User talk:Kresspahl/Archive 1

Thomas Quellinus and others
You asked me for information about Thomas Quellinus, Joseph Christian Lillie, and Benedict Dreyer from Danish sources.

My online Danish sources have information on all three, but most for Quellinus and Lillie. Considering the time period for Dreyer I wouldn't have expected too much, but still it is more than you have in German (I think, since I am not a German language expert).

My suggestion is as follows:
 * You translate, as well as you can the German language articles into English language articles
 * Thomas Quellinus
 * Joseph Christian Lillie
 * Benedikt Dreyer
 * I edit the English articles, adding in the information from the Danish sources
 * You can use the finalized English articles (with Danish information) to improve the German articles

What do you think about that? Let me know, and let me know when the articles are translated. Thanks! --SFDan 04:49, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to let you know that I am working on the revisions to the Thomas Quellinus article. Thanks for your translation of the German text.  You do not have to worry about grammar and spelling, and that sort of stuff.  I will take care of that in my edits.  I will probably put the changes up on the page tomorrow, but I still want to do a little research.  I'll let you know when I'm done.  --SFDan 14:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thomas Quellinus article is now online. Hope that I understood, what you meant in some places, and that I wasn't far off the mark.  Otherwise, your English language translation was perfectly fine.  I am sure that your translation for Joseph Christian Lillie article will also be fine.  I will look at that, probably not until tomorrow.  Any questions or problems, let me know!  --SFDan 09:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Joseph Christian Lillie article is now online too. Hope you can use the information.  I will see what I can find out about the Jacob van Utrecht altars.  --SFDan 14:44, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I will take a look at Benedikt Dreyer and Jacob van Utrecht during the week, and will keep you posted on progress. Must admit that I found absolutely nothing on Utrecht and the church in Nøddebo at this point.

As for the Reedtz-Thott family— they are still a well-known family in Denmark. They established the name in 1774 from two lines, one of which has had home at Gavnø since 1682. They have an extremely ugly (in my opinion) alter in their church by Abel Schrøder the Elder. But don't take my word, see it for yourself. Hope that it isn't your taste in alters. At the top of the page are all the family shields shown on the alter, at the bottom of the page is the beautiful alter itself. Before living in Gavnø they lived at "Trollenäs slott" in southern Sweden. My Swedish is not so good, but I couldn't find anything having to do with alter on their site. Maybe as I work on these articles I'll find out something more.

Otherwise, I can offer you the chance to buy a book online published in 1933 on their castle. It is called "La Vie d'un Palais Danois: La Légation de France à Copenhague" by Jeanne Louise Hermite (née Ternaux Compans), 1933, 303 pp. Oh, yes, its in French, and it only costs about $250. I can certainly understand why you might skip on this tantalizing offer. ;-) --SFDan 17:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Holy cow, thanks for the link. It not really what i am looking for. Must be a Tryptich with the donator on the left and right wing and I guess, this one was in the collection in the castle and not in the church. The other offer sounds like a bargain... but an old cataolgue of the Reedtz-Thott collection including the J.v.U. altar would be a better.--Kresspahl 18:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Benedikt Dreyer and Jacob van Utrecht are now completed. As I told you, I didn't think I would have a lot to add on these two. Hope you find your missing alters! --SFDan 11:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Academic Fencing
Thanks for your note. I think Tupsharru's idea of getting the German Wikipedia article translated is good. Tearlach 18:12, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Lübeck churches
Thanks for reminding me -- I should have categorized and linked these articles a bit more. germany-struct-stub is probably not exact enough. I'll put some better categories when I go and reduce the remaining articles in Category:Rough translations to readable stubs -- all of them are machine translations and need to be redone from scratch. If you need help with anything in your Lübeck projects, you should just post a message at the notice board or at its talk page. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 15:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

New article and category announcement page
I just added your new category [:Category:Buildings and structures in Lübeck] to our announcement page at [Category:Buildings and structures in Lübeck#New categories]. Please add other new articles/categories you contribute there to help coordinate our efforts. If you don't know it yet, the Overview of Germany project pages is another good place to start. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 22:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Bossanyi
Hi Kresspahl,

I want to clarify something with you, before I do anything to this article.

" He made stained glass windows for the London University (Goldsmith' Library in the Senate House Library), Tate Gallery ("The Angel Blesses the Women Washing the Clothes"), the Victoria and Albert Museum ("Noli me tangere"), as well as cathedral glass for the York Minster, the memorial chapel for President Woodrow Wilson in Washington National Cathedral in Washington D.C. and Canterbury Cathedral."

