User talk:Krzyhorse22/Archive 2

January 2016
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Template:Asian Americans and Template:Middle Eastern American you may be blocked from editing. If you look at the notes section at the bottom of the templates you will see that Afghans are not considered Asian American but instead Middle Eastern American in the US. My edit was not a POV edit but reverting edits that were incorrect. (137.147.156.148 (talk) 09:58, 16 January 2016 (UTC))


 * You're from Australia, that means you know little about America. Afghans are widely considered in the US as Central or South Asians. Only small number of uneducated people call them Middle Eastern.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 08:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually no ! I actually know a lot, so stop thinking a geographical location hinders one from understanding the world around them and to say I don't know anything about America is flawed because obviously I knew what the US government's definition of "Asian" was and you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't be making those incorrect edits on those Wikipedia pages. You're verbal abuse was an attack and I think I might report you. I don't care if they think they are "Asian", under US law they are not - in fact they are considered "white" as there are no "Middle Eastern" or "Central Asian" categories yet, so stop pursuing this fanatical obsession you have. Some East Asians think they are Asian in the UK but they are not recognised as such in the UK because it applies to people of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, Nepali, Bhutanese and Maldivian descent only, see Talk:Asian people as an example. It is subjective, people from different places have different definitions do you think the producers of Asia's Next Top Model, Masterchef Asia or any of those many pan-Asian reality TV shows think people from Afghanistan or other Central Asian or West Asian countries are Asian? No, because to them "Asian" in their eyes means someone who comes from countries such as China, Japan, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal or those Southeast Asian countries. So you need to stop this as "Asian" in the US government's eyes means someone who is East Asian, South Asian or Southeast Asian not someone from Afghanistan. As for your unruly comments I think I might file a report against you it's not the first time I've seen you do this, just a few days ago I saw you said the same thing to a non-IP Wikipedia user on their talk page! Do you think it's right to behave like this? Oh and to say I'm a sockpuppet of some other user because I made a similar edit is totally incorrect! Those edits were the same because in Canada an Afghan Canadian is not a South Asian Canadian! They were the same because two users were fixing the error you or someone made! Learn your facts before you start editing Wikipedia because obviously you do not know what you are adding and removing and do some research before adding false information that has no source! (137.147.140.61 (talk) 06:27, 19 January 2016 (UTC))


 * Instead of writing nonsense just show a source. By what definition are Afghans Middle Eastern? Afghanistan is not in the Middle East and Afghan culture is different from Middle Eastern culture.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 12:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? Did you not read what I told you a few days ago? I told you it is at the bottom of the template in the "notes" section! You obviously don't know what to say as your reply appears to be poorly constructed because I told you the same thing a few days ago. This was not nonsense at all if you knew your facts I wouldn't have had to "break it down" for you but since you didn't I had to let you know so you wouldn't make unconstructive edits again! Like I said learn your facts before you make rude and unruly remarks on someone's geographical location, this is discrimination if you didn't know and that is a penalty anywhere in the world even on the web and especially here on Wikipedia! I'm not saying Afghanis are Middle Eastern or Middle Eastern in culture they have more in common with their Central Asian neighbours than the Middle East, I'm just telling you that they are not considered "Asian" in the US, do you not understand that? Don't think I'm going to let this go, I'm still contemplating what I should do. (120.144.33.81 (talk) 23:17, 19 January 2016 (UTC))


 * Why are you posting messages with IP? Are you User:Iryna Harpy? The "notes" does not have any working link. Afghanistan is clearly located in Asia and Afghans are widely considered not only in America but throughout the world as Central or South Asian people. Wikipedia is an international project, all views must be presented. Show here a reliable source that supports your view.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 00:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No, that's not my style, and this IP has nothing to do with me. I always log in. I can't see anything about their behavioural style that suggests anyone in particular. Sorry, I can't help out. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. The page discusses "Asian Americans" which has a different definition so that page only discusses Asian Americans. Here is your source.  The source is taken straight from a US government source, it says "Asian" refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent" Afghanistan is not in the Far East, Southeast Asia or the Indian subcontinent, thus are not considered "Asian" in the US. Here is another source that gives examples of Asian countries that are considered Asian in the US.  This book is about Asian Americans. As for being considered "Middle Eastern American" you can open a discussion about the removal of "Afghans" from it or you can be bold and remove "Afghans" from it altogether.(120.144.33.81 (talk) 01:51, 20 January 2016 (UTC))


