User talk:Ktr101/Archive 6

Twinkle Toes
Just a courtesy note that I have reverted this edit of yours, as it's untrue what you say. Please provide sources when adding to articles; that way, these things wouldn't happen.  Schwede 66  04:26, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops! It appears as though I completely misinterpreted an article to state that the machine demolished the structure. Sorry about that! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:34, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

National University “Yaroslav the Wise Law Academy of Ukraine”
Hello again!

Regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Yaroslav_Mudryi_Law_Academy_of_Ukraine :

"Sorry, I forgot about this. I'm hesitant to put quotes in an article's title as it would make the title appear to be suspect. If you could show me an reliable article in English that says this, I will move it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)"

First of all, "Yaroslav Mudriy" was incorrect right from the start. Yaroslav the Wise Secondly, http://jur.vokar.org/en/about-academi and http://jur-academy.kharkov.ua/archives/2643 Article 2 of the Statute, which states the official English name of the University "англійською мовою — National University “Yaroslav the Wise Law Academy of Ukraine”;

I hope that this is enough. Thank you in advance. InSp!Re (talk) 20:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but I still see no reason to include the quotation marks in the title. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't get that. What is the problem with changing the title? InSp!Re (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Basically, adding quotation marks in the title would make it look extremely weird, and that is partly why I have been hesitant on moving it lately. If you can give me a very compelling and convincing reason to include the quotation marks, I will oblige. Otherwise, I can move it to its new title without the quotation marks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The quotation marks in the title are because the institution is of "University" type, an it's name is "Yaroslav the Wise Law Academy of Ukraine". It is the only acceptable official name, stated in all documents, including its statute, and even on the signs in the city. InSp!Re (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, still no answer... InSp!Re (talk)
 * Okay, it's been moved. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your understanding

InSp!Re (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:38, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXVIII, September 2012
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DYK for Loring Air Force Base Double Cantilever Hangar
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Mary Adelia Rosamond McLeod
Disregard my email Kevin. I moved Bishop McLeod's page to change the title.

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Fortun Sanchez de Mendoza Lord Zambrana
The reason why you did not aprove the wiki was because you did not understand the spanish original sources? Your a history student i am sure you know how to use google translate. One more thing i am using the local history of the town of Zambrana all noted as references? Even a monastery clergical record of his death. Why did you not aprove the wiki?

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 19:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason I didn't approve it is for many reasons: Tone, manual of style, poor citations, notability, the fact that this has limited scope, and the fact that Wikipedia is not a place for genealogy. Regardless, I have no idea what the article is about, and the only thing that might be salvageable there is the part on Fortun Sanchez de Mendoza, although I would like to see more citations for a claim that could easily be contested. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:05, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine
Thanks Ktr101 for looking over my article and granting it approval. I just put up a list of Past Deans on the page. Can you tell me if it looks OK, and if there's a better way to list such information? Cheers. Aakrum (talk) 20:43, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Everything checks out! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:38, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, I appreciate the review. Still learning here! Aakrum (talk) 17:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Going Native
Hi. Please do not add unsourced original research or trivia to plot synopses, as you did with this edit to Going Native. I appreciate that you've been here a while, but any material that isn't part of helping readers to understand the plot of a work should not be included in a synospis, per WP:TVPLOT, and WP:PLOTSUMMARIZE, and material that cannot be incorporated into relevant sections of an article is considered trivia. In addition, the assertion that the resort in the episode is a fictionalized version of a real resort was not cited, and appears to be original research. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 14:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I added it with the idea that I would add a citation after some published sources had been created today. Furthermore, I am very well aware of what trivia is considered on this site, and I just figured I would add it so that the person improving the article might be able to link directly to the former hotel when they expanded the article. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks! I figured that I might as well create it once I heard about her passing and decided to investigate a bit more on her history. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Reliable sources for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The GreenScreen for Safer Chemicals
There are 10 citations for this article now, which are also notable: CEPA, OECD, US EPA, etc. Can you tell me EXACTLY which part of this truncated article is not back up by reliable citations? There's not much left of it to cite. Amycaroline321 (talk) 21:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see any notability being established here, even if the citatations can now be considered reliable. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I have changed the article to establish notability. Thank you. Amycaroline321 (talk) 15:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind explaining how notability was established for creating this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_hosting? This doesn't appear to follow wiki's golden rule at all. I'm just trying to get a sense for what does and doesn't pass for creating an article by looking at examples. I do understand the rules for creating an article are more stringent than for one that exists, but finding consistency in examples on wikipedia is, well, quite difficult.Amycaroline321 (talk) 14:14, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have seen this, and I will get back to you later on today. It's a bit of a complicated answer, so I want to get it right the first time. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:02, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * So basically, the Green hosting article has sources that talk about the concept as a whole, even if it is a concept. I don't think it is the best article out there, but it gets the point across. The problem with your submission is that it does not contain any mention of the process, something which would be important if you were trying to establish its notability. Right now, none of the sources talk or even mention the thing, so it is impossible to denote notability here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:08, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXIX, October 2012
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Goldilocks Mastectomy
Thanks for participating in AfC. However, I noticed Goldilocks Mastectomy, which you accepted, had no indication of notability. If you read the last sentence, the procedure was just described, and the article is in press. Medical topics use this guideline, so I don't understand how it can be notable if no secondary reliable medical sources have discussed it. What do you think should be the next step here? Speedy? Prod? Proposed deletion? Thanks. Biosthmors (talk) 15:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, go ahead, as I apparently missed the date thing. Either that, or we could wait a few months and see if anything else pops up to help us out. Either way, I won't object if you nominate it for anything. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Clarify?
Hi, I see you are the author of the chart to the right. It's unclear what the X axis represents, so I don't know what I'm looking at. Could you add a little more contextual information about the data that generated the chart? Thanks, Pete (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can do that. I always have preferred to update it on Wednesdays since that is when the newest data comes out, so I will try to get it done in a reasonable amount of time. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -Pete (talk) 21:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Political historian Barbara Cruikshank
Maybe we could convince her to edit/review "Poor People's Campaign"... groupuscule (talk) 22:15, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We could, but I am so busy that I cannot commit to anything, even though she is from my school. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:58, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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DYK problem
If you provide an appropriate inline citation for the hook fact I will pass this long overdue-for-review DYK nomination. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Re:Question
I could return the hook to the nomination page, but IMHO you are overly optimistic about the possibility the image could be used. DYK rules require that images be "suitable, attractive, and interesting at a 100 × 100 px resolution". At the required resolution, the proposed image appears to be a set of black smudges on a blue-grey and tan background. It is not until it is enlarged that there is enough detail to make out the B-52s and satisfy DYK requirements. When the average reader can not be expected to understand the image then it is not possible to satisfy the requirement the the image be both suitable and interesting. Even knowing what the image depicts, an advantage not available to the majority of people viewing the Main page, provides only a small improvement on being able to make out what is depicted. --Allen3 talk 18:19, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the clarification. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Loring Air Force Base
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DYK for Alert crew
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DYK for Mole hole
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DYK for Christmas tree (aviation)
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DYK for Elephant walk (aviation)
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DYK for Minimum Interval Takeoff
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DYK nomination of List of United States Coast Guard stations
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 * Please see new note on DYK talk page. We really do have to finish this up. Yoninah (talk) 10:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Fields of the United States Army Air Corps


