User talk:Kirill Lokshin/Archive 14

Harassment of editors and Arbcom transparency
On my talk page at User_talk:Russavia, there is a discussion between myself and your fellow Arb User:AGK, concerning an issue which came to the attention of Arbcom. As the various links and diffs show, many editors saw the recent RFC/U against User:Fae as harassment, at best, and as homophobic harassment, at worst.

AGK firstly stated that he "voted" to ban Delicious Carbuncle, then has "corrected" himself to state that he merely was in favour of the Committee reviewing the case; either way there was opposition on the Committee to either banning Delicious Carbuncle or even reviewing the harassment that Fae was being subjected to.

As an Arb, the community elected you to represent the community for the community. The Committee time and time again pushes on editors who come before it that transparency is essential in our editing; in fact, transparency is one of the key tenets of this project, however the Arbcom often does not act in the same transparent way that it (and the community) expects of the community itself.

AGK states on my talk page that one can only expect a transparent hearing if a request for arbitration is filed, and states that most Arbcom business is conducted this way. This notion is somewhat correct, but it is also very wrong. As the committee time and time makes a point of stating that community transparency is essential, the community also expects the same of the Committee -- at all times. The Committee also makes many decisions "behind closed doors", and when pushed to explain decisions cites various "get out of jail free cards" to avoid being transparent to the community-at-large. This includes decisions such as banning editors for things done offwiki which can't clearly be attributed to that editor, or unbanning editors with a history of socking, etc, etc.

In aid of this, and in the interests of transparency to the Community at large, I am asking that you answer the following questions:


 * 1) Did you discuss the harassment of Fae on the Arbcom-l mailing list?
 * 2) If you did discuss this on the mailing list, were you in favour or against the Committee reviewing the information?
 * 3) If the discussion got to anything resembling a vote, did you vote in favour or against banning Delicious Carbuncle?

These are very simple questions which one is able to answer if they are truly for transparency both on the Committee and in the community in general, and I would expect that many in the community would be wanting transparent answers to these questions.

The last thing, it is of course Fae's choice if he wishes to request a case for Arbitration, but these questions are not being asked to have an end-run around the Arbitration process, but are being asked in the interests of transparency on a specific example that the Committee was aware of and refused to act upon. I would expect Fae and other editors (especially LGBT editors) would be wanting transparent answers here now, before deciding if they wish to act. Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 07:53, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * In response to your questions:
 * Yes.
 * The Committee was "reviewing the information"—were we not, there would be nothing to discuss. Did you perhaps mean "opening a case"?
 * The discussion did not reach a state where voting would have been necessary or appropriate.
 * Kirill [talk] [prof] 10:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Abuse Filter on the Article Feedback Tool
Hey there :). You're being contacted because you're an edit filter manager, At the moment, we're developing Version 5 of the Article Feedback Tool, which you may or may not have heard about. If you haven't; for the first time, this will involve a free-text box where readers can submit comments :). Obviously, there's going to be junk, and we want to minimise that junk. To do so, we're working the Abuse Filter into the tool.

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 * Thanks for letting me know; I'll drop by the discussion when I have a moment. Kirill [talk] 03:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Загрузка фото
Кирилл, здравствуйте! Пишу по-русски, так как увидел приветствие на русском и информацию о том, что Вы из Петербурга. Кирилл, я хотел загрузить логотип компании для иллюстрации страницы: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Development_Bank. У меня получилось загрузить только временно - не хватает прав. Администратор русской Вики посоветовал мне обратиться к одному из Администраторов en. Не могли бы Вы, если это возможно, дать мне временно флаг для загрузки картинки? Спасибо! Lupus-bellus (talk) 07:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Я дал вам флаг "confirmed user". Скажите, пожалуйста, если у вас возникнут любые другие проблемы с добавлением изображений.  Кирилл 12:23, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Кирилл, большое спасибо! Lupusb (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Interwiki Milhist article talk pages
Is it possible to link the other wikis' talk pages directly off our talk page, instead of just the project page, which I for one never visit? Should note also my thanks and most probably many others' for all your hard backroom work. Kind regards from New Zealand, Buckshot06 (talk) 08:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * There's no way to get direct interwiki links on a talk page, but we're currently discussing other potential ways of achieving the same effect. Hopefully we'll have something ready shortly.  Kirill [talk] 12:13, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Ваше мнение о Pending changes/Request for Comment 2012
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Hi mate, tks for removing from Showcase -- I deliberately didn't do anything there when I removed the MoH FAR from the news/reviews template because I had this weird impression I'd seen you remove MoH from Showcase already -- must've confused it with something else... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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I've just made a move of this article, but I seem to have redirected it to itself, and the page history has disappeared. Can you help me out, or direct me to someone who can? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 09:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you!

 * Thanks! Kirill [talk] 12:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Request for arbitrator comment
I would ask you to please read the recent discussion at User talk:Deathlaser. The editor in question, apparently legally a minor, seems to have received mulitple e-mails from some unnamed party of a threatening nature, the most recent of which apparently contained a threat of physical violence. Deathlaser does not apparently know who has been sending the messages, and is on that basis understandably cautious around several others. He has indicated that he initially thought LadyofShallott might be the person sending the messages, for instance.

I hope that Deathlaser might be more willing to trust an Arbitrator like you. I don't know that he apparently trusts anyone else. I certainly believe this matter should receive some appropriate attention, like determining the identity of the person making the threats to see what if any action can be taken, but I don't know how to convince Deathlaser that he can trust me or most anyone else.

