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Republics
Need your help and/or advice. The British Wikipedian Republican Party sought fit to delete Wikinfo:Classical definition of republic from Wikipedia. There is a terrible brouhaha at Talk:Republic. They won't even allow an external link! SimonP really doesn't know what he is doing. They deleted the Classical definition of republic and created mixed government and politeia instead. The official title of mixed government is a Republic and the Romans translated "politiea" as Republic. And then to top it off the new article Classical republicanism doesn't refer to the Classical republics of Crete, Sparta, Solonic Athens, or Rome but to Machiavelli's ideology. How can that be when Venice in the 13th century instituted a mixed government and called herself a "Republic".

With Jwrosenwieg and Kim Bruning there was a tacit agreement a year ago to have republic be the modern meaning and a [Classical definition of republic] to describe the ancient republics of Hellas and Rome and their influence. To say the least the "Republic section" is all messed up. We need some clarification. I have new information but User:Snowspinner won't let me bring this back up for undelete. (I do grant that a little bit of the Classical definition is original but the rest is not.) I will not let Sparta be called anything but a republic! I will not let the British wikipedian modern republicans strip Sparta, (my heritage and roots) of her rightful name. She is a Classical republic and needs to be called such! At the least, where is the damage in having an external link?WHEELER 15:14, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Personal attacks
Please do not make personal attacks against me - Wikipedia can be an unpleasant place at the best of times without personal attacks coming into the equation too. Kind regards, jguk 20:52, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Accusing me of acting childish is a personal attack. However, I'll overlook that for now.


 * It is a general principle that those wanting disputed information to remain in an article should provide the source - the burden should not be on those disputing information to disprove it. In this case, though, to move things on, I have provided a link to the Vatican law that deals with the interregnum. This document makes it clear that there is no head of state. Now you have what, I would think, is the ultimate source in this case, I trust that this matter (which should be resolved within a month anyway) can now be put to rest, jguk 21:12, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

BBC News Link from DINGBAT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/asia_pac/04/taiwan_flashpoint/html/history.stm THE ABOVE LINK ALSO LISTS SPECIFIC YEAR OF TAIWAN RECORDED DISCOVERY.--DINGBAT 20:15, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar
Congratulations, you truely deserve this my friend. Zscout370 00:07, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Morning Star
Hey. :) Yep.  No problem.  It beats the hell outta me why there hasn't been an international outcry over the situation in West Papua.  I'm an African-American who was active in the Free South Africa Movement from the very first African Liberation Day, and I find so many parallels between the struggle in West Papua and the colonial situation in the southern African nations.  I can't help but wonder if the OPM has sought to establish direct contact w/the Congressional Black Caucus here in the U.S., black opinion leaders and the black press -- and, if so, why so few people are aware of what's been going on there.  (And in the article on New Guinea someone (with an Asian name) had the nerve to revert my edits and write that Papuans weren't black/Africans!)  Such ignorance!  Peace 2 u.  deeceevoice 01:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Palestine flag
Before I would debate this issue more, I would read this: User_talk:Islamist. He has been making POV edits that are favoring Islam. I removed the Palestine flag for this reason only. Zscout370 02:35, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cyprus
"Reverting Psychotic Ramblings?" What's that supposed to mean? Expatkiwi 06:35, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry 'bout that. Expatkiwi 01:00, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Excuse me, but you can not accuse someone of blasphemy. Wikipedia is an equal oppurtunity source of information, with no religious bias'. Thusly, you can not say that I am blaspheming against Christianity, since I do not believe in any aspects of the Bible. Blasphemy can only be accused if the case has to do with the Christian religion. Since Wikipedia deals with all religions from a factual and un-biased view, you can not use the idea of blasphemy. I am not denying the vandalism, due in fact that this is a shared IP and that many people use it. I am merely stating that you can not accuse any user of blasphemy since it is a religious accusation. That would be like you editing pages on Islam or Hinduism stating that they believe in false prophets.

Ok
I have no clue what you're talking about. Anyway, all factual information points to the idea that God is, well, non-existant. Thus, blasphemy is an intangible argument. My personal beliefs, as right as they are, are, well, right. Blasphemy, as you said, is 'defamation of the name of God or the gods.' You can't defame that which does not exist. Well, you can, which I guess is what you think I did, but I merely shed light on the subject.

Hold On
Now, I understand your arguments, or rather statements, here. I don't know all the Wikipedia policy. The IP that I am writing this from is a shared IP. I am not the one vandalizing the pages on religion. I don't see a reason to change them. As for the User name thing, I plan on eventually getting one. Oh yeah, and let's keep the personal attacks to ourselves.

