II  but no more. I've also found no stats except on transfermarkt which we cannot use. --Jaellee (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

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Career stats appearance
Hi there, I strongly disagree with having the "–" we use instead of "0"s in career stats tables span over multiple stints like here. I find it makes a mess of the table, it's disorientating to read and I think we should keep the "totals" row for each stint intact. More importantly though, I seriously doubt this table layout is consensual, it probably would have to be discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. For now, I have changed Felix Kroos' table to reinstate "total" rows. Regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I have since made the same change to a few other articles. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't understand how your response relates to my message. I do agree that dashes look (and read!) better than a series of nils except for the cases mentioned above. I wish you would take up my suggestion of trying to achieve consensus instead of re-creating non-standard table layouts like here. Regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 02:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Amusing for you to claim I "don't understand 'the problem'". :-)
 * I guess we can disagree on whether totals rows are needed for single-season stints. I find tables easier to read and career totals easier to calculate with them.
 * "I'm simply telling you that dashes, regardless of how you include them, is better than putting zeros in those columns." See this. It's not primarily a matter of personal opinion, I'm trying to find out about established practises here on Wikipedia and if there aren't any existing ones they should be established. While this certainly reads far better than this abomination, the fact of the matter is that most footballer stats tables don't have the appearance you prefer so before you go about changing them all to match your personal preference, you should attempt to establish a consensus (as I mentioned previously). Personally, I don't think dashes make sense in totals rows since they represent sums and a sum is never going to be "–" but a number, for example "0". Robby.is.on (talk) 05:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Stating "such and such is better than such and such" is pretty pointless when no arguments are given. That's what I meant to point out by linking to that Lebowski quote. I stand by the word "abomination" with regards to the specified revision of the Felix Kroos article. I respect much of the work you're contributing here. In fact, I have noticed your edits many times on articles I frequent, and appreciated most of them. I just strongly disagree with you on a few particular aspects of table layout. Regarding working towards consensus: again, the onus usually lies on whoever wants to deviate from common practise. And maybe you'd like to explain what's respectful about reverting other people's changes without engaging in a proper discussion. Robby.is.on (talk) 07:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Thomas Schaaf
Please, can we reach a compromise in the player/manager's article? I will now present my arguments: 1 - we don't need to double the reference (in this case the Deutsche Welle article) in every part of the sentence, I think just once (at the end of the sentence) would be 100% enough, but out of respect for your work twice is still a decent approach, but why three times; 2 - I also replaced the (doubled) title of ref with DW because the other ("Hannover appoint Thomas Schaaf as head coach") is just too long; 3 - storyline again: no need to say "points" again, it's implied, and I think "collecting" is more accurate in English than "taking", but I'll ask around, if "taking" is better I'll re-revert, a promise. Additionally, we can say "took over" instead of "takes over" because he has already been appointed, and we must avoid writing in present tense in an encyclopedia as much as possible.

If you do choose me to revert again in spite of this message trying to (reach a) compromise, please do so only in points #1 and #2, please leave #3 (wording) be. Happy 2016, from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, I understand that (your edit summary). Can I still reinstate the wording, with the proper reference title? --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

What is wrong with my wording? Kingjeff (talk) 19:51, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I thought I had explained myself correctly in the original message, please re-read item #3 (needless repetition of "points", "takes over" instead of "took over". I have already asked a native English speaker which is better, "collecting" or "taking", waiting for his reply), can't we reach a compromise? I'll leave #1 and #2 remain the way you have chosen, but I'd like to contribute to #3 too please. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

OK, and what about after 4 February 2016 (date of his official presentation/first training), can I change it back to past tense or you'll revert me again? Now, can I remove the repetition of "points" please? The remaining 99,999999999% stays your way. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:32, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

But that should still be future tense until it has happened. Kingjeff (talk) 20:37, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, I understand. The other user has just replied, he said "took X points" is better, your choice also, sorry for reverting of course. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:06, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Again, I feel you misunderstood me. I think (I could be wrong though, but User:Struway2 also conveyed it to me because I made that additional question to him) if the reference only appears in the end of this or that sentence but ALL parts of that sentence appear in the source that should be 100% enough. But don't worry, Struway said my approach is good but yours is better, don't worry i'll leave it be. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:13, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

TSV 1860 München versus TSV 1860 Munich
I'm a bit surprised about your move of TSV 1860 München without any attemtpt to form any consensus, rename the links in the templates or initiating the process of having all the categories moved as well. Very unusual for an experienced editor like yourself. I have moved it back, if you think the article should be at another title please initiate the Requested move process and make sure you do the hard yards as well, including template links and categories. Just to make it clear, I have no preference for the article name, either suits me, but consensus should be formed first before moving a high profile football article with a long-standing name. Regards, Calistemon (talk) 04:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it's confusing, both names work, I said it's potentially controversial. Consensus should be obtained and the case of Inter Milan shows how controversial the issue of native name versus English name has become (see Talk:Inter Milan). But regardless of what name is selected all associated categories should use the same and the template links should be updated. Calistemon (talk) 05:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I added to the discussion, lets go from there but, if you really want, just raise a Requested move on the articles talk page at the same time, no objection from my side to that. Calistemon (talk) 06:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have started the proper process at the articles talk page and also included the reserve teams article in the request, please present your argument there. Calistemon (talk) 08:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Here is an interesting little fact I noticed when I went locking for other articles affected: It was you who created 2012–13 TSV 1860 München season and 2013–14 TSV 1860 München season, not 2012–13 TSV 1860 Munich season and 2013–14 TSV 1860 Munich season. Calistemon (talk) 15:20, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The bit I don't understand is why, if you feel so strongly about the current name being incorrect you did not request it to be moved back than and instead created them under, in your view, incorrect name. And I don't understand why you didn't move these articles too when you moved the main article a few days ago. Not much there makes any sense to me, it lacks consistency. But to move on from there, the end result of the requested move looks like a good consensus on the article name. All related articles and categories can than be brought in line from there, and there is quite a few. Calistemon (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