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Category:Installations of Army predecessors to the United States Air Force

 * Why are you trying to wipe this category out? The USAF *did* *not* *exist* before 1947, why did you create a category that implies such a thing?
 * This is the text I've inserted at the cat entry: "This category should not be speedy deleted, because (a) it is not unpopulated (b) it appears to have been deliberately emptied by User:Ktr101, and (c) the attempted replacement category, 'Pre-1947 installations of the United States Air Force' is inaccurate. This category was created and carefully named to reflect the fact that the USAF was only created in 1947. The replacement category appears to imply that before 1947 the USAF existed, which is patently untrue!!" --Buckshot06 (talk) 03:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Anyone who has studied the Air Force or even has basic knowledge of it knows that it was created in 1947, and the name was an attempt to convey that. The category's wording as you wrote it made absolutely no sense gramatically, and my replacement was an attempt to fix that. If you want to propose another name, let me know, but the name that you had there sounds incredibly awkward. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well don't say 'Pre-1947 installations of Service X', because clearly that implies that Service X was in existence before 1947!! Even if you don't like the category wording, PLEASE don't say something that is clearly wrong; we write for GENERALISTS, not experten who may be expected to know when the USAAF became the USAF; we write for people who do not study the USAF, not for you, me, User:Lineagegeek and User:Bwmoll3!
 * How about 'U.S. army air services installations before 1947' then? Buckshot06 (talk) 03:34, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The works, although "United States Army aviation facilities" might be the best one, if you want to include post-1947 ones as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that's the point: it's all predecessors (Air Div Sigs Corps -> all the way to USAAF) up to 1947, but not post-1947: that's the big category Category:Installations of the United States Air Force. That's what the category is *for*: all pre-1947. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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User:MZMcBride/Sandbox 3/images
Hi. I'm not sure User:MZMcBride/Sandbox 3/images still needs to exist. Is it being used anywhere? If not, can you mark it for speedy deletion (author request)? --MZMcBride (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not that I am aware of, although I think it exists from a time when your sandbox was used as the place to store updated lists, which were then periodically made live. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Michigan Marching Band History
Last month you tagged this page with original research/lacking citation tags. The article was copied word-for-word from the source (6 years ago), from articles published by the marching band organization. The source is cited in the article. Are you looking for independent citations? Parkerdr (talk) 05:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I never saw that below. Inline citations would be nice, as it would help to make it easier to show that the facts are attributable to something (preventing a situation where someone adds something, but it "falls" under the history page). Additionally, the article right now stands at risk for another editor coming along and accidentally tagging it as a copyright violation. Finally, if written permission (in the form of OTRS) could be obtained, just to make sure that this is actually something that has been donated (for lack of a better word) to Wikipedia. In the future, when I finally decide to overhaul the UMass Band page, that is going to be something that I will have to do as well, although I don't think our history page is as comprehensive as Michigan's. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:25, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The OTRS ticket number and related conversation is on the talk page, also from 2006. The source article is split among several web pages, so we could put in a finer granularity of citations to match the source web site. Parkerdr (talk) 13:15, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. I guess I should probably do my homework from now on. I have modified the tags at the top of the page to show that the article now needs inline citations, and nothing else. If you could add citations, or help me figure out what is up on that page in terms of what came from where, that would be great! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 14:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * the level 2 headings in the article correspond to a web page on the MMB website. Can you (should you) attach a citation to the heading?  or the lead sentence?  Don't know when I would get to it.  Parkerdr (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Generally, it is best to add the citations to the end of the paragraph, or fact blurb. This is meant to ensure that everything is attributed, and prevents funky headers. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Ameba TV entry update
Hi, we've updated the entry to include our XBOX app notification and citing both other wikipedia entries and Microsoft's site as well. Can you please review again?

