User talk:KoMaxius

Mic-o-Say
Hi. You are obviously likely connected to the organization, so please disclose that here according to WP:COI. You just dumped a huge mountain of mostly uncited WP:RS original research WP:OR onto an article already filled with warnings against that, and onto somebody else's website which is explicitly against all of that, as if it's their job to host this org's data dump. So please see WP:NOTWEBHOST. The text you dumped was highly elaborate and formatted, so it either came from somewhere copyrighted or you wrote it with in-depth experience. So please disclose any other Wikipedia accounts you have ever had, here. — Smuckola(talk) 08:36, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I am a member of the organization; much of the information I posted was edited from personal experience, the “Redbook” mentioned in the article, or from the websites hosted by the councils. According to your edit notes and from reading Wikipedia’s policies, I agree that the information on my large edit was unfoundedly posted and didn’t align with the purpose of Wikipedia. To the best of my knowledge I have no other accounts. Side note: I did find your comment on your edit about hoping it isn’t a cult pretty funny. KoMaxius (talk) 08:48, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Okay so if you're able to do all this wikicode and even sign your comments, immediately upon creating your first Wikipedia account, then I am amazed at your skills! ;) Yes I often hope lots of things aren't cults, especially closed societies based on performance, especially those based on leadership and involving lots of powerful world leaders, especially those based on shamelessly flagrant cultural appropriation. Wikipedia is a huge cult, and I stay out of that part of it! ;) I would beseech you to find WP:SECONDARY reliable sources about the org, like books and documentaries and I don't know what else. Maybe mentions of its impact on a notable person's life (who already has a Wikipedia biography), as written by a biographer. Forget anything promotional and wanting people to join. Just the coverage of what secondary reliable sources say about it, whether good or bad. — Smuckola(talk) 09:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I’m not even sure what you mean by signing my comments, I think it did that automatically. Figuring out the wiki code was tough, but it was honestly just checking the other parts of the article to reference and repeatedly revising the edit. Mic-O-Say is a society closed for the purpose of mystique, members are always open to discuss details about its “ceremonies” and selection with anyone who isn’t a tribesmen. The purpose of the mystique is for the experience of the youth, however, due to parental concern, the leadership is happy to discuss it with parents and troop leaders. That is the main reason Mic-O-Say inducts adult leaders and parents, to show them every aspect of the “ceremonies” and to ensure open accountability. Anyways, enough of that spergin’ ;) I’ll try to find and add reliable sources! I actually read an article earlier today on JSOTR (https://www.jstor.org/stable/24782525) that indictes the Tribes’ practices. I think it’s an interesting read regarding them and, hopefully, a call to action to the Tribal Leadership to enact programs to rectify the issues written by the research team. KoMaxius (talk) 09:45, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi KoMaxius, thanks for your contributions. One more note – in the future, please don't copy text from other websites into Wikipedia. While we have a process for the copyright holder to verify that their material can be used under a compatibly free license (Donating copyrighted materials), a secondary source would be preferred in this case anyway, as Smuckola points out. Thanks for your understanding. DanCherek (talk) 02:39, 11 August 2022 (UTC)