User talk:KrakatoaKatie/Archive 62

Happy Admin Day!!

 * Happy Happy KK. Thanks for all you do here at the 'pedia. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:27, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * omigosh happy admin day Katie! --NikkeKatski &#91;Elite&#93; (talk) 19:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2019
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Please comment on Talk:Richard B. Spencer
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Proposed motion
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=902223377&oldid=902222583&diffmode=source this edit]: I have some feedback, but since it's not relevant to accepting the case, I'm placing it here. The idea of a motion saying "next time a reversion of an office action occurs, there will be a removal of administrative privileges" kind of rings hollow to me, as I believe this is a long-held expectation already. Thus if this is being ignored now, for whatever reasons, it's hard not to believe that it may get ignored again in future. I appreciate the intent, but not sure the point is adequately made by your proposed motion. isaacl (talk) 04:37, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I understand what you're saying, and I'm not completely happy with the idea myself. One of the problems I've discovered since starting this whole arb thing is that there are no perfect solutions, and a vocal subset of the community is always going to be unhappy with me.I consider two of the three admins involved to be friends, but I personally think they should be desysopped/decratted with RFA at any time. My personal opinion has to take a back seat to the good of the project. We want to de-escalate here, and if the WMF is willing to let this one instance go, I think we should at least be open to doing the same with the caveat that future actions like these will have defined consequences. If you (or any of my talk page stalkers) have other ideas, I'm always open to hearing them. :-) Katietalk 12:15, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Question
At the ArbCom request (WMF stuff), you said "At my count, in the last week we've lost eight good administrators, including Fram, who have either taken breaks or have resigned the tools." Is there a list available somewhere editors can see who we've lost? Atsme Talk 📧 16:48, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * There's WP:FORMER, and there are a couple others who have told us privately that they're standing down for a while without giving up the mop at this time. They told us this in confidence, so I'm not going to name them publicly. Katietalk 17:29, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Katie. Wow...sad. I know why one admin turned in their tools but it wasn't because of being against T&S. I'd like to think the biggest problems will be resolved so things can resume on an even keel but I won't say I'd like for them to return to the way things were. I wish you well, Katie - my little circle of collaborators supported your nom to arbcom. KrakadawhipKatie SMirC-chuckle.svg Atsme Talk 📧 19:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:List of the verified oldest people
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Thank you for your sarcasm
Did you not see all the diffs I posted, or are you just following your peers without looking? Jehochman Talk 15:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * When in a hole, it's often best to stop digging.... - SchroCat (talk) 15:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Did anybody ask for your opinion here? Your hole is deeper than mine.   Jehochman Talk 15:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * "who are you?": a
 * Thanks for linking to my block log: I'm not sure what the point of that was (given I know what it is), but it doesn't seem to be connected either to my comment above, or the rabbit hole that parts of the website are going down at the moment. - SchroCat (talk) 15:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * As in "Who are you to criticise?" Jehochman Talk 15:29, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * It means that you aren't in much of a position to dole out advice, especially unsolicited advice. Jehochman Talk 15:28, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * That's some twisted logic there (hint: it means nothing of the sort), but I guess you're possibly not seeing things too clearly at the moment. I'll step away from this, as I'm not sure why I'm being the target of your misfiring comments here. - SchroCat (talk) 15:31, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You're correct, and I've stricken that and apologized. I'll do it here too – I read an old version of the page. Entirely my fault, and I hope you won't hold it against me in the future. I'm usually better than that. Katietalk 15:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't like to hold grudges, and I have always had high respect for you, so do not worry. A teeny request is that we don't knuckle under because a sanction is non-appealable.  That's a common negotiating ploy.  Everything is appealable.  Everything is negotiable.  I very much like the statement of  and request you give it due consideration. I'm not particularly eloquent; he's much better. Jehochman Talk 17:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019). Administrator changes
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 * The scope of CSD criterion G14 has been expanded slightly to include orphan "Foo (disambiguation)" redirects that target pages that are not disambiguation pages or pages that perform a disambiguation-like function (such as set index articles or lists).
 * A request for comment seeks to determine whether Office actions should be a policy page or an information page.

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 * The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.

