User talk:Ksy92003/Archive-Jul2008

Funny
He follows me around





72.0.36.36 (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

But isn't aware?
Help me but didn't he (1) make changes, (2) then revert, (3) then say he wasn't aware of that? Someone said he wouldn't do it again, he would be that stupid.

72.0.36.36 (talk) 22:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a bit of a confusing situation because he made a change, then reverted, and left the article alone. But Pats1 is really not helping the situation. Pats1 knows that we made the stalking allegations against him, and I think it was a poor choice of him to edit the same article as you, whether the edits were related or not. He knows that tensions between you two remain, and it wasn't smart for him to follow you to two articles.
 * I honestly think that this is something serious. All of this began three days when Pats1 got involved with the Chrisjnelson block, and with the stalking allegations we made the other day, it's hard for me to understand why Pats1 would follow you to two more articles, whether or not the edits that Pats1 made were related to the ones that you made. When I was blocked for that, it only had to do with the article, not the edits. According to Harassment:


 * "Wikistalking refers to the act of following an editor to another article to continue disruption.. The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor"


 * The policy only states that following a user via their contributions is allowable only in instances where the user's edits are disruptive such as, but not limited to, vandalism or blatant violations of Wikipedia policy. Keep that in mind, and if it were me, I would definitely try to get an administrator to look into this.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 23:30, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * He knew what he was doing. The below posts are . . . not truthful, but what can I do? The admins hate me and won't do anything even if he were stalking me. They have said as much. One even said he'd not be stupid enough to go to a third article. He did. He did it yet again. If I report this to ANI would they even take it seriously? What do you think KSY?. 72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, KSY why is he even here *trying* to defend himself? Pats1 theme song: [] or my theme song: [] 72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I know, the chances of two major New England Patriots players' articles being on my watchlist are quite slim. Quite slim, indeed...  Pats 1  T / C  00:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good one.72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And actually, I didn't even notice that IP was yours (72.0.36.36, that is) until he commented on Seau (I think?). If I saw that, I obviously would have given him an exhaustive dissertation on why I was reverting (even though I reverted my own revert because I know Chris and Yankees10 usually work on infoboxes and they know a whole lot more about what awards usually go where than me, so I figured there was a reason for it not being there, but I reverted to let them (or, currently, just Yanks) see to it...which did obviously happen in some sense.)  Pats 1  T / C  00:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Even better. Who would notice my IP address after seeing a hundred times in 2 days? 72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it's a string of numbers?  Pats 1  T / C  03:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * IP addresses don't necessarily stand out. I'm most apt to notice the prefix, especially if there has been vandalism going on. But in this case it's easy to recognize, because it starts with 72, the next is 0, and the pair of 36's add up to the 72 prefix. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't even look that closely.  Pats 1  T / C  13:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I know everybody's different, but 72.0.36.36 is possibly the easiest IP address in the world to remember. Not often are all four numbers factors of each other, and this IP is just as easy for me to remember as my social security number. It certainly is one that I would recognize right off the bat after seeing it constantly over the past couple days.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 13:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Add in that he's been following that IP for three days now. 72.0.36.36 (talk) 15:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Question to KSY, and only KSY
Does 21:09 and 21:10 come before or after 22:30?72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't let my F last year in math deceive you; it was in AP Calculus. But I actually know a great deal about math and have had the best math grade in many of my math classes over the years. In most cases that I'm familiar with, 21:09 and 21:10 come before 22:30.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 03:00, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I would think so. Now, here's a tricky one: When does Thursday come before Tuesday? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * God, I know this one. I know I've heard this one before, but the answer just isn't coming to me.. I wouldn't think it'd be as obvious as just saying when it's Wednesday, then Thursday would come before Tuesday, but that's way to obvious..  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 03:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * When it's in the dictionary. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * GAH!!!! I'm so pissed off at myself now X( Definitely should've known that one.. Well I can tell you that I'm never gonna forget that one now.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 03:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am stupid. I would have said Wednesday.72.0.36.36 (talk) 03:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's one of those jokes you heard in first grade, and it's your duty to remember everything you learned in elementary school. As with this one: When is a door not a door? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ..Well, I'll tell you one thing: "I may be a high school graduate, but I am not smarter than a first grader."  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 03:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * None of us is, or are. We learned a lot in first grade, and it's been downhill ever since. The answer to that one, by the way, is "When it's a jar." Now, here's one that's slightly more difficult: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the door one.. heck, just the other night on the actual show, a first-grade teacher got the very first question wrong.. She shouldn't feel too bad, though, because her classmate also got the wrong answer, but that just proves that nobody knows what everybody should know. The show's so easy on television, but the pressure just gets to you.
 * And I don't even know where to begin thinking on the raven question. I'm not very good at riddles. The only one I know is the one where "a dude rides into town on Friday, stays for three days, and leaves on Friday; how is this possible?" That one is so easy and the other I'll never forget.
 * But in my defense, we learn actual things in high school/college (yay, I'm so glad I'm finally moving onto college) and we never remember any of those silly riddles.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 03:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What "show" are you referring to? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 13:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The Friday-Friday one sounds familiar, but I don't recall the answer. The other one I was going to ask is, "When are your eyes not eyes?" The raven and writing desk riddle was by Lewis Carroll, and actually was just a nonsense riddle. The king of trivia-with-an-attitude, Cecil Adams, has several possible "answers" for it, including one ex post facto by its author. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:53, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Then there is this