Sorry for dumping this on you, but you're on ArbCom, and I think either it or the WMF should definitely know what is going on, particularly if they can somehow bring some sort of action against the abusive e-mailer. And I'm not sure Deathlaser is likely to trust anyone else. John Carter (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * We're currently following this up. Kirill [talk] 22:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Help needed with project banner code
Hello.. Ed told me that you're able to help with project banner coding. If you have spare time to look over requested changes to the ships banner it would be appreciated. So far all I get are pushes to switch to metabanner. Brad (talk) 21:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * So essentially the desired end result is just to integrate the "needs infobox" block into the body of the banner? That's easy enough to change; I'll try to get to it sometime this week. Kirill [talk] 11:14, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes; as long as the request is hidden under the "additional information" drop down. I don't want the banner to expand in size more than it is now. Let's test it out in the sandbox first. Thanks. Brad (talk) 19:57, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Just a keep alive Brad (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * My apologies for the delay. I've set up WikiProject Ships/sandbox to demonstrate the new functionality; please let me know if that's what you had in mind, or if there are any other changes you'd like. Kirill [talk] 21:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's going in the right direction with a few hiccups. I set up a test for the banner at Talk:USCGC Dorado (WPB-87306) and it's triggering the B-class checklist request even though the article is a stub. You can see the category on the bottom of the page. So if this version of the banner were to be implemented there would be thousands of stub articles asking for B-class assessment which would not be a good thing.
 * When I first considered combining Ship infobox request into the banner itself I envisioned the exact same size of that template showing in the banner which would have been too large. The horror of banner sizes like WikiProject United States was first and foremost in my mind. However, looking at the sandbox banner currently in place I feel that the size of the notice is small enough to appear on the banner without enlarging it too drastically. I think the drop down scenario is no longer needed.
 * I've also recently requested two new auto-assess features if they're feasible. The descriptions are here. Thanks for your help and excuse my long-winded explanations. More is better in this situation. Brad (talk) 19:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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Wow
Well, it seems you and a number of your colleagues will not push a Fof regarding more recent edit wars and personal attacks by another administrator (highlighted by the Community and submitted in evidence here), but will push a Fof regarding an edit-war from just under 4 years ago (which was not submitted in evidence here). How fair of you. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC) Just noticed that it was you and your ex-arbitrator former colleagues who highlighted it 3 and a half years ago, so of course it should be highlighted again. One of your brighter moments by far. Ncmvocalist (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The other case you refer to isn't mentioned because it never rose to the level of an arbitration case. The point of the type of finding in question here is not that someone has edit-warred per se, but rather that they were previously sanctioned by the Committee. Kirill [talk] 15:47, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Well the sanction was not submitted in evidence either. It was imposed in late 2008 as a narrow admonishment relating to edit-warring, for something that also happened about mid-2008. We are now in 2012; no evidence of warring behavior between late 2008 and today has been presented. All that has been noted is that this administrator has on this occasion made an administrative reversion without expressly discussing this matter first (and after previously making, on average, 2 edits per year on the Perth articles). No link has been made to the explanation of what he was thinking when he did make the move in the Fof. No mention is also made of the fact he had the opportunity to actually wheel war to compound this situation, but consciously did not do so. The finding also does not mention how many edits he has made altogether during that period either. The Fofs lack all that context (which you and your colleagues would want others to be mindful of in relation to arb actions). To top things off, you also favour (as a first choice remedy for him) that which you would impose on an administrator who has (i) wheel-warred (bright line), (ii) recently received admonishment from the Community for other bright-line edit-warring and personal attacks, and (iii) also move-warred before. Not "disproportionate and excessive", huh? You've sure got him now. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:20, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! It was great seeing everyone in person! Kirill [talk] 22:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

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Appreciate your response
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 * Great seeing you as well, and thanks for the link! Kirill [talk] 13:41, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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Kirill of Rockville, MD
Another boring city? Wikipedia arbitrators' lives must be terribly dull. Proxies are my friends (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, come now. Rockville might not be Las Vegas, but it's not that boring. Kirill [talk] 14:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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You're invited to Masterpiece Museum Edit-a-Thon!
Re: this, I think it'd be cool to have more general contribution meetups. Not focusing on editing and definitely not focusing on a particular subset of editing, but meetups that are designed to facilitate Wikimedia project participation instead of just eating and chatting, y'know? Not that you couldn't do all three, which would probably be the ideal.

With this type directed and focused event (the Smithsonian Edit-a-Thon), my guess is that a lot of Wikipedians don't really want to commit to a six-hour block of work on a Saturday (well, probably closer to five hours with lunch, which was nice to provide). I'd like to attend, but mostly for the social interaction (people discussing Wikimedia and being interested in discussing Wikimedia). I don't really want to work on uploading gems or whatever to Commons; I have a long list of my own projects I want to work on. But then this event isn't for me, as I see it. And that kind of sucks.

This isn't to say that I have an issue with a directed event like this, but I think you could get more (and better!) participation by luring more people in and then getting a certain percentage interested in a particular niche topic (like Smithsonian collections or whatever).

Maybe we could do a standing (i.e., regularly scheduled, not physically standing) event of some kind? A meeting somewhere quiet/connectable every two weeks on a Saturday or Sunday? Make it a bit more relaxed. Not necessarily an indexed and recorded D.C. meetup, but a "hey, some people may be around this area, there are places to plug in your laptop and grab some food, and maybe you'll meet some other wiki-folks there." Busboy and Poets-style, kind of, but less pretentious and corporate. (o;

Thoughts? --MZMcBride (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * So more of a semi-social gathering than an event focused on performing some specific task? That should certainly be doable. Kirill [talk] 18:51, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, pretty much. We currently have two broad categories of meetups as I see it:
 * formal, indexed and documented meetups (e.g., Meetup/DC 31) that include eating and socializing and generally exclude editing/participation; and
 * formal, indexed and documented meetups that include directed editing and possibly eating.
 * I want something like "informal, partially indexed and documented meetups (maybe a "I'll try to stop by" list) that include undirected editing/participation and socializing and possibly (or probably) eating. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good idea. Of course, this being Wikipedia, we'd need a set of rules to balance the event between the editing and the socializing/dining aspects. Perhaps "no talking to your neighbor or ordering any alcoholic beverages until you've made at least five mainspace edits...." Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:25, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thoughts on discretionary sanctions requested
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee Nobody Ent 23:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject categories
Hi Kirill,

