User talk:Koavf/Archive051

A goat for you!
Bah!

Hawkeye7  (discuss)  01:37, 12 September 2017 (UTC) 

Nomination of American King James Version for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article American King James Version is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/American King James Version until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Alephb (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Poe categories
Hi Koavf. Edgar Allan Poe is best known as a short-story writer and a poet; he only wrote one novel, which was never particularly acclaimed. Therefore, regarding this edit, it probably would be preferable to go with the more general "Writers from..." categories. At the very least, the "Novelist from..." cats shouldn't be added in lieu of the others. Rivertorch  FIRE WATER   16:25, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you think the novelists categories should be removed, that's fine--I'm no expert on literature. But there is no point in having Category:Novelists from Maryland and Category:Writers from Maryland in the same article as one is the parent of the other. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:38, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You're the category expert, so I thought I'd check with you first. Some of the logic has always escaped me—for instance, we have Category:Poets from Virginia and Category:Novelists from Virginia, and Poe legitimately goes in both of those, but he's most noted as a short-story writer, and we don't have a category for that. Category:Fiction writers from Virginia would work for both novels and short stories, if it existed. Is it worth creating, do you suppose? I'll take a look at this again, probably later today.  Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   17:10, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You flatter. If there are enough members of the parent categories, then it's worth splitting. Under Category:American fiction writers and its child categories, there are 9,220 members--seems like enough to warrant a split to me. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * All right, that's a project to add to my to-do list. Thanks for the guidance. I may ask for more when I actually do it.  Rivertorch   FIRE WATER   02:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Unprintworthy redirects
Hey there, I saw your edit on the redirect Monkey selfie manually adding it to Category:Unprintworthy redirects. The preferred way to do this is to add R unprintworthy inside the redirect category shell, rather than adding the category directly. This allows for centralized maintenance of the category via the templates. For more info have a look at Redirect. Cheers. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:49, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your note and I don't even disagree as such but it's way easier to add the category and a bot can just convert it to a template. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That's not a bad idea. The only difficulty I see is that some of the rcat templates already add one of the printworthiness categories, and a bot might accidentally duplicate these. Hmm. I'll start a chat with the redirects project. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:52, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In the past week, I've seen at least one redirect using templates that autoctegorize it as both printworthy and unprintworthy. :/ ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:55, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess we have work to do ;) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks + Invitation

 * Thanks yourself. I don't think I'd be very helpful tho--I'm pretty ignorant on the topic. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:06, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If you're working on the categorization of the articles, you are already contributing. :) Conversely the taskforce might help you to become more familiar with the topic + address related questions. I see you are in Indiana? Chicago Red Stars are nearby + currently competing for a playoff spot in the National Women's Soccer League. They have a number of players from the United States women's national soccer team on their team. Hmlarson (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That's good to know actually--I left a piece of my heart in Chicago. Thanks. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:14, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Felicia Day
Hi, thank you. I tried, but something kept messing me up, and so I just stopped before I messed anything up. Thank you for fixing it! :) --Volts and Lightning! (talk) 23:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Category:Alumni of women's universities and colleges
Why are you copying articles from the subcats into this cat? If they're in the subcats then they don't also need to be in the main cat. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In the case of (e.g.) Category:Alumni of St Hilda's College, Oxford, did you look at the tag at the top of the category? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't spot it actually, but I have to say I really don't understand why it's there. What makes these categories special cases? Looks like overcategorisation to me. I can understand why, for instance, articles would be in both Category:British writers and Category:British women writers, but I see no justification for this one at all. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:45, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No clue myself. I would ask the person who tagged them. In fact, it's probably a bad idea as you suggest above. Tell me if you remove the tag and I will remove the articles. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:47, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Ottawahitech, who has now been blocked indefinitely (not by me!). I think the tags should be removed and no further articles added to the parent cat. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll just remove them now. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * All tags removed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Willy Schäfer (actor)
Hi. Oh, I see. A quick web search suggests he played for the club as a youth. Does that count? Looks like he never played professionally. Regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure. I was just going with how he was categorized. :/ ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

A page you started (August by Cake) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating August by Cake, Koavf!