2015–16 Dynamo Dresden season
I'll try, but cannot promise anything in the next few days. --Jaellee (talk) 21:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Canada's Got Talent
Template:Canada's Got Talent has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Bearcat (talk) 15:57, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

An edit war
Wikipedia:Edit warring: "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions" That's exactly what happened on the page. That you and I were discussing does not make it not an edit war. You couldn't read the edit notice on my talk page saying keep the discussion all in one place (after you deleted the notice here) so I removed it. The first removal, with an explanation, was prevented due to an edit conflict. The second was simply reverted. Sorry you have no clue what constitutes an edit war. For the record, you're at three reverts on that article as well. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I'm only at two. You still haven't explained why You need that template on for a month before removal. Kingjeff (talk) 07:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You're likely to get an answer if you either use talkback, as requested on my talk page, or ping.
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 * I'm not sure how you're counting, but the first removal was clear. The rest are reverts. All count toward an edit war. You're at three. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 18:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I only answered here because he insisted on doing so. Otherwise, he would have got it on his own talk page. The first one wasn't a revert. It was only a simple change in table. "Reverting means reversing a prior edit or undoing the effects of one or more edits, which typically results in the article being restored to a version that existed sometime previously." If I'm wrong, and this format was previously used, please show when it was previously used. Kingjeff (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I am he. See the user page.
 * WP:3RR states: "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." In the first edit linked above, you undid the effects of an earlier edits. This constitutes a revert. It means you made three reverts. You did not step over that line, but you walked up to it. Since I was done with reverting, it was unlikely to go past it.
 * On a separate note, my primary concern, as stated when I placed the three edits warning here, was that someone might come along and modify the info after your final edit. Not likely to happen, but possible. With both of us watching the article, this is highly unlikely. If he's done internationally, you could probably remove the update template from that section as well. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 23:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
 * "Reverting means reversing a prior edit or undoing the effects of one or more edits, which typically results in the article being restored to a version that existed sometime previously." In the first edit, I replaced one table with another table. It was never restored to previous version. It never reversed any action. Kingjeff (talk) 01:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You're quoting from an essay. I'm quoting from a policy. The essay is wrong. I have been blocked for breaking 3RR based on the policy so I know first-hand how it's interpreted, but if you doubt, feel free to ask which interpretation is correct on the policy's talk page. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 01:47, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * If you take a look at the comments I made during the revert, I don't see how anybody can say that it was edit warring. There certainly wasn't any edit warring on my part. You re-added the template after I took it out as part of my edit. My edit before your first revert can't be considered a revert. I didn't revert to a previous version of the page. The first revert was when you put the template in. I revert thinking you were in error. You then revert my revert. I revert and question why you wanted the template in. The player clearly stated that he is retired. There is simply no need for that template to be there until he comes out of retirement. Kingjeff (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not about the comments left (the policy makes that clear). By definition, it was an edit war on your part and you reached three reverts. Again, by definition, the edit that undid other editors' actions, constitutes a revert. You don't have to accept that, but you should be aware that this is a policy and can be applied in an edit warring discussion. Even if you discount your earliest action, two reverts, even with edit summaries, would be considered by many editors, and especially admins, as an edit war. Whether there is a need for something, which is clearly an opinion, is not a ground for an edit war. That is also made clear on the policy page. You made three reverts. I made two. In the end, the only good thing that came out of this is that de Guzman retired, and neither of us were blocked for edit warring. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 17:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I couldn't have had three reverts. Replacing one table with another table can't be considered a revert. I was only at two reverts. You have failed to show me how replacing one table with another table was a revert. As far as your claim of edit warring, if everyone took edit warring the way you do, nobody would ever assume good faith.  My comments were clearly made in good faith. It's also clear, at least on my part, I won't speak for any other editor on this, that you didn't want to assume good faith. If you had, you still wouldn't be accusing me of edit warring. You stated above "you couldn't read the edit notice on my talk page saying keep the discussion all in one place". Well, I have a history of not keeping discussions on user talk pages in one place. You quoted the edit warring policy. Here, I assumed good faith on your part. He had literally just retired a day or two before. You may or may not have heard about his retirement. As far as I was concerned at the time, this may have only be a simple error on your part. Here, you stated "he's retired and in a month feel free to remove it." So, at this point, it is clear that it wasn't a simple error. So, in the final revert, I questioned why we needed the template. So, at this point, It couldn't have been possible for me to "disagree" like the edit warring policy states in it's definition. Why? Because, if I had only asked the question at this point. I couldn't have agreed or disagreed until I had the answer. It's clear that you accused me of edit warring. I said I didn't. You said I was at three reverts. I said I was at two. This is what a disagreement is. I don't think we will agree on either. So, I see no need for either of us to continue this discussion. Kingjeff (talk) 18:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You could have three reverts and you did. When you removed the template, that constituted a revert. I will no longer explain this to you and will instead ask you to go to the talk page of the policy for clarification. If you're unwilling to accept the facts as stated I hope you're blocked for this activity in the furture so that you can do a face-palm at that time. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I didn't do anything wrong. Part of this debate was debating between two and three reverts, not three and four. I am going to end this conversation with this. I am suggesting that you in the future assume good faith more often with other and that you should be more selective when accusing someone of edit warring. Kingjeff (talk) 19:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Userpage
Do you want me to salt your userpage? That way you will never be able to reinstate it again to have it deleted yet again? Agathoclea (talk) 13:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)