User talk:Kingllud

February 2010
Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Camelot. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to King Arthur. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I am new to wikipedia can you tell me or help me put an article on the discovery of the real Camelot please. I wrote this myself as I am one of the finders. I do not intend to add pictures however I would like to give the google earth co-ordinates so others can check this out for themselves. thank you I am not even sure if I have done this right as I said I am new.


 * Do you have any reliable sources for such an article? Something that you did not write would work better, self-published sources are generally not accepted.  Also, please sign your posts with four tidles ( ~ ).  Ian.thomson (talk) 01:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Ian much obliged, however prof Wendy Davies only wrote a very small book about the Llandaff charters which also features Genelogies of the numerous British Kings. She also did not take into account the historical dating of the those Kings which would of proved to have been fifth century Kings not sixth century Kings as she claims. The complete translated record of the Llandaff Charters was published by Alan Wilson and Baram Blacket in 1980 ISBN=0-86285-0029 Their book contains photographs substanciating the contents of the Llandaff Charters. And Llandaff was one of the first churches to be built in Britain see Nennius and Gildas. The other church St. Peters Super Mortem is another of the first century churches that were built in Britain and is now owned by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett. I think in fairness Alan Wilsons book Arthur and the Charters of the Kings should be inserted as a reference because the information contained is correct whereas prof wendy davies is incorrect. Most researchers read modern writings not the old documents that were written when history was being made Wendy Davies theories are speculation only and historically incorrect. thank you (Kingllud (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)) alan hassell

Thank you Ian much obliged, however prof Wendy Davies only wrote a very small book about the Llandaff charters which also features Genelogies of the numerous British Kings. She also did not take into account the historical dating of the those Kings which would of proved to have been fifth century Kings not sixth century Kings as she claims. The complete translated record of the Llandaff Charters was published by Alan Wilson and Baram Blacket in 1980 ISBN=0-86285-0029 Their book contains photographs substanciating the contents of the Llandaff Charters. And Llandaff was one of the first churches to be built in Britain see Nennius and Gildas. The other church St. Peters Super Mortem is another of the first century churches that were built in Britain and is now owned by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett. I think in fairness Alan Wilsons book Arthur and the Charters of the Kings should be inserted as a reference because the information contained is correct whereas prof wendy davies is incorrect. Most researchers read modern writings not the old documents that were written when history was being made Wendy Davies theories are speculation only and historically incorrect. thank you (Kingllud (talk) 23:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)) alan hassell

Dear Ian, thank you for your reply, this is a tricky subject I have spent over 25 years researching the King Arthur legend together with Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett who have written 8 books on dark age britain which is clouded in mystery because of a comet strike that hit Britain in AD 562 and was comfirmed by a Professor Clubes of Cardiff University. It was also recorded in the chronicles of the Kings in Britain too. here is an extract from that same book. At this time a star of amazing size appeared. It had one beam, and on the head of the beam was a ball of fire resembling a dragon ; and from the jaws of the dragon two beams ascended, the one towards the extremity of France, and the other towards Ireland, subdividing itself into seven small beams. 1 Uther and all around him, alarmed by such an appearance, enquired of the learned men what it might portend. Merddyn bursting into tear.-, exclaimed, ' Sons of Britain, ye have suffered an irrecoverable loss, ye are widowed of Emrys the Great. But still ye have a king. Haste thou therefore, Uther, and engage the enemv for the whole island shall be thine. For it is * thou, Uther,. * who art signified by this star with the head of a dragon. By the beam pointing over France is denoted a son of thine, who shall be great in wealth, and extensive in sway, and by that directed towards Ireland, a daughter, whose sons and grandsons shall successively govern the whole.' 2 Thus encouraged, Uther, though he thought it a risque, engaged the enemy, and after a battle, long doubtful, at length was victorious, and drove Pasgen and Gillainori to their ships with great slaughter. After the victory, Uther returned to Winchester to inter his brother. Thither also came all the archbishops, 3 "bishops" and abbots, 4 " and laymen of rank," 5 of the island ; and Emrys was buried within the circle of the Heroes, and near the monastery of Ambri. Those who were present had been invited by Uther, and by their common consent he was crowned king, the crown of sovereignty being put on his head. Uther recollecting the words of Merddyn, when the ceremony was over, commanded two dragons of gold, and of exquisite workmanship, to be made, in form similar to that which he had seen on the head of the comet's beam of light. One of these he deposited in the principal church at Winchester, the other he made his standard to be carried before his army. From l this circumstance he was thenceforward called Uther Pendragon, (Ufher of the dragon's head.) Years ago I visited Caermeade in Wales and took pictures of what was a ditch full of fragmented broken dressed marble of the remains of what used to be a fabulous building. Sir Thomas Mallory described Camelot to have been made with white marble. When this comet hit it did so with the force of 100 atomic bombs hence the devastation to the building and remains. Also the start of the Dark Age. As for the history well Alan Wilson elaborates further into the Boverton Palace as it was called. enclosed further information. More information about the Camelot site By Alan Hassell and Alan Wilson and Baram Blacket.

