User talk:Kirok/Pendant Productions

=General= Kirok,

Did you listen to the latest TWIP? I think if the numbers of downloads per month were in the description on the top of the page, it would be proof of notoriety.

If you add that and try posting it again - we can start the fight over Brendan 00:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't mate, no, but the problem is that it is just a matter of degree. Download figures that are impressive are only impressive if people see them - what the Wikipedians are talking about is that the notability needs to come from either mainstream media or from commentators outside Pendant at the very least.


 * I run most of the Fan Production stuff on TrekUnited and I've arranged with Jeff, Eric Busby and, hopefully, Jim Caswell from ST: Eras and someone from ST: Unity to take part in a major event on TrekUnited that will include a forum thread, publicity on the TrekUnited NewsDesk, and a Live Chat around the 20th of the month with everyone online and prizes/giveaways. This will be followed by a transcription on the forum, a front page article in HFO and a re-write of this article to include all Trek fan audio groups, splitting them from the ST: Fan productions article they are on right now.


 * It will mean reducing the content here, intially i would take out the episode descriptions and see how that looks. However it might mean taking out all the episode references other than, in Pendants' case ST: Defiant.


 * This is the first step towards expanding the representation of Fan audio dramas in Wikipedia, once we have this accepted it would lay the ground work for individual articles on the seperate production groups. However just resubmitting the same content will leave us open to exactly the same opposition. I'm confident that material will come to light during the coming event that will give us the notability we need to make this stick as a general article. ... and the only person who is not welcome to contribute is Brynsee! Cheers --Kirok of L&#39;Stok 10:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a more comprehensive listing - ok, it's mostly templates but it'll give you the idea. Unfortunately it is still WAY too big! Even the contents is too big! What we need is some sort of Infobox (see right at the end) similar to the television infobox used by New Voyages. Perhaps we could have one made up as a dedicated audio drama infobox.--Kirok of L&#39;Stok 01:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Found an InfoBox that might be suitable, the Template:Infobox_Radio_Show put it in at the start. For brevity, I've left out | other_names| syndicates| television| presenter| narrated| endtheme| executive_producer| runtime | starring. This will be right wrapped giving a heap of space on the left for information. Along the left hand edge, I'll have the body of the section startimng with a brief description followed by a wikitable that shows the actors and episode list with other info below it.
 * It would be good if i could make the Infobox generally smaller than the cast list so that the episode list is not cramped up - took out | audio_format| opentheme| record_location - pretty certain this will be in the country of origin and none originate from professional studios (do they?).
 * Questions: Can I change the order of the fields in the InfoBox? Can i leave out or change the names of the fields? is there some way of standardising its width?--Kirok of L&#39;Stok 02:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikitables seem flexible see here - I would especially like to make the title a fixed column width so that the titles don't wrap

Images for the InfoBoxes
Can anyone give us a link to instructions on how to place images on wikipedia? That Defiant image didn't work and we need to have an image for all of them in their info box. bear in mind that the Wiki admins are sticky about having confirmation that the image is used with permission from the copyright owner (in this case Pendant prod's)--Kirok of L&#39;Stok 11:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

i uploaded the defiant wallpaper again. but it says "may qualify for speedy deletion" simply for the fact that i said the creator gives permission for the image to be used to "non-commercial and educational purposes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload <-- that's the page for uploading images Brendan 19:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Got some good feedback on my talk page on how to set the images up so that they have a fair use rationale

Drastic re-think
After the recent aggressive attack by WikiCommandos on the Star trek Fan Productions article It is obvious that this article as it stands would be hit badly. The problem is that the WikiScholars cannot see the notability to the fan productions that those of us who are involved with them can ... and since this is their home we have to acknowledge their rules. I'm going to archive a copy of this as it stands today on my hard drive - other users could do so as well if they wish - and I'll try another format.

Their attack is based on two things ...


 * They insist on notability, and they only recognise mainstream, public notability not - as I have tried to make a case for - notability within the scope of the article that the entry lies in. This means that if Star Trek audio dramas are not notable to the outside world then the individual entries will have even less WikiNotability.


