User talk:Kramler

Judiciary move
Glad we could standardize that, and great to see this expanded too. So many topics to still write/improve... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, some parts of Europe are seriously underserved in terms of editorial attention. Very few articles in general but plenty of articles that need to be renamed. Let me know if anything catches your eye specifically. I'd be very happy to assist you with other moves/fixes as well. Kramler (talk) 10:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much; it's sincerely appreciated! Kramler (talk) 18:59, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

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 * Hi there, Kramer, and welcome to Women in Red. You've been doing a great job with your biographies of Austrian ministers and related articles. I hope you will be inspired to write about many more Austrian women. If you run into any difficulties or need any help, please let me know. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Michael Ludwig
Well apparently people really do think that some athlete is equally as relevant as the head of a country's capital and largest city, which in some way is almost hitting near-racist levels but whatever. Still thanks for your engagement in my article. Colonestarrice (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I wasn't expecting that either. It's certainly silly, but I don't think it's hostility. I think they honestly don't know any better. Two reasons:
 * We're a tiny country that doesn't do anything and that nobody has any reason to think about very much. My sister lives in the Netherlands; do you know how often Austria makes the news there? Nope, too high :) (I think Austrians being in denial about this point is part of the reason half the Austria articles are so full of crap.)
 * The article doesn't actually demonstrate how notable the mayor of Vienna really is. I could write a stub about the mayor of Perchtoldsdorf that would look exactly the same. I'm sure we could convince the admins if you grew the article into something real. (I'm not going to expand the article myself because I'm not really all that interested in politicians and there is more than enough legal system work to do. It's your baby; consider doing something with it.)
 * You're very welcome for the help, but I do note you showed your appreciation with yet another pointless troll edit against the CC article :) The dumb spamfobox you insist on adds one factual error and two other disimprovements, why oh why would you keep doing that :/ Kramler (talk) 01:39, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Well let me be honest (and this is nothing personal) but your Infobox is ugly. If you want i can make a template which is an exact copy of the Hight Court Infobox but for Austrian courts and you can remove and add the parameters you want, but please keep the basic structure.


 * I guess your right with that, although Austria (especially Franz Joseph) is responsible for both World Wars and had a central role in European History, it grew irrelevant over the time.


 * I'm currently working on a general revision of the Van der Bellen article, so that at least one article about an Austrian politician isn't 2 centimeters long and there a lot of other organs, politicians and offices that either have to be created or improved as well, so expanding the Ludwig article sadly isn't on top of my list.


 * And a personal question (which you of course do not have to answer): because you mentioned Perchtoldsdorf, are you from there? Colonestarrice (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Alright, a few words on infoboxes :)
 * One of the disimprovements that your edit adds is the authority line. What you're saying is not directly wrong, but it's... well, it's just not that simple. The line doesn't really make a lot of sense in the context of the Austrian constitutional framework. We'd have to add some caveats. Which would add yet more pointless clutter to the article. So it's a distraction at best and disinformation at worst. Now, why did you add this line in the first place? Because the template suggested to you that you do that. Because the parameter is there.
 * The conventional infobox was designed by and for people from the Anglosphere. It contains a number of parameters that are easy to use correctly and meaningfully in their legal framework but not in ours. Editors of Austrian articles use these parameters anyway, adding information that is kind of true but also inappropriate or misleading in some way or other. (Example: You use the budget parameter for ministries. Thanks to our system of Mittelbare Bundesverwaltung, these figures do no mean what anybody thinks they mean. Unless you're intimately familiar with the subtleties of the Austrian Kompetenzverteilung and die Austrian Finanzausgleich, both of which are globally unique, you have no idea what the effective budgets are and the official figures tell you nothing. I've read like five books on Komptetenzverteilung and I couldn't even begin to guess.)
 * Some of the template docs specifically say that editors should think before they add stuff and that concise, selective infoboxes are better than infoboxes that try too hard. Nobody cares. People just like adding stuff. They think they're helping. They take it personally when you tell them they aren't, even if you do your very best to be diplomatic about it. Judging from a few edit histories I looked at before I went to work, this can be a semi-constant nuisance. So I made a new infobox that I hoped would sidestep the issue through not containing any of the problematic parameters.
 * So you say it's ugly. Fine, it's ugly. I'm not a designer, I was just trying to prevent disinformation and stupid edit wars. Looks like that didn't quite work out :D
 * I'm actually from Vienna. Well, I was born there and I grew up there. My family is from all over the place. Kramler (talk) 21:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

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Keyserlingk
This edit bothers me, maybe unreasonably:. I remember Keyserlingk as supporting the original version but it looks like Google Books disagrees with me. Hit the library for me please? I tried emailing you but it says you don't have a Wikipedia email address. Damvile (talk) 00:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You remember wrong, but there are some other books that support the original version:
 * Thaler, Peter (2001). The Ambivalence of Identity. The Austrian Experience of Nation-Building in a Modern Society. West Lafayette: Purdue University Press. ISBN 1-55753-201-X. Pages 166–175: An overwhelming majority of Austrians currently alive do not believe that Austrians are Germans. The majority in question has been steadily growing over the decades. In 1956, about 46 percent of those polled believed that Austrians were part of the German people. By 1987, that number was down to 9 percent. Some of the relevant surveys have been criticized as methodologically dubious but the overall result is clear enough.
 * Barth-Scalmani, Gunda; Kuprian, Herbert; Mazohl-Wallnig, Brigitte (1997). "National Identity or Regional Identity". In Bischof, Günter; Pelinka, Anton. Austrian Historical Memory and National Identity. New Brunswick: Transaction Publishers. ISBN 1-56000-902-0. Pages 32–63: Austrian nationals (without immigrant background) who claim they do not consider themselves ethnically Austrian usually claim they are ethnically Tyrolean or Salzburgian. They do not claim to be ethnically German.
 * Pelinka, Anton (1998). Austria. Out of the Shadow of the Past. Westview Press. ISBN 0-8133-2918-3. Page 21: None of the above is surprising given the fallout from the war.
 * I set an email address; email away. Kramler (talk) 12:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Smashing, thanks a lot! Damvile (talk) 00:01, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * You've got mail. I'm not sure why but Wikipedia suggests that I notify you on your talk page. Have a nice weekend. Damvile (talk) 00:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * Done! Thank you for your advice. Kramler (talk) 10:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Colonestarrice (talk) 17:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Since you did not reply to my latest mail I just want to make sure here that you: received it and agree? Colonestarrice (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My apologies. I replied just now; it's on. Kramler (talk) 21:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

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A cheeseburger for you!

 * SshibumXZ, thank you very much! Nice to feel appreciated :D Kramler (talk) 20:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

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Failed ping
The ping probably didn't reach you again so just that you know: User:Colonestarrice/Infobox commander in chief/doc. Colonestarrice (talk) 16:48, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Colonestarrice: The ping worked, I just wasn't online for a few days. I'm happy to help; give me a few hours. Kramler (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks! Colonestarrice (talk) 22:19, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

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