Featured article candidates/Convention on Psychotropic Substances
I thought you might be interested in this.. Tangible 13:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Assyrian Church of the East
Thanks for your cleanup at Assyrian Church of the East! Do you happen to know something about this church? For some months I tried to find more information about the contemporary schism. I've read somewhre the remaining difference is about the adoption of the Gregorian calendar. --Pjacobi 07:48, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

Indiana article
Before we get into a 3RR situation, let's clear this up here. Indianapolis no more part of the Chicago metro region than Milwaukee is, or Boston is part of metro NYC. Indianapolis metro area population is near 1.5 million. It is its own metro area. IMS is no more part of Chicago than Wrigley Field is part of Indianapolis. I'm quite willing to debate this, but I can't see a justification for indicating that IMS is "of Chicago". The two are 180 miles apart. I'm happy to discuss this here on your discussion page if you like; I'll keep tabs. --Durin 21:46, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===>Okay. First, let me say that I appreciate the diplomatic approach that you're taking to the dispute. That having been said, I'm not entirely sure what said dispute is. Neither I nor the Indiana article claim that Indianapolis is a part of the urban agglomoration that makes up Chicago (that would be absurd, considering the acres upon acres of farmland between the two). What the article is claiming is that: * Crown Point * East Chicago * Gary * Griffith * Hammond * Highland, Lake County * Hobart * Merrillville * Munster, and * Portage are part of the greater metropolitan area of Chicago, and, as far as I'm aware, that's not an issue of debate. In point of fact, those cities recognize Daylight Savings Time along with Chicago, whereas the rest of the state either doesn't at all or goes with Ohio-time. If you think the article presents the information in a confusing way, such that other people will be likely to think it is claiming that Indianapolis and Chicago are a part of the same metropolitan area, then I recommend that you change the formatting. As far as I'm aware, all of the information is accurate and relevant though, so that's why I reverted your change to the content. Thanks. Justin (koavf) 22:01, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok I see what it is trying to say now. I was reading it as one continuous line, as IMS being part of Chicago, Illinois (which is absurd as you infer). I've changed the formatting now, and put "Important suburbs " before the "of" of each break, and added in a double  to separate them. Look better to you too? Re: diplomacy...not much point in arguing. We can accomplish a lot more working together. Relative to that; there's much about Indiana that is missing in Wikipedia. For example (of many), West Baden Springs Hotel. We've got individual articles for Pokemon characters but not an article on what was once considered the 8th Architectural Wonder of the World? *boggle* :) Good to see a fellow Hoosier on here. --Durin 22:41, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===>Good deal I think we're on the same page, then. I wish I could contribute more to Indiana articles, but I'm simply too ignorant. Keep on representing for the rest of us Hoosiers. Justin (koavf) 22:48, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, your statement about DST isn't entirely correct. The southwestern counties of Gibson (where I live), Vanderburgh, Posey, Warrick, and Spencer also are in the Central Time Zone and observe DST. Kurt Weber 8 July 2005 21:19 (UTC)

===>DST In a way, I'm correct, in asmuchas the state of Indiana does not observe DST, but, of course, you are correct in pointing out that several counties along the Ohio and Illinois borders are part of the two different timezones of those states. Justin (koavf) July 9, 2005 05:31 (UTC)

Spanish West Africa
Hi - I notice that you changed the geo-stub on Spanish West Africa from morocco-geo-stub to AfricaN-geo-stub, citing "NPOV". I think I know why you did it, but there is nothing POV about it being listed as a morocco-geo-stub. If i'm correct, you are assuming that part of the former Spanish West Africa was part of what is now Western Sahara. That is not correct, and is explained as such in the article - Western Sahara is a former separate Spanish colony, Spanish Sahara. All the land which was in Spanish West Africa is now either still Spanish (Ceuta and Melilla) or Moroccan (the rest of it). Grutness...  wha?  5 July 2005 05:28 (UTC)

Indiana Wikipedians
Hello! Please consider adding yourself to Category:Indiana Wikipedians. Thanks! Kurt Weber 7 July 2005 02:52 (UTC)
 * Just thought I'd let you know: I responded to your comment on my talk page. Kurt Weber 7 July 2005 03:33 (UTC)

Greetings
A page that you joined to help with associate with other members of the Wikipedia community is on VfD. Please see Votes for deletion/Wikipedian citizens of the world, and the related page Votes for deletion/Wikipedian supporters of the sovereign nation-state. Cognition 09:41, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Date
I noticed that on Monster (album) you kept reverting BGC's edits in regard to the date. Wikipedia has the option where you can view the date format of your choice. This can be done by going to Preferences and selecting the "Date format" link. There four options will come up. For more information see Date and numbers.

Perhaps you ought to follow the above's advice. My date format IS valid. Look at how the dates are written on ANY history page for any Wikipedia article. The dates have been reverted back to how they were written. I suggest you take your own advice and stop reverting my work since you started all these date style changes. BGC 05:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Please note WP:3RR&mdash;your access to Wikipedia can be restricted if you persistently revert. &mdash;Theo (Talk) 08:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

POV in Morocco entries
Hi Koavf, any suggestions on how stopping FaysalF vandalising the pages and making them POV?