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"Thanks for your article, please add more sources and flesh out the content."

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 Dr Strauss   talk   20:25, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I just made a redirect, not a full article. Others have expanded it. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:32, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * sorry about that, the Page Curation tool doesn't take that into account. Feel free to rollback in future cases.  Thanks,   Dr Strauss   talk   21:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Rename/merge categories
Please see my proposal to speedily merge or rename these categories from “athletes” to “people” for these four states, as the subcategories for 17 of the 21 states use “people”, Hugo999 (talk) 05:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Track and field athletes from Louisiana to Category:Track and field people from Louisiana per C2C.
 * Category:Track and field athletes from Pennsylvania to Category:Track and field people from Pennsylvania
 * Category:Track and field athletes from West Virginia to Category:Track and field people from West Virginia
 * Category:Track and field athletes from Wyoming to Category:Track and field people from Wyoming

Wausaukee, Wisconsin
Hi, Koavf. Regarding your RM for Wausaukee, Wisconsin, I wanted to ask if you were familiar with our existing guideline for US places — did you happen to read it or the FAQ? Your request didn't reference it or say why it shouldn't apply to Wausaukee, Wisconsin, so just wanted to check. Thanks ╠╣uw [ talk ]  20:12, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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S.O.S.
Sorry, don't mean to bother you, but I don't understand your most recent revert of me given your edit summary just linked to a random category. The parametre you removed from the template works, so whatever the problem you think you are solving, it isn't that. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It may be that the template needs to be amended. Maybe you could post to WT:TV? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:34, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * When the parameter was added to the template, the user who did it did not add it to be excluded from that tracking category. Parameter added to the infobox here, requested to add too to the tracking code here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:53, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Category:Basketball players from Indiana
You may have noticed that I removed this category from the player categories that you added it to (such as "Indiana Pacers players"). Here is why - this category isn't for players who play in a certain state - it's for people who are actually "from" there. For example, Luis Scola is in "Indiana Pacers players," but he isn't from Indiana - he is from Argentina. A well-travelled player wouldn't be "from" every state in which he played. In fact, in Scola's case it would be particularly inappropriate because "basketball players from Indiana" is a sub-category of "American basketball players." If you are from a state, you are from the country that state is in. A category on these articles that is appropriate is "Sportspeople in Indiana." If you wanted to create a sub-category of this specifically for basketball players called "basketball players in Indiana" and add it to the team player categories that would be fine, but such a structure doesn't exist today. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 16:46, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I posted to WT:SPORTS about this. The college categories make some sense to me but someone who plays for a professional sports team lives there so he is from there. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No, they aren't. I work in Maryland. I am from Virginia. And the citizenship piece is important. There is an alternative to create an "in" category that would be non-controversial. Why don't you just go this route if it is important to you? Rikster2 (talk) 16:52, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that the citizenship thing is a problem but it's no different than Category:Writers from Paris, which includes many non-France-citizens who live in Paris. Can you give me an example of an Indiana Pacer who doesn't have a house in Indiana? How would that even work? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * (ec) I know the ice hockey project treats people from categories as only the place you were born because you can only be from the place you originated whereas you can live in a place but you are not from there, it wasn't your origin. -DJSasso (talk) 16:54, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Then that's a problem for that project: If someone lives in a certain place for decades, he is from there. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I can definitely see that argument. It really comes down to what information you are trying to convey with a particular category. Our category tree and I am assuming the basketball one is trying to convey where the players were born which is a different thing than where they live. It may also be a philosophical thing, I have lived in a few places in my life but I would never say I was from anywhere but my hometown. If someone asked me where I am from "I would say I live in X but I am from Y." which in my experience is a pretty common response. -DJSasso (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. And I've seen this come up in other places before, too. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:07, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * But it comes down to situational. I think it is reasonable to apply the category to Reggie Miller, who is a 30+ year resident of the state. But applying it to the category essentially applies it to everyone who has ever played a game for the team. Is Tyler Hansbrough from Indiana? Is Alex English? What about Darvin Ham, who played one game for the franchise? Of course not. I personally wouldn't remove the "basketball players from Indiana" category if it were directly on Miller's article, but I don't think the answer is to add it to the category when it is a subset for whom this case might apply. Rikster2 (talk) 17:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah it is definitely tricky. I have seen people bicker about people from categories for over a decade (not to say you all are bickering). If I remember correctly there used to be something along the lines of "People associated with" categories for such situations, but I think those are long gone. -DJSasso (talk) 17:14, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * How would you know where they live? Indianapolis is in the middle of the state, but a team like Philadelphia or New York or Washington could have a house in a neighboring state. Like I said, I work in Maryland but live in Virginia. Also, what about a player who played for the Pacers on a 10-day contract? They aren't necessarily going to rent or own. Rikster2 (talk) 16:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, in the case of Reggie Miller, I've been to his house. But I agree that it's tricky. I don't know what the solution is, so that's why I posted the question. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:00, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I gave you a solution - create "Basketball players in Indiana" as a sub-category of "Sportspeople in Indiana." And populate that. That is unambiguous. Rikster2 (talk) 17:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Apollo 13 (film) in WP Albums
Although I think it looks a little funny to see it tagged under Albums when the primary topic is a film, not an album, I'm persuaded to be liberal about this because the banners are just supposed to signify that certain Wikiprojects are "interested" in the pages (and of course there's no such thing as ownership on Wikipedia). However, I mind very much that you put the banner by itself at the top, giving it undue prominence. It already "belongs" to three other projects, which are nested inside the WikiProjectBannerShell. If you want to re-add Albums, please put it there with them. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure but isn't there a bot that does this anyway? If not, there should be. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:12, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

