User talk:Ksy92003/Archive-Mar2008

WikiProject Los Angeles Angels
It was just created, and I thought you might be interested.  jj137  (talk)  20:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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I'm still making templates though. And I think it is OK to keep the name. You can help me create templates. Help meke a userbox. We need one as soon as possible. If it's too hard. Try to invite as many people as possible to the project.-- RyRy5   talk  04:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks great! Use the same picture for the barnstar. I'm still trying to create the Newsroom.-- RyRy5   talk  06:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Can you also add "for creating the project" in the barnstar you gave me?-- RyRy5   talk  07:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll be leaving soon. Can you give me the code for the barnstar? Also, go to the home page of the project.-- RyRy5   talk  07:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Angels Barnstar
Sorry to tell you this - but the image in the Angels barnstar is the logo (fair use) - so you can't use it in Barnstars, or just about anywhere else (except articles - even though it's reccommended you use free-use images, Logo's are impossible to find free use of). See the image here. Thanks, - Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  19:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling. I thought that it was against fair-use, but earlier in the month, somebody else told me that it was perfectly fine to use logos in templates, so I didn't know what to do.  I stuck with the logo because I didn't know what else I could use and because somebody had told me that it was fine.  Probably should've checked for sure before doing anything, sure.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 07:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Collapsing project banner
I noticed you had asked a question about Talk:Louis Alicea and collapsing the project banner. The trick for doing that is to add "|nested=yes" to it. Take a look at this edit to see what I mean. Hope that helps! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, that helps very much. I only knew that the code was exactly the same (save for the links) as one that had been collapsed, but I didn't think it was a problem with one of the parameters that prevented the template from collapsing.  Thanks for your help.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 07:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

My Idea
you might want to check this out--Yankees10 01:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Just came acros this
"I was just about to say something similar to this. It's really hard to edit articles/templates that other people don't want you to. If I made good edits to an article, and you always reverted me, then I wouldn't want to edit that article, either. Ksy92003(talk) 00:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)"

Thank you, I've been bullied around by Chrisjnelson by reverting edits I've done on numerous times. He's been gettin' on my nerves for months, I'm tired of how he treats other users. He NEVER sources ANYTHING that he adds, that I've seen. I think it's just because he's a journalism major that he thinks he's hot shit or somethin'. But as I said thank you for tellin' him off.  Cra sh U  nderride 


 * Me too, he's bein' buggin' me for almost a year now, he always thinks his edits are THE ONLY way to go and if you do it differently it's a sin. He sent me a message and told me that he's sorry that I make bad edits.... However if you read a review of what someone left on my Editor for review page (link on my userpage) I make several good edits per day, or something to that effect. Besides, at least I have a source for mine (about 95% of the time) as opposed to Chris, all of let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say, 1-2% of the time.