WS is not a country
Dear Justin, I thank you for your recognition of your pro-polisario opinion and your non-neutrality. I see that you are manipulating the discussion by stating that there are a lot of sides in the conflict. It is a mater of fact that there is only two sides (see reports of Minurso) Morocco thinks that WS is an integral part of Kingdom of Morocco, Polisario and its supporters think that this territory must be independent. Sure 50 nations recognize the SADR, but 24 nations cancelled their recognition of this entity since 1989. For the rest of the nations of the world: they are neutral, they don't have any position in the conflict and think that the UN should resolve the question : That should be the position of WP. I repeat that you are not neutral and I ask you to stop imposing your POV to readers of WP. Please be objective and neutral or don't touch this page. Thanks. Daryou 20:01, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Daryou, what you are just doing is called "vandalising". You do not provide any credible sources, background or fresh ideas and just feel free to destroy other people's work with your biased actions. I assume this is your only function and you are possibly nothing but a heteronym of someone who does not dare to execute this sort of actions in clear view. People like you give Wikipedia a bad name. Asterion20:42, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Dear Asterion, I deleted the Infobox because of non neutrality (see talk page of WS). It is not vandalism. Accusing people with no reasons gives WP a bad name. Daryou

I think that the best way to resolve the dispute is to request a Mediation, what do you think about it? Daryou 20:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I personally don't see the necessity for mediation - a dialectical process is going on in the article with Fayssal, and you can feel free to contribute. If you want to take it to an administrator, do. Justin (koavf) 01:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Guys, let's take it easy. According to all comments here, there and on the different articles about Morocco and Western Sahara, I believe that we will be able to solve matters ourselves. The biggest hardle, IMHO, has been the lack of trust in eachother's thoughts.


 * If we can listen to eachother and reduce the amounts of arguments to a minimum, sure there would be a concensus. I am optimistic that our discussions would lead to a good result and I hope that it would be an example to other conflicts (IBT I dislike this word) in Wikipedia.


 * I have a suggestion that we can leave details as the last things to deal with. For the time being, I invite everybody to present a brief summary of her/his thoughts as a first step. Let's get a ground to stand on first. If anyone has a suggestion where we can present our briefings. Any one? Sorry, I had to add a suggestion now. What about a Google group?! I can sort that out by inviting everybody here to a Gmail account to use for the discussion there. Let me know if you fancy the suggestion.


 * This would allow us to defend articles of both sides against any biased editors in the future.


 * Important to say, is that we have to treat Wikipedia w/ respect and profesionalism and forget about feelings. Otherwise, none of us would deserve to be a WP editor. Cheers and respect -- Svest 20:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;

===>Fayssal's on the right track I have a Gmail account: justinkoavf. We can discuss it on another forum, and not make petty reverts and edits here. Thanks for the invitation. Justin (koavf) 01:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Who's invited? Daryou 20:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hi Daryou, there are 4 people invited. You, Asterio, Justin and me. I don't remember well if Zach was involved once. As I saw him awarding Justin a barnstar, I would like to see him involved as well. He's one of the best wikipedians I've ever met here and believe he can help us. Any comments guys? Svest 21:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up&#153;

Daryou, you wrote: " This position isn’t neutral because it is pro-polisario’s POV and anti-Moroccan, WS isn't a country. For a better neutrality of this page, the removal of this infobox is definitively necessary. I will stop editing this page until we find a consensus. Daryou 16:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)"

The thing is that the infobox are not necessarily always used for "countries". There is an infobox for NATO occupied Kosovo, which is and has always been nothing but a province. This is explained in Wikipedia pages on infoboxesAsterion 23:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I suggest to keep the infobox without information about SADR (that you can put if you want in the page you created for this autoproclaimed entity), I mean: name of SADR, flag of SADR, president of SADR, prime minister of SADR, coat of arms of SADR, hymne of SADR and national motto of SADR Daryou 18:57, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Google Group about Western Sahara
===>Let's carry on the discussion at Google It will be more systematic and searchable. We can propose particular wordings or topics there, and debate them. Plus, it will take up less server space on Wikipedia. It's been started here. Justin (koavf) 01:12, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism?
It wasn't vandalism here. What are you talking about man? Wikiwoohoo 15:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)]]

===>Semi-vandalism? I'm sure the Oyster Card thing is important, but Wikifying the word "while" is not. Justin (koavf) 15:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * In that case can I have a full apology on my user page acknowledging your mistake and promising never to do as such ever again. Thank you. Wikiwoohoo 18:34, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

===>What? I don't really see why that's necessary or how that's beneficial. What you did is something like a combination of childish, silly, and link vandalism. The style guide explicitly gives an example of not linking every word or irrelevant words, so if you weren't vandalizing, you were being inept. Why do you want an apology or a promise from me? Justin (koavf) 21:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Now you're making personal attacks, calling me childish and silly. How rude. I want a full apology now incorporating those elements please. Wikiwoohoo 15:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