 * They are getting anal retentive about sources and again are making it hard by stipulating what sources are acceptable and which are not. They are saying that a link to a production's website is only permisable to establish that it exists and that everything on it is inadmissable because it is assumed to be self-advertisement and not Neutral Point of View (NPOV). What they want are inks to commercial, professional or scholarly journalism or publications but even here they have stipulations that knock out a large chunk of the media. they don't allow ...
 * Forum posts
 * Material from Fan websites (I'm working on them about Trekunited)
 * Blogs
 * In fact, anything which is self-published.

That is going to make it really hard to make an article that sticks! i'm going to rewrite the article as two pages ...


 * The first page is an essay type of text-based article that addresses the aspects of notability of Star trek audio dramas. By making notability the primary focus of the article it should survive an AFD even if the individual entries might get mauled.


 * This will be supported by a list page that, at least to start with, only has one thing: the hyperlinked name of the production. No blurb or any other information, although the year/s of the start and finish of the production could be admissable. List pages like these exist but are often used for trivial things like lists of plants mentioned in Star trek or other trivia. However i think using it as a link from Wikipedia to the productions home pages is going to be the best that we can expect.

If a production group gets enough WikiNotability behind it then we could start an independant article on it.--Kirok of L&#39;Stok 22:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Article Pre-release schedule
OK - This is close to being as far as I can go by myself, I think users can see what i am trying to set up here from this. --Kirok of L&#39;Stok 02:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The course of action from this point in is going to be ...

Invite production groups to contribute
Jim from ST: Eras has been working on his section and i am going to give the other productions the same chance to add or edit their entries and take part in the discussion of regarding the makeup of the article

Invite Wikipedia experts to critique
To save heartbreak later on with swift deletion tags, I'm going to ask for critique from Wikischolars at the pre-release stage. I fully expect that we will need to cut the size of the entries down but I would like to see if we can do this without loosing too much functionality

Get graphics and permissions
The process for adding graphics to entries is stringent but not impossible - I want to do it all at the same time and get the paperwork checked before releasing the article.

Transfer the article from talkspace to Wikipedia
Pop the champagne corks, drink the bloody wine and smash the bottle over the article as we watch it slide down the ramps into Wikipedia.

Withdraw Audio dramas from Fan productions article
Duplication of the material is redundant so it might as well come out of the fan productions article. Setup the links to the new article in all the related articles

=Star Trek Fan audio dramas (The article)=

Inspired in part by the success of a long-running series of audio adventures produced by Big Finish Productions in the United Kingdom based upon Doctor Who, similar audio series based upon characters and situations from Star Trek have been launched. Unlike the Doctor Who productions &mdash; which are produced under license by the rights holders of the Doctor Who property, the BBC &mdash; these Star Trek audio series are not similarly licensed by Paramount. It is worth noting, however, that the Doctor Who audios were not initially licensed by the BBC, although this was when they were produced on an amateur rather than a professional basis, as has been the case since 1999.

Cast members record their parts of each script on their personal computers, and send those parts to the director who mixes the dialogue with sound effects to create audioplays. The resultant product is similiar to old time radio dramas, though everything is recorded at home rather than in a professional studio. Unfortunately, this shows in the final quality of the productions. Actors, writers, directors and producers are not paid for their work.

Crossroads
This series, from Darker Projects, was a spin-off from what was to become The Section 31 Files, at that time called Star Trek-Dark Horizon, and is a crossover venture into the Star Wars universe. In it, the crew of the Federation Runabout Enforcer find themselves trapped in an alternate universe - will they ever find a way back to their own reality? The series currently exists in two incarnations - the first, a two episode arc in which two Star Trek characters found themselves in the Star Wars universe, while the second was an episode of The Section 31 Files, in which the Section 31 starship Nosferatu travels to the Star Wars universe via a dimensional rift. While up to four episodes in the series were originally mooted, no definite production plans are now current.
 * Cast


 * Episode List

Considerable interest has always been shown on the Star Wars forums at the possibility of a Star Trek / Star wars crossover. For more information about Darker Projects, see Star Trek: The Section 31 Files below

Star Trek: Defiant
Pendant Productions originated with the desire to make Defiant although their first production was a Superman serial after its founder and executive producer, Jeffrey Bridges, decided to focus on producing radio serials similar to those of the '30s and '40s but modernized for today's audiences. It has now added original productions and a weekly podcast to their fan based shows.