I think just because he's and admin, he thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants and get away with it. I know this much, I truely believe he should no longer be an admin. It should, nee, MUST be taken from him for his bullying tactics, and just down right hard rudeness (which I'm not complainin' about today, just the bullyin'). But that's just my opinion.  Cra sh U  nderride  22:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Chris is not an admin. Rehashing comments from months and months ago is generally considered to be uncivil. Attacking Chris based off his profession (or, more accurately, his studies) is a personal attack. If you disagree with one of Chris' edits, approach him in a civil manner on his talk page (or in an edit summary, or AIM, etc.) and he will be more than willing to provide a source and/or explanation. Would you like me to continue?  Pats 1  T / C  00:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * After some time, it gets to a point where it seems that you have to trust them 100% of the time and you don't get the same trust. Eventually, you're fighting a losing battle and there's nothing you can do about it.  It does frustrate me, but that's why I don't edit the templates: too much drama.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 22:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, no it's not just templates! It's also player pages. He thinks he's too hot to trot on those things, God help, he's EVERYWHERE if he see me make an edit, almost all the time he reverts it. It's insanity!!!  Cra sh U  nderride  22:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * When I put on Hakim Akbar's page, in his infobox form "Super Bowl Champion (XXXVI" to "Super Bowl XXXVI Champion]]" he had to revert it. Normally I wouldn't be upset if he had more than one ring, however he don't. So, that's not vandalism yet he still reverted it.  Cra sh U  nderride  22:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He does that ALOT. He makes several nice edits to the article and then BAM! something that doesn't need to be done. Oh I just remembered, he does sometimes add a source, however it's from a site that he SAYS he contributes too [www.kffl.com]. Which I don't think should be allowed. But that's just me.  Cra sh U  nderride  23:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's why I don't think he should be able to use it.  Cra sh U  nderride  23:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, KFFL is a large website which many different "departments," none of which Chris has any major influence in. Secondly, whenever Chris cites KFFL, it is for the "Hot Off the Wire" portion (the best known part) of the website, which is a news aggregator, its blurbs of which are from secondary sources (newspapers) and neither are influenced by nor maintained by Chris. It is in no way a Conflict of Interest. End of story.  Pats 1  T / C  00:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I didnt' see that lol.  Cra sh U  nderride  07:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll apologize to Pats1 but not to Chris, I won't apologize to him for anything, until his apologizes to every user he's ever bullied.  Cra sh U  nderride  07:32, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Editor review
Well, I would like to discuss some of your comments on Crash Underride's talk page today before I would make any input.  Pats 1  T / C  00:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is something... that still bothers me whenever I see either Chris or Pats1 revert an edit, saying "source?" I see all the time that somebody makes what appears to be a good edit, and it's reverted on-sight by Chris and Pats1 because they didn't give a source. Then, Chris and Pats1 make every single edit without giving a source themselves, which still seems quite hypocritical. I think it's unfair for everybody whose making good-faith edits, and it does seem like they are being bullied away from those templates. It really doesn't seem fair to me at all, and even now it frustrates me every time I see it happen; I was just thinking about it the other day after Pats1 reverted somebody. I really wish I could do something about it.
 * I have a problem with the last sentence in particular. There is something you can do about "it," and that is to talk to one of us.  Pats 1  T / C  00:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that this isn't a good way to say this, and I shouldn't, but I'm gonna be honest about that comment and come out with my meaning of that comment; I kinda meant that at times, I wish I could revert either you or Chris as a form of "revenge" to show you what it feels like. Note the bold and italics around "wish"; it's not something I would ever do because I know that's a clear violation of WP:POINT.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 01:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Eventually, you're fighting a losing battle and there's nothing you can do about it. It does frustrate me, but that's why I don't edit the templates: too much drama.
 * If you have any problem with anything Chris or I do, feel free to tell us about it straight up on our talk pages, but telling another user they're "fighting a losing battle" if they try to do that themselves creates a false pretense I have a problem with.  Pats 1  T / C  00:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This comment wasn't really meant in a bad way, but it might've come off that way. I only meant that, in my observations, I haven't seen many other people edit the roster templates other than you and Chris.  When I do, and again this is based on when I occasionally check your [both your and Chris'] activity, their edit is reverted.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 01:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That is partly an unfair generalization. Chris and I spend a lot of time each day actively tracking the moves, and have been doing so for over a year now. We were both involved in the creation and evolution of the current roster template, and thus are familiar with how it works in regards to player listings (you'd be surprised how many times people have tried to turn it into a depth chart), positions (we do a lot of research in that regard), and contracts (I personally researched all the free agents for this offseason, and in that process and others have learned what sources out there are more reliable than others). You'd also be surprised how many times users/IPs tried to add players from the FA section back to the main roster, even if there was clear indication that such a player was still a free agent. There's really no other way to do achieve this consistency and high standards without reverting and explaining the process to any user who doesn't have the expertise on the workings of the template.  Pats 1  T / C  02:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand that, and believe me, I [and many others, I'm sure] appreciate the work that you do on thest templates. I think that a lot of the problems that do come up about these could be avoided by, and I hope you don't take this in a negative way, contacting the user/IP after they make one of those edits and tell them why you reverted them.  It might be time-consuming to go to every talk page of a user/IP that you and Chris revert, but I think it'd be worth the sacrifice.  I'd like to see more explanation to the reason for the reverts, and I think that could easily kill a lot of the issues.