I've been working on setting up a new WikiProject lately and am involved in a discussion here, with an IP editor, regarding the tagging of pages with <tt>class=redirect</tt>, as well as <tt>disambig</tt> and <tt>project</tt> classes. I have been modelling the setup of the project on other successful projects, such as MILHIST and LGBT, and note that MILHIST has its own banner rather than the, given its limitations. I wondered if you might advise me as to the reasons why MILHIST has chosen not to identify with those 3 non-article classes. There does not appear to be a standard Category:Redirect-Class military history articles but a barely used Category:Military history redirect pages, a Category:Military history disambiguation pages and no "project" class listings at all, that I can find. Though I have my own ideas as to why I find these assessment classes superfluous, or "clutter", I wondered if you might explain to me any other more practical reasons as to not using them, or why they are less obvious, resulting in little use, given your experience managing MILHIST's behind-the-scenes setup and organisation of such things. Would you generally advise for or against the use of any of these classes in a new project? Thanks, <font color="#001C56">Ma<font color="#B40000">&reg;&copy; usBr<font color="#B40000">iti sh {chat} 20:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The categories you mention are actually functionally equivalent to the standard ones; in other words, assessing a MILHIST article as "Redirect-Class" causes it to be placed in Category:Military history redirect pages, assessing it as "Project-Class" causes it to be placed in Category:Military history special pages, and so forth. The names are constructed differently primarily because I've always found using "X-Class articles" for pages which are fundamentally not articles to be confusing.
 * I've never really seen the purpose of categorizing redirects, disambiguation pages, and the like, since there's no meaningful progression along a quality scale for such pages, and thus no real benefit to collecting statistics regarding their presence and number. The MILHIST categories for these pages are mostly unused for that precise reason; while we have the capability to add pages to them, nobody finds it necessary to do so.  I know that some other projects—particularly those that have special types of disambiguation pages—have a slightly different view; but, for the average project, I don't think there's anything to be gained in practical terms by tracking non-article pages of this type. Kirill [talk] 22:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have much the same thought, and would also like to avoid purely statistical categories in this new project, as I believe they can encourage people to invent drives that serve very little purpose, like "let's cleanup all Disambig pages" (poor example), taking time away from the main "improve and maintain" goals of a project. In some case I think they can also reflect badly, unintentionally, on a project and become a hinderance.. the "incomplete B-class checklists" in MILHIST for example, seems really to grate on people, because it is a high total, seen as a massive crippling backlog. Personally, I don't see the great effect reducing this category has.. anyone aiming to improve an article from C to B is going to identify the lacking areas for development themselves, just as they would improving one from B to A standards, and don't really need other editors to have done this for them in every single case, so it's more a "nice to know" than essential list, is my feeling. I don't think the WPBannerMeta produces this sort of category though, fortunately, to worry about. <font color="#001C56">Ma<font color="#B40000">&reg;&copy; usBr<font color="#B40000">iti sh {chat} 23:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

OMT totals not being updated.
Kirill, The totals for OMT haven't been updated since 12 July; do you have any idea why that might be as I thought that the same bot updated all of the MilHist task force totals.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:49, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems to be being updated, albeit infrequently; see the history. Were you expecting updates to some other page? Kirill [talk] 22:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I was looking at the log at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Operation Majestic Titan (Phase I) articles by quality log and didn't see anything newer than 12 July, although the numbers match the one that you linked to. So I guess it's OK, although I'm puzzled why the log didn't update as well. But that's a minor issue.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't know if this helps, as it has affected my setup of stats for a new project also: Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index. <font color="#001C56">Ma<font color="#B40000">&reg;&copy; usBr<font color="#B40000">iti sh {chat} 02:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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I added you to the access list, so your message should go out now. Regards, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:19, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


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Backstage at the Smithsonian Libraries
Backstage at the Smithsonian Libraries is part of Wikipedia Loves Libraries 2012, the second annual continent-wide campaign to bring Wikipedia and libraries together with on-site events. Running this fall through October and November, libraries (and archives) will open their doors to help build a lasting relationship with their local Wikipedian community.

Organized by Wikimedia DC, this event will take place on October 12, 2012, and will include new editor training, a "backstage pass" tour of the National Museum of Natural History, and an edit-a-thon. Everyone is welcome to attend!

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Footnoting archival images
Hi Kirill, I wanted to run something by you. Recently, I have been working on a proposal (with mock-up) for citing historical imagery in articles with regular footnotes, rather than having to click through to the image description page. The idea came about during meetings with several Library of Congress staff recently, which I could talk more about—but I thought I would just show you first. The explanation of the rationale is at User:Dominic/Image citation and the mock-up is at User:Dominic/Image citation/Sample. The idea of changing the manual of style or WP:CITE and editing thousands of articles to add these is pretty daunting, but my eventual goal right now is just to make sure that this is deemed an acceptable practice that people won't revert for being non-standard. I think this would be a great way for Wikimedia DC to build more of a partnership with the LOC. Before bringing it the broader community, I'm curious to hear any thoughts you have on that implementation or the idea in general. Thanks! Dominic·t 21:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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DC meetup
Hi Kirill, thanks for the notice about the October meetup. I'm actually going to be in town on Sept 27, and I see you guys have a meetup at Starbucks (tho only the intern and I are signed up so far!) Would be nice to see you there if it's convenient. - Dank (push to talk) 02:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll try to make it out there, although weekday events tend to be a bit difficult for me, given my unpredictable work schedule. Kirill [talk] 02:08, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, hope it works. - Dank (push to talk) 02:10, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm...I don't see any message about meetup at Starbucks, though I see a local Wiki Loves Libraries meetup at National Museum of Natural History, though I had to go to the main DC Meetup page to find that specific page. Kirill, next time you send out the announcement, be sure to include a link to the specific page about the meetup event. I put myself down in the Maybe section. Thanks all! --TheBlueWizard (talk) 19:28, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

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Bibliography of encyclopedias: history
Started this. Need help expanding. Can you help looking in google books and making references using http://reftag.appspot.com/?♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Bicocca
Great work with this article Kirill (and it's always good to see a 2006 FA that's up to modern standards :) ). Regards, Nick-D (talk) 05:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! (Which reminds me: I really ought to get back to writing FAs for the other Italian Wars topics at some point.) Kirill [talk] 05:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Precious