===>No, I'm not This isn't a personal attack - my criticism is directed at the edit, not your person. I'm trying to be reasonable and understand your position. If you could please answer the simple questions I asked before, rather than ignoring them, or at least justify why you added a link to the word "while", then I'll be willing to consider an apology. So far, all you've done is make a request without an apparent motive, and denied me the ability to understand your motivation. Unless I'm mistaken, you don't have an authority to coerce me, so demanding that I do something is probably not going to get you what you want. If you continue the discussion, you might get what you want. Justin (koavf) 18:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Hey Justin. I've been kidding with you. Just wanted to see if there were pages such as While etc. Can I have an apology anyway? Plus I'm a previously well known Wikiepdian whose come back. I was an admin in my old account. Wikiwoohoo 16:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

===>Now I'm lost Okay, I don't know what you were kidding about, and you haven't addressed why I should apologize or what for, so I'm still going to have to say no. If you want to do tests, you can edit and preview or simply search for those pages without saving an entirely new edit of that article. If everyone did that with every search that they wanted to do, it would unnecessarily take up gigs of server space. Justin (koavf) 17:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Don't blame you. This is all really wierd. I think I might have made myself lost too. Ho hum. Wikiwoohoo 19:03, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Combining Sub-Saharan Africa and Black Africa
Hi. Did you even read either article? I'm surprised to read you're a pol. sci. major. You should know better. The two are not synomous. Combining the two articles would run counter to the explicit information in both and would serve only to perpetuate long-standing misconceptions. I vote a resounding no! deeceevoice 17:32, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

===>Miscommunication? I'm not suggesting they are identical, but the "Black Africa" article is a stub, and I don't think that it merits its own entire entry. It should probably become a section in the Sub-Saharan Africa article. Granted, not all blacks live south of the Sahara (like the miniscule black Moroccan population) and not all who live south of the Sahara are black (like the Boers), but the vast majority of either overlaps with the other. Justin (koavf) 20:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Western Sahara Edit
Yes. Yes, I do have sources. and  I am aware that the second is a Morrocan and anti-Polisario website, but I have no reason to doubt the veracity of its reports regarding the withdrawal of recognition of the SADR by the various countries. I spent quite a bit of time bringing that page up-to-date and believe that I have been quite thorough. As you know, information on this topic is rather scarce. I had to read quite a few news articles to gleam fragments of information. The reason I was unable to provide exact dates was that none were given but references such as, "Since country X withdrew recognition from the puppet-SADR government, relations have flourished" indicated that relations had been cancelled between Western Sahara and country X. Thus, no date for the Commonwealth of Dominica or an exact date for Sierra Leone. I don't like the ambiguity either, but that's the best information I could find.

Robert, M.A. user:Canadian Bobby

3RR
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Dmcdevit·t 21:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back
Hi, there are some new third party proposals in here and here made by The minister of war and Nlu. I suggested also to carry on a survey. What do you think? Daryou 17:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I think that I have some third party support now. I'll restore the no flag infobox. Let's finish this conflict witch dured so much and use our time to edit other WP pages. If there is any problem feel free to revert and respond to the proposals in WS talk page. Peace.Daryou 20:22, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * So you refuse all third party proposals. What about the WP survey? Daryou 00:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Survey
How do you want to carry on the survey: Daryou 17:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Will you accept the results?
 * Will IPs and new users (they can be Sock puppets) be allowed?
 * The duration?
 * Do you accept this one?

You have your word to say about the modalities of the Survey and if you'll accept the results? Othwise there is no need for a survey as you know that the results aren't binding. Daryou 17:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

jan & WS
yes i do :-) not very well, but i've met him a few times. i noticed he was going there, and i actually thought about asking you if you met him... how did everything go, by the way? and is there anywhere i can read your statements? Arre 01:14, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

well, that sounds pretty okay, i think. were you there as representative of an organization? (and again: can i read it somewhere?) btw, i saw in the UN reports, which i looked at just briefly, that there were some christian democrats there who pulled the old polisario's-selling-kids-to-castro trick again. i really wonder where they get those people. Arre 01:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * As I understand it, you're American... so, would you do me a favour and check the medical terms I put in at Tindouf? ("acute lack of", "suffers from" etc) I used a Swedish book for the figures, and I am not exactly sure how this kind of medical jargon is normally translated.
 * Also, you'd better go vote in the Western Sahara Infobox/Vote. Right now it looks as if the no-flag option will win, and that makes absolutely no sense to me. It's just a more discreet form of the Moroccan government's POV. Arre 06:03, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Contradictions
Thanks for your comment regarding the "contradiction" on my userpage. The "Postmodernist" characteristic is the result of an online test (I didn't make it up) - dislike of racism is something I was brought up believing and today believe very strongly in. I'm afraid I cannot guarantee the accuracy of online tests (which are just jokes) or expect more than half an hour of work to have been put into them. Izehar (talk) 10:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:South America.png
Thanks for uploading Image:South America.png. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use GFDL to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use or fairuse. See Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. -- SCEhard T 06:35, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I found the source for this image and fixed it. Please remember to put source and copyright info on any images you upload in the future, especially since it looks like some of your country map modifications got deleted.  Thanks! - SCEhard T 06:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