Could it be? 72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I did it
I posted this at the ANI under the same section. If nothing else it will be part of the record. If I get blocked thanks for your support. 72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

rollback
Can I just say, I *cough*, be-be-*bullsh!t*-ieve him *cough*72.0.36.36 (talk) 03:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm rather skeptical about it, myself. As I said on his talk page, I myself am an admin/bureaucrat on another Wiki and am familiar with the tools that they have and how to use them. Rollback is a tool that admins (and some non-admin users) can use to revert all of one user's edits only in the instance of vandalism. First of all, since your edits weren't vandalism, that's improper use of the rollback future, accidental or otherwise. Secondly, as I am familiar with the tools, I know that rollback itself is a really easy option for those who have it to use. In every case, you know that you use it when you do because.. to use it, you actually click a link that says "Rollback" that's kinda hard to miss. It's really hard, if not impossible, to "accidentally" use rollback.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 03:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have accidentally used rollback a couple of times, when I was half asleep and the mouse didn't go where I thought it was going. I've also clicked "this is a minor edit" followed by "save page" a few times when I shouldn't have. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:49, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's review

 * user gets defends friend and says blocking is unfair
 * user blames IP for this
 * user begins editing chris long where blocked user and IP had disagreements. user denies there is connection conection although he'd never been there before
 * user wars with IP for two days or so.
 * user follows IP to jack youngblood. user denies stalking even though he'd never been there before. says he went to "improve wiki"
 * user makes huges edits to jack youngblood, ignoring the consesus bulding on talk page. user denies this is done to provoke IP
 * user follows IP to three more articles and reverts edits by IP. user says he does not recognize IP address
 * user posts that he didn't know all-pro changes were being made. he had already reverted articles with those changes then says he "didn't know
 * user rollsback archives that had old evidence of chrisjnelson uncivil comments. user claims it was "accident"

Am I missing anything? Even with this, all in a space of a few says, it seems user might not be beleived when an explantion is offered, too many "dog ate my homework" excuses in a such a short period of time. Credibility to even most ardent supporter must be wearing a bit thin72.0.36.36 (talk) 15:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This does look incredibly suspicious, even more so because this all began after a dispute between you and Chrisjnelson, somebody with a tight friendship with Pats1, resulted in Chris getting blocked for two weeks. Two weeks isn't exactly a short time.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 17:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Did you notice he showed up to gloat over my being blocked? No, he's not trolling me or anything. He's not made one comment in the consensus building, well until he *thought* I was gone for 3 months LOL! 72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's quite clear that Pats1 dislikes you, and it wouldn't surprise me that somebody who shares that type of relationship with you would post a comment in such a manner.