Miscellaneous
 * In February 2019, the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) changed its office actions policy to include temporary and project-specific bans. The WMF exercised this new ability for the first time on the English Wikipedia on 10 June 2019 to temporarily ban and desysop . This action has resulted in significant community discussion, a request for arbitration (permalink), and, either directly or indirectly, the resignations of numerous administrators and functionaries. The WMF Board of Trustees is aware of the situation, and discussions continue on a statement and a way forward. The Arbitration Committee has sent an open letter to the WMF Board.

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Wishing you well
Katie, I saw your recuse vote and hope you are feeling well. Thank you for your work on the Committee. It is a difficult and often thankless job. Jehochman Talk 12:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2019
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Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019
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ARCA
Just wanted to say Thank You for your participation. Awilley & JFG helped get my alert up and running on my UTP. If you get a chance, check it out by trying to post a DS alert. Atsme Talk 📧 00:27, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:NYC Pride March
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Administrators' newsletter – August 2019
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

Administrator changes
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 * Following a request for comment, the page Office actions has been changed from a policy page to an information page.
 * A request for comment (permalink) is in progress regarding the administrator inactivity policy.

Arbitration
 * Editors may now use the template Ds/aware to indicate that they are aware that discretionary sanctions are in force for a topic area, so it is unnecessary to alert them.

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 * Following a research project on masking IP addresses, the Foundation is starting a new project to improve the privacy of IP editors. The result of this project may significantly change administrative and counter-vandalism workflows. The project is in the very early stages of discussions and there is no concrete plan yet. Admins and the broader community are encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page.
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

iOS 8 and others
The ip editor got around the range block you gave.  Cards84664  (talk) 19:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Azad Kashmir move protection
Hi Katie, I am here to dispute your recent admin action and shower you with brickbats. Please see the Move log here and tell me is your decline justified ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  06:53, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Always up for a brickbat shower, but I'll stand by this. I don't care about one-off moves made in 2017 and 2018. I care about what's happened to justify this particular protection request, and one move and reversion doesn't justify indefinite move protection. There have been no subsequent moves since your request, so let's hold off. You're always free to ask another admin and I'll still happily frolic in the bats anytime. :-) Katietalk 07:29, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Haha, thanks for the kind reply. The log tells me that this page has already been moved 12 times and restored back equal number of times. And being a participant of WP:INDIA I can understand the excitement. I am sure you might be aware that Kashmir is WP:ITN. Yes you are right that there has been only 1 move recently but please understand that this is a highly controversial page and no one should be moving this page without RM discussion on the talk page. Hence my request. Always a fan of your good work as an admin. regards-- D Big X ray ᗙ  07:38, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

More of same after your warning
Hi Katie, after your warning here, the user continued with a new IP. The edits at Houdini & Doyle suggest a long term block evasion. Thank you, 2601:188:180:1481:A8BC:25DC:F795:8F5A (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked. Katietalk 23:08, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks and cheers, 2601:188:180:1481:6CEB:1F11:AF38:5D2A (talk) 13:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: July 2019
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Please comment on Talk:Greta Thunberg
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Question about a template that you protected...
In 2016 you protected WikiProject Geography/to do. Since then there have only been 2 edits, one of which was just to add a pp-template back in March. Some of the "to-do" tasks have been on this template since 2008/2010 so it seems to me that this "to do" list could possibly be edited/updated since the information it presents is so stale. But it has template-editor protection so I can't and I suppose I could ask around WikiProject Geography but that WikiProject hasn't had any new sign-ups since 2009... So...could someone please update this "to-do" or could you maybe point me in the right direction so I can ask the right folks or person about this? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 07:23, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I lowered it to ECP so you can edit it. I think I remember doing a bunch of those by request at RFPP back then. We couldn't use ECP on this kind of thing yet, and I think this is a good example of something that we could try it on. Katietalk 17:20, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'm going to post about trimming it down and then hopefully get to work on it. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 17:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Backlog Banzai
In the month of September, Wikiproject Military history is running a project-wide edit-a-thon, Backlog Banzai. There are heaps of different areas you can work on, for which you claim points, and at the end of the month all sorts of whiz-bang awards will be handed out. Every player wins a prize! There is even a bit of friendly competition built in for those that like that sort of thing. Sign up now at WikiProject Military history/September 2019 Backlog Banzai to take part. For the coordinators, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

WikiCup 2019 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2. With 56 contestants qualifying, each group in Round 2 contains seven contestants, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for Round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining contestants.