How to keep track?
Hi. Do you have any suggestion for keeping track of the activity using AWB? I have been tagging talkpages with WikiProject Organized crime, and documenting it here. Is there any better way? — usernamekiran (talk)  11:08, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * AWB includes a log. See the far right of the browser interface for "Log" and "Page Logs". Is that what you need? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Newark 1953
Article corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lamro (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks a lot. For some reason, I have seen this many times on jazz album articles in particular. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Track and field athletes
Moved to full discussion see Category:Track and field people from Wyoming etc Hugo999 (talk) 22:57, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything there... ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Bananas
I don't understand this edit of yours. In what sense is this a Bananarama album cover? -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * None at all! Thanks for alerting me. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Just nature's way of nudging you to take a half-hour break! -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Well spoken. This is my last spate of edits for the next six hours or so while I visit Slumberland. Keep up the good fite while I'm zonked out. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Album cover categories question
Hi Justin, thanks for creating Category:Fred Frith album covers and for populating it. I see that each File page (eg File:FredFrith AlbumCover Speechless(1981).jpg) is now sitting in the new category and its parent, Category:Album covers. Category:Album covers says "Pages in this category should be moved to subcategories where applicable", implying that the parent category should be removed. But the parent category can't be removed because it's placed there by the Non-free album cover template. Any ideas on how to fix this? All I can think of is that a parameter needs to be added to the template whereby that category can be switched off. —Bruce1eetalk 10:41, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As you can see below, there is a likely solution. I can imagine how this could work. Let me see if I can do it. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:42, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that would help. —Bruce1eetalk 21:21, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Question re: category copying
I am curious about. Why are you copying categories instead of moving into a subcategory? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:21, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Album covers is added by a template. Now, the template could be amended to add a field like, " " that would automatically add the artist but it simply doesn't have it at the moment. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:31, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I'm not sure how editors are supposed to follow the tag request to "Pages in this category should be moved to subcategories where applicable", if templates keep pages in the parent category, but your reply is helpful. Thanks again! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:08, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That part is simple: they can't. I was thinking about amending the template just yesterday nite while editing the individual files. This is the sort of thing that is almost bot-able but I'm just too ignorant on how to do that myself. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:18, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Same. If you know a place to pass the idea along to someone else, feel free. Having a Wikipedia category with nearly 175,000 entries bugs me, but I have no idea how to address this. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:BOTREQUEST. Again, in principle, it shouldn't be too hard but there are a few steps to it: if the bot checks the article that the file is used on and finds "Category:foo * albums (with a wildcard there for if it's e.g. Category:R.E.M. live albums or just Category:R.E.M. albums), then goes back to the file and replaces with  and that would generate the category Category:R.E.M. album covers. (And the template itself would need to be modified to allow for such categories to be added.) In principle, I understand the basic steps of what would be required but no idea how to do them. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:25, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Star Trek Discovery The Vulcan Hello
It seems that you and I (and some others) are largely duplicating each other edits; I just tried to add several paragraphs that had essentially already been added. As you are more active here than I am, I'm going to back off and let the rest of you do your work. I'll come back later and see if there's something I think important that was missed. Thanks for your work, and as we used to say back in the day, happy editing! Alden Loveshade (talk) 04:23, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No please--I would actually prefer if you did it. Thanks a lot! ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that. But frankly, I'm sleepy and ready to go to bed.  I'll look at it again tomorrow (or later today, depending on time zone). Alden Loveshade (talk) 04:28, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Pete Davidson
I am the main contributor, which the article's edit history should show. Nightscream (talk) 20:14, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I started the article and added the first citations and "it is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor". Will you please stop moving citations? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:33, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * See also https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Pete_Davidson. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:35, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Starting the article and adding the first citations is not what the phrase "main contributor" means, and I'm perplexed that you would think this. First contributor maybe, but not main contributor, which would refer to the person responsible for the most amount of content in the article, and I noticed that on that XTools page you just linked to above, is this line:


 * Max. text added 2015-09-14, 03:18 • Nightscream • 3,924


 * That seems fairly conclusive. And about those citations? Well, if you go to the article's edit history, and view the Last 500 edits page, and scroll down to September 2015, you'll see my first big expansion of the article. this is what it looked like before I did my first major expansion. This is that first expansion, and you'll notice that it doubled the citation in the article from 9 to 17. Here is the next big expansion I did a year later, in September 2016 (adding one cite), then another addition of content a month later, including two more cites, then another one this past March, in which I added more material, including four more citations, before the most recent one today, in which I added one more cite. So how many of the article's 30 citations were added by me, and how many were added by you?


 * And in the interests of consistency with the other articles on Wikipedia, which format is more common for citations, the current one, or the one to which you keep changing it? Obviously, it is the former.


 * If this does not satisfy you, then we can hold a consensus discussion, and have other editors weigh in. Let me know what you wish to do. Nightscream (talk) 21:51, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say "main" it says "first major" which I am. Which is more common? The kind you prefer but that's not relevant; American English is much more common than Hiberno-English but there are still articles that are written with that variation. Both of your claims are irrelevant. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The full sentence is:


 * "As with spelling differences, it is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor or adopted by the consensus of editors already working on the page, unless a change in consensus has been achieved."


 * I believe the second half of that sentence is applicable to my position. Nightscream (talk) 22:02, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * If there were a consensus for only one style, there would have been nothing to move. I have moved refs to the template several times in the history of this article (including having this same discussion with you). If you'd like to help me move the rest, that would be appreciated. Otherwise, please stop adding citations in the incorrect style or at the very least, stop malforming them. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:14, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

