User talk:Kosboot/Archive 2

Archive for 2011

Robert Stoepel
Nice to see that one created! Good job.--Milowent • talkblp-r 02:41, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I like the article and successfully nominated it for DYK. Perhaps you want to consider a suggestion of the reviewer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I liked it as it is, so did the reviewer who approved only a few hours later. If you are serious about a hold, to have time for more improvement, please place a comment under the nomination. There is one more example of that kind, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Stoepel
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   10:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Le dernier sorcier
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   09:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For Brahms and Baden-Baden, this is now featured on Portal:Germany. If you have more DYK related to Germany, feel free to place it there yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

The Fall of the City
You found the opera! I had come across a vague mentions of it, but not enough to bring it into the article.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;(t) 17:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * (reply) Great. I was hoping someone else would take an interest in the article. I had enough sources to create the article and get it to a reasonable stub status with what I had, but I would be happy to admit my draft version was aiming to state the case for the need of an article, rather than providing a finished product. FlowerpotmaN &middot;(t) 17:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Musical theatre
As I noted on the project talk page, I also disagree with the proliferation of categories. What can we do with the four existing categories that I listed, and that Aristophanes was beginning to populate? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I really don't think he understands the issue. Now he wants "Musicals by x" - but doesn't answer why.  It doesn't serving any purpose other than providing a shortcut for people who want all their links immediately.  Does WP have any guidelines on why something should/should not be categorized?  Perhaps a future solution is for this specific project to put forth guidelines, and explain why some are not useful.  I've noted that plenty of categories are changed years after they've been set up (a favorite:  "British Jews" - keeps on changing because they can't agree on the appropriate wording).  So maybe the solution is to let him have his fun, and stake out guidelines for the future - and then in the future, enough people will question what was done in the past and amend it. -- kosboot (talk) 21:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Woolson Morse
Hi. I see you added a photo of an "unmarked grave" that you photographed yourself. Can you explain, on the image page, how you know it is his grave? Usually, photos of graves show the grave itself saying who is buried there, but in this case, I think we need more for verifiability. Thanks for any help! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:07, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Johann Friedrich Agricola and other composers
Hi. I was about to look at Johann Friedrich Agricola and then I saw you have put the MT banner on it. I'm wondering whether it would be better to leave all the composers with the Composers Project and concentrate on 'doable' theory articles? I think this would make our task much easier. What do you think? Best. -- Klein zach  00:09, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Banners on categories
Hi. I see you have been putting Music theory banners on categories. Is there a special reason for this? Normally we only put banners on articles. Thanks. -- Klein zach  01:54, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi - I put them there because I see others do it with other projects. Just as there is a "list" assessment category, so many have a "category" category in their assessments.  I was trying to figure out if it's redundant, and I don't think it is.  You think it is? -- 01:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * (Let's keep this here!). I think it's OK to put banners on cats if it's for a specific purpose, otherwise it's just tends to confuse project article stats. I'm a believer in the KISS principle! I also think we should avoid territory marking, something that can blight WP. -- Klein zach  01:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. No more banners in categories.  I see others are working on music terminology, although I prefer to work on the people.  I'll be away this week, but intend to start creating articles on some of the theorists from that list. -- kosboot (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Monte Carlo
Thanks for providing the additional information. I always wondered who he really was! Hohenloh  + 11:56, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So did I! Leave it to the NY Times & Variety. -- kosboot (talk) 12:18, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

McCaull Comic Opera Company
I started a new article for this. If you have a chance, see if you can add anything. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:05, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the death info. I decided to move that, and some other info about McCaull, to a footnote because the article is the opera company's article rather than McCaull's.  Looks OK?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:56, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. It was much easier finding info on him than the company.  I'll keep looking. -- kosboot (talk) 04:03, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources differ as to what happened to the company after 1889. The NY Times says that he got out of the business a year after his injury, but I think this is wrong - other sources say that he continued to produce the company until much later.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Plaintiff typically goes first, but a defendant can make a claim too, called a "counterclaim". But, I should say that I suspect that McCaull had lawsuits against lots of people in his day (and so did Russell!), and I would try to keep any description of this as short as you possibly can.  What I'd most like to see more of, in the article, is information about the "character" of the company - what was its historical place among opera companies in the U.S.; was it known as an incubator for young talent (I suspect so); did it premiere lots of works for the first time in America? (not sure), etc.  Also, what happened to its assets (sets, costumes, etc) when it folded?  And when, exactly, did it fold?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

NYPL
You wrote: "NYPLPA has a Technology Training Room consisting of 12 desktop computers and a projected screen." Urk? Why can't we have the editathon (or part of it) in there (i.e., the people who do not have their own laptops? That sounds exactly like what I was looking for.  Are there other classes scheduled that day?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd forgotten about that room until today. That room is on the L level, so one can't bring any materials from the 3rd off the third floor.  But it's reserved for our use the entire day, and so far no one has signed up for anything.  Wanna take something?  And don't forget, if you get there at opening, you can borrow a laptop for the day. -- kosboot (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW, if you are able to get to the library between now and Oct. 19 (I'm off Oct. 20-21), I can show you the technical side of using that room and the projection screen. -- kosboot (talk) 23:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * How do I find those collections boxes you mentioned? Using the search box for NYPL doesn't bring up any obvious hits. AstroCog (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like I'll make it, so good. Get back to me on Friday with any changes....  All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the message. I must say that I am very disappointed that we won't have access to the training room with the computers.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Great to see you today. As it turned out, I didn't use the computer at all.  :-)   I was too busy training folks.   I'm glad we had the chance to work with so many first-timers.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:58, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Reference generator
Here's the reference generator we talked about today: [reference generator].