World Citizen userbox,
Hi, I noticed the message saying you're a World Citizen, I would like to invite you to add to your user page if you wish to proclaim it in a more effective way, and this template will also add you automatically to the Wikipedians with World Citizenship category. :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Holidaybox
Thanx for the input. You are correct, Diwali was Nov 1 this year; I actually hadn't checked. Those four holidays usually come listed together when mentioning holidays of this time; it is often connected with Channukkah because of the significance of lights. If you really feel it should be removed, I'll remove it. Sputnikcccp 21:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

WS 2006
excellent idea. let me know your thoughts on how/where/what. maybe a little coordination could also help me reduce my time on WP, because that's getting an ever bigger problem :-) Arre 02:05, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Politics of Western Sahara
Hi, I'm interested in resolving the dispute on this template page between you and Daryou. It would be cool if you could participate in the discussion :) - FrancisTyers 23:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for contributing, I realise this is a very tricky topic, I'm hoping we can resolve it without an edit war. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Its difficult finding a consensus when each case (of unrecognised country or government) is different. Don't give up :) - FrancisTyers 17:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I've replied on my talk page. - FrancisTyers 19:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Protection
I protected it as it is one of two ongoing disputes with him, which are over the inclusion of flags on a template. You should resolve the dispute by discussion, not reverting each other, or reverting "with reasons" which you both choose to ignore. I'm not favouring anyone in the dispute - Personally, I think no flags is better if it stops yourselves disputing. Hedley 15:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Sahrawi
Hi, I've reverted your recent edits. You should be more careful when accusing people of grammatical errors when you are making spelling errors yourself. Terra Nullius not Terris Nullis. - FrancisTyers 00:44, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

WS politics
Hi, I propose to move the Western Sahara politics related pages into Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic related pages (for example politics of SADR instead of Politics of WS) to avoid any neutrality conflicts in the future, do you agree? Daryou 12:10, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

===>No For two reasons: People will expect the short-form name of "Western Sahara" when searching, and many of these topics have to do with the region Western Sahara, and not just the SADR. Justin (koavf) 05:01, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * You say that these topics have to do with the WS territory, we discussed the issue many times and a survey was necessary, WPian agree with infoboxs without flags when we are talking about the territory, Please stop pushing pro-polisario's POV and comply with WP neutrality principles. Daryou 20:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Daryou, please try be civil when you are talking on someones talk page. Making accusations really isn't helping with the consensus building. This applies to you both. - FrancisTyers 21:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I've added the move template to:


 * President of Western Sahara
 * Prime Minister of Western Sahara
 * Politics of Western Sahara
 * Foreign relations of Western Sahara

You might like to go and make your position known there. I would think that a compromise of having the article at President of Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic and then a redirect on President of Western Sahara to point to this would be appropriate.

For the moment I have left Elections in Western Sahara as it includes more information than just SADR and I have tentatively put the move template on Foreign relations of Western Sahara even though it seems like it has both points of view. - FrancisTyers 21:22, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

A Ladder To Heaven
Hi there - you requested a move regarding a move regarding A Ladder To Heaven - however I can't fulfill the request because there was no place created for discussion as the stated on the WP:RM. Please do so and request another move regarding that page if you so desire :).

Thanks!

WhiteNight T 05:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Politics of Taiwan
I have reverted your additions of Template:Republic of China politics to articles that already have Template:Republic of China politics footer because they are redundant. the two templates are not meant to be used together. i also reponded to your comment on the talk page about relevance.--Jiang 20:34, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I (in my personal opinion) prefer the footer in all cases because when the side table is used, even in long articles, it prevents users from adding images to the same space. (It is not intuitive, particularly for newer users, that they side box can be (re)moved and an image can be added.) On the other hand, I can tolerate the existence of the side box provided that it is not forcing images or infoboxes out of articles. I'm thinking of making a combined ROC-PRC footer for articles such as Cross-straits relations in the form of the two footers side-by-side (instead of on top of each other).--Jiang 09:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Category addition
No, I don't mind; however, it would have been better had you added the category to the template itself, wouldn't it? Cheers! &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 18:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