I do not know what you are referring to by "malforming", but I am not going to abstain from adding citations to articles that need them simply because editor does not like the format in which I do so. WP:V, WP:CS, et al., are far more fundamental to Wikipedia and my editing activities than your opinion on their formats, so if you don't like that I don't use templates, then feel free to add them. Nightscream (talk) 22:36, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Again, no one suggested abstaining from adding citations (where did I say or imply this?) so your point is off-track and wasted energy. I'm suggesting that you please add them in the manner that you are supposed to. If you are unwilling to do that, then please do not make existing citations be malformed and placed incorrectly in the body of the article. I certainly can't oblige you to do everything that you are supposed to do--you're a volunteer just like me--but I can certainly request you not undo my work, which is as it is supposed to be. Furthermore, if you'd like to be particularly helpful on this article, you can help me fill in complete citations and move them to the Reflist template. I don't expect you to do that but it would be nice. Thanks. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:39, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Birthday discrepancy
Your userpage states a different birthday than the article about you. Just wanted to bring this to your attention in case it's not a deliberate in-joke or some such. --2001:4DD7:4C80:0:F898:981E:DC93:88CE (talk) 05:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It's maybe mildly embarrasing and certainly obscure but I'm a believer that life begins before birth, so that's how I am "dating" my age. I think I should remove it for clarity's sake. Thanks. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:17, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Tom Waits genre
Hi, I am inviting past editors of the Tom Waits article to contribute to the discussion at Talk:Tom_Waits. I am in dispute with User:TheOldJacobite, who has reverted even my sourced changes and ignored my appeals to discuss the issue. Please express your opinion on the issue if it interests you.-- MA SHAUN IX 18:04, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Splitting out musical groups by number cats
I have nominated several specific categories today and yesterday (see Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 4 for example) which you may wish to comment on, based on the previous discussion. Mangoe (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Cat-a-far too many
Just wondering how you managed to have such difficulty moving File:Drake - Find Your Love.jpg into a category, given Cat-a-lot autocomplete categories and makes it difficult for you to categorise files into non existant categories. Did you encounter technical problems, or were you rushing and simply inattentive. I'm sure I don't need to remind you, but that sort of edit (which someone else had to actually fix) is disruptive for those patrolling recent changes and those with the file on their watchlists. Nick (talk) 19:54, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I moved it there per the speedy move request based on consistency with the main name. Did you see Category:Drake album covers? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * How did it end up in two categories which didn't exist (Category:Drake (musiican) album covers then Category:Drake (rapper) album covers) before finally being categorised at Category:Drake (musician) album covers (which you created specifically for this file). Nick (talk) 20:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The former isn't exactly a mystery: it was just a misspelling. I noticed it and tried to fix it but copied rather than moved it to the second name, which is where I recalled the artist's biography being located. I then checked to see if that was the case and it wasn't, so I properly moved it from the (rapper) name to the (musician) one. Is that clear? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As clear as mud. I note there's also an issue with the category you created too (now empty, tagged for merging). Nick (talk) 22:09, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If there's something that you're not understanding, please let me know. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:10, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why it took 6 edits to add a category to File:Drake - Take Care cover.jpg, as well as the additional edits to the other 26 files in Category:Drake album covers. Category:Drake (musician) album covers was created on September 24, earlier in this thread you said it was "per the speedy move request" - that request is located here.

At the time you acted on the move request, three editors (including myself) opposed the move (with the only support coming from the nominator). The discussion is still open and no other pages seem to have been touched - yet you haven't left a comment at the discussion. What's going on? Jon Kolbert (talk) 22:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I assumed that since it was a speedy request which was identical to dozens that I've made before, it would be speedily moved. It was only now that I even realized that anyone objected. If you want to alert me to it at the source, you can use ping--otherwise, I'm not liable to see it. Edit: "At the time you acted on the move request"... what? ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:58, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Did you not check the nomination before you re-categorized the files? No editor should have to ping you in order for you to verify if there is consensus at the nomination before proceeding with a move. Jon Kolbert (talk) 00:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The nomination came after the categorization, so no. I'm not suggesting anyone is obliged to ping anyone, merely that it's helpful and it keeps you from having to watch every page where you post something (e.g. I am pinging you here). ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:35, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Tom Petty
Justin, I was disappointed to see that you have continued to edit-war to force in the change to the navbox you want... and with an insulting edit summary to boot. I'm not going to revert you, so you have "won" the edit war you started, but you have lost much of the respect I had for your substantial contributions to this site with your tactics. 28bytes (talk) 13:22, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually changed it to a different version that was not what I initially thought was best. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:56, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Template:Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 17:59, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
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 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Ice hockey players from Indiana