Star Trek: Defiant originated as a text based story in 1995 and shares some of the same voice talents with the Darker Projects productions. The show is set on the USS Defiant with a new crew after the end of the Deep Space Nine television series. Released on a monthly schedule, the show aims to keep an authentic and honest 'Trek' feel whilst exploring new avenues and ideas in the universe that has existed for over forty years.

The first two episode arcs "Ailing Spirt" and "Wounded Heart" are written and directed by Jeffrey Bridges. The third episode arc "Rejuvenated Core" is written by Jeffrey Bridges and directed by Chris Brittain. The fourth and all subsequent arcs to date are written by Theresa J McGarry and directed by Chris Brittain.


 * Cast


 * Episode List


 * Other Fan-based Shows

Ongoing monthly serial adventures based on the modern incarnation of the characters in DC Comics. "Batman: The Ace of Detectives" In February 2007, it was selected to be a featured podcast in the TV & Film category on iTunes. "Superman: The Last Son of Krypton" Ryan H. Nelson, star of "Superman: The Last Son of Krypton", was interviewed on Superman news show Radio KAL (episode 5) specifically about his roles as Superman/Clark Kent and Jimmy Olsen: http://www.supermanhomepage.com/multimedia/Radio/radio-kal005.mp3 http://www.supermanhomepage.com/multimedia/multimedia.php?topic=radio-kal "Wonder Woman: Champion of Themyscira"

Feature-length adventures based on movie franchises "James Bond: To The End" "Indiana Jones and the Well of Life"


 * Original Productions

"Umket Industries Presents: The Dixie Stenberg and Brassy Battalion Adventure Theater" is an original, ongoing, monthly sci-fi serial adventure patterned after the classic radio theatre shows of the 40s and 50s, specifically the aerial adventure dramas like Captain Midnight, Hop Harrigan, Adventures by Morse and Speed Gibson. "The Kingery" is a full-cast, ongoing sci-fi serial drama. "Seminar" is a full-cast, ongoing anthology show with no restrictions on genre.


 * Podcasts

"This Week In Pendant" is a weekly round-up of Pendant's shows, featuring news, interviews, casting calls and generally more than you probably ever wanted to know about Pendant Productions.


 * In the media

On August 9, 2006, Star Trek: Defiant was featured on the cover of "Hailing Frequencies Open" Vol. 2 Issue 3."Hailing Frequencies Open" is the newsletter of TrekUnited.com. The issue included an interview about Defiant as a new Trek based radio drama.


 * On the air

Pendant shows have aired on CHLY-FM radio in Canada and are currently featured on "The Pendant Audio Power Hour" on KTDR-FM in Del Rio, Texas, every Sunday night. Clips from "James Bond: To The End" were featured on the program "Saturday Live" on BBC4 radio. Pendant shows may soon be broadcast on a radio station in New Zealand, but it is not finalized yet.


 * Peer review

Pendant Founder and Creator Jeffrey Bridges was invited to The Fan Audio Summit 2007, and interviewed. More information and the interview are availible at the following URLs.
 * http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=9490
 * http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TS-5646.mp3


 * External links


 * Pendant Productions
 * Star of The Last Son of Krypton interviewed on Radio KAL
 * Pendant in Hailing Frequencies Open

Star Trek: Eras
Star Trek: Eras is a multi-generational audio series, spanning through the entire history of Star Trek. Told from the perspective of Admiral Evori, an El-Aurian who has been a part of Starfleet since the beginning, each story can range from his "present" place in time following the conflict with the Romulans (as depicted in Star Trek: Nemesis) to his experiences with humans during their explorations using Warp-5 engines (the time period established in the Star Trek: Enterprise series).

This Star Trek continues Gene Roddenberry's utopian vision of the future. While the crews may face threats from outside forces, and a few rogue officers may prove to be corrupt, the overall society is peaceful and strives for harmony. With the Dominion War finished and peace talks finally starting with the Romulan Star Empire, the Federation eagerly embraces its original purpose of seeking out new life and new civilizations through space exploration.

As with any endeavor, difficulties will arise, and Admiral Evori knows that the answers to present problems are often found in the past. He uses his first-hand knowledge of Starfleet's history to teach and lead through tales of adventures past.

