User talk:Knowitallfortoday

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Clan of Xymox, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Please explain your reasons for deleting text on History: "Confirm timing of original members Wolbert and Nooten leaving Xymox:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clan_of_Xymox&diff=404838810&oldid=404837855

Anka Wolbert (talk) 18:24, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to Clan of Xymox. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clan_of_Xymox&diff=369171196&oldid=369029946

Please note that your revision at 13:09 20 June erroneously deletes reference to Anka Wolbert (for your easy reference to the incorrect deletion, please see below)

17:30, 19 June 2010 In 1982 Anka Wolbert and Ronnie Moorings began making music in The Netherlands under the name Xymox, self-publishing the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1983.

Revision as of 13:09, 20 June 2010 by Knowitallfortoday: Ronny Moorings began making music in The Netherlands under the name Xymox, self-publishing the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1984 also featuring Anke Wolbert on the track Call It Weird. This was the starting point of the band Xymox.

To protect the correct legal copyright of the parties involved, please note the facts below: (this information is also posted on the Discussion page of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clan_of_Xymox)

Anka Wolbert (AKA Anke Wolbert) and Ronny Moorings started Xymox in 1983. Anka Wolbert and Ronny Moorings wrote and self-released the EP "Subsequent Pleasures" in 1984. Pieter Nooten joined the band and became the third songwriter in 1985. Xymox signed to 4AD in 1985 (changing the band's name to Clan of Xymox), and released two albums, "Clan of Xymox" (1985) and "Medusa" (1986). All songs on these albums are jointly written by Anka Wolbert, Pieter Nooten and Ronny Moorings. Under Polygram Clan of Xymox released two albums, "Twist of Shadows" (1989) and "Phoenix" (1991). All tracks on both albums are written by Anka Wolbert and Ronny Moorings, with contributions by Pieter Nooten. After "Phoenix", Anka Wolbert and Pieter Nooten left the band.

Anka Wolbert (talk) 13:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

December 2010
Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 20:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Michael Brook. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw you left this on User talk:Anka Wolbert: "Also you stand warned from being barred." Please don't make such hollow and unjustified threats. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

More Clan
You have made many changes to Clan of Xymox, many of which were not verified, and some of which contradicted the information given in published, reliable sources (starting with the date the band started, for instance). Those edits resulted in this version, which isn't even up to par grammatically. I have undone those changes. What sources you did add (a Billboard article, for instance) I will attempt to reinstate, but going through every individual edit of yours is not a fruitful way to edit. While I appreciate your efforts to improve the article, edits must be based on reliable sources. You cannot simply enter information that contradicts such sources. Unverified information will be removed, especially if such information is not neutral. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * what is to you a reliable source ? an ex band member who pops up after 20 years inactivity and starts editing or the bands current bio and record label ? further all verifications I gave to you but simply ignore them..without any GOOD reason. If you find a mistake just change the mistake but not delete the whole paragraph, that is out of order just the same
 * As I have mentioned to you a few times already, a reliable source is what Wikipedia defines as a reliable source: Identifying reliable sources. The implication that I favor one sets of edits over another is really silly: if you look at what I've added to the article you see that it is all based on published information. Whatever references you have given are not reliable--YouTube videos, Amazon.com links, personal websites, et cetera. Moreover, you persist in adding information that contradicts published information, and in adding things that are simply unencyclopedic (unverified praise). Couple that with the personal attacks you have made to User:Anka Wolberts and to me, and I don't really see why I should even discuss these matters with you--but I do so anyway, and I will continue to engage in discussion. But this edit war on the article, that has to stop. As I have said before, if you want to improve the article, do it according to Wikipedia's policies. If you don't wish to do so, then don't edit here--Clan of Xymox existed long before Wikipedia did, and they don't need it to continue as a band. One final thing: if you have a conflict of interest, as I suspect, then maybe you should declare it. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

January 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Clan of Xymox has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Logan Talk Contributions 00:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As an example of your edits, this one will suffice: you removed a perfectly valid source, and inserted a bunch of unencyclopedic and unverified information like this, "January 2006 the EP" Weak In My Knees", included are remixes of Azoic, Destroid ,Grendel and Siva Six plus a video .followed by the release of the album " Breaking Point" which got again all praise and glory, entered high on all charts possible and imaginable , COX embarked on a further tour , this time operating from Germany, where the album Breaking Point got finished. "--which also isn't in proper English. "Got again all praise and glory"? This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: User talk:Anka Wolbert. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