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 06:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A little side note: after looking at Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:National Football League roster templates for the last 500 edits as of 12:00 AM, Mountain Standard Time, not Pacific Standard Time– I'm currently in Tempe, Arizona, right across the street from where the Sun Devils lost to Florida 70-57 tonight– which goes all the way back to last Wednesday, I only count seven edits made by users other than you and Chris that have stood. Again, that's just a side note, but when I look at something like that, and I see a lot of reverts (I'm posting this comment as if I wasn't looking at all the reverts, even though I did for this one instance; I generally don't) it does, sometimes, make me wonder what's going on.  I wouldn't think that so many people would be screwing up so much that you'd need to revert them so much.  It makes me curious, and I have that generalization that you and Chris revert a bit too frequently for all those reverts to be reasonable and understandable.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 07:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A completely arbitrary assessment, I believe. I have heard this before, though. Last summer, there was an editor who essentially waged war against me after I tried to help him improve his good faith yet unencyclopedic edits on San Diego Chargers. It has been awhile, but I remember him "examining" my contributions, seeing that I had reverted a lot, and thus concluded that I was "running rough-shot over Wikipedia." I think you're doing something similar here. Without actually following the templates on a daily basis, you are drawing a conclusion based off an edit history and then creating an arbitrary "cut-off" of how many reverts are too many. Quite frankly, there are times when one revert is unacceptable and a thousand reverts are totally acceptable, so I find it strange that you'd think a high number of reverts automatically equates to something "curiously unreasonable." It's not. Please take the time to examine most of them. As someone who does maintain these templates on a daily basis, I can tell that there is a lot of vandalism on these. There have been times where I protected the templates. Generally, vandalism on these consists of IPs/users changing names on the rosters to their own (i.e. Tom Brady to Joe Smith), modifying them (i.e. Tom Brady to Tom BradySUCKS), or, my personal favorite, swapping out a bunch of names from another team, as happened on the Pats' roster a few weeks ago (i.e. Tom Brady to Peyton Manning, Randy Moss to Marvin Harrison, etc.). When you see the generic "X reverted edits made by Y" message, it's for vandalism. I think you have an unjust negative connotation with that perfectly fine obvious revert message and something that would be avoided like like plague on Wikipedia. When the revert is regarding something about style (i.e. a user changing the roster to a depth chart, a user changing CB to LCB or ILB to MLB, etc.), we'll almost always explain this in our edit summaries, provided the edits weren't obviously malicious - "not a depth chart" is the usual summary. If the user persists, we'll usually leave a message on his talk page explaining how the template works, as I remember with a Jags fan recently who wanted to make the roster a carbon copy of the Jaguars.com roster, which, of course, must be correct (it wasn't). Also, ksy, I noticed you made reference to the majority of edits on the templates coming by me and Chris. I don't know what you want to see, but it looks like you want some type of affirmative action that would "allow" for more IPs/users to make  more edits, despite any illiteracy of the template they may have. You see, the fact of the matter is, Chris and I are constantly monitoring the transaction wires for moves, and so naturally we're going to make most of the edits as there's no one out there who either knows about the moves so long before us or who can contribute on a daily basis anywhere close to as consistently Chris and I do. I really don't know what you're looking for out of us in this regard - without us, the templates would be horribly inaccurate and disheveled. I do find it offensive when you or someone else associated with WP:NFL claims that Chris or I are "bullies," an accusation I've seen on many occasions.
 * I haven't bothered to pay attention to what Chris does on articles.
 * Perhaps I'm taking this the wrong way, but it appears you're saying that you've intentionally steered clear of Chris' edits for a particular reason, without citing it.  Pats 1  T / C  00:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not avoiding him. I only meant that when I check the contributions, I don't look at the edits that he makes in the article namespace.  I can't explain this, really, but Chris' edits to the roster templates are of more interest to me than to the articles.  It's nothing bad though.  I will scope it out if it appears suspicious to me.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 01:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * which it could be quite possible that he is putting up false information over there and using it as a source.
 * I think that accusation alone would qualify as uncivil under WP:ICA, especially considering the fact that the part of KFFL he (and I) use as sources is a news aggregator.  Pats 1  T / C  00:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In the context that I said that, I thought that it could be understood that I was only saying that if he had connections to the website (I didn't know what the connections were until you told me, for the record), then it could be used to work around the system. I didn't mean that anybody would.   Ksy92003  ( talk ) 01:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Editor review
I have commented at your editor review page.  jj137  (talk)  00:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar Fixed
I fixed the LAA barnstar. Try it out.-- RyRy5   talk  04:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I had seen that you were tweaking and fiddling with the barnstar, and I was questioning to myself Why is the image a picture of Angel Stadium? With the most recent re-titling, it makes sense now.  If you don't mind, could you go to User:Ksy92003/Barnstars and adjust the barnstar to the "current" format?  I don't want to be the one to change an award given to me.. but then again, the reason I got that barnstar was for creating the barnstar, so it's pretty much obsolete anyway.. unless you want to go and change the reason for awarding me the barnstar also.  Ah, just do whatever you want.
 * Long story short, the barnstar looks fine to me, which means it's bound to be changed about five times before the first pitch in Tokyo in three hours.  Ksy92003  ( talk ) 06:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Check it out!
Check out Template:Infobox Gridiron football person alt. I modified the one and it now include the Arena League, and a few other things. If you could add the section for the jersey numbers that would be great lol. Check out Hakim Akbar, that's how it looks filled out. That article gave me the idea for it. It's mostly for current and former players who played in the NFL, CFL, and Arena, or any combo of the two anre are coaches, etc. Hope you can help.  Cra sh U  nderride  06:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

2007 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim season
Hi, I was wondering if I can nominate this article to Good Article ststus? Not now but soon.-- RyRy5   talk  01:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sam Bankhead
Sam Bankhead is a redlink in our Hector Lopez article. I think he should have an article based on what I see here: http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballplayers/player.php?name=Sam_Bankhead_1910 In fact, I think he is probably DYK material.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Baseball articles needed
You may want to keep an eye here for baseball articles needed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)