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Less dry style for figure skating bio's
I am just an occasional anonymous reader/sometimes editor, and skating fan. I like your work on the figure skater bio pages. But I wonder why no mention of Yu-Na Kim and Asada Mao being linked in the media due to their ages, ranking etc. I know there are lots of stupid people who try and turn it into some kind of racist attack on one or the other of these wonderful skaters, but for the rest of us, it's simply a fact that Mao and Yu-Na are closely linked in the mass media by their age, ability and constant competition. I am a Yu-Na fan from Tokyo and she is alway on the television here, in the same pieces as Mao-chan. Also my Korean friends say that Mao is treated similarly in Korea. I think this is significant details about Mao and Yu-Na for readers of Wikipedia, provided it can be phrased in such a way to avoid any kind of racist sentiment or feeling of sensationalism. Also- is it possible to get a picture of Shizuka Arakawa for the Ina Bauer article? Hers is the best and most famous, after all! Maybe for the Arakawa page too- it is her signature move, along with the y-spiral and the donuts spin.

Probably I cannot read your reply, but I wish you good luck with your wiki works in the future. Thankyou for supporting great skaters and skating in general.

User talk:David Spart/Chabad Messianism
Following a recent wheel-war over Controversies of Chabad-Lubavitch in which PinchasC did not let me write an article on Chabad Messianism even after an AfD implied consensus for such an article I was advised to write such an article in my user space. I have now done so and would be grateful for any feedback from you before I put it up. David Spart 00:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Notable competitions
I notice you've been undoing some of my changes to remove non-notable competitions from skaters' results tables.

NACS were developmental events, not elite competitions. In the US, selections were under control of the athlete development committee rather than the international committee that selects athletes for "real" international competitions. Most every US national novice competitor and many intermediates were offered the chance to participate in them. Participation in these events doesn't make the skaters concerned notable.

Similarly, having results at qualifying competitions below the national level doesn't provide any evidence of notability for the skater concerned. In particular, anyone can enter regionals.

Mid-Atlantics is a club competition sponsored by the SC of New York, not a regional qualifying event. Anyone can enter that event, and having a result at it is not evidence of notability. Ditto for Skate Detroit, Liberty Open, Golden West, Broadmoor Open, and some others I've been weeding out of the results tables.

Part of the reason why I want to get rid of these things is that any skater who is truly notable will have plenty of other, more notable competition results to put in their articles. And it will avoid confusion in dealing with cases like Zsa Zsa Riordan, who could fill up a table of her own with results from similarly meaningless competitions that do nothing to establish her notability. Dr.frog 03:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no problem getting rid of most of those, but I'd prefer to keep regionals and sectionals in. They are qualifying competitions for Nationals, and so while placing at one of those doesn't make a skater notable, it does mean the skater gets to go to Nationals. I also think it's interesting to see, at a glance, how a skater did at Nationals vs how he or she made it there (like winning sectionals, but placing 14th, or placing 4th at sectionals and getting on the podium). Of course regionals and sectionals don't establish notability, but I think they're important enough competitions by virtue of feeding into nationals. Sure, they don't make a skater notable, but I think they deserve to be in a list of highlights. Kolindigo 21:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am an irregular anon. contributor and I usually defer to regular editors; but I think it is relevant that the articles on Asada Mao and Yu-Na Kim mention each other. Both skaters are almost exactly the same age, height, and have very similar ability, and always compete for first place at major international events. It's difficult to explain this without making an oversimplification that they are cartoonish "rivals" but even so, they are indeed rivals in a very real sense, and the Japanese and Korean media never seems to mentioned one without the other. My IP changes so I probably can't reply further, but I will trust your judgement. Also, the Arakawa Shizuka article, which thanks to you, maybe me and a couple of others, has slowly been getting better and less like a mix up of fan-pages, could still use more help to make it smoother and more concise! Anyway, good work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.17.48.235 (talk) 04:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

Help for figure skating bios requested
sorry but my grammer is not that brilliant, neither my style in English. You just marked a few as a stub, what is OK. Erich Zeller, Uschi Keszler, Didier Gailhaguet, Rico Rex and Sally-Anne Stapleford. Could you please help? Thank you very much. Uwe Langer 21:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, nothing wrong with stubs. But some of these translations were rather difficult. So I am not sure about the correct English. Thats all. Uwe Langer 21:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Goldenskate.com
Please stop spamming links to this website, thanks. If the website has information you wish to use, please incorporate and cite it. RJASE1 Talk  01:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not spamming. I still can't understand why you decided to remove every single link to this site from wikipedia instead of simply reverting every spammed link by User:Gsk8 Kolindigo 01:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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Capitol Steps Synchronized Skating Teams
I basically started a stub to keep people from posting information about the skating team in the Capitol Steps article. The comedy troupe has been around longer, and is more notable...at least within the United States (they're not very widely known outside the US). If you move forward with the prod, go ahead - it's not even on my watchlist. But I would ask that some kind of dab statement be left on Capitol Steps to keep information about the skating team from creeping back into that article. Perhaps the skating team can be merged into some article about Virginia, or one of the towns they practice in.... --JohnDBuell 11:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox edit
Hi there, I'm very sorry for revert-editing your sandbox text. I noticed it too late. It showed up in the recent changes list as a mayor edit and didn't notice it as a sandbox edit. Again, I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. :) With kind regards, MisteryX

