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Nuttall's oak
Hi Kmanblue: I was just checking on the status of the discussion of the Q. texana-common name issue, and I see that you have already made the change. Many thanks. Pinethicket (talk) 09:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I had originally had Nuttall's Oak as the common name, but someone changed it and when you brought it up on the discussion page and I added my thoughts, I changed it back since we were in agreement. Kmanblue (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Charlie T. Black
I saw that you added his DOB and DOD. I'm not disputing or doubting it, I'm just curious as to where you found this info? Jrcla2 (talk) 15:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I knew he died back in 1988 and thought he was from Illinois and this article (http://www2.kusports.com/news/1992/jan/26/endacotts_blacks_jerseys/) about when his number was retired states that he was from Alton, IL as well as him dying in 1988 confirming what I thought I knew. I was able to find him in the social security death index and then matched that up with the California death index, which had the specifics of the date and city of where he was born and died. I also found him in the 1910, 1920, and 1930 US censuses which back up his reported birth date and location from the California death index. Upon looking again at the info, I realize I made a mistake on the city he died and I'll correct that now. Kmanblue (talk) 18:29, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I just thought I'd add that his middle name is also revealed in multiple sources I mentioned, and I wonder if that should be included in the page on him or not? What do you think? Kmanblue (talk) 18:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Definitely. The more information on any biographical article, the better. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Cuban oak
Our sources agree that Richard came up with the name Q. cubana and Nuttall came up with the name Q. sagraeana, but I am not totally sure which was published first now. For example, I followed Muller (1955, "The origin of Quercus on Cuba". Revista de la Sociedad Cubana de Botánica 7: 41–47) who cites Nuttall (1842) as earlier than Richard (1853), but you are citing Richard (1841). There is probably confusion due to multiple volumes and editions of Nuttall's and Richard's works, so the correct name will depend on which volume/edition includes the Cuban oak first. I do not have access to the original books necessary to formally resolve this issue. If you have any additional information, please let me know. Thanks! Paul.gugger (talk) 18:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

A quick Google search reveals that Quercus cubana is mentioned in "Tomo XI" (p. 230, year 1850?) of Richard: http://archive.org/stream/mobot31753000317229#page/2/mode/2up, and that volume references volume 2 from 1845: http://archive.org/stream/histoirephysique02sagr#page/n7/mode/2up. I am not totally sure that 1845 is the first year that particular volume with Q. cubana was published, so your date of 1841 is still possible. Meanwhile, I found an early edition of Nuttall's work published in 1853: http://archive.org/stream/cihm_39431#page/n5/mode/2up, and Google searching reveals references to Nuttall's work published in 1842 in various catalogues of libraries and lists of authors (e.g. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=P2oLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1445&dq=north+american+sylva+1842&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oXKMT4XSFObXiQL1__H8Cw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=north%20american%20sylva%201842&f=false). I cannot be certain which are the earliest dates of each work, so I defer to Muller (1955). However, it seems possible that Muller (1955) and I reversed the dates for Richard's and Nuttall's works and thus gave precedence to the wrong nomenclature. Paul.gugger (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Wylie G. Woodruff
Kmanblue, nice work expanding the Wylie G. Woodruff article. One thing to avoid, which you used a lot, is the subjunctive mood. "Woodruff played football" is much better than "Woodruff would play football". There's no doubt about this history. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * What? Me fail English? That's unpossible! (I hope you've watched the Simpsons for the reference!) Thanks for the compliment and the tip. I tend to slip into that "trap" a bit and some make it through to my final edit.Kmanblue (talk) 02:54, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get the reference. I used to be a regular Simpsons watcher.  The "would" construction is one my pet peeves here.  Keep up the good work. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:38, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Kansas coaches
Any chance you can do some researching on Charles Boynton (American football) and Will Coleman? I've done some looking but haven't been able to find anything... – Connormah (talk) 07:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I finally had some time to do some research on him and found some more information that I used to update the page.Kmanblue (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, looks great. I solved Boynton as well, turns out the name that Kansas had in their records was incorrect. – Connormah (talk) 01:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that, and great work there to sleuth out his real name! Once you did that, I found some more info on him and added that to his page as well. I tried not to change what you had written too much, but rather incorporate that into new info I wrote in. Again, check it out and make any changes you think should be made.Kmanblue (talk) 05:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Looks all good! – Connormah (talk) 03:14, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Kansas Jayhawks football; Head coaches section