Your recent post on the talk page...
Do you want to give me more details about this? I don't know anything about what you just posted. — Devin.chaloux (chat) 13:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah! Didn't you see the banner that use to be above every article (up until about 2 weeks ago)?  It led to Wikipedia Loves Libraries.  Since I'm a librarian and believe in this kind of effort, we organized one where I work:  The Musical.  It was a good experience (I intend to write a blog post about it in a day or two). And I think nearly everyone had fun! -- kosboot (talk) 14:12, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the shiny trophy! It's up on the mantelpiece.  I think the event was a decided success, with at least half a dozen total newbies learning the ropes, and another dozen Wikipedians finding materials that they would not otherwise have had access to.  I expanded the article on The Boy (musical) together with one of my trainees (User:Annveal), and moved it from Stub class to Start class.  This was particularly satisfying, because this is a very important WWI-era musical, for which it had been frustratingly difficult to find much information on the internet.  All the best!  -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:36, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Good Morning, Judge
1. Gershwin template: I don't think this should be included in Gershwin's template. In those days, interpolated lots of new songs periodically through their runs, as well as in new productions, sometimes from multiple composers. I imagine that Gershwin supplied songs to lots of shows, but listing them would make his template LESS useful rather than more. It would be better to have a list article listing all of Gershwin's songs.

2. Good Morning, Judge. It appears to have been essentially the same show as "The Boy", with rather minor changes. So, I wouldn't give it its own article - I would just give it its own paragraph (or maybe even a section) in the "The Boy" article with a little more info, and a redirect. Unfortunately, I ran out of time at the library to get more info on this, and I don't intend to return to the subject, since the show only ran 140 performances, whereas "The Boy" ran over 800 performances in London. I consider this to be simply the Broadway production of "The Boy". But, I have no objection to your giving it its own article if you feel inspired to do so. BTW, the library has reviews and other clippings for Good Morning, Judge, but I ran out of time before I had a chance to review them. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:18, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Nice job!
Just wanted to tell you the new article looks great - a fantastic start and certainly a launching pad for expansion! — Devin.chaloux (chat) 00:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Oooh - thanks. Maybe you can tell participants that having JSTOR and Project Muse nearby can really be a big help. :) -- kosboot (talk) 00:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

The Theater Biography Award

 * Aw thanks - it was minimal! Wish I knew my way around Theatre literature better! -- kosboot (talk) 13:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

The Wagner article is in need of some help
We're in a bit of a pickle in the Wagner discussion page. The issues concerns Social class (sociology) and the phrase supposedly common Germanic past and has now been dismissed by some editors as inconsequential. Furthermore, the name Other interpretations in the article dismisses the general review and broader Wagner analysis to a subcategory under Controversies (mainly the topic of anti-Semitism). Please help. Just take fast look and maybe help in the balancing act. Thank you


 * In his own era he furthermore provided the newly emerged middle class with a medium to transfer its familial and political conflicts into a myth of supposedly common Germanic past.
 * (In the introduction, removed as non consequential)
 * User:Major Torp (talk) 20:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lynne Carter
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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Stanley Holloway
Stanley Holloway has been Nominated at FAC. If you can review the article and comment here, it would be much appreciated. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:58, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Music notation for WP
You have [ a reply]. --Jeremyb (talk) 06:14, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Kosboot. Thanks for your work to rescue Schleifer.


 * Would you like to help with an overhaul of the lengths of musical notes? I learned as a kid that a whole note is 4 beats because it takes up the whole measure of a standard, 4-beat measure. A whole rest, however can have a variable beat length because a measure in, say, 3/4 time has a different number of beats. But (like the 2-beat rest) a whole note always has 4 beats, right? I walked away from an edit war on this a few years ago.


 * There are also issues of standard terminology: quaver, minim, etc., which our friends across the pond use (in British English?) while we New Yorkers who use American English call eighth note and half note.


 * I got real interested in this while writing software that takes raw MIDI input from my electronic piano and figures out the dynamic metronome setting as the musician speeds up and slows down while playing. (This helps in music education, e.g., you want to determine what places in a passage are most difficult to play at tempo.) --Uncle Ed (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your kind offer, but I prefer to take on weightier articles, since a reasonable amount of people should be able to provide improvements for the articles you mention. But again, thanks for the thought and offer. -- kosboot (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Hi, Kosboot. Long time no see!! I am copying this message to you from the Musicals project talk page. We need MORE reliable sources, not fewer:
 * Kosboot, it is essential ... that the IBDB be regarded as a reliable source, unless you personally wish to replace the thousands of references to it before the articles referencing it are deleted.  Plus, the fact that it is online is, in fact, very important, as anyone can easily look it up and use it.  But, for the holidays, feel free to send all of the members of this project a copy of Bloom.  ;-)   -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Sunday Group
Happy New Year, Kosboot! I don't think I mentioned, previously, how much I enjoyed your playing at the last Sunday Group. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:51, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! I had so little time to work on it, and that electric piano is not the same as a real piano, but I'm glad I got through it. Hope to see/hear you again at a group! -- kosboot (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2012 (UTC)