When one writes "He made stained glass windows for......." it carries the implication that the windows are installed as part of the building. This implication is inherent in the fact that the institution named is ALSO a buliding. So,, is it the case that Bossanyi's windows have been installed within the architectural units that make up Goldsmith's Library, the V&A and the Tate. I don't know the answer. You wrote it, so perhaps you do!

Is it the case that he mmade windows for the Goldsmith's Library (ie they are installed) and his work is or has been exhibitted at the V&A and the Tate?

Also, someone has added the line that he made cathedral glass for York Minster. No. this is not right. The terminology is completely wrong. Unless I'm much mistaken, Bossanyi made windows. He didn't make glass. There is a link to the "Cathedral glass" article. The article itself is almost entirely in error and should be rewritten.

Can you get back to me and let me know


 * 1) Did Bossanyi actually manufacture the type of glass (not windows, I mean glass) that is now known commercially throughout the trade as "cathedral glass"?
 * 2) Did he make windows FOR the Tate and V&A, as it states?
 * 3) If this is the case, were they made for installation as part of the building itself, as implied?
 * 4) Were they, on the other hand, artistic works commissioned by and displayed in these two art institutions as exhibition pieces?
 * 5) Or were they works that were purchased by the institutions subsequent to manufacture?

--Amandajm 13:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I just found some details on Bossanyi at the Tate site, but no reproduction of the window. Apparently he decided to make and donate a window for the Tate, so they commissioned it, but its completion was interrupted because of the onset of WWII and Bossanyi having to leave his studio.

Whether the Tate window is displayed in an exhibition with lighting behind it, or actually installed in a window opening I can't ascertain. Their site mentions "installation" but in museum terms, this could mean a number of things.

The Goldsmiths' Hall window is a coat of arms set into a plain background, so it's ordinary by comparison with the figurative windows.

--Amandajm 14:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Kresspahl!

Thanks for getting back to me! Firstly, I have rewritten the article on Cathedral glass that I referred to above. The point is that many people use the term "cathedral glass" to mean "the sort of stained glass windows that you find in cathedrals". This is inaccurate. It's accutually a term used in the trade for glass, usually of pale colours and with textures, nowdays mostly mmachine made.

Secondly, I don't live in England. I'm Australian. But I'll be in the UK later this year and I'll try to locate the whereabouts of the Bossanyi glass in the Tate and the V&A, provided I'm not too bogged down with some other research that I'm doing. It would be good to have more info about this outstanding artist whose work is so popular. The windows in Canterbury are really adored. I remember a Canadian tourist sitting in front of them and weeping because she thought they were so beautiful.

--Amandajm 11:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Amandjm, I dont know, whether you had a look at the German interwiki, even if your German is not so good, there are some more external links in English. The Bossanyi archive is with the V&A. Since he started a more or less new carrier in stained glass in the UK, there are no qualified German references that I know. But he learned the necessary skills from a reputated Lübeck craftsman before he left the town, who had lots of experience in the maintenance of the gothic stained glass windows of the cities churches. Most of them were destroyed in a bomb raid in WW2. The same firm called Berkenthin replaced the losses.--Kresspahl 12:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Bombing of Lübeck in World War II
Please see Talk:Bombing of Lübeck in World War II. Sorry for my tone on that page, it is a bit abrupt, but that is because I'm in a hurry at the moment. Please see what I have written and have a look at the RAF source which has a lot on this raid compared to what they normally write about flattening a city. What comes accross very strongly in the RAF dairy is just what a production line the bombing of Germany had become by 42. --Philip Baird Shearer 21:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

You might like to have a look at the Bombing of Pforzheim in World War II article which I think does a good job at combining German and British sources. --Philip Baird Shearer 17:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll try my best within the next days and weeks to gain an English version, which after proper discussion here will become part of a German article. Due to the German copyrights on pictures English or US goverment pictures would be very helpful.--Kresspahl 21:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Swedish Art Historians
Hi Kresspahl. This is what I immediately can get on Lindblom and Roosval (note the spelling):

de:Andreas Lindblom (note the spelling), born 1889, dead 1977

An art historian and a Museum Diector, professor at Stockholm University College (now Stockholm University) between 1925 and 1929, Director of  the two Museums Nordic Museum and Skansen Open Air Museum, both in Stockholm, 1929-1955. His research mainly geared at the Middle Ages in Sweden and at the 18th century.

