User talk:Krellis/Archive/Archive 5

Alphabet sort set off by quotation marks
Would you be able to modify the indexerbot code so that the default sort (based on discussion title) puts items with leading quotation marks in the sort by the letters/numbers which follow? I'm not sure if that's something you can set in the bot, or if it's a part of how wikitables operate and you rely on their sort, but you can see an example of where this change could be useful at Talk:Autism/Archive index. Thanks!

WBTtheFROG (talk) 03:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Not indexing my talk archives
The HBC Archive Indexerbot doesn't seem to be generating User talk:Chzz/Archive Index any more (since early March), but I don't think the code has changed. Do you know what the problem is? Thanks,  Chzz  ► 08:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried this, let's what happens. --Kslotte (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems to work now. --Kslotte (talk) 16:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks v much.  Chzz  ► 16:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Not indexing my talk page
Hey just noticed that the bot hasn't index my talk page since Feb is there a fix to this or is the bot down.-- Steam Iron  21:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I decided to merge my archives and sort them by month of last comment, the page names are /Archive/Monthname Yearname but the bot is only indexing messages on my talk page and not my archives, what do I need to do? — James (Talk • Contribs) • 7:46pm • 09:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * My archive index has not been updated since February 2011; do you know why? The relevant template code should be on my talk page. — mc10 ( t / c ) 02:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you tried the fix mentioned in the section above this one? I had the same problem and this fixed it. Regards  So Why  08:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried it that way it worked but it did something really strange Take a look User talk:Dcheagle/Archive index-- Steam Iron  23:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe this edit should fix indexing for your talk page, but you'll need to wait for the current run to complete and the next run to fire off to verify. —Krellis (Talk) 01:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sweet thanks Ill wait and see.-- Steam Iron  05:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That seemed to have done the trick. Thanks! — mc10 ( t / c ) 03:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Worked for me also-- Steam Iron  03:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Muammar Gaddafi
Any idea why the bot has created Talk:Muammar Gaddafi/Archive index with duplicate links to sections which were once on Archive #4? I tried wiping the page and starting over, but the bot just recreated the page. —WWoods (talk) 16:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The bot maintains a cache that sometimes is not as intelligent as it could be. I have to clear it periodically, I'll give that a try now and see if it helps on the next run. —Krellis (Talk) 01:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems to have worked. —WWoods (talk) 17:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Archive indexing -- TGLITUSBS
Greetings, Krellis. The archive indexing of Talk:Gun laws in the United States (by state) seems to have stopped working. I think this happened a few months ago. Based on other comments I'm seeing here, I'm guessing that the page has some kind of outdated or incorrect parameter in the HBC Archive Indexbot opt in template. I'd be grateful if you could fix the template so that the indexing works again. — Mudwater (Talk) 13:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You seem to have gotten things back on track. Thanks!  "P.S." Looks like you didn't change the HBC opt in template on the talk page.  Did you make some kind of adjustment to the bot? — Mudwater (Talk) 01:58, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

HBC Indexerbot is broken?
The last time this bot worked is June 5. What is wrong? ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 01:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the server I run the bot from died, I don't currently have an ETA. If any of the botops who follows my talk page (if any still do :)) is interested in taking it over, let me know! —Krellis (Talk) 01:19, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Who are some of them? I'll help with requests.  ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)) 01:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've posted a notice here. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 02:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yaaaay! I notice that it is back up & running. Well done! <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 19:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was able to resurrect it on a different box for the time being, fingers crossed it'll stay up. —Krellis (Talk) 23:45, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Archive fixes at Talk:Atheism
Hi Krellis, I'm sorry to request a refresh of a cache *again*, but could you clear the bots cache of the index at Talk:Atheism? I've just moved some 2008/2009 text from Talk:Atheism/Archive 1 to its proper location at Talk:Atheism/Archive 40, and removed some duplicate threads at the latter archive. Thanks! Graham 87 11:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * And I've just done a similar operation on a smaller scale at Talk:Hinduism/Archive 1 and Talk:Hinduism/Archive 21. Maybe the master archive index should be stored on-wiki, like the way ClueBot III does it – I just fixed a few pages that had archive-related messes and I was able to fix the indexes by hand. It might be a bit harder in your case, since HBC Archive Indexerbot sorts thread names alphabetically while ClueBot III sorts them by the archive number. Graham 87 11:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I've cleared cache on the bot, and it's running now. Re: the suggestion of on-wiki storage, I'm not quite sure what you mean, the indexerbot source is available from its user page and patches are more than welcome, though! —Krellis (Talk) 15:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I meant a page like this (see the source code, and how the indexes for each archive page are labelled and posted on-wiki). But it may be more trouble than it's worth with alphabetical indexes, as I noted above. Graham 87 06:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

