User talk:Ksbaryton

Welcome
Hi Ksbaryton, and welcome to Wikipedia! I've written some advice for past students in a similar class at Longy School of Music which you might find helpful. You'll find it here. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page (User talk:Voceditenore), or place here on your talk page, ask your question, and another editor will come along to help. You might also be interested in WikiProject Classical music, WikiProject Composers, and WikiProject Opera. They have various guidelines for articles in this area and talk pages where you can ask advice from editors experienced in writing articles on classical music and related subjects. You'll find these guides particularly useful: WikiProject Composers: Guide to online research and WikiProject Composers: Copyright guidelines. Happy editing and best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

David Noon (composer)
Hi. Please rewrite the lists using lower case (small letters). Thanks.--Kudpung (talk) 06:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi from me too. All in all, a very good start for a new Wikipedian! I made a few changes to the article. "Reviews" sections with quotes are never a good idea, especially when they are cherry-picked (that is, all positive). Better instead to list the compositions (with any extra information re premiere, recordings etc.) and reference them to a review. You can see how I did this, if you take a look at the article now. Noon is notable, but the sourcing needs improvement. Remember, sources don't have to be online. If the Longy library has a copy of The ASCAP biographical dictionary of composers, authors and publishers, you can use that. Just give the exact page number and the full bibliographic information—publisher, editor/author, date of publication, ISBN (if available). It looks like there's also something in The new music connoisseur: Volume 13; Contemporary American composers: a biographical dictionary (ISBN 0816111170); Pan pipes of Sigma Alpha Iota, Volumes 71-74, etc. etc. Voceditenore (talk) 08:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

General feedback page
I've also added some general feedback to the class as a whole on the Futureclass talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Works list
I was looking at the article history for David Noon (composer) today and noticed that before I edited it, someone else had removed the entire works list. I think it would be appropriate to re-add this, as these are common in composer articles. But if it is re-added it must be formatted correctly. Titles of works are italicised never in capital letters e.g.
 * MOTETS & MONODIES, op. 31 ....

should be


 * Motets & Monodies, Op. 31 ...

Also, to avoid inbalance and to help the reader contextualize the works, it's a good idea to have an introductory prose paragraph to that section highlighting some of the more important or typical works (properly referenced, of course). Take a look at an article I've recently written, Stefano Bernardi, to see what this would look like. You may not have time to re-do all the formatting now to enable the list to be re-added, but it's something you might want to return to later. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, I just looked closely at the list. It's mighty long. ;-) I think it might be better placed at List of compositions by David Noon. It would need a very brief intro:


 * This is a list of the works of the American composer David Noon (born 1946).
 * You'll also need a Sources section for that page. Then in David Noon, you should have a brief prose paragraph in a section called Compositions highlighting a few of his more important works in the various genres, referenced to reviews if possible. Just above the paragraph put:
 * This produces:
 * Since you'll be doing this after you create the list, the red link will be blue. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you'll be doing this after you create the list, the red link will be blue. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you'll be doing this after you create the list, the red link will be blue. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Some helpful references
Hi there. I noticed your comments at User:Voceditenore's talk page and I thought I might help you with some references on composer David Noon. You may wish to use the following:



You may also want to head back to the Manhattan School of Music if you still have library privledges there as an alum and check out this fairly recent dissertation:

I have formatted the references for you in the proper way. Best of luck to you and your class this coming semester.4meter4 (talk) 17:38, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

David Noon additions
Hi Ksbaryton and welcome back! I'll be happy to keep an eye on the progress. I have both David Noon and your talk page on my watch list, so it would be a good idea to keep questions etc. either on Talk:David Noon or here on your talk page. I'll be gone for all of August but 4meter4 is an experienced editor and his advice will also prove helpful. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC) (preceding in response to this message on my talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 07:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)