User talk:Kirkbross

Seal working with Lillywhite
A little under a decade ago you wrote a fairly detailed section on the page for Seal (the musician) about how he apparently worked with Steve Lillywhite in 1993, but didn’t cite any sources. Do you know this for a fact? I understand if it was just added as a joke, I make joke edits myself sometimes. But if it was something you know as a fact, I’m honestly curious about it and where you heard about it. 73.109.80.152 (talk) 06:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It was true. It was the end of 1992 actually and I was the bass player. I was only involved for a few weeks. After the first two days of tracking and a rehearsal for the second session, Seal called me and said they were going to work with another bass player going forward. I was disappointed but understood. After that, I don't know what happened or what led to Steve leaving the project.
 * About three months later in early 1993, Seal called me back and asked me to come down and play for Trevor one night at Ocean Way studios. I did, and played on a few tracks. I think Seal really liked my playing and wanted Trevor to hear me, but Trevor seemed to have other plans for who was going to play bass, even before I played anything. Later that night Seal and I left the studio and went to Hollywood Athletic Club to play pool. During that time he broke it to me that, in so many words, Trevor had vetoed me. I was disappointed but again, totally understood. This is the nature of creativity, art and business.
 * I added that section because, and certainly partially out of self-interest, I thought it was an interesting small piece of Seal's story. When my section was later removed, I just assumed that either Seal, Steve, Trevor or someone else in Seal's camp didn't want it there, and I totally respect that.
 * I tell you this for your personal interest only and can't give you my blessings to re-add the section, if that was your hope or intention. I don't assume that was your intention, but just wanted to go on the record in case. -Kirk 2601:640:C980:1770:91D7:7CAC:C71D:5092 (talk) 07:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh my goodness, this is so amazing to hear! I thought maybe I’d hear back, but had no idea that you were someone who was actually involved in this! Well, I guess I owe you an explanation that I’m the one who eventually removed the section, since it didn’t have any sources and sounded rather similar to a case with Dave Matthews Band shelving a set of sessions they recorded with Lillywhite (which were leaked and eventually re-recorded for the album Busted Stuff. I feel bad about removing the section now, and would be happy to re-add it if you want. I also want to say thank you for shedding light on this. I’ve been curious about it for years now but have been unable to find much info on it; googling “Lillywhite sessions” always leads to the aforementioned case with Dave Matthews Band; it also doesn’t help that Seal recorded a set of sessions in the early 2000s that was a fully realized album that ended up getting shelved.

I feel really honored to have had the opportunity to talk to someone who played on these sessions, and again, I’m really sorry I removed the info about them. I’m also curious if you ever heard any of the resulting music, and if so, how it compared to Seal’s other work. Anyways, thank you so much for taking the time to respond! :) 73.109.80.152 (talk) 06:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It's better the section is left out. In hindsight, when I initially wrote it, I hadn't fully considered that there may be legal and/or political reasons the Lillywhite sessions have not been discussed much anywhere. If Seal or his managers wanted it in there, they would have written about it.
 * I'm glad you did your due diligence but I respectfully ask that you do not add it back to Wikipedia and cite me as a source. I am proud of my involvement but I don't want to insert myself into Seal's, Trevor's or Lillywhite's stories, as it were.
 * -Kirk Kirkbross (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2023 (UTC)