My talk page index
Hello. I'm not sure what the bot is doing to my index, but it isn't indexing everything. In fact, it seems to be removing things half of the time. How can I get this fixed? Regards, Matthewedwards : Chat  00:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, it's still doing it. How do I stop the bot from removing data and not displaying all messages? Matthewedwards : Chat  22:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Mail

 * Thanks, I've restarted my copy of the helperbot. —Krellis (Talk) 15:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Cheers to you! Thanks very much!! Ioeth (talk contribs twinkle friendly) 18:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

HBC AIV Helperbot bug report
Hi Krellis. Your very useful AIV Helperbot performed the following edit, which appears to be in error:. This remove two reports, including mine which had not been addressed either way. I believe the intention of the edit was only to remove the other report (that's certainly what the edit summary suggests). Might want to take a look at this? THanks, Palltrast (talk) 05:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This appears to have been an edit conflict, which happens from time to time when a report is added at the same time that the bot is trying to remove one, we've tried to reduce them as much as possible but they still happen from time to time. —Krellis (Talk) 11:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the update. Best, Palltrast (talk) 21:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Support for alphabetical archives
Hi Krellis, would it be possible for your indexing bot to support alphabetical archives, like Village pump (technical)/Archive A? They're used on the village pumps and User talk:Jimbo Wales to accommodate old archives, where the page labelled "Archive 1" does not in fact contain the earliest discussions, and it'd be too fiddly to move the archives around. They're listed by using the template. I know that the mask parameters can currently be used for this purpose, but it'd be more convenient if the bot recognised the lettered archives automatically. Graham 87 12:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Seems there's a problem at User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive index. The 'Archive Link' column is not linking, just showing wikicode. -- &oelig; &trade; 07:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The bot hasn't indexed those archives since June 3. I created an extra line after the comment line that the bot can blank the page in the hopes that it would pick up on the page again. I've also tried tweaking the code on his main talk page. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  13:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Indexerbot parser code in templates?
Does the bot work correctly with parser function code, such as how I have it set up on my template? LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 21:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Bot not working?
It hasen't been indexing my archives. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 13:15, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The bot is up and running. I've cleared its caches in case that was causing you a problem, but otherwise there's nothing I can do. —Krellis (Talk) 15:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it is the way the caching on it is working. I have no knowledge of Perl code, so I could be wrong. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 16:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, perhaps you should have it check for changes to the template used, if any. If it detects a change, it will update its cache of the template. That is the main problem I've been having now. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 16:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Bot not functioning fully
Hi, at WP:AIV HBC AIV helperbot3 seems to be commenting but not removing actioned reports. TerriersFan (talk) 16:27, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Helperbot7 has now taken over duties. TerriersFan (talk) 16:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Jimbo's talk archive index
Hi Krellis, Jimbo's archive index hasn't been updated since early June.diff

On the Long pages report, scroll all the way to the very bottom and you can see that his archive index is the 3rd largest page on WP at just over 2 Megabytes. Might that be the problem? The file size?


 * 1314 	User talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_index 	2049011

The problem isn't widespread as the only other archive indices on the list include:


 * 1297 	Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive_index 	1754674
 * 1138 	Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Archive_index    959161
 * 1090 	User talk:Ukexpat/Archive_index				 889245
 * 922 	Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive_index 	 838583
 * 34 	Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Index        507011

Since size may become more prominent in the index files, would it be possible to have the index pages limited to 500K in size and then have multiple index pages? Is this feasible? Cheers, <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  22:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

UOJComm (talk) 23:33, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:As the World Turns/Archive index
Hi. Sorry to bother you with this.