 * Additionally, I apologize to the comment I made at the talk page. I explained what its meaning was on the ANI page, if you wish to read it.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 02:07, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I understood your comment. I got it right away. Contray to popular beleif I am highly intelligent. Not all types of smart folks can type of spell. David Boice, for example. I am not as intelligent as he is, so the point is . . . I got what your comment was. I knew however, what Bugs' comment was all about. I have not gone back to the ANI page since I asked that the complaint be resolved. I saw what Bugs was all about after I made the complaint anyway. As far as you know who . . . you are right. 72.0.36.36 (talk) 02:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, I would like you to please see this link on the Arena Football League WikiProject talk page. I would like everyone to read this one and the one right after it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. I will do my best to answer you in a timely manner. Thank you,  Cra sh U  nderride  05:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

TFC Roster Regulations
Trust me, you wouldn't the first one to be mixed up by MLS rules. I belong to a forum where we're not even completely sure of everything. The phrase you're referring to is, in my view, better understood in the context of the entire paragraph. Explaining roster regulations into comprehensible words fit for an encyclopedia is actually extremely hard in practice. I'll go point-by-point as I find it helps me explain things better.

1. MLS teams (Canadian or American) have a fixed number of roster spots which stands at 28.

2. Those 28 spots are divided into senior (18) and developmental (10) types. This, however doesn't really impact on your question. This is just so my explanation is complete.

3. American teams have 8 international slots for players who are not American (this includes Canadians). Essentially, for American MLS teams, they must have 20 American players on their roster but only because of the limited nature of international slots. Thus, it's not a quota of American players but rather a cap on non-Americans.

4. Toronto FC is a special case because it is a Canadian team. MLS recognizes that we have less population and so the talent pool is not as deep as in the United States.

5. This means that different roster rules are required to keep TFC competitive in the league. This is done by allowing TFC to have more international players on its 28-man roster.

6. But #5 is more complicated than just giving TFC more international slots (MLS gave TFC 16 slots). Because the MLS is American-based, it naturally wants to encourage the growth of American players (because that was the point of the league when it was established in 1994).

7. Thus, of the 16 international slots given to TFC, at least 5 of those must necessarily be used on Americans. To muddy the waters further, the classification of a player is done on the basis of citizenship rather than the place of birth. For instance, Amado Guevara is considered American though he is from Honduras because he has a green card.

8. As if that's not complicated enough, international slots can be traded between teams.

9. Lastly, the rule change from 2007 to 2008 (giving TFC two extra international slots) mentioned in the article itself is subject to review following the 2009 season. MLS wants to make sure that it doesn't give TFC a leg-up on the American teams.

That's about it for the rules. To answer your questions directly:

1. Everything you have said in your message to me is correct up to where you say that "this is where the confusion comes in" (obviously, otherwise you wouldn't be confused).

2. TFC does not have a cap on Canadian players, they could fill their entire team with Canadians and leave the allowed international slots unused, if they so desired.

3. TFC will never have more Americans on their team than American-based MLS teams. If TFC used all 16 of its international slots for Americans, that number would still be less than the 20 Americans will have (because of their 8 international slot limit --> 28 minus 8 equals 20).

4. What I think mixes you up is the 11+5 clause. TFC is under no obligation to use any of its 16 international slots (for anyone who is not Canadian). Within those 16 internationals, there is a limit of 11 who can be non-Americans. Beyond those 11, any further internationals must be American. But again, there is no obligation to use them. Finally, the 11+5 rule doesn't apply in reverse. More precisely, if TFC has 5 American players on its roster and wants more, that's fine so long as it doesn't exceed the original 16-player limit on non-Canadians.

Hope it makes some sense. Lucky Strike (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Lckystrke

WikiProject Baseball Newsletter
--  jj137   ( talk )  03:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

so whats up with this chris nelson dude? why are you so leery of him? AdamBraniff75 (talk) 01:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Potential Blocked
Man. Thanks for putting a few good points on the wp:ani. I don't like having to log in and the like and just now saw the discussion. Blood is in the water. I appreciate you bring up that I only reverted twice. my best guess, and I am afraid to ask is that they are tired of the discussion on the talk page not actual edits. The main thing I learned is that wiki is a democracy and dissent is not really liked. I an truly concerned that the NFL project is dying. No one really contributes much and many have just left. 72.0.36.36 (talk) 12:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)