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Article Evaluation
Buddhist vegetarianism -- This article is very receptive and improperly cited. In checking the sources listed, more than half are no longer available for view or from a seemingly unreliable/non-credible source. The author could have done a much better job at presenting the information in a more credible way simply by improving the sources. On the talk page, another wikipedia user brought up the fact that the author seems to be jaded about the topic of vegetarianism and I would have to agree there as well. Also the page set-up could have been neater.

Adding Citations: Unclean Animal -- the claim "On the other hand, in Islamic tradition there are many animals that are not considered good for eating, and therefore haraam. These include lions, tigers, eagles, crows, vultures, kites and scorpions.[citation needed] Fish and other seafood are allowed (even if not properly slaughtered),[36] as are camel and rabbit meat. Any animal with claws is forbidden to be eaten by a Muslim." needs to be cited. I found this on the Halal Monitoring Committee's website that does a find job of citing it: http://www.halalhmc.org/DefintionOfHalal.htm and added the citation appropriately.

Week 5: Article Editing
halal and kosher meat — ethical pushback today? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal To this article I would perhaps edit in a section to include modern-day ethics in regard to Halal slaughter vs. Humane Slaughter. Temple Grandin, a forerunner in the advancements of Humane Slaughter and ethical meat production has shared interesting findings about animal welfare and meat quality— even pushing back on Halal and Kosher slaughter as unethical and uncomfortable for the animal itself.

christian cuisine— starvation is virtue? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist To this article, specifically the history section, I think an interesting addition would be a bit of history on the women saints and how they used the Eucharist as their diet, essentially, as a means of salvation for their people. Their starvation, or abstinence of all food other than the Eucharist, allowed them to rise to this position of sainthood, as they fell on the extreme opposite of gluttony (a deadly sin). Klicausi (talk) 13:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

IDEAS
I think I want to do my final project on Morality and Food as I think, in (especially religious) cuisine development, morals played a pretty hefty part, even if it is a very mentalist way of thinking. Even today food morality is a BIG THING and I just feel it’s be a really interesting topic to cover. I have other ideas that i’ll add in in a bit, but this one really SPEAKS to me, y’know? Klicausi (talk) 17:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Christian_dietary_laws — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klicausi (talk • contribs) 18:53, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Other ideas: - Nutritional Composition of the Buddhist diet (or even the Early Christian Diet because yIkeS) - Disease States related to Nutrition in early Cuisines? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klicausi (talk • contribs) 18:34, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

MORALITY + FOOD IN CHRISTIAN CUISINE (OR MAYBE JEWISH CUISINE) (NOPE DEFINITELY CHRISTIAN CUISINE I WANT TO ADD TO THE EUCHARIST ARTICLE THAT I MENTIONED ABOVE) (I THINK--OR I'M PRETTY SURE)

WOMEN AND THE EUCHARIST (THIS IS IT) (I assigned myself to the Eucharist article and I'm going to add a section specifically about The Women and the Eucharist, meaning mostly the saintly women and how they used the Eucharist and their body as salvation, etc. etc. etc. I'm excited.)

THE REAL DEAL TOPIC
Section to add: Women and The Eucharist to The Eucharist Page.

To The Eucharist wikipedia page I plan to add a section dedicated to the women of the Eucharist--or women AND the Eucharist in genera--as the page currently does not mention women at all, and as chronicled in history, women saints and priestesses have utilized the Eucharist in unique ways to grant salvation to their people. There have been several saints and holy women who have used the Eucharist as their only sustenance--most of these women lived during the middle ages, however, I did find an article on a woman, Marthe Robin, who ate nothing but the bread and wine for 50 years--consuming only Christ. In the middle ages, women saints did this to heal their followers, people in their community, and provide salvation by way of their sacrifice. Sacrifice is a huge idea here--and I plan to explore it.