By deleting my attempt to resolve the issue regarding Coach Weeks, it appears you are acting in bad faith. I really don't want to have to pursue redress by an administrator in the spirit of collaborative cooperation on Wikipedia, but it appears you are guarding an article based on a particular bias. I am going to WP:DISENGAGE for tonight, but I suggest you think about why you are blocking historical content. Eodcarl (talk) 04:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I am cleaning up my talk page. You again made poorly thought out edits lumping your comments in with a separate section about a separate discussion with another user. It was sloppy, difficult to follow and made things confusing. I reserve the right to edit or clean up my personal talk page as I see fit. I gave clear concise reasons for reverting your arbitrary cumbersome edits. I suggest you think about why you feel the need to try and lecture me about my actions on wikipedia or why you're so obsessed with me that you continue to wikihound me and make contentious edits to virtually every wikipedia page you edit. How many editors have you gotten into edit wars with now and how many more controversial/contentious wholesale edits of yours were reverted by other editors recently? Kmanblue (talk) 04:48, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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Kansas Jayhawks football
I noticed you added Tyler Patmon and Andrew Turzilli to the current players in the NFL section. Do not include players that transferred out of Kansas before moving on to the NFL. Only include players that played for KU immediately before their NFL career.-- 717 17:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Why is that? They're both former Jayhawk football players. Both players spent 4 years at KU. Both players have degrees from KU. Both players played the vast majority of their college football at KU. So, explain to me how they're now not former Jayhawk football players just because they chose to play their last year at another school. The list is of former players, not just players who played their final year at KU. I could see the argument if a player only spent a short time at KU and played most of their ball somewhere else, but that's not the case here.

Tyler Patmon
The reason why I removed Kansas in the infobox is because of the college parameter description at Template:Infobox NFL player. It says " used to display the university or college institution that the player attended prior to joining the NFL. If a player attended multiple colleges, usually only the last college team is displayed (usually the one listed on NFL.com)" and Patmon has Oklahoma State listed as his college at his NFL.com profile and his Miami Dolphins player profile.-- 717 06:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Been away a while. To me the language you state, "university or college institution that the player attended prior to joining the NFL", doesn't mean only the immediately prior institution but any or all institutions. There are dozens of NFL player entries on wikipedia with more than 1 school listed in that part of their infobox. Troy Aikman is a good example.Kmanblue (talk) 02:15, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Andrew Turzilli
Per standards, I reverted your edit. Only the last college played for is to be listed in the infobox. Just as it is on NFL.com. Please, do not re-add it. (talk page stalker)  Crash Under  ride  03:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * What's the reasoning behind that? It seems inaccurate and incomplete. The fact that this player spent 4 years at KU. Got his degree at KU. Played 3 of his 4 years of eligibility at KU is worthy of noting KU as 1 of his schools. It comes across as trying to wipe away those 4 years and those 3 years of playing time. It doesn't seem at all encyclopedic to exclude pertinent information. Also, there's dozens of NFL player entries on Wikipedia with more than 1 school listed. Why is that if this is the strangely accepted norm? Troy Aikman is a prime example, though he's obviously retired now.Kmanblue (talk) 03:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Now, I really disagree with your edit after reading up some more on the Template:Infobox NFL biography, where it specifically states, If a player attended multiple colleges, usually only the last college team is displayed (usually the one listed on NFL.com); however, if important to understanding a player's college career history, an additional college team may be included. I believe a player that played 3 of there 4 years of eligibility at 1 school rises to the level of important to the understand a player's college career history. If it doesn't, then I don't know what those words mean.Kmanblue (talk) 03:37, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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