1.	The buried Palace was always known to the people of South East Wales as the walls stick up through the turf. The site is called Caer Meade and it lies one mile North West of the town centre of Llanilltydfawr – Lantwit Major, in South East Wales. 2.	The decision to make a careful excavation was taken in 1883 when several groups across South Wales were becoming active. 3.	The Palace buildings cover approx 2 ½ acres. The entire complex inside the perimeter walls covers eight acres, so it is a huge historical site. 4.	There were 32 rooms known to have existed and could be more. The building had been badly burned when it was destroyed. One room is 61 feet by 51 feet, and its walls are still over nine feet. Another room is 39 feet by 27 feet, there are mosaics on the floors and murals on the walls. 5.	The walls stand 9 feet to 11 feet high under the ground. The great palace was built around AD 150 by King Owen the son of King Cyllin (known as St Sillian of St Sillian's church) according to the remarkably accurate South East Wales Histories. It was later rebuilt or added to by King Meyrig (Meurig-Maurice) the son of Meirchion, and situated near Boverton which is in the parish of Lantwit Major. Quote- “He built a Palace at a place called Boverton which has ever since been called one of the chief Royal residences of the country.” 6.	Some rooms have quality mosaics on the floors, and murals painted on the walls are of very high quality. 7.	A number of skeletons of human and horses were found in the 39 feet by 27 feet room were 27 human skeletons and the bones of three horses. 8.	As the dig proceeded the London Government became alarmed, and they send “men in suits” – Welsh version of Government officials, to S.E. Wales and ordered the digging to stop. The Palace was carefully recovered with earth and turfed over. Clearly the London Government of the “united”? Kingdom did not want any evidence of any Welsh Kings. 9.	The Story that the London Government put about was that the Palace had been destroyed in AD 293, when King Carawn was assassinated by Alectus – Eleath. King Carawn was also known as the Emperor Carausius, who ruled the western on third of the Roman Empire jointly with Diocletian and Maximinian. King Carawn was known as Carausius the Admiral, and he ruled Britain and Gaul from around AD 276 to 283. He had large fleets of ships and the Romans were kept out of Britain. Alectus is remembered from Maes Aleg – the Fields of Alectus now called Bassalleg between Cardiff and Newport. All the locals knew the story. He was persuaded by the Romans to murder King Carawn, and the Romans took advantage of thick fog to elude the British fleets and they succeeded in putting some soldiers ashore. Alectus was then murdered himself, and soon Casnar Wledig was ruling as King, known to the Romans as Chrysanthus the Legate.

10 There is no evidence to prove the great Palace was destroyed when King Carawn or Crair, known as Carausius was attacked. The BBC2 Time Watch programme came up with “Britain’s No.1 expert on Carausius”, who stated that there was zero evidence of Carausius in Britain. This English Gentleman failed to know that Carausius who was also King Carawn the Admiral, the hereditary British King. He tried to make out he was non-existent. He did not even know that the gravestone of King Carawn was found at Pen Machno and that it is in Carmarthen Museum. What amazing cheek, and BBC2 were very very unhappy when we wrote to them to tell them about it, and they said that, “no one else had complained?

