User talk:Koavf/Archive026

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name template
I noticed that there's a problem with combing the templates. The "origin" parameters don't mean the same things. Alot of people used that for languages or 'regions', but the newer template uses that parameter for the original form of the name. So it's kinda messing things up. See Alice - The word "English" should be under the "language" parameter I think (or maybe "languageorigin"). Any idea how to tackle this problem?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to get a bot to change to old "origin" parameters to the new "languageorigin" parameter? That may be better.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Tagging process
See for the process I was using ("Tagging process"). However instead of pre-parse, I started using Special:Export, pasting the list of articles, and then combing them for the relevant data (it was faster than pre-parse). I can give you more step-by-step instructions at a later time if you still need more information. – xeno talk 12:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI my usual stand-in has returned from a long wikibreak so I probably won't need your help tagging after all. Thanks for the offer all the same. – xeno talk 12:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT on talk pages
Hi, re - there is a better way: almost all WikiProject banners recognise a listas parameter, so instead of using , just add Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (Radio Series) to any one of the WikiProject banners,. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:50, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Simply strategizing I have added  to project banners (I did several dozen just yesterday--e.g.), but the problems are: 1.) new banners get added, but the   parameter isn't used and 2.) there are other categories that can include a talk page other than those added by a WikiProject banner. DEFAULTSORT solves both of these issues. It's possible that I'm missing something here, but that's a solution, right? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In relation to the above edit, you didn't need to do that, because the WikiProject banner immediately above (the one) already has its listas set. The action of listas on a WikiProject banner is to pass the value through to, which in turn passes it to . This last template contains this wikicode:


 * Therefore, if a banner already specifies Green, Joshua, the talk page essentially contains the code


 * which reduces to


 * Thus, since listas generates a, it has the same action as a separate DEFAULTSORT. It follows that one listas covers all categories, whether generated by a project banner or otherwise; note that I put "just add listas ... to any one of the WikiProject banners", not "... to all of the ...". You can check this by examining the abovementioned Talk:The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (radio series): only one WikiProject banner (the ) has the listas, but if you look in the categories at the bottom, almost all of them show the page under the H's, not the T's; see, for example here. The two exceptions are Category:Selected anniversaries (March 2009) and Category:Selected anniversaries (March 2010), because these categories are added by . This template generates wikicode like  , i.e. it imposes its own sortkey and so defeats the DEFAULTSORT. A separate DEFAULTSORT would not change that.
 * I've not examined all WikiProject banners - there are far too many of them - but every single one which I have examined recognises the listas parameter, and the action for each one is identical. Unfortunately it's often overlooked, because it's not documented on very many - one where it is documented is . The easiest way of checking if a project banner recognises listas is to go to the template page, and if it's not in the ducumentation, click the "Edit" or "View source" tab, and look for the line


 * listas=
 * it's usually about the sixth line down.
 * BTW, I prefer not to fragment discussions, so I watched this page as soon as I posted here, so no need to respond on my talk page. -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:37, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow You learn something new every day. Thanks for the lesson. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Canadian culture on White pride
Hi Koavf. Would be interested to know why you've added Category:Canadian culture to the article White pride. It isn't something most people would immediately think of as being a particularly Canadian phenomenon. It might be useful to have a source for the existence or prevalence of white pride movements in Canada.

