User talk:KiralaKelle

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A tag has been placed on your user page, User:KiralaKelle, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person, and which is a violation of our policies regarding acceptable use of user pages: user pages are intended for active editors of Wikipedia to communicate with one another as part of the process of creating encyclopedic content, and should not be mistaken for free webhosting resources. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, our FAQ for businesses.

If you can indicate why the page is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the page in question and leave a note on this page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Syrthiss (talk) 13:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure how this Wikipedia runs (the tutorials are dense) and I am trying to work it out. Perhaps this page needs to be a part of what is happening in the Kirila Kelle wetlands or something. Should the Article be about the Wetlands with a link? It is about the community of 35,000 people and how they are trying to recover their community. I don't see how it is different to well established environmental actions and groups that are featured throughout Wiki - the only difference they are large bodies that have history and this is new. This community will become encyclopedic but by definition this has to occur over time. I believe the 5th Pillar of Wikipedia should have some place in this discussion. I am not an IT person and this is my first attempt to help this large community who have nothing. Please give me some advice if you can see your way clear - happy to remove parts as requested etc. I am still having a bit of bother getting the references into the article too.


 * I guess my questions is what is your connection to the project? What you have essentially done is create something that looks like a Wikipedia article, but is really the userpage for your account.  That in itself isn't so bad - if it was intended to be an article we can move it out into the main article space.  Since we don't have an article on the wetlands, that may be the best outcome.  The objectionable part was where you started talking about ecotourism and provided contact information, though I see that you have removed that part so I have removed my G11 notice.  I think ideally we would have an article on the wetlands themselves, and then an article on the charitable organization if you can prove through reliable sources external to the organization that it is notable.  I hope this helps. (after edit conflict) Also, don't worry if you have trouble getting the references in properly.  If you can make a note as to which references support which statements we can fix the formatting later. Syrthiss (talk) 14:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for replying Syrthiss - I work and live in Abu Dhabi and have no financial incentive. I was purely a surf tourist that went to Matara for a holiday two months ago and met some of the locals who have been devastated, financially economically and socially (they all lost family/friends) post Tsunami, And this was on top of years of incredibly bad water/land management practices that removed their farming livelihood. Now all they can do is fall apart. I have a heart-felt need to help and some of the local group asked if I could do something to get their situation and effort out there as well as protect the wetland. They felt my english and education would be useful. I am getting nothing from any of this except a thank you and some merit. I expect that people will make money out of this - in fact I hope all 35,000 do. But probably just as importantly I hope the wetland survives as it is their only "place". Their lives are linked to this place. I have several references that I stopped putting in as it was starting to look messy - on your advice I will use an author date style. When I started this I got confused what a userpage was but didn't know how to move it to a developmental area.I find Wiki tutorials pretty dense. I reread the article and could see how it looks like a promotion. I will try and work out another way to direct people to the group. I will start up a page for the wetlands as it has a huge amount of local importance and diversity. Syrthiss I would really appreciate any help you give me with this.


 * Ok, that is fair enough. I'm kind of out of time for wiki today.  I'll put a note up on your userpage showing that it is an article in progress, which should keep other administrators from deleting it in the meantime.  If you have a question for an experienced user in the meantime, you can cut and paste  (as it appears here) onto this page, and replace the 'your question here' with what you want to ask about.  That will place your page into a queue where another volunteer will be able to reply.  Syrthiss (talk) 15:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you - I will start in on a wetlands page and then get advice about the next bit. I am not sure how they have their organisation setup - I will have to ask.

Syrthiss -I am sure you are busy but can you advise me how I split this current page into two pages - I expect between sections 2 and 3? I have in the interim changed the title to Wetlands and CBE project to reduce the focus on the project. I would Like to make one Page on Kirila Kelle Wetlands and the next on Kirila Kelle Wetlands Community Based Ecotourism Project. Does it all look a bit better in your opinion - I have got referencing working and shown the CBE is recognised under non-profit NGO (Sri Lanka Ecotourism Foundation -SLEF) under SL Ministry of Environmental and Natural Resources. Thank you for your help I believe this is worthwhile and has encyclopedic value for both areas. KiralaKelle (talk) 09:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You need the full URL (ie with the http://). Try that and feel free to ask for more help if you need it. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   15:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you KiralaKelle (talk) 16:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

splitting
Hi again. In and out, but I did an example of breaking off the wetlands only page here. I'm afraid I'm not the best person for creating articles, so I couldn't get the nice features like Template:Location map Sri Lanka to work properly. If that looks ok to you, I can move that out into the main article space.

I'll take a crack at the other half in a little bit. I'll probably put it at User:Syrthiss/Kirala Kelle Wetlands Conservation Project for now, so I don't disrupt your draft here. Syrthiss (talk) 11:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you - I am pretty excited about learning the whole article process. I just don't want to mess it up. Happy to do all the work. please feel free to move anything out that you think is ready. Things are pretty close as far as the project page is concerned however I will do a lot more on the Wetlands page especially in relation to geology, flora and fauna. I owe you a lot in helping me learn the process. Thank you againKiralaKelle (talk) 12:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I want you to read our policy on original research, please. As I started going through the draft that I have linked above, I kept running into statements that you have linked to sources that don't support the statements (except through extrapolating beyond the information linked in the source).  If you compare the first couple of paragraphs on your page to mine, you can see that I have removed several statements and requested citations for several more.  It is not worth my time to pare through this to make sure the sourcing is correct when I find so many statements (in just the first two paragraphs!) that might be contested and are either unsourced or incorrectly cited from the source.  I even had to delete an entire section that was plagiarized from a source.


 * I know that you have said that the Wikipedia guidelines and policies are opaque. I agree there is a lot of information there to try and take in, and thats why I didn't create my own first article probably for several weeks after I started editing.  However, I urge you to take the time and make sure you understand the core policies at the very least.  If you can start out an article with scrupulous sourcing and impeccable attention to avoiding copyright issues you will save yourself a lot of trouble down the line.


 * I hope this helps. Syrthiss (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does and I see your point. I think some bits need to come out probably - I will try and sort it a bit more over the coming days. If it is OK I will pull your article into the conservation project and change the one on my page to the Wetlands page. I have a 3 week business trip starting next Tuesday that may slow it down a little.KiralaKelle (talk) 05:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)