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 * Thanks. I am very appreciative of your work as well--particularly in developing AWB. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:31, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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Album articles
I'm using the album track listing template because it organizes the track listings into columns for song titles, songwriters, and length of songs (minutes and seconds). This looks better aesthetically and makes the information easier to read. Jimknut (talk) 04:26, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * But you're applying it on articles where there is already an established style for several years. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:23, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It was my attempt to improve the look of the article. I think I'm doing this, especially to articles which are not particularly well developed. However, if there is so much opposition I won't bother with it anymore. Jimknut (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you in fact added important info on the Roy Orbison album article--thanks for doing that. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:06, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * So, what do you think? Should I continue or stop?  Are they any other people (to your knowledge, at least) "weighing in" on this? On the next album I would be doing (I'm going in chronological order), The Great Songs of Roy Orbison, there is a "P" listed after each song.  There is no explanation for what this is. Possibly "produced", but this is only a presumption on my part. Also, I've noticed that some information is not spelled correctly and is redirecting to it's intended link.  In redoing the track listing I'm correcting this information.  Finally, I'm a big Orbison fan and think that the articles on his albums need improvement.Jimknut (talk) 16:29, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You could check the style guide for WP:ALBUM which only recommends track listing when examples are complicated. Clearly, you are providing several improvements to articles, so I don't want to dissuade you from improving them but I dislike the template and don't think it's an improvement. If you want to solicit more feedback, I would recommend posting to WT:ALBUM. Thanks for asking and for editing. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:22, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

hmm
most cases some of those cat talk pages are overloaded like shopping bags of project tags - since you are adding, what are you like on intelligent (that is not over-doing it, over-associating etc) tagging of nuclear warfare and related cats :) ?

for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuclear_weapons_of_the_United_Kingdom or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuclear_weapons_testing_by_country

why I ask is double jeopardy - I spend a lot of time qualifying sub projects on items on australian items that you have tagged...

but also as you are a volume editor on the talk page side - and I am interested in where very very spurious project association for things like nuclear weapons etc (why not cold war project for instance)

any thoughts? JarrahTree 06:02, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The only instinct I have here is that the members of the WikiProject are usually the best bet on whether or not something "counts". Unless it's obviously not related, if they want to take responsibility for the well-being of an article, I say go for it. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:05, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


 * very well replied if you dont mind me saying so - many projects have eds who never go on talk pages or even admit project tags exist - for that I can and will compliment your contributions to many items on the Australian project - it really is appreciated - by at least getting a project tag on the talk page - which I always believe is better than a red link talk page...   But I hear your main reply - thanks for your reply JarrahTree 06:09, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course, cheers, Jarrah. Let me know if I can help somehow in the future. Goodonya. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:10, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * omg - not another person from the country I cannot name - who has been exposed to the blistering Australian speech abberrations ? sigh  JarrahTree 06:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * One of my favorite teachers in high school was from Geelong. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:16, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * owzat! one of the great outposts of   geelong was a vast automobile manufacturing site - now no longer providing  - 's gift to the planet - the oz car industry is now former/kerplunkt  - oh well there are some very important verbal atrocities to keep your fellow country persons totally flummoxed - enjoy !!!

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Halloween cheer!


Happy Halloween!

Hello Koavf: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  North America1000 03:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.


 * And a safe and spooky one to you, too! ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:20, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Trick or treat! North America1000 08:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