Also, blimey, why aren't you an administrator yet?! —Tom Morris (talk) 20:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Everything that Happens...
I'm pretty busy right now, so I really can't guarantee anything. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 22:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Josef Stalin
I have reversed your change to this name at Hallmark Hall of Fame. The program referenced used the spelling "Josef". "Josef" is not a misspelling! It is an alternative spelling that is just as valid as "Joseph", and indeed more correct as a transliteration from Russian. Redirects should be preferred when there is a valid alternative spelling. I have also removed the "unprintworthy" category from the redirect. Granting that "Joseph" is the more common English usage, and that, by convention, Wikipedia puts the article itself under that name, this still does not justify changing all articles where the name appears. It is much better to let the writers of articles use the form they want. The large number of changes that you have made impose a POV on the spelling of the name. The use of "Josef" in other sites is not inconsiderable. If long term trends were to reflect the stricter transliteration Wikipedia should itself be prepared to mirror the trend, not use its enormous popularity to command the trend. What better way to reflect the trend than to allow editors to use the form they prefer? Eclecticology (talk) 18:47, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Modern transliteration all tend to romanize "Ф" as "F"; "PH" would be considered obsolete. See Romanization of Russian. To be perfectly correct "Иосиф" should be transliterated as "Iocif", but that option would have little support for a personal name for such a well known person. It is nevertheless used for the transliteration of names for more obscure persons. The article for Joseph Stalin was put there on the basis of a Google count for the most popular English version, but it's not an overwhelming popularity. Some key publications like Time use "Josef". Having both names in use will reflect current usage, and thus reflect changing popularity. I don't think that mere alphabetical proximity is a sufficient basis for making a redirect prospectively unprintworthy. I have seen alternative spellings come immediately before or after the article itself in the British Dictionary of National Biography.  If omitting the alternative really matters at that time it's an easy editorial decision then; we don't have to decide for them now. Eclecticology (talk) 22:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "when would anyone use Category:Printworthy redirects or Category:Unprintworthy redirects?" Probably never, since the idea of a print Wikipedia will never be more than fantasy. Even it were not, the unprintworthy should be limited to misspelllings. Eclecticology (talk) 04:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * So there was a CfD on this where a small number of people participated almost a year ago. I didn't run into the category until now, but it's only a category, and I'm not willing to waste my time on debates about deleting categories that are there for the sole purpose of humouring a sector of the editorial community. The idea of a print Wikipedia has been around for quite some time. Now, as then, my view is that I'll believe it when it happens. Meanwhile, Wikipedia has become much bigger. The number of trees that would now need to be sacrificed is considerably more than what would then have been needed for an estimated 300 large volumes. Of course, some people are working to print subsets of the Wikipedia corpus. Let those people make their own editorial decisions. For now I will limit myself to removing inappropriate applications of the category when I find them, but I'm not going to look for them. Have fun. Eclecticology (talk) 05:45, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Sid and Nancy: Love Kills
You redirected this page to itself. I pointed it where I thought it should go. Thanks Gurch (talk) 00:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Assessment
The article lacks of coverage. There is no background, no critical reception, I see only three sources, and the most important, there is no evidence that this album is notable. Supporting materials refers to all possible and relevant materil (if possible free) in the article (images, infobox and diagrams), there is only one infobox and a non-free album cover. Images of Byrne and/or the tour can be added. B-class means on either Wikiproject "a good and complete article that just need somebody approve it to be a GA". See Hitmixes as what I'm talking of a short article that was approved at GA. If the article cannot be expanded more than that, or cannot say why it is notalbe, it can be easily merged at Songs of David Byrne and Brian Eno Tour or Everything That Happens Will Happen Today. ۞  Tb hotch  ™  &  (ↄ),  Problems with my English?  04:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "Significant coverage in reliable sources" means exactly that, that the subject received "significant" coverage. Thus, three sources are not "significant coverage", regardless their reliability. Also remember that "if the musician or ensemble is notable ... their officially released albums may have sufficient notability" does not means that those articles are notables and independents by default. If you can expand the article, expand it!, do not wait someone comes to an article and re-reassess it, especially because it was miles away from the B-class in the first place. ۞   Tb hotch  ™  &  (ↄ),  Problems with my English?  04:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Jonathan Demme
Hi. if you have incorrectly  named the page, instead of starting  a new article, please use the WP:MOVE feature to  rename the page. You will  then not  need to  make a redirect  page. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Eric Blair-George Orwell signature.jpg
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Your GA nomination of Strange Overtones
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Note
If you do speedy cat renames manually, remember to fix stuff like this:,. You should check "what links here" on the old category to fix any incoming links to the category. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