This is your last warning; the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Clan of Xymox, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ''It is pretty obvious that there is a conflict of interest here, but changing "Moorings" to "Wolbert" is really silly. Whatever oud zeer you are carrying around, Wikipedia is not the place to let it out. Please stop your disruptive editing--stop adding unverified information, removing verified information, making personal attacks on other editors and band members, and adding Amazon (that is, spam) links.'' Drmies (talk) 01:52, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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 * The only reliable and properly documented sources in there are the ones that I added. You use Wikipedia as a reference for a Wikipedia article, and that's against the rules. If you use YouTube to provide evidence, that's not OK since it's a primary source; if it is used to simply link to a video, that is not acceptable here. A biography of a band on the band's or a record label's website is not reliable. I could go on. More than half of what is in this version is simply not notable information, and much of the rest can never stand--there has never been a gothic band in Lima, Peru, until the Clan came by? Who says? The cab driver? Some blog? Drmies (talk) 15:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Regarding this edit: the information is, of course, from a reliable source and it's notable (the topic is, after all, a Dutch singer who sang in English and moved to England). I think the only way to change this is to take up a discussion on the article talk page. In such a content dispute, communication and consensus is the only way out. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 19:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

No other reviews suggest this and therefore you are letting a BIASED VIEW into play. The said article does mention the Northern English accent and being an American he might have felt offended, who knows. To say that you cannot sing SO right as rain instead of proper as right as rain is simply SICK. If you allow this then start editing any modern rock band, let alone RAP etc.for their use of the language or better start with the Cocteau Twins ..this goes too far. I am happy to send you the whole review, tell me where to post it ! talk) So take the said line out as you seem to really let twisted things into the "bio". This way you get rubbish. Look at other pages, not any has or needs as many footnotes as this one. Also when the footnote appears you conveniently erase them.. talk

Knowitall, best to use headings so we can follow. I continue below under the heading "SPIN article and Moorings English" Muso88 (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

SPIN article and Moorings English
Knowitall, unfortunately what you have written is not what is written in the article. In SPIN magazine August 1989, Christian Logan Wright (CLW) writes : "Moorings gets lyrically obtuse because of his limited command of the English language" CLW also writes "Xymox has made heavy synth music, sung with Moorings's approximation of a Northern English accent."

The Clan of Xymox page says "it commented on Moorings' limited knowledge of English". Kowitall, you have changed this edit (more than three times, and without any explanation or discussion on the discussion page); once replacing "Moorings" with "Wolbert" (???), and twice to the mis-quote about Morrings' attempted Northern English accent.

Unfortunately your edit does not match what the journalist wrote. Why does this review bother you so much? Moorings is not a native English speaker - nor were ABBA and lots of people commented on that; it was a well-known fact about them.

Drmies, or some administrator, please can you advise the correct protocol here. It seems a pointless exercise to keep reversing edits regardless of what is written in the article. Muso88 (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Muso, please, let there be no derogatory comments on ABBA. Next thing you're telling me that you always hated the Dolly Dots. Unfortunately, I can't do much more here--I've tried to explain these matters a few times, and I've suggested what I think is the only way out: discussion on the talk page. If Knowitall continues with removing this stuff, at some point it's going to count as disruptive editing, and that will be soon--it's been three times now? Replacing Moorings with Wolbert, that's really vandalism, though I imagine it's more frustration than anything else. Knowitall, this path of editing you're going down is unproductive. It runs counter to Wikipedia's guidelines and policies and only invites more editors to scrutinize your edits. It's your choice: you can help, and make the article better, but you'd have to do that by building consensus (on the article talk page) and by having reliable sources. Or, you can continue, and pretty soon someone might take action, because disruptive editing disrupts the project, and you might find yourself temporarily blocked, with no influence at all on what the article looks like. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Heaven forbid I was being derogatory about ABBA! I am sure I have all their albums. In fact, a lot of people found the coupling of imperfect English with Swedish accents very endearing. But whatever people's view of it all, that's simply how ABBA spoke. A fact is a fact; not a view, after all. Knowitall seems to be insulted on Moorings's behalf by the editor's comment. Probably best if Knowitall doesn't take it so personally - for all any of us know, Moorings might be perfectly happy with the way he speaks English. Muso88 (talk) 23:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

back up posted on http://www.flickr.com/photos/57824173@N05/#photo5322067156 with enough articles to prove the opposite. Moorings was always the spokesman of the band as it seems. The slurring however of Wolbert on " Seventh Time " skin and shit" ( audible on record) and Nootens "Pudding In My Head" on Equal Ways ( audible on the records) you might  take that with in the "article" as well ? In any case I will assist Moorings in this ridiculous attempt to slander him  with a quote from one single reviewer. That would open the door to bash all bands here on Wiki, simply one statement cannot be the demeanor for the whole. Take the NEUTRAL SIDE here, again , this goes too far. [User:knowitallfortoday]] (User talk:knowitallfortodaytalk)
 * You actually HAVE things that can pass as reliable sources. I wish you had come with this earlier. As for the accusation of "slander", that's neither here nor there, of course--dat slaat als een lul op een drumstel. Drmies (talk) 01:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