File:Animal Crossing Pocket Camp instructions.jpg listed for discussion
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London, England, United Kingdom
"Not everyone knows where London is or that England is a part of the UK". No, there are perhaps a few who don't and for them the link to London provides the easy answer to their question. The majority of articles that mention London are subject to British usage anyway and no one in Great Britain ever refers to London as "London, England". As for "London, England, UK", why don't you add "Europe" in case anyone doesn't know which continent we are in. Perhaps we should have a sitewide campaign to add New York State and USA to the New York City link wherever it appears. Jack &#124; talk page 17:39, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you're responding here and at your talk: your talk indicates that you want centralized discussion but okay. "The majority of articles that mention London are subject to British usage" I have no clue what that means and I would like to see some data to support that. As I mentioned several times now, many infoboxes have documentation saying that the country a person is from should be listed--that's pretty basic information. Not everyone knows that London is in England and far less even realize that England is in the United Kingdom. Better to just be consistent to either guess whether everyone knows that Bogota is in Colombia or make them have to click thru to find out--just list it in the infobox. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:45, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I've checked a few infobox templates and, although there is considerable variety and much ambiguity, there does seem to be a standard of sorts for "origin" and "birthplace" variables. I notice that in some given examples, the birthplace is "city, county, country" and the origin is then "city" or "country" (if city unknown) only, which is as per template instructions. These variables are optional, though, and sometimes the attributes themselves are optional so what we have is yet another woolly GNG-style set of "guidelines" that can cause confusion. On balance, I accept that there is a standard as such so I have used AWB to revert the changes I did yesterday, even though "London, England" is not a British usage just as, I presume, few if any Americans would use "New York City, New York State, USA". By the way, "England, UK" is an absolute nonsense.
 * To try and resolve your confusion above, "British usage" simply means the way we use our language. American usage is how you lot mangle and misspell our language . We never say "London, England" because, well, London is London. We would say "London, Ontario" to specify that, obviously. Articles about subjects that have a strong London connection (e.g., the Rolling Stones have worldwide fame but originated in London, J. G. Ballard was born in Shanghai but died in London) are invariably written (or should be written) in Template:British English and, therefore, the terminology, spelling, grammar, etc. in the article should reflect the way that English is used in Great Britain (i.e., British usage). Hope that helps. Jack &#124; talk page 07:47, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this. I still think that the UK is not some special exemption from mentioning the (sovereign) state, tho--I would never put in an infobox "Mobile, Alabama" and just expect someone to know that Alabama is part of the US. Similarly, I would not anticipate that it is common knowledge that England is a part of the UK (in fact, it's not--at least here in the States). ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:55, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Please provide edit summaries and citations for information you add. And regarding revert
Regarding the article Association of Academies of the Spanish Language. And regarding the revert of my move, I had added ASALE in the title because it is the standalone acronym that is used as a name for the association sometimes in news articles or other information, so it is not true that there is zero need for this, although I won't initiate a controversy about it and I will leave it as you moved it. Btw, google "asale" and probably the first entry you will notice has "ASALE" in parenthesis as I put it. Feel free to check that link which is the official site of Asale (if it is the same one I see) and you will see plenty of instances of "ASALE" being used as a standalone name. Thinker78 (talk) 06:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC) edited 06:48, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * tps The problem is that the acronym is redundant and synonymous to the name itself, and the WP:PRECISION part of the article-title policy says article-titles should be minimal, and that parentheticals generally mean to distinguish different meanings of an ambiguous term. If it's all part of the title, then both the name and acronym need to be written. Instead, "ASALE" is a separate WP:REDIRECT to the article itself, so using either name or acronym would work. DMacks (talk) 06:53, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you please link to the diff that didn't have an edit summary? We don't put the full name and short name of an organization in the title--e.g. United Nations (UN) or National Football League (NFL): we'll use one or the other. Usually, if it can be pronounced as a word (e.g. "yoonesko") it will be the initialism. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:12, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You can view history of the article Association of Academies of the Spanish Language. But here is a link, with a wikipedia-provided text in the edit summary and no edit summary provided by Koavf: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Association_of_Academies_of_the_Spanish_Language&oldid=808230233. Thinker78 (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. MediaWiki did generate a section-level edit summary which I admit is not at all informative. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * And thanks for working on the ASALE article! ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:39, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Regarding your revert in article "Association of Academies of the Spanish Language"
I disagree with your revert and I posted my reasons on the talk page of the article. Thinker78 (talk) 07:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Morales (The Walking Dead) picture
Hi User:Koavf, wondered can you get a season 8 image of Morales (The Walking Dead) for the article's infobox please? Cheers, Theo (edits) 07:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It would probably be easier for someone else to do it--I have only watched 20 minutes of the show and don't have any digital copies of it. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, do you know of any users who you think could get an image from the last episode please? Theo (edits) 07:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I would check WT:TV or WT:HORROR. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:47, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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November 2017 - Plot in the lead section
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We don't put a paragraph of plot in the lead section. Take it to the article's Talk page where others can comment, including those from WT:FILM. Get consensus or leave it alone. - Gothicfilm (talk) 18:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