 * Thank you for your kind words! Kirill [talk] 13:15, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXVIII, September 2012
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WikiProject question
Hi Kirill Lokshin, I'm contacting you because I can see that you've been involved with the WikiProject Council, and I didn't want to make a post there if the answer was simple and I was just missing it. I'm curious if you know whether there is any ranking of the WikiProjects by monthly pageviews or by membership numbers. I am kind of curious which are the biggest WikiProjects and which are the most active. Do you know the answer off the top of your head? And if not, would the WikiProject Council talk page be the best place to ask this question? Thanks in advance, -Thibbs (talk) 13:31, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't believe there's currently any ranking like that. It shouldn't be difficult to generate a ranking by page views automatically, since that information is available in a standard form for every project; generating a ranking by membership numbers may be slightly more challenging, since different projects track memberships differently (and some don't track them at all).  Hope that helps! Kirill [talk] 13:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah thanks. Do you think this would be of interest to anyone else and if so would the WikiProject Council be an appropriate place to suggest keeping track of these figures? -Thibbs (talk) 13:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Nudge
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Question concerning membership
Out of curiosity, does the Wikipedia site track users who log in using some sort of system a bot could follow? Given the long term outlook for dropping membership and the discussion about our current membership list being woefully out of date I was wondering if it would be possible to use automated scripts or perhaps a bot to track Wikipedia wide project members and update their lists of active members based on whatever method the servers use to track registered users when they log onto there accounts. If such a script or bot could be created (assuming one doesn't already exist) then it would radically simplify the ability of projects to track active members based on the time of there last login to the site, which in turn could be used to determine who among a projects list of active members can and/or should be moved to the non-active/retired list. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * While I think logins might be reflected in the raw server logs, those are only available to WMF IT staff; the information that can be accessed by external users (e.g. through the Checkuser tool) is generated only when someone makes an edit or otherwise actively interacts with the site. Kirill [talk] 01:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback
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Evidence...
Tip of the iceberg...here...--MONGO 18:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, granted, Malleus is neither very subtle nor very well-mannered when dealing with people he regards poorly; I don't think that comes as a surprise to anyone. Having said that, I'm not convinced that the issue would remain unmanageable if RFA (and Malleus' various views thereon) were to be removed as a factor. Kirill [talk] 19:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Rfa is his worst area...a motion to suspend his activities inclusively on anything regarding Rfa would have been the best option as of right now...but I fear that would be a mere stepping stone to further penalties which appear to be inevitable.--MONGO 23:19, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Note
I'm guessing my comments will be lost in the chaos, but anyway, just letting you know I mentioned you in a question for arbcom. - jc37 18:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment


 * Noted; thanks for the note! Kirill [talk] 19:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

!vote
Yes, !vote is lame. So fix it -- Courcelles green lighted copyediting the remedy. express his own !vote on a specific RFA -> express his own support/oppose on a specific RFA Nobody Ent 12:48, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Changing the wording of the motion at this point would require the concurrence of the other arbitrators supporting it; while I expect that they would probably not object to the edit you're suggesting, I don't really want to delay the process further just for the sake of indulging my inner copy-editor. Kirill [talk] 13:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Heh, I noticed your comment on MF arb clarification. I have to say I have been less and less likely to use "!vote" lately, especially when so many of the things here that we claim aren't votes clearly are indeed votes. They might not be straight headcount votes, but we are kidding ourselves to call them anything but a vote. I'm glad I'm not the only one to feel that way. Gigs (talk) 21:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXIX, October 2012
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Problem with WikiProject Military history template
Hello Kirill, can you take a look at Template talk:WikiProject Military history? It seems that something is wrong with WikiProject Military history and it is causing the pages that include it to be difficult to edit. See the Village pump (technical) for example. It's probably related to something in WikiProject Military history/Class. Kaldari (talk) 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've responded on the template talk page. Kirill [talk] 02:42, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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Bugle question
Hey Kirill. Would you be able to find out why the Bugle is no longer centered? I assume some HTML was deprecated in Mediawiki, but I don't know how to fix it, and I don't think Ian or Nick do either. :-) Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. I suspect the same change will probably need to be made to the other Bugle subpages that use nested tables. Kirill [talk] 03:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kirill, much appreciated. The rest of them should be fixed now. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXX, November 2012
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BOTREQ
Sorry for taking so long to get this done, I've been a bit busy.

Looking at WikiProject Military history/Showcase/FA (haven't taken a look at the other pages yet), is there a standard on which articles get or italics? And is it something that a bot could detect, like having a certain category, or page text?

Thanks, Legoktm (talk) 10:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem; it's not really an urgent request.
 * As far as italics are concerned, they're typically applied to articles about ships, but I don't think there's an easy way to identify them by bot without parsing a lot of low-level categories. I would suggest taking out the italics entirely and just having those links appear normally, since it's purely a cosmetic issue. Kirill [talk] 11:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I got the -list pages working, see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Military_history%2FShowcase%2FFL&diff=525792538&oldid=525789568] and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Military_history%2FShowcase%2FAL&diff=525792525&oldid=525787965]. I'll try and finish the other ones in a few days. Legoktm (talk) 01:47, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks perfect; thanks for taking care of this! Kirill [talk] 02:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

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DC Meetup #33
December 10 is Ada Lovelace's birthday! Not only was she the world's first computer programmer, but also the world's first female open source developer! Come celebrate with Wikimedia District of Columbia at Busboys & Poets for an informal get together!

The Washington, DC event will be held on Monday, December 10, 2012 at Busboys & Poets on 5th St NW & K St NW near Mt Vernon Square. The area is easily accessible by the Red Line Chinatown stop and the Yellow Line and Green Line Mt Vernon Square stop, as well as by WMATA buses.

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Wikimedia DC Holiday Party and Wiki Loves Monuments Exhibition
Please join Wikimedia DC and four other local media nonprofits—the National Press Club's Young Members Committee, 100Reporters, IRE and the Fund for Investigative Journalism—in winding down another year with a night of well-mannered frivolity.

The festivities will take place on Friday evening from 6:30 PM to 9:00 PM in the Zenger Room on the 13th Floor of the National Press Club, located on 529 14th Street NW, near Metro Center. There will be meat and vegetarian appetizers as well as a cash bar with specially reduced drink prices all night long. In addition, we will be exhibiting the finalists of the Wiki Loves Monuments photo contest at the event.

