User talk:Krator/Archive/Archive 8

Super Mario RPG lists
Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Trivia sections and Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Requested moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Consensus, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's. TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.
 * 1) Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
 * 2) Rename the articles by following the steps at Requested moves.
 * 3) Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
 * 4) Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
 * 5) Write the concept and creation section for the main article

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 01:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply to question.
Firstly, I'd like to thank you for the template; nice job. As for Super Mario, I don't mind solving the issue, but I'm not clear on what's actually happening; what's being merged etc. Hopefully we can get it solved. How much I can contribute to it will depend on my levels of homework and time on the computer. Thanks, Krator. Ashnard Talk  Contribs  17:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

User:Krator/Sandbox4
It sounds a bit like the RfA sorting format (support, oppose, neutral, blah), which I would support. But I'm not sure how far it'll get - people will accuse it of being vote-county (which AfD is anyway). Also, without meaning to be rude or anything, I'm not active at AfD anymore - I'm a bit pissed off with the project space, so I'll just be editing articles. But good luck with the proposal, and leave me a note if you have any more comments or anything. Cheers, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 09:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I must disagree there. AfD was specifically changed away from the name "Votes for Deletion" to emphasize that it is not meant to be a vote. Not every comment should "count" equally. A compelling, well thought out argument as to why an article should be kept or deleted is worth more than a thousand ILIKEIT/IDONTLIKEIT straight votes. We need a lot more emphasis on closers of AfD debates reading the unbolded words, not just tallying up the bolded ones. I believe the "freeform" style also cuts down on me-too type things&mdash;the ability to see that a debate is currently split 60-40 often leads to "Well, I'll just vote the way that's winning right now." If there were to be any changes made to AfD that I'd want to see, it would be phasing out the use of bolded "Keep/Delete" altogether, and simply for each person to make his or her case and have it open to others to discuss with them. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your very kind comments on my page.John Z 03:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:202.177.224.91&redirect=no
I have never edited or vandalized Wikipedia, although I think I may have a dynamic IP. Please take note of this before taking any action against me. Thanks. 202.177.224.91 16:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

User:IllusiveOne
Thanks for pointing that out. At first I assumed this was a disgruntled Runescaper trying to make a WP:POINT, however the account was created on 20 September, but made no edits until a 15 minute flurry yesterday, and judging by his contribs log he didn't complete the nomination process either, so maybe you're right and it is just someone acting in good faith. I've left him a note on his talk page as you suggested. Cheers,  Mi re ma re  19:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Attack therapy notable?
I am wondering what the argument for the notability of attack therapy or ventilation therapy is and would appreciate it if, as the originator of the stub, you could please make an argument at Talk:Attack_therapy. Thank you! Rorybowman 07:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:GHKersten.jpg
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 * I am already editing it, mr. Bot. User:Krator (t c) 20:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

E-mail.
I e-mailed you a couple days ago, forgot to leave you this note, sorry. · AndonicO Talk 19:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

PlaneShift
Hi Krator, I have just added two more sources by Slashdot to the AfD for PlanetShift page (Articles for deletion/PlaneShift (computer game)): Have a nice day -- mkrohn 00:59, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Free 3D MMORPG Planeshift Ported To Mac OS X
 * Planeshift Enters Open Testing

RfA thank-spam
Thank you for your help in my RfA. It hammered home a few things I need to keep in mind while admining and passed with a final tally of 40/0/4; two people forgot to vote in time, leaving me short of that exquisite number :-(, but I'll just have to fudge the next vote about me. Adminship feels slightly august but not particularily exalted, so I shall endeavour to consider it a toolkit and make sincere efforts to know what I'm doing before using it. If you later on have something to say or want to ask for --Kizor 13:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Successful RfA - Thank you!
Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It was successful, and I was promoted to Administrator today. I appreciate the support! &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 23:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008
Good work on edits to WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008. It's good to see someone is actually enforcing good Wikipedia writing standards. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)