10.	In 1938, some 70 years ago, a secretive trial dig was made by archaeologists form Aberystwyth University, in North Wales- the enemies- and not from the much larger local Cardiff and Swansea Universities. They found six more skeletons and later had the bright idea of Carbon dating the relics from the site. 11.	The dates of the Radio Carbon 14 tests came out around the mid Sixth Century and that means AD 562 when all of Britain and much of Ireland was devastated by debris from a Comet. This is of immense importance as you also have noted. Anyone from North Wales would not want a King identified in South Wales, nor would they want the Royal Palace Identified. 12.	This means that this huge Royal Palace was still standing and in use during the reign of King Arthur II. The immediate king of this era were King Theodosius (Taithfallt) died around AD 485, then his son King Theoderic (Tewdrig) died AD 508, then his son King Maurice (Meurig) who died at a great age circa AD 570, and then his son Arthur II (Arthmael-Iron Bear) who was born AD 503 and died in 579. 13.	This means there was a great Royal Palace in South East Wales during the 6th century and in use during the reign of King Arthur II. A puntative “Camelot” and this is magnificent solid evidence of this fact. The English do not like the FACT that the British Kings continued in Britain right through the phantom “Roman Period” that has been invented by English Archaeologists. So they need to obliterate King Carawn as well as all other Kings. 14.	The academic line is that the six skeletons found in 1938 were buried at a much later date than when the Palace was destroyed. This is an attempt to preserve the date of AD 293 and it is BULL and we know it and you do too. 15.	The Academic line is that it was a “Roman Villa” and the Khumric Histories proclaim that it was a Royal Palace built by King Owen. Everything depends on when it was destroyed and the Comet Catastrophe of AD 562 looks like the favourite date. 16.	It must also be remembered that when the first dig took place and 1888 and in 1938 no archaeologists would of been aware of the Comet Strike or the damage that had caused the destruction of The Royal Palace.

YOU CAN LOCATE THE SITE ON Google Earth 51 25 08 89 N and 3 29 55 47 W

Unfortunately anyone can put up anything even material that is wrong historically on Wikipedia we are trying to correct that by putting up the real history so others can learn the truth. Alan Wilsons site contains a great deal of Dark age material but you deleted the links. That site contains more informaion of King Arthur and other kings of Ancient Britain. There were two Arthurs not one, one faught the romans the other Arthur II faught the Saxons. No one lives to be 200 years. We need to get the truth out there. You might think this is a load of rubbish, links are an important part of any research and this is proof that such an event took place except the dates are out by a few years which we can explain. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040204000254.htm This is ground breaking news I have not given you my article for consideration yet but I am prepared to even let you see it for your own perusal first. Maybe you could even edit it in a way which would obey all your complicated rules too. I thank you for you time and patience on this but accuracy of ancient british history is important to us and everyoone. thank you (Kingllud (talk) 12:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)) alan


 * I recommend reading the no original research and notability guidelines. We do not accept original research, and articles about a particular theory can only be made if the theory has received outside notice.  Wikipedia is not about what is "right" or "wrong," it is a summary of notable sources.  If someone puts up something that is clearly wrong as far as mainstream scholarship can show, then they will get in trouble for it.  We do not use primary sources to put forth any ideas except for what is only in that primary source.  For example, that excerpt from that Chronicle of British Kings would only be used to show that that particular text mentions "a star of amazing size", it could not be used to conclude anything such as a loss of information due to a comet strike, unless we have some reliable source which says that's what that means (and even then we have to say "according to this author of this book that text could mean this").  Even though we have a source that says the comet is responsible for a loss of information, we cannot connect it to Camelot disappearing, we need another source to do that (and if the source isn't peer-reviewed or supported by mainstream scholarship, then it may be removed under WP:UNDUE). I don't think it's a load of rubbish (I tend not to think in binary, borderline Manichaean, true/false dichotomies), I just don't think that it would work at present as an article under the site's guidelines (I didn't make those guidelines, I'm just trying to help you stay within them).  Ian.thomson (talk) 18:52, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Ian much obliged, however prof Wendy Davies only wrote a very small book about the Llandaff charters which also features Genelogies of the numerous British Kings. She also did not take into account the historical dating of the those Kings which would of proved to have been fifth century Kings not sixth century Kings as she claims. The complete translated record of the Llandaff Charters was published by Alan Wilson and Baram Blacket in 1980 ISBN=0-86285-0029 Their book contains photographs substanciating the contents of the Llandaff Charters. And Llandaff was one of the first churches to be built in Britain see Nennius and Gildas. The other church St. Peters Super Mortem is another of the first century churches that were built in Britain and is now owned by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett. I think in fairness Alan Wilsons book Arthur and the Charters of the Kings should be inserted as a reference because the information contained is correct whereas prof wendy davies is incorrect. Most researchers read modern writings not the old documents that were written when history was being made Wendy Davies theories are speculation only and historically incorrect. thank you (Kingllud (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)) alan hassell