 * Dynamic IP, could I suggest that you 1) create an account; 2) open a new thread on the talk pages of the relevant templates. Your arguments should not be treated as a WP:PERSONAL tirade against Krzyhorse22. No one WP:OWNs the templates, therefore arguments for changes to the content, or arguments against changes to their content should be presented for other editors who work on the templates and have them on their watchlists. Arguing at an editor is a show of bad faith. If you're WP:HERE to improve Wikipedia's content, please use article/template talk pages in order to discuss the content, and to allow other editors to evaluate sources. Believe it or not, being a collaborative editor is a far more productive method of interacting with other users, and the Wikipedia community isn't tolerant of other editors with accounts (such as Krzyhorse22) being barraged like this. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well I am sorry for what has happened but I provided a source, I am not claiming the templates as my own but I am offended that because I am from Australia I supposedly "know little about America", that is incorrect. "Asian American" in the US only refers to East Asians, South Asians and Southeast Asians the template that corresponds with the page is only listing the different Asian American groups of those specified origins. What has been happening is that Krzyhorse22 removed "Afghans" from the Middle Eastern template when there was source provided now it has come to my attention that the source does not work, so I guess the information listed in that template could be considered dubious until a new source is found. Krzyhorse22 then went on to include "Afghans" in the "Asian American" template when this was incorrect as the main page for the article only discusses Americans of East Asian, South Asian and Southeast Asian origins, I reverted those edits and explained my edit in my edit summary I was wrongly accused of being a block evading sockpuppet of another banned user when Krzyhorse22 reverted my edits. I looked yesterday at various Wikipedia pages that involves the reporting of users etc. and found that I was claimed to be a sockpuppet of an Australian Wikipedia user of Pakistani descent, I am not that user. The basis of this claim was that I made a similar edit under a different IP address that removed "Afghans" from the South Asian Canadian section of the broader Asian Canadian template, In both official definition and vernacular Canadian definition South Asian and South Asian American do not refer to people outside of South Asia/Indian subcontinent and so I was only changing the information based on the sources and information given in the parent article. I am now only trying to let Krzyhorse22 know that their edit to the Asian American template was incorrect. I am not barraging Krzyhorse22, I only intended to warn them because they continued to revet my edits despite my edit summaries.  (120.144.33.81 (talk) 03:49, 20 January 2016 (UTC))
 * Okay, I feel that I may have been barraging you to some extent due to the excessive use of exclamation marks and the way I presented my arguments, I apologize Krzyhorse22 for that. I guess I was offended when you said I knew very "little about America" but I'll forget that. I have given a source, that details what Asian American is in the United States and I believe a discussion of some sort should be opened on the Middle Eastern template. (120.144.33.81 (talk) 04:02, 20 January 2016 (UTC))


 * Excellent. You can open a new thread (just follow the instructions at the top of the talk page: new section), give it a brief, clear title, and explain what changes you were trying to introduce, and the sources you're presenting to back up the changes. The main thing to remember is that you should focus on the content and present a clear, cool-headed outline of your position. Don't get riled, and try to steer clear of the old WP:TL;DR (it's all too easy to try to be overly elaborative from the outset). Other editors will prompt you to explain anything they're not clear on. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know about the several mistakes I made during this discussion I didn't think I would have reacted like that when I first posted the message on Krzyhorse22's talk page on the 16th of this month but everything is good now. About opening a new discussion do you mean on the Middle Eastern template or Krzyhorse22's talk page? I think you mean the template that is disputed but I just want to make sure. (110.148.158.71 (talk) 04:32, 20 January 2016 (UTC))


 * I meant on the template's talk page. Just be sure to check any archived talk pages in case the subject has been brought up before, and some sort of consensus has been reached. If there was some sort of consensus reached, dependent on how long ago it was reached, bear in mind WP:CCC (that is, consensus can change). Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying . (110.148.158.71 (talk) 05:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC))


 * ! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, I opened a discussion about the removal of Afghan Americans from the Middle Eastern Americans template you can add your thoughts as well. (110.148.158.71 (talk) 06:03, 20 January 2016 (UTC))

Reason for deleting photo
Assalam O Alaikum!... I upload a photo on afghanistan foreign relation page that has been deleted by you. Please tell me why you delete that photo? Is any problem in that photo? please reply me!... Thanks!.... H.R.H Prince Muhammad Zahid Zadran 20:05, 17 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by M-Zahid-Zadran (talk • contribs)


 * You cannot put that photo in Afghanistan article, which is a general article about a country. That photo relates to Afghanistan-Iran foreign relations, put it there.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 08:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

February 2016
Hello, I'm Iryna Harpy. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Afghan Americans seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. '' Please refrain from removing sourced content based on WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. If you have issues with content, take your arguments to the article's talk page and present your case per WP:BRD.'' Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Talkback
Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:36, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

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February 2016
Hello, I'm Robert McClenon. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:Iryna Harpy that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed left standing as evidence. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice to meet you. What in particular about that comment is not "very civil"? I simply made a point that people living in Australia don't know much about Afghan Americans. She should have questioned my edit before reverting me. You find that very civil?--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:02, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Some Australians are very well educated and know a great deal about all sorts of things, not just about Australian things. Saying that, because she lives in Australia, she doesn't much about a particular topic that she might have read about, is uncivil.  It is also prejudiced, because it seems to assume that Australians are ignorant of the Northern Hemisphere.  Be aware that you are accumulating a lot of warnings.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:04, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Talkback
Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

RSM
With regret, I have reverted your edits at RSM. It may be effectively a U.S.-led mission, but NATO officially controls it and that is sourced. What would be really good is a good source that says the U.S. dominates mission decision-making. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:42, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Instead of reverting, you should rewrite the intro by clarifing what RSM really is. The U.S. has about 10,000 soldiers. Don't you think readers should know this?--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 10:12, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I would invite you to examine WP:BURDEN. If you wish to introduce a new fact into the article, you have to provide the supporting sources and commentary. Given your edits, you're clearly more aware of the current situation in Afghanistan than I am, so if it's one of us considered to rewrite the article, I would honestly think you're more qualified than I. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:47, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

this edit
Whatever your point of view on the number of Afghan Americans in the USA, I would caution you to avoid WP:Personal Attacks. If you have concerns as to whether the Afghan Embassy in the U.S. is a reliable source, take it to WP:RSN, but calling another user 'an extreme POV pusher' for merely bringing a source which has not been questioned before is completely unwarranted. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:55, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I didn't attack anyone. The Afghan embassy is obviously not RS to the extent it tells us there are 300,000 Afghan Americans. The U.S. government clearly rejects that figure.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 08:27, 6 February 2016 (UTC)