Works:

La peinture gotique en Suède et en Norvège (1916) Medeltida vävnader och broderier i Sverige I-II (1928-29) (Swedish woven textiles and embroideries in the Middel Ages)

From 1920 he was a professor in Stockholm. Between  and he was a professor at Harvard Has written Memoirs (1948, 1952 and 1954

Johan August Emanuel (Johnny) Roosval (note the spelling), born August 29 1879 in Kalmar, dead  October 18 1965

An art historian, professor at Stockholm University College (now Stockholm University) between 1920 and 1946.

He had his “Arbitur” in 1897, studied at the University of Uppsala and had a BA 1899 (philosophy, French, Nordic languages, Estecism with Literature and Art History). Art History was not an independent subject at this time. Thereafter he studied Art History in Berlin for Adolph Goldschmidt and Heinrich Wölfflin. He made his thesis in Berlin 1903 (altar chests in Swedish churches and museums made by Master Jan Borman´s workshop in Brussels). The same year he returned to Sweden to worjk at the Nordic Museum in Stockholm. 1905 he got for a post as a teacher/researcher (Docentur) in Art History at the University of Uppsala.

From 1920 professor in Stockholm. Between 1936 and 1937 professor at Harvard (Charles Elliot professorship). Retired 1942.

He was a specialist in architecture and arts of the Middle Ages, especially the churches of Gotland (a province and an island in the Baltic). He spread knowledge of the Medevial art of Gotland abroad. Together with Sigurd Curman he initiated the editing of the major inventory “Sveriges Kyrkor” (Churches in Sweden), which started with a pilot volume 1912 and then was published in around 225 volumes.

Has published 900 titles. Die Kirchen Gottlands (1911) Die Steinmeister Gottlands (1918) Romansk konst (Arts in Romanesque style) (1930) Gotländsk Vitriarius (1950)

Please tell me if you want something more on them, or if this is enough. Regards, Boberger


 * Thank you! Thats a lot. Are you going to write biographies for the engl. WP. I take the info for German biografies. Knowing that Roosval studied with Goldschmidt explains a lot to me.--Kresspahl 21:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

There we are again :-)
MrsMyer proudly presents herself beeing adopted. Kindest regards to somewhere around Jerichow... --MrsMyer 21:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hare and Tortoise? At least, seems to be a great new family you have.--Kresspahl 21:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You could say so. As a matter of fact I asked for adoption. My contributions in English need support I'm afraid. --MrsMyer 15:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Mensch Myer: Sauerland ist überall --Kresspahl 18:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * *giggle* I'm old enough to remember very well. --MrsMyer 09:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

By the way: Didn't you once mention a Stammtisch? Or was it me? Any suggestions? --MrsMyer 20:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)-->Lübeck Museum of Theatre Puppets? next week after work?--Kresspahl 21:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC) Süße Idee! Shall I take the Brabenders as my companions and body guards? Or have you ever been to Markt 1 sipping a glass of wine, a cocktail at happy hour (7-8 p.m.), a coffee or green tea? It's a relaxed mix of generations, tourists, few local people. I'll check my fixed dates for next week and let you know tomorrow. Is that in Ordnung for you? I'm working late I'm afraid. --MrsMyer 21:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)I.O., aber bitte per email.--Kresspahl 09:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC). Mach ich. Bin jetzt leider sehr in Eile. --MrsMyer 14:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Good job on Michael Buback! I watched both Buback and Boock on ARD last night, but fell asleep after a while beeing a working class elderly person. --MrsMyer 20:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Bartolf
Are we 100% sure he's not notable? It appears to me that he's potentially notable enough for an article. Why don't we send it thorugh AfD and see what the folks there say? Most of them see so many biographies they can judge notability a mile away. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 09:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem hasgot to be solved. He is does not have an article in the German Wikipedia. He is vandalising the Lübeck article for weeks, and he is reverting deletion requests himself. I am mainly aktive in the German WP, so go ahead with whatever you think might be suitable in case like this. In Germany they probably would have barred him for some weeks.--Kresspahl 09:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've nominated the article for AfD, so we can determine a consensus. I don't believe the article indicates notability, but better to let the community decide. Waltonalternate account 10:57, 19 June 2007 (UTC)