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 * Party went well. Missed you there!  Warm wishes.  -- Econterms (talk) 00:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXI, December 2012
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ho ho ho
I do believe that this card explains a lot of the hitherto misunderstood and even ignored origins of a variety of Christmas stories. I am considering writing an article about the theology involved but am having a difficult time with sources. Oh well, have a good one, it does appear that we have made it through the worst of 2012, which is a great start to 2013 Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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Spouse parameter
Thank you for adding the spouse parameter to the infobox for military persons. If you are around, could you please move the parameter above the "relations" parameter? It seems odd to list the wife after the children if both fields were used. Thank you. -- My <font color="#FF4500;">76 Strat (talk) 02:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXII, January 2013
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A-class reviews
Hi there. I see that you're the primary editor of the WPMILHIST project banner, so I'm guessing you're the technical expert who put together the A-class functionality for that template. I want to duplicate the A-class review system you WP:MILHIST guys use to such great effect at WikiProject Video games, and I was wondering if you could offer me some guidance and/or assistance in assembling all the code and subpages necessary to make it work. This is something I'd like to have up and running by April, when I plan on sending out an article on the process in our quarterly newsletter. Thanks for any help you can provide. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 19:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There are two basic components to the A-Class review system that you'll need to copy:
 * The assessment code located in WPMILHIST
 * The assessment page structure located at WP:MHACR
 * I can help you with either (or both) if you'd like; just let me know how you'd like the resulting system to look, and where it should reside within WP:VG. Kirill [talk] 15:12, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * That would be great! I looked at that template, thinking I might be able to figure out where the key piece to add the A-class parameter is, but it's extremely dense.  Our project template is here.  We have an assessment page, WikiProject Video games/Assessment, with a subpage for requests at WikiProject Video games/Assessment/Requests.  We can copy your structure and have WikiProject Video games/Assessment/A-Class review.  I'm a software developer, so I am interested in learning the code to make the template work if it's not too difficult to explain.  You can either implement it and tell me what you did, or tell me how and I'll give it a shot, whichever you prefer.  Thanks. —<B>Torchiest</B> talk<sub style="margin-left:-3ex;">edits 02:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding your opinion on ; what exactly is the procedure? We already tried Talk page and ANI and both failed. What exactly must be done before bringing the case to ArbCom? &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 22:19, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * If you believe that Hammersoft has acted improperly, the correct course of action is to open a user RFC regarding his conduct. Neither of the discussions you refer to focus on Hammersoft's conduct specifically (as opposed to the general community consensus regarding IPH); if you want us to accept a case regarding a specific user, you need to demonstrate that you have followed the preliminary user (rather than content) dispute resolution process. Kirill [talk] 22:36, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Happy birthday Kirill Lokshin! I know this is a special time for you, so here is my gift: some randomly generated binary code!

One again happy birthday! Command and Conquer Expert! speak to me...review me... 02:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


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WikiCup 2013 February newsletter
Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below.

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:
 * , primarily for an array of warship GAs.
 * , primarily for an array of did you knows and good articles, some of which were awarded bonus points.
 * , due in no small part to Canis Minor, a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with, this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition.

Other contributors of note include:
 * , whose Portal:Massachusetts is the first featured portal this year. The featured portal process is one of the less well-known featured processes, and featured portals have traditionally had little impact on WikiCup scores.
 * , whose Mycena aurantiomarginata was the first featured article this year.
 * and, who both claimed points for articles in the Major League Baseball tie-breakers topic, the first topic points in the competition.
 * , who claimed for the first full good topic with the Casting Crowns studio albums topic.

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a curious contribution has been offered by : did you know that there is a Shit Brook in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the WikiWomen's History Month, a series of collaborative efforts to aid the women's history WikiProject to coincide with Women's History Month and International Women's Day. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a to-do list of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an an effort from WikiCup participants to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

A few final administrative issues. From now on, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 01:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to a discussion: Wikipedia and legislative data
Hi Kirill Lokshin, since you are interested in meetups in DC, I'd like to invite you to attend the Cato Institute's "Wikipedia and Legislative Data" events on March 14. (There's also an all day workshop on March 15; let me know if you are interested, we may be able to add more people.)

There will be an introduction to Wikipedia and open edit-a-thon in the afternoon, and a Sunshine Week Reception in the evening. I hope you can make it!


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Hope to see you there! -Pete (talk) 19:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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Open letter to 5 randomly selected Wikipedia big shots
If you check user me, and it is very common for curious Wikipedians to do so even though it is wrong, you will see that I used to be a frequent editor several years ago. Some of my edits were from this computer.

Wikipedia is a very hostile environment. After being attacked, the natural reaction is to leave, vandalize, or read but stop editing. I have done the latter. I hope that you will consider the following ideas.

1. It should be deemed a personal attack and a reason to ban an editor if they, lacking the ability to discuss things in a civil and convincing manner, then start to accuse another person of being a sock. This type of behavior is highly effective, showing how juvenile Wikipedia is.

Wikipedia would be far more effective if editors were not allowed to continue to edit if they cannot calmly and rationally discuss issues in the talk pages. This is a far better way to improve an article than to falsely accuse someone of being a sock.

2. Everyone should disclose conflicts of interests. There are plenty. Wikipedia is quick to block someone if their name is a corporate name but allows POV pushers all the time. The most common POV pusher is in biographies of politicians or articles about conflicts, such as Israel. Some will always push for inclusion of favorable material and exclusion of unfavorable material. They will use excuses such as "undue weight" or "trivia" or will call the other person a sock.

It should be automatically assumed that one is a POV pusher if all their edits are one sided or if they always support a partisan viewpoint in the talk pages. Wikipedia should be neutral.

One way to do it would be for people to disclose possible conflicts on their user page and update them as they edit articles. For example, one could disclose that they are American. Later, if they write about politics, they could disclose that they are a registered party member or a government employee. If they don't want to disclose this, they can stick with botany and animal articles. In academia, people do make disclosures when they give lectures.