portal
ooh, very nice job on the portal. Arre 03:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Re western sahara stub
Hi. it looks like the template you made will be kept if there are as many stubs as you say but it will need to be renamed to be in line with stub naming standards (that would make it WesternSahara-stub). Ive put it on WP:SFD so it will get renamed automatically by bot if the vote is to rename it so theres no need to worry about that. One thing is that if the stubs youve been stubbing are also in other stub catagories please just double stub them (geography stubs should have AfricaN-geo-stub as well and articles about people should have Africa-bio-stub as well). thats how us stub sorters keep track of when there are enough stubs to add new geography or biography catagories. BL  kiss the lizard  04:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * ps - ive gone thru the new cat and double stubbed any that needed it. two of the articles were too big to really be stubs, too - but i found a couple of other ones you didnt have marked as western sahara stubs (Bir Gandus and Auserd) so the number in theres the same! BL   kiss the lizard  04:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Contradiction
Koavf, you are the founder of the WS Wiki Project. Nice job, YOU wrote that Why are contradicting yourself? :) Daryou 22:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The goals of this project are to Standardize terminology related to Western Sahara/SADR Ensure that pages use the terms "Western Sahara", "Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic", "Sahrawi", and "Polisario" correctly.
 * "Western Sahara" is a region in Africa. It was formerly known as "Spanish Sahara", and is made up of Río de Oro and Sakiet el-Hamra. This region is known as the Southern Provinces in Moroccan literature; see also provinces of Morocco. The Kingdom of Morocco does not administer the entirety of the territory; the rest is known as the Free Zone. Please not that many sources will use the term "Western Sahara" to refer to the government the "Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic", just as "France" refers to "French Republic".

Portal talk:Western Sahara/Intro
Please come and cite your sources :) I'm amazed that you only seem to be disagreeing on two things! - FrancisTyers 22:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi man, I've recommended a compromise text for part of the disagreement, can you come and see if you agree with it. Thanks, - FrancisTyers 17:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

criteria for speedy deletion
Why are you deleting my artical. I put on it that it's not true, it's for my artical relation to my user page. &mdash; Hurricane Devon  (  Talk  ) 22:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm a racist
Ah, isn't british humour great? Well, I suppose only when you understand it... As you can see it was merely the foundation of the article until I got the relevant information together. Mark272 22:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice, I will do that in future. Mark272 22:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Kong and nonsense
Justin, I know you were trying to help, but the Ninja Kong and Karate Kong articles weren't nonsense. The articles quite clearly indicated that they were about video game characters. No real harm done; just be more careful next time, okay? DS 23:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The Case Against Vaccination
It doesn't look like a speedy delete - but it's certainly a candidate for abridgement under Don't include copies of primary sources. Tearlach 02:45, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Polisario is Algeria backed
Why do you contest that ? The main backer of Polisario is Algeria and everybody knows and agrees with that, I don't accept the explanation that this is only Moroccan plot or propaganda, its also a fact. I am not saying that the Polisario exists only because of Algeria, but Polisario leaders and headquarters are based in Algeria and Algeria funds it, even Algeria has never made it a mystery of that, this is not only Moroccan propaganda. Polisario is used as mean by Algeria against Morocco instrumentalisé (and I also believe that this is a problem for the Polisario itself as it can't distance itself from this country, and that doesn't help its case). I also agree that its also backed by other nations, but so far Algeria has been its main and most active backer. Please give me a proof of the contrary and I will accept it. Thanks--Khalid hassani 18:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

list of cities in Morocco/Western Sahara
I agree with splitting the article, but as it is, the original article only points back to itself. You're doing a good job on the WS topics, btw. I'm sorry I've been busy lately, but it's nice to find solid expansions every time I return. Arre 23:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, happy new year to you too! I'm just filling in some blank articles as suggested on the Project page. Perhaps you could have a look at them afterwards. What should I do with them after that, btw? Arre 00:45, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I missed a few, but I'll get back to them. It's mostly redirects anyway. Arre 00:50, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Yabaniy es-sahara western sahara anthem.mid has been listed for deletion

 * The reason is that the item is orphaned. Please see its entry on WP:IFD --Admrboltz (T | C) 00:37, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No need, I have removed the IFD alert. Thanks --Admrboltz (T | C) 00:44, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

WS
I will be very happy if we refer to one or many administrators, You are irrational and completely biased, remember that WP is a neutral organ of information, not polisario.wikipedia.org or a polisario propaganda tool. Daryou 22:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

never-ending story
yeah, it's bizarre. but you're welcome to join the fun. Arre 17:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Cle.gif
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My userboxes
(I posted this on my talk page as well. Just wanted you to get the new message box so you'd know I replied)

I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but there are some exceptions. If you have a guy like Osama and if he's ever caught, I'd be 100% behind his execution. But in the case of someone accused of killing another and he's sentenced to death despite there not be 100% undeniable proof, then I'd be against it. I believe that most executions in the US are wrong, but every now and again a rare exception comes along. I'm pro-choice in the way that I think a woman has a right to have an abortion, but I apply to CLE by not being very fond of most wars, especially unjust ones. I do believe that some wars must be fought by one side, but that the other side didn't need to start it. For example, I believe that the US going to war in World War 2 was justified, but Japan were a bunch of assholes for starting it all.