Eras revolves around four generations within the Star Trek universe: The Challenger crew serves during what would have been the fifth - seventh seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise; USS Potemkin is in service during The Original Series (and is actually mentioned in passing several times in the show); USS Iliad is a contemporary ship of the Enterprise-D during Star Trek: The Next Generation; and Deep Space Five and its flagship - the USS Aurora - are set in the timeframe following Star Trek: Nemesis.

As of March 1, TimeWell Electronic Recording Productions has finished their first episode and have begun working on Episode two.


 * Cast


 * Episode List


 * More information about TWERP

TimeWell Electronic Recording Productions also produces non-Star Trek material. They currently have an ongoing podcast covering various forms of media entitled TWERPcast. They have also begun production on a second radio drama based on James Taylor's online comic book, IMWAN 4.


 * In the media

The second episode of TWERPcast, covering the use of superheroes in film entitled "HeroCast: The Movies" was featured on Comics2Film.com.


 * On the air
 * Peer review
 * External links

Star Trek: Foundation
Star Trek: Foundation is a mini-series of four fully-cast audio dramas. Set in the late 24th century shortly after the finale of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, it follows the adventures of the crew of the USS Foundation, a small Nova-class science vessel that is part of the Federation’s newest battlefleet. Foundation was created by Steve Mollmann and is hosted on the website of Robbie Chastain's Star Wars radio show, Star Wars and Beyond. Four episodes are currently available.


 * Cast


 * Season 1 Episode List

For more information
 * In the media
 * On the air
 * Peer review
 * External links

Star Trek: Pioneers
Debuting in 2003, this series followed the crew of the starship USS Pioneer. During a routine exploration mission, the Federation discovered a gateway to the other side of the galaxy, finding a new frontier waiting to be discovered. The Pioneer led the exploration of this new area of space, and everything it had to offer. In March 2005, it became part of the Darker Projects family, and as of February 2007, seven episodes have been produced, and it's creator, Kevin Cho, has sent out the lines for the next episode breaking Pioneers short hiatus.


 * Cast


 * Season 1 Episode List

For more information about Darker Projects, see Star Trek: The Section 31 Files below
 * In the media
 * On the air
 * Peer review
 * External links

Star Trek: The Section 31 Files
The Section 31 Files is an audio series by Darker Projects that visits the darker side of the Federation, set on a starship that defended the Federation against dangers from which it is unable to protect itself from. The series depends on voice talents from across the globe for the production. As of March 2007, it is now in the third season, and 27 episodes have been produced.


 * Cast


 * Season 1 Episode List


 * Season 2 Episode List


 * Season 3 Episode List


 * Other Fan-based Shows


 * Original Productions


 * Podcasts


 * In the media


 * On the air


 * Peer review


 * External links

Star Trek: Lost Frontier
Set about 10 years after the ending of Star Trek: The Section 31 Files, this new series by Darker Projects tells the story of a new crew on a new Enterprise, trying to help reconstruct the Federation and the values that it stood for after the cataclysmic crash of interstellar civilisation.


 * Cast


 * Season 1 Episode List

For more details of Darker projects see under "Star Trek: The section 31 Files" above.

Star Trek: Unity
Set about 12 years after the founding of the Federation Star Trek: Unity focuses on the crew of the USS Unity and their exploration of a region of space not seen before in any other Trek incarnations. The series will feature all-new characters and production is currently under way on their first episode "Disunity" and is expected to be released in 2007. It was announced on Jun 24 that they had signed up well known professional Kurt Carley, familiar to Star Trek fans as Captain Christopher Pike in the fan film “Star Trek: New Voyages” episode, ‘In Harms Way’.


 * Cast


 * Season 1 Episode List


 * Other Fan-based Shows

These audio-only episodes or "audiosodes" were created to utilise the pre-production groundwork laid for the Star Trek: Unity animation, a projected Half Life2 machinima series. The audio dramas are a prequel to the continuity of the video project and use the same Voice Actors.
 * Original Productions Nil
 * Podcasts Nil
 * In the media

Slice of Sci-Fi, 24 Jun 2007 - "Fan Production Unity Snags Carley"
 * On the air Nil
 * Peer review Nil
 * External links Nil

Star Trek: Archimedes
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Star Trek: Renegades
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