Finally, I disclose that I have started an account because I have not edited for so long and do not have my password or even my exact name. It's been years since I edited. When I did edit, I improved articles to even get special designations (DYK, GA, FA, etc) VDAWP (talk) 04:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

ArbCom & Macedonia/Albania
Looking at Talk:René Redzepi it is not difficult to predict another Balkan War on this article. But rather vaguely I remember that the ArbCom already has some active decisions to stop such an event. Unfortunately, I can not find them. Can you point me the way to those measures? This is absolutely not a request for arbitration or for your interference, just an attempt to avoid potential trouble. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 20:18, 9 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You're probably thinking of "discretionary sanctions", which apply to all pages related to the Balkans. Kirill [talk] 19:44, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that was the one I was looking for. Hope the warning works. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 00:12, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Secret Informers
Wikipedia should not be a Gestapo type state. It should not operate on the word of secret informers and in-camera trials. Who was the informer on User:George Ponderevo or was s/he invented by the Arbcom) and please supply diffs for the supposed serious crimes. Then please tell the project how each Arb voted - or are the Arbs ashamed of their actions?  Giano   13:49, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * There's a fine line between "informer" and "whistleblower"; whether an editor who reports something to the Arbitration Committee falls into one category or the other will probably depend on whether you agree with the substance of the report. Generally speaking, though, I'm uncomfortable with the idea that we should prohibit private complaints and instead require everyone to make their complaints publicly and face the risk of retaliation from the target of the complaint or their friends.  (And while you may not consider that risk to be significant in this case, consider a similar scenario where the target is, for example, a corrupt administrator.)
 * As far as the arbitrators are concerned, I believe each arbitrator's vote was announced together with the statement itself (Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard). Or were you looking for something different? Kirill [talk] 14:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw the unanimous support - I don't believe it. That the Arbcom claims it listened to a secret informer for what was not a serious complaint (sexual abuse/outuig/intimidation ect is shameful and has disgraced you all. I wonder if there really is an informant and one of you was not just too trigger happy with the checkuser. let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time - would it?  Giano   14:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time - would it?" Uh oh, the secret words to bring in co-founder Jimmy to no doubt give you another threat and praise the drama mongering that goes on here. You gon make him mad again. But yes, this does reek of deja vu. <font color="#ff5500" size="2px">Agent Vodello OK, Let's Party, Darling! 14:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Well, keep in mind that this was first reported to us almost two months ago; the unanimous support you're seeing—and the anodyne nature of the final statement, for that matter—are due to the fact that this was the only thing we could ultimately agree on. Obviously, there were alternative statements and potential actions that were discussed, but none of them received enough support to be adopted.
 * And, yes, I can assure you that there was indeed an outside complaint made to us; whether you choose to believe that is obviously up to you. Kirill [talk] 14:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I cannot believe that was the true vote - that so many Arbs would have been so gullible, totally naive and acted like sheep going over a precipice is not possible. If that vote is true and the anonymous email made no allegations of RL illegal/intimidating activity, then performance of a secret checkuser was a grave misuse of trust by the whole Arbcom. The sender should have been advised to request an onsite checkuser - that is the correct procedure. As it was - you claim: As a group, having performed a secret checkuser, you then executed a secret kangaroo court. What is even worse, you then claied unanimity to protect yourselves. That none of you foresaw the resultant furore shows a basic lack of understanding of what is expected from arbitrators.  Giano   08:40, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Publicizing 3/29 event
Hi Kirill, Are you the right person to ask for help distributing a talk page spam invite to DC Wikimedians? I created one here: Meetup/DC/Invite/Women in the Arts2013. Thanks in advance for your help! Sarasays (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've set up a bot task to send out the invites; they should be going out shortly. Kirill [talk] 23:06, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much! --Sarasays (talk) 13:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

