User talk:Krav50

Dear Krav50,

This has been posted on the Krav Maga Talk Page for some time and I haven't seen a reply and wanted to give you a chance at rebuttal. It is not my intention to argue, but get to the truth and the facts. Please feel free to leave a response on my talk page. --63.226.23.69 (talk) 23:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Please tell us you are kidding. I mean no offense by what I am about to say, but I have a hard time believing you know Itay after some of your statements above. Point 1) There are security officers who work in old town Jerusalem who are immigrants from Russia and some were special operators in their military before moving to Israel. They only earn about $7/hour (if converted to American dollars) because they don't speak Hebrew well. They fight and deal with terrorists nearly if not EVERY day they work. Many of these men train with Itay at great personal expense. Please do not dishonor them by implying they are not elite. Point 2) Who did you think was behind the masks on the Human Weapon? They were Sayeret (various designation assignments) and YAMAM. Itay is sought out by Tactical Teams from all over the world. How do you suppose he was given access to them, but Moni Aizik was not? It is ecause they know and respect him, after training with him, most of them had never even heard of Aizik (whose first name is really Pino). Itay's contribution to Krav Maga may not be as public as those from highly publicised org's, but they are none the less real and substantial; as are his two most active students Moshe Katz and Sharir Richman. Point 3) Itay to date is the only person not currently full-time in the military or Law Enforcement to be allowed access to some prisons in the Israeli Prison System. He trains their officers in "Control Tactics". Do you suppose this is because the Krav Maga he teaches works? Point 4) In the video on his website (www.Protect-USA.com) why do you suppose the news media interviews Itay about "Counter Terrorism Tactics"? Because he is the source in Israel most known for effective armed and unarmed responses to such things. Last point for now, the paragraph to which you are referring, was only altered to include Mr. Gil in regard to Sayeret Duvdevan. The other portions of that paragraph were already there and were not added to or taken from in order to make it appear that Mr. Gil trains all of the others. You are right in one respect for certain; Mr. Gil does not claim such things, as he is not seeking public fame. He is the best at what he does and this is why he is sought out. Mention his name to anyone in a Krav school in Israel and they know of him. I personally know people in Israel who have trained in Krav Maga for nearly two decades and did not know who Haim Gidon was when I mentioned him. My intention is not to insult Mr. Gidon, only to point out Mr. Gil's universally, albeit mostly undocumented, renown in Krav Maga's country of origin.

It bothers me how much this page seems influenced and controlled by politically motivated and uninformed persons. IF it is to remain, someone should do some serious research into the heart of Krav, the IDF and Israel's Law Enforcement branches (all the way "down" to the security officers). I am not suggesting I become that person as I am not sure I could refrain from leaving out those who are currently in the limelight in the civilian sector of Krav Maga. While it has become VERY popular among the civilians worldwide, it's roots are in the IDF and now among every branch of Law Enforcement in Israel.

To everyone else who reads this thread, please just take what I am saying to heart. All the politcal mess and bias toward people over this org or that is just becoming unreal. If the names of Units are going to be used, let's give credit where it is due. Thank you to those who at least think about my comments. --63.226.23.69 (talk) 23:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)