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 * tragic events, it also discusses some positive outcomes that are relevant even in the 21st century . The main focus of the story is the possibility of genetic memory from DNA being

Origins:Discovery
"Removed deletion proposal as this is objectionable given the notable, topical and controversial subjects covered in the novel - reference to these issues is now added to the preview"...This is nonsense. I would not argue that the events portrayed may be notable, but there is no evidence that the novel itself is.TheLongTone (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

"Hi TheLongTone. I understand that you have a tough task weeding out the people that wish to abuse Wikipedia, and I respect your call completely if that is what your professional decision is because of that. However may I make a couple of points please? Firstly, I guess you haven't read the novel and viewed our data, as you may have noticed that we have had intense interest in it from around the world, with over 11,500 Facebook 'likes' and support from the Armenian government (I can have the ministry contact you if you would like). I guess you're probably intensely busy but if you read the novel you would see that it foretells the possibility of a ground-breaking visit by the Turkish Prime Minister to finally recognize the Armenian Genocide. I don't mind scholars such as yourself debating whether the novel is notable or not based on the possibility of it playing a small part in the political discussion that may finally bring peace between these nations after a hundred years of animosity, but please consider for just a moment what that might mean for millions of people. Please also recall that in the past any film or literary work involving the Genocide has invariably resulted in extreme adverse political reactions, death threats and even executions of authors on this subject from certain quarters, so the very suggestion of a Turkish leader apologizing is highly controversial. If that isn't notable and the fact my personal safety is on the line then I guess I'll never be able to convince until the worst happens. Finally, would you kindly please not use belittling comments as you did in responding to my earlier justification as I'm not even Armenian and just trying to do my best for a troubled part of the world. As I said I totally respect your work and the amazing effort by all administrators. Thanks for the opportunity to respond. Kiwiodysee (talk) 21:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but the wikipedia rules nevertheless stipulate that a work of fiction has to have generated enough coverage in independant sources to establish notability. If this happens in the case of this bookk, all well and good but without such attention it cannot be considered notable however worthy the cause.TheLongTone (talk) 22:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

That's cool TheLongTone, we've got to respect the rules, no argument with that. I just wanted you to understand that notability does not necessarily equal selling a large number of copies or whatever - in this case the work is notable from the beginning because it is part of the important historical political discussion that you could not be aware of unless you speak Armenian and live in Armenia (we were going to do an Armenian language page but no good now). The Wikipedia outreach would have been a small but important support to that process in a world burning with fire right now. Anyway thanks again for the discussion, and we'll sorry to distract you from your ongoing work. Kiwiodysee (talk) 03:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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