You are invited to a Women in the Arts Meetup & Edit-a-thon on Friday, March 29
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013
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Please see this
Please take a look at this. Thank you very much. --Lecen (talk) 21:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You said you agreed with SilkTork and Risker about their suggestions to seek mediation once again. Today I did exactly what you suggested. This and this is what happened. You should have noticed by now that I was the only party who went through all stages of dispute resolution while they played with the time. The Arbitrators need to step in and do something about it. --Lecen (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I consider my explanation at the mediation talk page valid. For example, take a look at the Blood tables article that Lecen lists in the Requests for mediation/Argentine history on Wikipedia. When did Lecen edit the "Blood tables" article (or its talk page)? What exactly is wrong with this article that Lecen wishes to improve? Has Lecen's improvement to this article been unjustly denied for there to be a mediation?
 * And it's not just that article. Lecen also lists Sociedad Popular Restauradora, a stub article. The same questions apply.
 * Moreover, as I mentioned in my "decline" explanation, plenty of third opinions were heard (with regards to Juan Manuel de Rosas) that favored my position. Lecen refuses to acknowledge these opinions.
 * Lecen comes to ArbComm with a clear intent at WP:GAMING, skipping the WP:BRD process, blatantly avoiding any consensus, and seeking to avoid collaboration in Wikipedia with those who have a distinct point of view from his own (see, , and ).
 * Best of wishes.-- MarshalN20 | <font color="Olive">T <font color="Silver">al <font color="Olive">k 21:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Arbitration: Argentine history
Hello, Kirill. I talked to Hahc21 and he told me that I should come over here. I added my statement at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Argentine History/Evidence. I don't know if it's larger than allowed. Once you read it, you'll understand that the issue is quite complex, mainly because it has stretched for four years and over several different articles. I'd like to ask you to keep it is as it is, since it will give a fair representation of what is the problem without the possibility of presenting diffs and information out of context. Plus, I won't need to add anything (unless someone asks me a question). Thank you, --Lecen (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Almost half of my statement is spent explaining why revisionist sources represent fringe theories. Only then I could move to Cambalachero and MarshalN20. Everyone knows that holocaust deniers represent fringe theories. If that was the cause I wouldn't have the need to write almost half of my text explaining it. --Lecen (talk) 22:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I would be open to grant a reasonable allowance for longer evidence submissions, given the complexity of the dispute, but a statement that's almost four times the permitted length is simply not acceptable. Please edit your statement to comply with the stated evidence limit of 1000 words
 * Having said that, I do understand the need to discuss the reliability of the sources in detail. I will therefore allow each of the parties to submit an additional statement, of up to 2000 words, to deal with this issue, subject to the following conditions:
 * (a) The additional statement may only discuss the historiography of the topic, the sources used (or not used) in articles about it on Wikipedia, and whether those sources represent majority, minority, or fringe views of the topic (cf. WP:WEIGHT and WP:FRINGE).
 * (b) The additional statement must not discuss, reference, or mention any editor or their actions.
 * (c) The additional statement must be submitted in its own, distinct section on the evidence page.
 * Once the historiographical discussion is separated, I don't anticipate that you will find it difficult to reduce the length of your substantive evidence to comply with the stated limits. Kirill [talk] 21:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Could you grant me a greater limit for the 1000-word statement? I'll have to write about two different users, who did not act together in many moments. On the other hand, they will have to reply solely to what has been said about each. --Lecen (talk) 22:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I see no reason to consider any further extensions when you have made no attempt to condense your current statement. Please be aware that what we're looking for is evidence (that is, specific assertions supported by diffs) rather than general observations (which properly belongs on the workshop page). Kirill [talk] 00:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You told me that we should have an statement with 1,000 words and a part to discuss the historiography with 2,000 words. I was able to diminish my overall statement from almost 4,000 words to 2,803 words. I believe that if I remove anything else it will make the life of the Arbitrators much harder since it will be far more difficult to understand what has been going on. I don't want to merely place diffs with short explanations since I want to avoid the impression that this is a personal dispute between me and the other two editors. I have another request for you. I exchanged e-mail with Professor Michael Goebel He wrote "Argentina's Partisan Past: Nationalism and the Politics of History" (published in 2011). It's the newest book in English about the Argentine Nationalism/Revisionism. I believe his opinion could be useful in here. Is there anyway I can send the e-mail to you? --Lecen (talk) 15:00, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I also got an e-mail from David Rock, author of Authoritarian Argentina: The Nationalist Movement, Its History and Its Impact. --Lecen (talk) 19:04, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Kirill, I tried my best to trim my statement. It has now 1,210 (out of a maximum of 1,000) words for evidences and 1,618 (out of a maximum of 2,000) for sources. Cambalachero and MarshalN20 have both a total of twice the limit of words I'm allowed. Which means that even if I had divided my statement focusing on each editor, they would still have a disproportional limit in relation to mine (a total of 6,000 words against 3,000). I can't remove anything else without hampering my case. I'd like to ask you to allow me to keep it as it is. --Lecen (talk) 20:26, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * You have already been granted a significant extension; I see no reason to grant another at this point. Please trim your statement to comply with the evidence limit. Kirill [talk] 00:28, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * A significant extension that has been also granted to Cambalachero and MarshalN20, which means that I have 500 words to each while they have 2,000 words combined against me. Do you really consider it fair? --Lecen (talk) 01:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Lecen, you were the one who gave me the 1000 word limit, not Kirill. In fact, Kirill has been kind enough to provide you the 2,000 extra words you requested. Best regards.-- MarshalN20 | <font color="Olive">T <font color="Silver">al <font color="Olive">k 02:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The strength of one's evidence is not determined by the number of words one uses to present it. A limit of 1000 words should be more than sufficient to address the conduct of two editors.  Kirill [talk] 02:59, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Replacement png-file for svg-file
You reversed my edit on the page: http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ceresole. You were right to do so. But it has inspired me to make an English svg-version of the file: and I replaced your png-version of the file with my svg-version of the file. Just to let you know. Regards. Wereldburger758 (talk) 09:08, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The SVG version looks good; thanks for putting it together. However, I noticed two typos in the new version:
 * "Conzaga" should be "Gonzaga"
 * "Baglion" should be "Baglioni"
 * Could you please update the SVG files to fix those when you get a chance? Thanks! Kirill [talk] 13:29, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, Wereldburger758 (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you know about the terrain upon which the battle took place like: lakes, rivers, streams, hills, mountains etc.? Wereldburger758 (talk) 06:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The only terrain of note seems to have been two ridges; the French army was positioned along one ridge, and the Spanish army along the other. Kirill [talk] 15:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Message
You said that the Arbitrators kept an eye on users' behavior during the Arbitration and elsewhere. I suggest you take a look at this. It will help you understand what is going on perhaps far better than the evidence page itself. --Lecen (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

DC meetups on April 19 and 20
Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for two exciting events this weekend:

On the evening of Friday, April 19, we're hosting our first-ever WikiSalon at our K Street office. The WikiSalon will be a twice-monthly informal meetup and collaborative editing event to help build the community of Wikimedia enthusiasts here in DC; please join us for its inaugural session. Light refreshments will be provided.

On Saturday, April 20, we've partnered with the George Washington University to host the All Things GW Edit-a-Thon at the Teamsters Labor History Research Center. Please join us for behind-the-scenes tours of the University Archives and help edit articles about GWU history.

We look forward to seeing you at one or both of these events! Kirill [talk] 20:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It looks like we may have accidentally both sent out notices for the editathon around the same time. Hopefully people will forgive us. :-) On that same topic, though, would you be able to get a geonotice up for it? I'm concerned by how few local regular Wikipedians are signing up compared to the recent Smithsonian and HSW editathons, and this one is on a Saturday, too. Dominic·t 23:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how to set up a geonotice, actually; perhaps MZMcBride or Aude would know more. Kirill [talk] 23:25, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hallo
Can you check this user IP? I have strong feeling he is a nother person and I made a sock puppet case against him. His user is User:RashersTierney. Norseman2000 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Doubts about the ArbCom case
Kirill, since the Arbitration case was accepted I've had growing doubts. I asked the ArbCom to accept the case on the basis of whether or not is acceptable that editors write articles using Fascist authors and pushing the political views of these same authors. The other party's statements were used to bring diffs against me, not to respond about their acts. You are well aware that I always complained that I considered unfair that I had only a total of 3,000 words to discuss the actions of two editors while they had a total of 6,000 words to talk about me and only me. Even with greater advantage that did not prevent Cambalachero from using sources (which can be read on Google books) and misrepresenting what they actually said. I warned about this on the Evidence page talk page and nothing was done about it. MarshalN20 used quotations out of context and I also warned about it.