Sources: - Bynum, Caroline Walker, "Fast, Feast, and Flesh: The Significance of Food to Medieval Women" - https://ejournals.bc.edu/ojs/index.php/lumenetvita/article/view/5711 DIS-MEMBERING AND RE-MEMBERING: THE EUCHARIST AND THE SUFFERING OF WOMEN by Megan Loumagne - http://www.jstor.org/stable/43246658?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents Women, Theology and the Eucharist by Chris Williams - https://aleteia.org/2017/03/11/marthe-robin-her-only-sustenance-for-more-than-50-years-was-the-holy-eucharist/

OUTLINE I. women and the eucharist A. long, complicated history — eucharist as experience of christian hope — act of taking part in persecution of Christ but also salvation in Him — traditionally, women more devout than men but left out of more religious things — v into communion as experience, representation, etc. 	B. Female Saints — some consumed only the eucharist— “holy starvation” —female body traditionally viewed as inherently healing,nurturing, etc. —performed miracles in this practice —fasting = bringing oneself closer to God, Eucharist not seen as food and so some fasted life-long and only took in Jesus Christ C. women unhappy w/ social status and patriarchal treatment often used religious fasting to get out of imposed obligations, which is kinda really clever, like u go medieval women D. less women given a voice in religion period, in some sects of christianity they are not even able to administer the Eucharist, so it’s v interesting how important it came to be to women in particular. ————————————————————————————————————————	Women, though traditionally excluded from the administration of the Eucharist, own an intricate history in relation to the religious practice, in spirituality and physicality. In an article, published by Boston College’s school of Theology and Ministry, author Meagan Loumangne attests “taking the Eucharist is an experience of Christian hope.” [insert some more things about why this is important for women— like women are typically more devout than men but are really barred from high religious positions in most churches bc they are women and apparently Jesus didn’t like the ladies???)] Women, Manipulation, and the Eucharist {Fast, Feast, and Flesh}	In the middle ages and early renaissance, it was common for women to be the sole feeders of the family—they bough the food, cooked the food, and served the food. Typically, they were also the educators—the women taught their daughters home tasks and their sons basic manners, and really instilled religious values into their children, either intentionally or just by-proxy-ly. As the intellectual boom really started to take hold across europe (age of enlightenment) the men got even more insufferable and so women became more devout in their faith—they’d fast for religious reasons as a way to slip out of home-making tasks, consume only the eucharist so jesus christ could do extra work inside of them—better christians. but also more noble tasks—like salvation for others. marthe the venerable — lived only on the eucharist for 50 years. she healed so many people. like 1000s of people a year would go visit her and ask for a blessing or a prayer. and that’s really neat. Consuming the Eucharist—consuming the body and blood of Christ—became an act of empowerment for women in a religious practice that often sought to oppress them. It was a way to express their faith publicly and privately, provide education for their children, and manipulate their personal situations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klicausi (talk • contribs) 00:18, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

the end my friends
Hi hello, it was my intent to add a more sources following your comments but time got away from me and between studying and exams and papers and projects I forgot to add the stuff that I had also found (definitely took on too much this semester oops). I spent more time on this project that I have on any other project in my life and I'm proud of the outcome regardless!!!!!!

But if I had had time to write in the new stuff I would have included a small discussion about how medieval women actually saw themselves as the Body of Christ and therefore had a greater understanding of the sacramental value of the the Eucharist: "two dimensions of medieval women's experience of the Eucharist: first, that medieval women saw themselves as the Body of Christ, and, second, that the Body of Christ was not limited to historical descriptions. That is, medieval women understood the real presence not only in the strict sacramental sense, but as located in their own bodies. Their understanding of the presence of the Body of Christ extended far more broadly than the historical body of Christ or that of the consecrated elements."

In the same journal article, Susan Ross revisits women's communities like the Benedictine women who feel that the necessity of a male outsider to preside over the Eucharist is both a source of frustration and insult. Especially as they explicitly understand the Eucharist differently; rather than a sacrifice, women tend to view the Eucharist as "a time of hospitality and community building." ("This emphasis on hospitality was strong among all the interviewees, and they stressed the need to get to know all of the members of their parishes, as much as possible, and for all of the parish community to do the same.")

This would both support the discussion of the Benedictine women (as they all seem to feel the same) and the discussion of Lidwina and Marthe.

I also wanted to include a Catholic Church reasoning for excluding women from presiding over the Eucharistic ceremony but it's literally because Christ was a man and therefore Men are more like Christ or y'know--- whatever.

And I couldn't necessarily work this in but Bynum also mentions that medieval women would sometimes use their piety to get out of household responsibilities ("I can't clean today--I'm fasting/repenting/praying/observing the sacrament!") and I think that is so rad and funny. And I think that really speaks to the overall notion that women's relationship with religion is super knotted and interwoven into the encompassment of their daily lives, which really emphasizes the irony in that the Church is rather oppressive and exclusionary in regard to women. (I want to say this was in Jesus as Mother by Bynum!)