I'm pro-life in the way that I think the US were bigger assholes for dropping the a-bombs on mostly innocent civilians. I oppose pro-life in that I think a mentally sane person has a right to choose to end his own life if a medical disease makes daily life unbearable. I believe it is completely hypocritical to arrest anyone who assists in the death of another person who asks for it, yet someone like Terri Schiavo can be murdered because she lacks the ability to ask for it. I hope that answers the questions you had. If not, feel free to message me again. I'm sorry for ranting like that. For me, it's never as simple as choosing what side I'll be on. I subscribe to various different beliefs on various sides, so I usually end up associating with a lot of viewpoints.

There's a few more examples on my userboxes. Ethnically, I'm Jewish, so I put it up there. I still consider myself a Jew even though I don't believe in any of it, so I give myself the atheist box. I also oppose the use of most drugs, but I support the legalization of Cannabis. As long as alcohol is legal, I don't see the harm in Cannabis, although from my boxes you can also see I have no stake in the matter as I am drug free. So confusing. But some things on my boxes are 100% meant as jokes. I don't have multiple personalities. I just thought that would be funny. I also understand English fine. Also, I'm not from Earth :) tv316 01:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Independence support
Hi, sorry for taking too long in answering your question. Though I support Western Sahara, it doesn't mean that I'm gonna support West Papua too. You do know that I'm an Indonesian, don't you? :) --*drew 06:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Take part in all wikis
You are stupid. Fuck you. Pietras1988  TALK  09:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

List of sovereign states
Hi, you were active in discussions creating this page as it is now. One anon user persistently deletes Abkhasia and South Ossetia. He started a conversation on the talk page. Would you care to reply? Renata 22:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Assyria box
Hi their and thank you for the gift. You did not had to explain yourself why you do not support a independent Assyria :) But I want you to know that you may have been mislead on a couple of things. First of all, their is a far greater chance of a Assyria, if a Kurdistan happens (hense thats why I support Kurdistan independence.) The majority of our people actually don't live in areas that are administrated by the Kurdistan regional government. The majority of our cities and villages are in the Nineveh plains (around Mosul): This is all because the Assyrians have been driven out the kurdish north throughout time, but however their is still a few more villages left in the kurdistan region.  This [] is the reason Assyrian politicans are fighing for today. Today the Kurds announced that they are going to give the Turkoman autonomy where in areas were they make the majority. And their are talks of doing the same with the Assyrians as well. And as for enough of us being killed..well brother, ask the Jews if they would trade their state for less people to be/have been killed ;) Chaldean 04:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the box. I see your point but as every human needs a house the Assyrians need a country. But your right if a Kurdish country establish there will be no chance for the Assyrians to create a country. The Kurds would rather die then seeing a Assyria on the map, and of course we are divided in our own people so its very hard for us to create a country without our own peoples support and international support. Once again thanks for the box!--Yohanun 06:39, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

email
oh, i just hadn't seen it. there's nothing secret about it :-) i'll reply in a minute. another thing: maybe you noticed that just about all the pictures i put up on WP gets deleted. i'm not sure what to do, since i believe all of them were definitely intended for free use, and explained that in the edit summaries. how do i handle this? the articles looks much duller without them. Arre 13:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * okay. now they're all gone anyway, but i'll put them back when i have time. thanks. Arre 13:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Assyrian Brother
Thank you for your gift A2raya07 22:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Melanesia.png
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Melanesia: core and periphery
Hey Justin! I like your span of work/interest. Just thought I'd comment on the Melanesia map here: Would it not be more informative if the area intended to illustrate the extent of that region were to be shown using two shades; one darker tone for core and another lighter one for arguable/peripheral inclusion? (Cf. maps at Central Asia and Central Europe.) The UN-determined subregion is easy to define, whereas the anthropo-historical extension westward could include islands as far as the Lesser Sunda Islands. Any thoughts? =J //Big Adamsky 12:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You know, I would make those alterations myself if only I had the means and knowhow. As yet, all I can do is suggest and advise… =[
 * Oh, could you fill me in as to the correct display of the Flag of Western Sahara? Is it the [[Image:IFIS Sinister.png]] that is depicted, and why? //Big Adamsky 16:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * But... isn't there still only one shade of green? I see no light green... :-0 //Big Adamsky 18:57, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, now I can see the changes (there weren't visible before for some reason). Looks good, but maybe the UN subregion should be outlines also? Just an idea here... //Big Adamsky 23:12, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
for compromising on Template:User Cypriot unification, very much appreciated. ^_^ &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 08:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Green March
Hi, are you still interested in taking part in the mediation over on Green March or should I unprotect the page? - FrancisTyers 19:41, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Unprotected. - FrancisTyers 07:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Western Sahara
Hello. Wikipedia's standarized united categorization rules, rule that articles should be put under subcategories. So, when some article is in "History of Western Sahara", it should be removed from "Western Sahara" category or put to another subcat. Actually there aren't so much subcategories of "Western Sahara", more than 50 articles are in this cat. Western Sahara category should look like Cat:Niger, all articles put into subcategories. But to achieve this, more subcats should be created. - Darwinek 15:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC) Thanks for infor Justin:-)--Ismael76 22:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Country flag alias Réunion and three others
The official flags should be used, and the official flag is the French flag; I've reverted you. Hope that's okay. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 13:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi
Please do not vandalise the Free Iran template again. Thanks. --Kash 23:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, well I actually agreed to your democracy link but when you added the Reza Pahlavi thing, I thought that was pushing it! :) --Kash 11:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked for an hour for violating the 3RR on Western Sahara. If you feel this block was unjust, please feel to contact me or another administrator by email to remove it.

