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Tech News: 2023-31
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File:Amy&#39;s Baking Company end.ogv listed for discussion
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Mental Health issue
Also, if you're struggling with mental health why don't you go see a therapist? Rager7 (talk) 21:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * That is a rude and entirely inappropriate message. : 3 F4U (they/it) 23:51, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My apologies, if the text came off as rude and crass, but no offense to him if he really struggles with mental health (as the template above states) he should seek some help. Rager7 (talk) 00:01, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

"Post nut clarity" listed at Redirects for discussion
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 * Also noting here that I just discovered that Post-nut clarity also exists. As consensus was reached at RfD to delete Post nut clarity, I’m presuming deletion of the hyphenated redirect will be uncontroversial, and so I’ve tagged it for speedy deletion. Apologies if I’ve got anything wrong. A smart kitten (talk) 12:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2023-33
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Re: Daikido
I have varying levels of agreement and disagreement with some of the things that you post - I do not know if I could disagree with you any more than the remark you posted at ITN/C regarding Daikido. Maybe you're not at the level of casting aspersions, but you seem to be totally unaware of some of Daikido's other remarks that have been unhelpful to discussion at best, and disruptive at worst. Do you think this is conducive to collaboration? Or this, or this? What does it matter if there isn't a warning on the Talk Page for each one? Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  18:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Also going to loop in if he wanted to continue this discussion here rather than ITN/C, although he might be through with this topic entirely. Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  18:41, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to speak here as it won't derail the original nom; I'll simply reiterate what I finished off with there. Per Knight, and I quote:
 * all of the issues Kip referred to on his talk page are at least a year old
 * The use of a slur in a prior nom occurred last month; the section of the talk page is quite bluntly titled "July 2023." Their oppose vote to blurbing a stabbing attack in Canada because such incidents are common in the US was also less than a year ago. Add in what Walt's linked here, plus the climate change WP:FRINGE and the extremely callous nom comment today, and there's a repeated behavioral pattern with this user ranging from unhelpful to downright disruptive; considering the prior comment about being against "pro-western bias" versus their nom comment today seemingly suggesting non-western events are irrelevant, I might even go so far as to think they're an outright troll.
 * I simply do not see how one can think their behavior to be mundane, or my behavior to be politically-motivated or WP:DEADHORSE. There's genuine stock to the idea that sanctions/ANI might not be a bad idea. The Kip (talk) 19:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , Okay, those do seem fairly off, but I still don't get why we need to start levying ANI threats in a discussion just for what's (especially considering his past comments) just a somewhat bad take (the whole thing about Congo, [which has since been clarified]). Additionally, while somewhat worrying, I'm still not sure how exactly my point doesn't stand; I saw the Canada comments and yes, its technically less than a year ago; it was 11 months ago. To add on to that, he rarely comments on ITN as is. Additionally, are we not allowed to be Anprims anymore? I presume the issue is that Kaczynski killed people, which if he's endorsing, is bad, but there are plenty of folk here on Wikipedia who idolize often evil political ideologues with little to no recourse. Additionally, the wording is too vague to really determine. Also, how many people have expressed this exact same viewpoint on ITN? I'm not someone who believes in that the ends justify the means (for example, a similar case on ITN was, who although I would have TBANed him, I would oppose the specific banning of him since it was based on unfounded, WP:ASPERSION claims of racism) and I think that for all his issues, if we want to take action, we ought to do it for something that actually matters.
 * Pinging for further input. —  Knightof  theswords  15:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I just like freedom of speech, that's all. I know many people here don't, but that's just one of those west-east or even developed/developign world dichotomies that exist in 2023 wherein people in the third world love the idea and so many people in the first want as much censorship as possible on every issue because they feel like their feelings get hurt if someone expresses a worldview that's 0.00001% different from theirs. Just look at the whole transgender insanity where people in the US are willing to kill each only to allow children to visit drag queen sex shows or whatever. Absolutely insane. Shame Wikipedia is increasingly like that too, you'd think people would be smarter here and smarter people would know why censorship is a bad thing both morally and materialistically, especially in the long term. Daikido (talk) 16:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Read the above and think again about whether this user is a living embodiment of WP:FRINGE. The Kip (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

WP:ITN
I have to say that your recent content at WP:ITNC is becoming disruptive. It doesn't make much difference that you did the small courtesy of hatting a portion of it; if you feel the need to spend 3,000 bytes of text to complain and WP:SOAPBOX against another editor or a group of editors while sprinkling in uncivil language to make your point (to say nothing about comparing editors to monkeys or apes), please consider doing so outside of an individual nomination. Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  12:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I actually want to thank you. I was upset by the personal attack in the thread above, and the general state of ITN. Sadly, it's obvious that a true crime story involving babies and a blonde haired and blue eyed nurse will have international traction. My You Tube is full of pop psychology on this case, and its cheap sensational television. It's nothing to do with the UK-basis of the article - its just lowest common denominator stuff. I raised the geographical issue as the people concerned would have complained if it had been a US true crime story. I'm in the UK myself. Secretlondon (talk) 19:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @Secretlondon: Admittedly, you do have a point that it was an unusually and harshly WP:BITEY comment from Jayron, and I can't defend it nor do I want to. You deserved better treatment. I just think that certain dirty laundry is best hung behind the scenes rather than in open view. Everybody ought to do their part in improving the atmosphere at ITN/C to be more collaborative and less mud-wrestling. Myself included. Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  23:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @WaltCip I apologize spilling all that beef out into the open; I had a bad day and seeing the comment just set me off. I really think that we should really get off our asses and start being a little more combative on ITN; not in the manner of WP:SOAPBOX material like me or Jayron's comment, but in actively combating such comments. There was a proposal on WT:ITN about hatting disruptive comments which received unanimous support, but in typical ITN fashion, this was never followed up on. Now their talking about ITN being disbanded and we really need to get our shit together so that the greater community can spare us. I know I've had a certain attitude on ITN, but going forward, I, and the rest of y'all (including ) need to mature and tighten up for the longevity of this project. — Knightof  theswords  15:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Concur 100% with the above. My own actions have been unseemly and rude, and I apologize both to  directly, who did nothing to deserve any vitriol, and to anyone else who I have been directly rude to, as well as a general apology to others that had to read my rudeness.  I have no excuse, and offer no explanation, just an admittance that I was wrong, I should not have done it, and that I will try to do better going forwards.  -- Jayron 32 15:36, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Apology accepted @Jayron32. ITN is pretty dysfunctional currently. Secretlondon (talk) 20:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Tech News: 2023-34
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15:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

"Effective duplicate" OK, happy now
Sorry we clashed there yesterday. When I wrote "next time", though, I meant next time you're trying to close a discussion quickly and there are ramifications for another discussion on the line. It's pretty rare, so there may never be a next time for it. If there is, it won't be me you're up against, so good luck! Anyway, I get how it sucks when Wikipedia aggravates or causes an iffy mental state. Not like you might, probably, but in general. Peace? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Peace. My fault bro, no hard feelings. — Knightof  theswords  04:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:48, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

"Extended Confirmed Protection" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Tech News: 2023-35
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