Not only that, but two editors (Dentren and Andrés Djordjalian) appeared out of nowhere to write statements about the case. I never saw them before and they were never in any of the previous discussions regarding the subject. What I do know is that they are MarshalN20's friends. Now Wee Curry Monster also appeared (he is also a friend of Cambalachero and MarshalN20). He did not participate in any of the previous discussions since I opened a thread on Juan Manuel de Rosas in December 2012. He says that he is not part of any group related to Cambalachero and MarshalN20, but they are well known friends. In fact, I warned Cambalachero back in January that Wee Curry Monter should not appear out of nowhere. Take Astynax as an example: he and I are long partners and we wrote several articles together. He has made comments here and there about this case, either on Rosas' talk page or even here on the Arbitration. But he expressed himself solely regarding the use of Fascist sources, and not over MarshalN20 and Cambalachero's behavior toward other editors.

How can I defend myself? My statement was about their edits on articles. They changed the focus of the case toward me over how I deal with other users. Cambalachero has misrepresented sources in his very statement and MarshalN20 took diffs out of context and gave them a whole different meaning. I have no other explanation to their three friends' appearance if not for obvious canvassing. The last three editors who wrote statements did not respect the time limit (12 April). Thus it mean that the time limit is not being enforced? How can the ArbCom be aware of editors who misrepresent sources in an Arbitration case? And what can I do about their accusations against me? Will I be given a chance to defend myself later? --Lecen (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Arbitration proceedings examine the behavior of all parties equally; the fact that you requested arbitration based on a particular allegation regarding Cambalachero and MarshalN20 in no way limits the scope of the actual case. More to the point, your assertion that the other parties are pushing Fascist political views is merely that—an assertion.  You seem to be under the impression that the Arbitration Committee will simply accept whatever assertions you make as facts; that is not the case, and it's quite possible that the case will conclude with the other parties' assertions about the situation accepted as facts instead. Kirill [talk] 23:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not assuming. I can only be sure of what I think, not of what others think, including Arbitrators. I am truly confused because I'm unaware of how the Arbitration works. Does it means that I won't have an opportunity to respond to what they said about me? --Lecen (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello. I would like to point that Lecen has provided no proof for those accusations. I have no special relation or influence over the other users, who act on their own. For instance, Wee Curry Monster. I do not need to prove that I do not influence what does he do or stops doing: Lecen has already done that for me. See the "Justin" user in Lecen's evidence page, that Lecen cited discussing with me? It's the same Wee Curry Monster, who renamed his account in 2010. And, as I pointed in my own evidence page, this is not the first time Lecen makes this type of gratuitous accusations. Cambalachero (talk) 13:41, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Dear Kirill,
 * I just read the messages above. I would just like to add that I have not canvassed anyone for their opinion.
 * Neither Andrés Djordjalian nor Wee Curry Monster are friends of mine. I barely have ever interacted with Andrés, so there is not much I can say about him other than that he seems like a good person. I know Wee Curry Monster from the Falkland Islands article, but our "relationship" has been one filled with severe disagreements about content. Nonetheless, we have always kept our disagreements solely on content; outside that, our interactions as editors has been one of mutual respect.
 * However, Dentren is indeed a Wikifriend of mine. I have known him throughout nearly all of the years I have edited at Wikipedia. My first few years at Wikipedia had a rough start (I was cocky, rude, and uncaring), but Dentren helped me reform by leading through example. I did not ask him to provide any comments about me, but his comment (and concern) continues to show me his quality as a human being.
 * Best regards.-- MarshalN20 | <font color="Olive">T <font color="Silver">al <font color="Olive">k 21:01, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Kirill. A number of us are asking abrcom members a few questions regarding a prior case here. The questions are basically 1) did you vote on this ban appeal 2) if so how 3) or are you against releasing this sort of details to the community. Many thanks Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 19:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


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I've copyedited the principle and I believe this now removes your concern. Roger Davies talk 06:12, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, this edit and Tim made it,  Roger Davies  talk 06:44, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Kirill, how do I add padding to a table so that the text doesn't run into it? The problematic beastie is at South_American_dreadnought_race. Thanks for anything you can do! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


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This is getting posted on every arb's talk page and I will courtesy notify Doc J. I am appalled at how low the standards of wiki admin behavior have sunk. We've seen admins lose their bit for nothing more than one wheel war and yet here we have multiple instances of involved protections, edit wars, hounding new users, involved blocks, etc, and absolutely nothing gets done about it. Why? So Doc J can "adjust"? What about all his victims? What do they get?--diddly squat, just like in the real world. I actually truly hope Doc J can change, but that is not what wiki history teaches us. Wiki history teaches us he will lay low until the heat dies down then steadily go back to his old ways and he'll be back at RFAR within 6-30 months from now. Just like the arb case from my day when a drafting arb came within a hair of posting sanctions on Willbeback but didn't and what happened? Will kept going on in the same old fashion and two years and countless victims later, Will loses his bit and gets banned. And Doc J gets to use a secret mentor? He'd only not disclose that person if he felt the community would not accept the mentor, such as the mentor wasn't neutral or some such reason. By not taking this case and not issuing any guidelines or admonishments, especially with several extremely weak comments by the arbs (ie, how can some of you see nothing wrong in his behavior) all AC did here was send a clear signal to admins that there are no more admin standards of behavior and admins can do whatever they want and get away with it scott free. This juxtaposed with those who lost their bit for one wheel war also shows there is no consistency at all in AC's rulings on admins. At a minimum AC should have issued a statement on unacceptable behavior rather than turning a blind eye to the RFAR. This is an unacceptable precedent for which the community and AC will pay for many times over in the future. The UN can do a better job of fixing things than wiki and AC can, and that's really sad. This is a classic case of how those committing harmful acts rationalize their behavior and others rationalize excuses on their behalf. See you at "RFAR/Jmh649 2". Pumpkin Sky  talk  21:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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