A further note, please see the discussion on the talk page when you return. - FrancisTyers 21:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Consistent Life Ethic
FYI fair use images are not allowed in userboxes. Please remove Image:Cle.gif from the userbox or write to the creator and have it released under the GFDL or a Creative Commons License (by-sa for example). Thanks.  howch e  ng   {chat} 00:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey
I think you saved the free iran template from deletion?! --Kash 16:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Yiddish Wikipedia
ביטע העלפן בויען יידישן וויקיפידע מיטן סאָפּארטן א וואוט אין געמיינדע איבער שטעלן א סטאטיסטיק ציילער.--71.247.152.36 13:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

the map
Hi Koavf. Two small items. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) I have reverted the Arab League+Israel map to a previous version - with W. Sahara not colored.
 * 2) For the future, it is advisable to compress PNG images before uploading. Note: my image was less than 9k and yours, around 45k.


 * I can't say I'm an expert, but you've colored that map like a pro :-)) A good place to start is PNG. Take care. ←Humus sapiens ну? 00:45, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Wake Me Up When September Ends article move
I've just moved the article from Wake Me up When September Ends to Wake Me Up When September Ends before I noticed that you did just the opposite some time ago. Which particular naming convention did you mean? I thought that the particles of phrasal verbs should be capitalized in titles. So do adverbs, anyway. Jogers 19:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not a native Enlish speaker but it seems to me that "up" is the part of the phrasal verb in this context. Here I've read that in this case it should be capitalized. Jogers 20:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

New page patrol
Hello. I see you are tagging stuff on New Page patrol. Good work. But it will really help the admins making deletions if you used more specific speddy tags. Check out WP:CSD for more. Thanks, and keep up the good work. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - &lt;*&gt; 01:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion and advertising
Thanks for helping clean up new pages. At this point in time, advertising is not a valid criterion for speedy deletion. Another good process for these problem pages is to tag them for proposed deletion, which is a relatively new process halfway between speedy deletions and AFD. Just tag the article with   and it'll be gone in 5 days unless someone contests the deletion. (ESkog)(Talk) 03:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Bakersfield_College
Thanks for the University stub on Bakersfield_College, I was just about to do that.--Lzygenius 02:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Deal
I have no interest in vandalising your page. As im new to this i was reading other reason why people have suggested deletion and one that occurred frequently was that the article was vain. I am in no way making any judgement on your character but i felt that the article was just about you and served no purpose other than self promotion. You are obviously a massive contributor to Wikipedia and I do not want to offent you, and if I have I'm sorry. I hope I've posted this in the correct place.

FlyerTalk speedy delete
Please see Talk:FlyerTalk. Dbchip 22:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Out the road (Juneau) speedy
Questioning the speedy tag here. It's a legit suburb in Juneau, I added a reference dealing with the weather changes. The link goes to a NOAA.gov page, and it uses the term 'out the road' for the area with no further qualifier, showing that the term is used officially. A google search for ("out the road" juneau) yields quite a few pages with the term listed to help tourists with their visit, explaining what it is. If you think it's nonnotable, I'd point out that we have articles on the Mendenhall Valley and Thane, both of which are suburban areas of Juneau, and smaller, in terms of size. Also, a belief that it is nonnotable is not a speedy criteria. If it ruffles your feathers to have the article, it needs to go to AFD, not be speedied. -AKMask 22:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries, new artical patrol can be stressful and fast-paced, I know :) -AKMask 22:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of KENU
I have removed the speedy deletion tag which you placed on KENU. I did this because the reason you gave was "non-notable", which is currently not one of the recognized criteria for speedy deletion. Additionally, I could not determine that the radio station meets any of those criteria. I have instead proposed the article for deletion. You need take no action.

As a courtesy to other users, please use meaningful edit summaries when you edit an article and please don't mark serious changes, such as suggesting an article be deleted, as minor. Stifle 17:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)