The bot doesn't seem to want to index Talk:As the World Turns/Archive index. It's probably something I stuffed up, but I can't see any errors, and I copied an existing working setup.

When I first set it up, it indexed a couple of times, but I reverted it because I was still "stuffing around" with the page. Could those reversions have "confused" it, and it now needs resetting in some way?

I checked the bot logs, which list the page, but say "No change" - so I made a minor change to the only archive to see if that would trigger it - no joy.

Certainly no rush for any answer, and I apologise in advance for what is almost certain to turn out to be my stupid error here. Thanks. Begoon &thinsp; talk 12:47, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Bot not working since December in my talk page
Hello there! Can you please take a look at my talk page? I don't know if anything went wrong, but the bot is not archiving since last December. Thanks.--Jetstreamer (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked but don't see what the problem must be. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  01:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)


 * PS: problem found... Please fix the documentation. XD <b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b> 08:37, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Bot not working on my talk page since December 2011
I can't see any obvious reason why, except possibly several revisions have been revdel'd. It did make two edits (22:52 10 December 2011 and 13:12 24 November 2011) to the index which have nothing to do with any changes to my talk or archive pages. The last "correct" edit to the index was on 00:38 7 November 2011.

Could you take a look at this, please? Many thanks, --NSH001 (talk) 19:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Cache clearing
Hi, could you clear the cache of the archive indexer bot once again after my rearrangement of the archives at Talk:Ejaculation? Thanks! Graham 87 13:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem seems like it was [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ejaculation/Archive_index&diff=499567115&oldid=472968982 fixed] a couple of weeks ago. Graham 87 02:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Bot working?
It seems this bot hasn't made any edits since July 2. Is it turned off? --KarlB (talk) 12:01, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ok it seems to have turned on... --KarlB (talk) 13:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Chalkboard archiving issue
Hi, the bot indexed Talk:Chalkboard here Talk:Chalkboard/Archive_index; however, it has a few issues:
 * 1) Duplicate links
 * 2) Links to archive 5

The duplicate links I've seen in other pages; these are links to threads that are in both archives and the main talk page, even if the thread itself isn't at the main talk page anymore.

The links to archive 5 are the bigger problem; the story here is that when the talk page archive was first created, it was placed at Talk:Chalkboard/Archive 5 due to a misconfigured bot; however I moved it to Talk:Chalkboard/Archive 1 (before the indexer bot ran); but somehow the indexing bot *still* thinks these threads are at archive 5. Any ideas on how to fix this? --KarlB (talk) 13:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The bot's cache needs to be cleared; see my message above. Graham 87 22:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I just realised that the archive index was created *after* archive 5 was moved. That's even weirder. Graham 87 22:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Well, it works now. This request can be closed. --KarlB (talk) 00:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Questions

 * 1) HBC archive bot is not indexing WT:STiki on WT:STiki/Archive index can an experienced eye give a look at what is wrong/missing. Thanks.
 * 2) Any comments how to rectify the error at Talk:Research and Analysis Wing/Archive index.-- D Big X ray  17:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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I have an opinion on archiving bots
This is not necessarily a request for a change, but after getting lost trying to find some things, I have an opinion about archiving bots: They should never ever leave less than the most recent 20 sections. Too many people set automatic archiving to 15 days and 1 section minimum on fast paced articles, and as soon as they slow down it leaves their talk pages essentially useless for anyone who hasn't watchlisted the article or isn't checking their watchlist fast enough. There is never any real reason to have fewer than the most recent 20 talk page sections, so I think that should be the hard minimum, enforced by the bot code itself. Is that a radical opinion? I don't know, but I am sharing it with you to do with as you wish. EllenCT (talk) 20:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Question on how to use your bot.
I was wondering with the Indexing bot, how would I do it, if I already have a Bot already auto archiving my talkpage. As I want to create an Archive Index. So could you tell me how I would go about doing that? Thanks. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 18:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Forgive my stupidity, but I am confused by the instructions on how to use this bot. What sort of target page am I supposed to create first? Can it be an existing archive? Richard Keatinge (talk) 13:04, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki.pm
Hey, do you by any chance have the modified version of MediaWiki.pm for me to use? Cheers. :) TheEpTic (talk) 15:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)