TFL notification
Hi, Koavf. I'm just posting to let you know that George Orwell bibliography – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been submitted as a candidate to be featured on the Main Page as Today's featured list. The proposed content can be seen here. You are more than welcome to post your thoughts on the nomination. Regards, —WFC— 23:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Reply: GA related to you
Congratulations on getting it to GA-level. It's good to see people follow through on the article after I got the ball rolling.-5- (talk) 01:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, no problem. I'm sure it will pass, too.-5- (talk) 01:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle on "modern languages"
...but Latin is both a human language and in useLatin news-site! Why don't you discuss at least? :-) greetings Ūnus ē Latīnīs novīs (talk) 03:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Re on your "Modern languages" on my talk page: Is this clear distinction always helpful - "latin's death" is taken for granted - how can we be perceived at all - when we vanish behind the all-is-clear surface of the article? Hey - maybe I find the "discussion needed"-tag/lable or whatever :-) Writing is (sometimes) a nice form of thinking :-) Thank you! Ūnus ē Latīnīs novīs (talk) 03:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Thx for your wishes, Koavf! I've found some appropriate templates, I guess. Let's see if one wants to talk it to an end - if there is one! Be fine Ūnus ē Latīnīs novīs (talk) 07:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Language icons
Hi, couple of things: &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) There is a suggestion on Edit requests that, when you have several similar requests, you add the request to one page rather than making lots of separate requests. If you could do this next time, it will probably be easier for both of us.
 * 2) On Template talk:Es icon I've asked you to point to a discussion or consensus that supports your requests. I don't want to spend time doing all these unless I'm sure they are to be viewed positively!
 * Sorry First off, I'll post multiple requests in the same place in the future, as you've asked. Furthermore, I do not have a discussion to give you, I am simply trying to get these locked templates edited to fit this scheme. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see you have already done 95% of this task, looking at your contributions from 17 and 18 June. It would have been highly preferable to have discussed this before starting such a big task, not least because a much more efficient method might have been realised. (For example, one edit to the meta-template Template:Language icon rather than 200 edits to the separate templates.) And did you know that our bot policy specifically forbids mass category creation in article space without consensus? Please discuss ideas on a village pump before starting any big job in future, okay? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Pink Floyd
Hi

I notice you removed the dollar values to the pounds in the text.

I cannot see why you would do this. The dollar value should be calculated at the 1976 rate and that would not fluctuate (using something similar to ). Chaosdruid (talk) 15:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, I just wanted to make sure that we could find common ground for what I was going to do next (put them back in using the correct year exchange rate). The other editor did not use the 1976 rate though so you were sort of right lol :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 18:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Preserving attribution
Hi, I noticed that you manually performed a speedy rename, and I wanted to remind to you to please preserve attribution by listing the names of contributors to the old category in the edit summary of the new category (see e.g. here or here). Cydebot does this automatically but it's equally important during manual renames. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ideally, both the title of the old category and the list of authors would be mentioned, e.g. here. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
Why have you reversed the infobox on Mahajanapadas? (69.115.82.63 (talk) 02:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC))

I'm with You (album)
Hi. I saw your move of I'm With You (album) to I'm with You (album). Are there any sources that indicate that this is the appropriate capitalization? I can't seem to find any. Every reliable source I see uses a capital "W".

You also seem to have tagged the redirect's talk page. Is there a reason for this?

Thanks! --MZMcBride (talk) 17:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See MOS:ALBUM - the word "with" is not capitalised. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a fairly deceptive redirect. "MOS:" stands for "Manual of Style", but the target of that redirect is completely unrelated to the Manual of Style. That redirect ought to be retargeted or deleted. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Caps, etc. I moved it based on WP:CAPS. As for tagging the redirect talk page, I've done it to thousands of pages, adding them to Category:Redirect-Class Album articles. Album has the field, so I figured I would use it. There's nothing more to it than that. Please respond on my talk if you need to discuss this further. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I follow. If an artist releases an album with a specific name, what part of Wikipedia's capitalization guidelines make it okay to change that?
 * As for the album talk page tagging, I think it's a rather silly practice, but okay. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Specific name All kinds of stylistic choices are used with capitals and Wikipedia rarely reflects those choices with article names. If you have a misgiving about WP:CAPS, feel free to bring it up on the talk page, but this has been discussed before numerous times and I don't see any drastic change happening based on this relatively obscure example. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Western Sahara WikiProject
Being quite new at contributing to Wikipedia, I was so glad to discover the existence of the WikiProject_Western_Sahara, and I would like to thank you and send some wikilove for the great work you have put into this project! I'm not sure if I will be able to contribute much to the project myself, as I'm neither an expert on the topic nor a native English speaker, but I will try to follow many of the pages related to the project and perhaps fix things now and then. As a start, I spent some time re-organizing, cleaning up and fixing references for Sahrawi refugee camps in Tindouf Province, Algeria, working mainly on the first half of the article. Feel free to correct/improve the language. I will also see if I can get hold on some more photos for the article. – Danmichaelo (talk) 20:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