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 * 🇺🇸 L293D, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with ten good articles on submarines for a total of 357 points.
 * Pirate_Flag_of_Henry_Every.svg, a WikiCup veteran, came next with 274 points, mostly from eight featured pictures, restorations of artwork.
 * 🇩🇰 MPJ-DK, a wrestling enthusiast, was in third place with 263 points, garnered from a featured list, five good articles, two DYKs and four GARs.
 * 🇺🇸 Usernameunique came next at 243, with a featured article and a good article, both on ancient helmets.
 * Flag of the United States Library of Congress 2.svg Squeamish Ossifrage was in joint fifth place with 224 points, mostly garnered from bringing the 1937 Fox vault fire to featured article status.
 * Ed! was also on 224, with an amazing number of good article reviews (56 actually).

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Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews.

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Please comment on Talk:Mike Cernovich
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

For the Committee’s legitimacy
Katie, I've always appreciated your work. Please encourage the Committee to post the evidence of sock puppetry. In this case “trust us” probably isn’t going to be good enough. Jehochman Talk 02:19, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * For the record Katie, I agree with the commmittees decision. I think it was long overdue if anything.BabbaQ (talk) 07:02, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I'll say this as an individual CheckUser, and it's all I'm going to say, so don't ask me to expand because I can't. Another CU saw an account that they felt was trying to game extended confirmed, which is pretty common these days. They ran the initial check and notified the committee that they felt this was Eric Corbett. I then ran the recheck myself, as did another CU on the committee, and there is no doubt that the accounts were controlled by the same person and that it wasn't the first time this person was trying to avoid scrutiny. As to motion then block vs block then motion, we were sorting out who would do what, and Mkdw happened to do his part first. We passed the motion on Sunday, then blocked and announced the motion on Monday. And really, who cares? If that's what you're focused on, you're focused on (imo) the wrong thing. I'm going to be as plain as I can be. I don't have any interaction with Eric Corbett that I can recall, and I don't know if he was baited into the behavior that's caused this, or if he's a naturally aggressive person, or if he's a saint, or (most likely) somewhere in the middle. I never got the chance to read all that, as I was in the UK for two weeks and I left all of it for my return. Instead, on the day I get back, we discover that Eric had not in fact left the project as he announced he was going to do. Leaving under the cloud of an arb case isn't that unusual, and it's happened a few times during my time on the committee. What Eric actually did was use an alternate device to create at least one other account, then he used that account to try to bypass the scrutiny of an arbitration case. Whether you think that case was valid and justified, or wildly inappropriate and a slap in his face, is irrelevant. We have rules about this, and if we allow one person to make another account and carry on as before whenever they're involved in a case that's about to be accepted, we should fold up the tents right now and delete all those bothersome policy pages. You can say what you like about us as a committee as long as you do it in a civil manner. But again as an individual, I am heartily sick of being accused of bad faith and wanton destruction and wishing to do harm to a project I've tried to serve well for thirteen years. Now, y'all can have this section for a day to lambaste me and my colleagues some more, then I'm going to shut it down. I'm not going to respond and I probably won't read it before I remove it because I'm already discouraged enough, but if you wanna say some stuff, go ahead and say it. Finally–and this applies to everybody–if you want to leave, leave, and if you want to stay, stay. No one, especially not me, is irreplaceable. Katietalk 13:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with you Katie. Plenty of editors describe it like EC was hunted until he left. He left on his own accord. He used sockpuppets, which is a blockable offence. He brought this on himself. Arbcom has nothinh to apologize for. Tale care!BabbaQ (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Excuse me? I was not aware that this was another WMF ordered job. Please explain how WMF is involved. Jehochman Talk 00:03, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Katie, thank you for the explanation. I think Mkdw has been unfortunately ambiguous in his remarks (and egregiously assuming bad faith and casting baseless aspersions). I don’t want the Checkuser fingerprint data. What I want are the sock accounts and diffs of disruptive edits. Same as would be posted on any sock puppetry report, or revealed by any Checkuser responding to such a report.  Jehochman Talk 00:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)