2017 Happy birthday!

 * Happy my birthday to you, too! ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:36, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

an help for Sabrina Ferilli, Milena Miconi and Katrin Heß
Good morning from Coreca, I'm writing to say hello and know how you are, it's an honor to talk to you. I'm pretty good for now, engaged in my tourist-cultural association. I've seen you as a user of the most experienced and good at finding solutions for any need. I ask you a courtesy if you can and want to help these 3 biographies to be expanded and up-to-date, the actresses Miconi and Ferilli have often come to visit my town, indeed in honor of the true, Amantea, the city's capital. Of course if I can do something for you, Italian, Sicilian and other Italian languages im' at your complete disposal. Courtesy for courtesy, that's my motto. a fervent greeting from Calabria and the little Coreca--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 07:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I noticed now, but I'm still in time. So many, many happy birthday wishes! A small big goal ... another 100 years in good health and happiness!--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 07:28, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Grazie, grazie. I can take a look soon. My Italian is not so good but my Spanish is okay. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Good evening Justin,
 * I'm writing to thank you, greet you and know how your birthday went. I'm pretty good for now. tomorrow at noon after tomorrow I will translate the page of Sabrina Ferilli in spanish, so that you can translate it correctly and fluently in English. You are a great person, one who keeps his work on Wikipedian, honest and working. Thank you very much for what you did and you will do. If I can translate anything for you, do not hesitate to ask for it. a fraternal greetings from Coreca--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 17:11, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * perdona mi ingles feo, me gusta hablar muchismo en los idiomas neolatinos. gracias todavia
 * Tu ingles es bueno. Tambien, me gustan mucho los idiomas latinos (mas que las idiomas germánicas). ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Bueno, entoces iré a traducir el articulo de Sabrina, pienso que mas o menos para jueves serà ya en español. Si luego yo puedo hacer algo para ti en italiano, siciliano, piamontes, milanes, venetico, napolitano y otros idiomas italianos seré mas contento y feliz de hacero! un gran abrazo desde Coreca mi hermano mayor!--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 17:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

A review for Sabrina Ferilli
Good morning Justin, I'm writing to say hello, thank you and know how you are. I'm pretty good for now. I just translated the article on Sabrina Ferilli to good. I ask you to kindly review it, if you can correct the language cataclysm I have combined, the hurry is a bad friend and I'm always running. Please ask for a re-reading and restoration of shaky periods, morphology and syntax. For now I thank you in advance. If I can do something for you, I am fully available. Thanks again and greetings from Coreca--Luigi Salvatore Vadacchino (talk) 11:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I have fixed up the English but there are still ways to improve the article. Let me know if you want more help. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:10, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Category:Fauna of Northern Cyprus has been nominated for discussion
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References to pop culture
Hi Koavf I have seen that some musicians articles use the pop culture reference section, but mine just got rejected because of trivia reasons, I would like to know how would be the best way to add this kind of information and when this kind of sections are invalid? new on Wikipedia editing Cocoalasca (talk) 21:56, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. I realize that it can be difficult to understand all of the information that should and shouldn't be included (and I definitely make mistakes myself!) Have you seen "In popular culture" content or Handling trivia yet? Simply put, someone like Warren Zevon has had his music included in many pieces of media, so listing all of them would be 1.) very difficult, 2.) result in a lot of trivial information that would outweigh his biography, and 3.) would be a nitemare to source and maintain in any accurate way. If you have noticed a trend in using a particular song and then also have a source that mentions that, it's probably best to put it at that song's article. E.g. if "Werewolves of London" is frequently used in comedy horror films and you have a source showing how this has become a common occurrence, then you can include that. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:26, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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