...And Time Begins
Hello, Koavf. I noticed through my watchlist that you performed this edit, which fixed the dashes on the article. One of those dashes that you changed, though, was part of the name of the image file for the album cover featured on this page. That made the image red and not show up. I fixed the image so that it showed up again, and I thought you should know about this. Happy editing. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 00:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 00:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI, you did it here as well. I have fixed it.--Rockfang (talk) 14:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Alice in Chains
I see the reason for the website template, that's fine, but in this edit you also removed the 1990's category? Tarc (talk) 19:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Why you have moved Portal:Odisha to portal:Orissa please revert it. As Orissa is an anglicied version of the word Odisha and is incorrect, recently it was approved by the Parliament of India -- Srikant  Kedia  14:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

AWB
I am watching your edits per minute count. Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) T or M/Sign mine 22:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation
In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted. HuskyHuskie (talk) 19:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Dash fixes
Hi there. Could you clarify the edit you made here. I know my hyphens from my en/em dashes, so the changes don't quite make sense to me. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Mashed Potatoes (bootleg)
I have removed your speedy deletion tag on this article. A9 is only for releases where the artist's article does not exist, and The Smashing Pumpkins exists. I've prodded it instead.--Michig (talk) 07:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Dash fix
Here is another article A Valid Path where your edits damaged the alternative cover image. Please be more careful in future. memphisto 09:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

File:R.E.M. - Out of Time special.jpg listed for deletion
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Disputed non-free use rationale for File:R.E.M. - Out of Time Spain.jpg
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Disputed non-free use rationale for File:R.E.M. - New Adventures in Hi-Fi Special Edition.jpg
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Abbey Road
Hello. When adding Start date to British/international articles, such as Abbey Road (as you did with this edit), please remember to add  so the date is formatted correctly. Thank you.  McLerristarr &#124;  Mclay1  05:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Dash fix question
Hi! Just curious why you lead your dash changes with the nbsp, instead of just a space? I'm not challenging you or anything, just wondering for my own information. Thanks! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 02:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

RE:Removing a tag
Ah, sorry 'bout tht. Slip of the fingers y'see? --Yeepsi (Talk to me!) 20:53, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a redirect. --Yeepsi (Talk to me!) 20:59, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
--IllaZilla (talk) 05:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

All of You (Colbie Caillat album)
Hi Justin. I see that you have removed the Upcoming albums category from the above article. But, the release date is July 12, 2011 and it's only July 11 today? Cheers, Novice7 (talk) 13:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * July 11 in the UK and 12 in the US. Well, the album has been released, so it's okay. Novice7 (talk) 04:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Dream With Me
Be aware that I have requested a reversal of your move here. My rationale is there. CycloneGU (talk) 13:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Region 5 announcement
Hey there; you'll want to add our region's noticeboard to your watchlist: Ambassadors/Great Lakes. Anything that needs to be handled at a regional level will be posted there. Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 18:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

& nbsp;-ing
Hey, just giving you a head's up that a couple of times when you've & nbsp;-ed the dashes on pages, you've accidentally done it on media files too (which a'course, will break the URL to the link and make the delete bots get fired up). --Prosperosity (talk) 10:55, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to only go wrong in certain situations. Totally fine here, where the personnel list and the media files were in different places, but got a little messy here, where the media files were in the same section. --Prosperosity (talk) 11:13, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

A little help
I'm not very familiar with the External link policies, but I would like to fix List of sects in the Latter Day Saint movement, so I am asking for you for a starting place, since you tagged it with Toomanylinks here. Please tell me what I need to do? To me all these links seem appropriate since they link to the various websites for the sect listed above. There are alot of sects so the list is long. They had previously been in the article, but were move to an external links section during the work done to make it a featured list, since external links should not appear in the article. However, if this isn’t appropriate, then by all means they should be removed, but, again, I just don’t know what the polices are.

Anyway, any help you can give me would be appreciated.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 14:16, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
For a work!

I $ NY (talk) 07:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC) 

Talk:Demos (album)
I don't think a redirect is really within the scope of WikiProject Albums. Are you actually looking at the articles you are editing? memphisto 11:01, 13 July 2011 (UTC)