Attempt to delete subcategory of Jewish figure skaters
Well, they are trying to delete a subcategory of Jewish athletes again. This time, figure skaters. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_14#Category:Jewish_figure_skaters. I pointed out to the originator of the attempt that we had addressed this general issue already with the main category and with Jewish fencers, where the attempts failed. Still, they insist on trying to delete this category. Any help by your weighing in on the issue would be appreciated. Thanks again. --Epeefleche 00:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)--Epeefleche 20:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You didn't mean to post this to me, did you? ;) Look, I've got no problem with subcats of Jewish athletes. I just don't think Athletes by Relgion by Sport is that worth it, and if we have Jewish figure skaters, we need to have Catholic figure skaters and Protestant Figure Skaters and it just becomes a headache.Kolindigo 02:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * On added thought, who do you mean by "they"? Kolindigo 02:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. If you take a glance at my comments on the discussion page, you will see two ways that I distinguish the Jews from the others that you mention. First, the Jews are a nation in a sense that the others are not. Second, when approaching notability from the Wiki standpoint, we can distinguish the Jewish athletes. Take a glance, for example, at http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:Z_Z5ZAb0HOAJ:www.jewishworldreview.com/0206/bloom_olympics06.php3+jewish+%22figure+skaters%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us. These articles appear all the time. The same is the case with Jewish sports halls of fame, such as the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, which has inducted some of these figure skaters.

By "they" I refer to those who tried to delete categories such as Jewish sportspeople and Jewish Fencers in the past. Their efforts were rejected. And yet, they are trying to do the same here. Editors such as ProveIt and coelacan and Abberley2 were all involved, for example, in the recent failed attempt to have jewish fencers removed as a category. I personally think it is a waste of our time for them to try again here, category by category. But when I asked them to drop it for that reason, they refused. --Epeefleche 02:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You missed my point. I'm the one who nominated it, and I did it without having any idea that such discussions had already ocurred at nauseum or knowing who the major players are. I'm active in WikiProject Figure Skating, not WikiProject Judiasm. As for Jews being a nation and a culture as well as a religion, that's very true. But being Jewish is not a nationality in the same way that being Israeli or American is. All the other skaters are categorized by which country they represent in competition. No one shows up representing Judaism. Kolindigo 02:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I do stand corrected. Proveit was the second, not the first, person, to take the position tha you started.  While you were not familiar with the fact that this has already been discussed, though, he is -- since he started this discussion, which is one that I referred to, and which was joined in by two of the others.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_4#Category:Jewish_fencers I believe that no new issues are raised by anyone on this discussion, and that it is therefore redundant of the jewish fencers discussion.  Many of the same issues were raised and discussed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Jews_in_sports .  I think that it is a wast of all of our time to have repeated votes for each category.

I recognize that you were not aware of the history. Perhaps reviewing it, as well as my comments, you might reconsider your position? This is just a time-saver for all, as it appears to me that the same comments will ultimately be made, with the same result. I would hate to have to go through this for each sport ... we can all do more constructive things with our time -- even on Wikipedia!