It's GREAT to see all those old articles, um - Terry? You must have been such a huge fan to file and keep all those articles over all those years! Ronny is going to be so thrilled you have decided to "assist" him. Here's hoping one day he does venture onto the Wiki Xymox page to see for himself. Muso88 (talk) 02:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * HI Knowitall. Uh-oh - some unwelcome news unfortunately. In one of the old newspaper articles you've referenced, the journalist Tom Lanham, in "Dutchman Takes Xymox to Head of Its Class" writes "In halted English and heavy Dutch accent, Moorings, 27, recounts his tale."


 * So it looks like wasn't the only journalist to notice Moorings' difficulties with English - must be quite a noticeable characteristic if they're all commenting on it. So, definitely a fact, not a "biased view" then, I think we can all agree. You've already put those references up so I'll just reference your source re the English problems, and I'll revert your edit.

Muso88 (talk) 02:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

and I will keep reverting yours Knowitallfortoday

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Knowitallfortoday&diff=405817907&oldid=405807612 Muso88 (talk) 11:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Clam of Xymox, you may be blocked from editing. Stop deleting the user discussion about Moorings' limited English Muso88 (talk) 11:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Does Knowitall have an undisclosed COI on the Clan of Xymox page?
Knowitall, if you have a COI on the Clan of Xymox page, you should disclose it. Muso88 (talk) 12:30, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Knowitallfortoday for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Drmies (talk) 00:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

You're being discussed by administrators
Hello Knowitallfortoday. An editor has complained about you at WP:AN3. This noticeboard receives complaints about edit warring. You may respond there if you wish. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 04:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

 * I have changed your block to indefinite, because it appears your account is serving no purpose but to cause disruption and edit warring on Clan of Xymox, as well as the sockpuppetry. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

You are blocked directly and must use unblock for appeals.  Sandstein  16:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * To the future administrator who might consider unblocking: please have a look at the account's very first edit. It is clear to me that this is a single-purpose account, whose purpose is to remove, as much as possible, some of the band members from the article. No doubt this was helped initially by the poor, unreferenced state of the article, but since then reliable sources have been added that establish the facts this account has tried to remove. In essence, their intention seems to have been (besides editing the article in a non-neutral manner to praise the band/Moorings) to rewrite the article to have one band member, Moorings, play a part that excludes the others (esp. Nooten and Wolbert). It is my opinion that if this editor is unblocked, an article space topic ban is called for on the topic of Xymox, narrowly construed to include the band, its albums, and its (former) members. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

These editors have tried to engage with you to discuss, have tried to give you advice on how to reference the article, and have tried to warn you when you overruled their referenced contributions. For some reason you did not take them serious and have landed yourself in this position. Anka Wolbert (talk) 10:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

If you want a biography based on your recollection then you should make a paragraph Anka Wolberts Xymox perhaps? This biography is just too ridiculous for words. I base my biography on articles and sources mentioned and tagged ( which you guys deleted)but see in my talk.

I suggest that all parties step out of this discussion and let an outsider edit the whole biography. This way leads to nothing and I certainly will not take part anymore on this farce called biography and the idiotic manner all is placed and categorized. Also the period 1991 to now, where indeed all credits on albums mention R. Moorings as the sole song / lyric writer you and Dr. Mies are more then happy to delete , leave gaps between album releases , delete events , milestones for the band out of the bio. Racing over Medusa in order to get to Twist Of Shadows where your beloved Imagination is on .Placing a review of Spin as a reliable source tops it all. Since when are reviews facts? This page oozes with opinions and leaves out all the facts. That is my problem with all of you.

You left the band 20 years ago, just accept that fact instead of trying to glorify Imagination as the sole achievement of the band, its just too pathetic for words. That Moorings in my eyes is the most important one is because he still makes music for Clan Of Xymox, get it ?

Like I said, this is it for me over here , I am out , congratulations , I hope you and that Dr.Mies (sic) and see a doctor as you might have a case of amnesia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesia Knowitallfortoday 14:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am an outsider. Anka, no disrespect, but I can't whistle a single Xymox tune... Drmies (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Nor can I, being an outsider too. I think it must all be in his imagination.Muso88 (talk) 22:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Knowitallfortoday for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Marcus  Qwertyus   04:05, 17 May 2011 (UTC)