As far as your comment about Jews as a nation, I agree. They are not a nation the same way that Israel is a nation. At the same time, they are a nation within the meaning of the Wiki definition. Per Wiki. And they are "more" of a nation that the other religions that you mentioned. --Epeefleche 02:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Figure Skating
Hi, I am very suprised how quickly you find my new figure skating artikles. Well I highly appreciate that you do. But how do you do that? I would like to re-use your technique. Well, I have result lists of all Europeans, all Worlds and most of the Worlds Juniors. Shall we all really put them in here? I am a bit insecure about it. Also it keeps me bussy for years! ...and also thanks for correcting my English. Sorry, but it is just not my mother-tongue. Uwe Langer 21:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey. :) I find a lot of new skating articles in one of two ways: either by already having the red link on my watchlist, or by clicking on the "contribs" link next to a name. As for results pages, I would love it if you made them! It's hard for me to find online results for competitions that took place before 1999 and I think it would be wonderful to have those results on wikipedia. But, hey, if you don't have time, no pressure. :) Kolindigo 01:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, well it just takes time. Worlds, Europeans and Olympics i have in an EXCEL-table. I could send that one to you. So you have the results and you can sort them as you want. So it is easy to find the places per skater. To do so, i need your E-mail address. I just validated mine here in Wikipedia. Just send me a mail. Uwe Langer 20:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks - and a request?
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Category:Creators who do not acquiesce to fan fiction
Hello. I have nominated a category you have created, Category:Creators who do not acquiesce to fan fiction, for deletion. The discussion is here. Kolindigo 22:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the notice! I've commented to the relevant discussion. —SlamDiego 03:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ellen DeGeneres
Hi, regarding my edit to Ellen DeGeneres, I do realize that using a tabloid as a reference is not such a good idea and the wording was probably bad. But there are multiple mentions on many sites (see this google search) and there is also a mention of it here. Can we not include the information, maybe present it in a better way? - Two  Oars  04:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with including the info, I'm just concerned about slander issues and proper references. If you can get real, reliable refs, that's great. If not, I don't think it's make-or-break info. Kolindigo 04:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know about blp. What I meant was that maybe you can take a look at that google search and see which is a reliable source... I thought E! News is pretty reliable, but you say its a tabloid and therefore not reliable. I wouldn't know. Maybe transcripts.cnn.com? But then again, this makes only a passing mention of it. Thanks. - Two  Oars  04:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And yes, its really not that important. Its just that I use Wikipedia as my primary reference and was a teensy bit annoyed that I came to know of this from some other source when there's no mention of it here. :) If there is no reliable source in that google search, well I am leaving this matter alone. - Two  Oars  04:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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Peter Kennedy -- folk musician
Ok, I've created Peter Kennedy (folk musician). I meant to get back to it, but forgot. I'm going through "What links here" on the Peter Kennedy page. I'll do anything that's obviously a reference to a musician, you can do the ones that are obviously figure skating, and we'll share the rest. -- TimNelson 09:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
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Zaytsev
Hi, Kolindigo! First of all, I apologize for reverting your move without explanation&mdash;I got so pre-occupied with cleaning up various Zaytsevs that I did not notice that one of my moves was speedily reverted by you! I see you moved Alexander Gennadiyevich Zaitsev back once again, so here is my reasoning.

Names of Russian people in Wikipedia are romanized using WP:RUS, which is a guideline designed specifically for this task. As per WP:RUS, the Russian last name Зайцев should be romanized as "Zaytsev". Of course, this is not to say that no exceptions are possible (the main article about Tchaikovsky, for example, is located at Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, and not at "Chaykovsky", as WP:RUS prescribes). For most of the exceptions, however, we usually document them on the articles' talk pages.

"Zaitsev", incidentally, is not incorrect; it is merely an alternative way to romanize this last name (other ways include "Zaitseff", "Zaicev", "Zajtsev", and many others). For standardization purposes, however, we try to stick with WP:RUS (as, obviously, an article may only have one main title). Exceptions are always made when it is known for a fact that the person has a preference for a different spelling in English, or when publications by (not about!) this person consistently use a non-WP:RUS spelling, or when a person is extremely well-know in English under a non-WP:RUS spelling (such as Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, etc.). For more obscure people (many sports personalities included), making exceptions does more harm than good as it makes location of the articles unpredictable and inconsistent. This, I belive, has been discussed previously elsewhere (in the past, I was actually asked to clean up categories Russian cross-country skiers and Soviet cross-country skiers so they would comply with WP:RUS).

Anyway, if you know much about this particular Zaytsev and believe that a spelling exception is justified, I would ask you to please document it on the article's talk page. Otherwise, if you could move the article back to what the Wikipedia guidelines prescribe, that'd be great, too.

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Category: Queer Wikipedians
A discussion is going on that concerns you. Recently, the category Queer Wikipedians was deleted, and all pages were removed from the category. I see that you have added yourself back into the now-deleted category, thus re-creating it. This has created quite a stir over at WP:Village pump (policy). (the deletion discussions may be found at WP:User categories for discussion/Archive/October 2007 and WP:User categories for discussion/Archive/October 2007) Unless I'm mistaken, no one has spoken to you about the issue, and it seems like your input may be helpful. superlusertc 2008 January 08, 06:59 (UTC)
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 * Go re-install MSN you dork! Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 05:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Medal table
Hey there. I noticed you undid my precious edit. Which is fine, but I thought medal tables, just like with the Olympics, are ranked by amount of gold medals won, then silver, and then bronze. So that one gold counts more than any amount of silvers and bronzes (for example this table). I didn't realize that figure skating applied a different system. Cheers. Lampoz (talk) 05:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Randy Gardner
The sentence about Randy Gardner revealing that he is gay in a 2006 magazine article is "explicitly referenced' - it states in the PEOPLE magazine article of May 26, 2008 ("Together Forever") that he "revealed he is gay in a 2006 magazine article" - I referenced it along with the information about him finding his birth mother, in the same paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.244.219 (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Never mind - I found another source that mentioned the actual name of the magazine in which he came out (Scene), so I referenced that one instead.64.222.244.219 (talk) 16:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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