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Submission Rejected, Requesting help
Hello, I'm seeking help regarding my recent submission denial.

I was denied due to citation.

What the the proper steps to take to correct this and resubmit?

Thanks for your help.

Best, Kim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klshandrow (talk • contribs) 20:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say that it needs more outside sources, but I am also not seeing much notability. If you could find more outside sources, you should be able to make your case on the article. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Griffiss AFB deletion
Hi! I noticed from my watchlist that you made a major deletion of information from the Griffiss Air Force Base article on the basis that it was copyrighted. I presume from this that the entire series of paragraphs was a direct quote since much of this information (at least the part that is accurate) is available from uncopyrighted sources. Also the initial paragraphs concern the 1963 SAC conversion from Strategic Wings and are quite similar to material in various bombardment wing articles. This material is generally unsourced in these articles (but see List of MAJCOM wings of the United States Air Force), but I'm wondering what would violate copyright.--Lineagegeek (talk) 23:20, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The material was taken from the "SAC Base" section here. I normally do not go through and blank entire sections of text, but these issues are over five years old. On the Plattsburgh page, I removed most of the text yesterday because it was all copied in November of 2006. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:30, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * So I see. Unfortunately, cut and paste is easier that paraphrase, attribution, and use of multiple sources.   Lineagegeek (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Stamp Stampede
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 * If you have added the script properly, you should be able to have a tab drop down alongside the "move" tab. If you then click on it, it will show you how to review it properly. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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DYK for List of United States Coast Guard stations
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Speedy deletion nomination of 134th Tactical Fighter Wing


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Copyright concerns and a way to detect them
Please see my reply at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. You may already be aware the WP:PLAGIARISM rules etc, but some of the specific advise: "many web sites copy US government sources verbatim without necessarily making it clear that the text originates from a US government source..." may be useful. -- PBS (talk) 09:49, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

348th Tactical Electronic Group
Although I realize that a redirect will put the user at the same location, I wonder if moving a page to a designation like 348th Tactical Electronics Group which is its current designation, but one it has never held while active is appropriate. I did the same thing editing a number of Tactical Missile Squadron articles (for the most part they have only been active as Air Defense Missile Squadrons and not always with the same number). That action was questioned with no consensus by a couple of editors, and at the time I came down on the side of latest designation, but I am less sure now. There were a ton of USAF organizational actions in 1983-1985 that changed the designations of units that have never been active since. At least one former Photo Recce Group was disbanded again in 1992 without ever being active under its new designation. I just don't think a lot of users are even aware of these organizational actions and would be searching for the units under these names.

Perhaps worth a discussion on the MILHIST talk page? A similar issue occurs with the 456th Bombardment Group, which is a fairly complete discussion of the group (although missing inline citations). The last designation, however was 456th Troop Carrier Group, whose history would be more interesting if it were less classified. What do you think? Lineagegeek (talk) 22:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is a tough issue to resolve. I reside more on the side of moving it to its redesignated name since the Air Force officially changed its name, but I can see where you are coming from. It is issues like this that have frustrated me in the past, as the military naming conventions aren't necessarily the easiest thing to learn, but once you do, you realize how messed up they are. Either way, I would be all for a discussion at the talk page, although I think that the response would probably be more supportive for your view. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Black Action Movement
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If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 04:00, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Sue! So, the reason I removed it is because there is more out there in terms of notability and coverage in independent sources that are not the school's library. I just created that article as a bare-bones article, in much the same way as other articles that I have created, with the eventual goal of returning to expand them. In terms of digging up stuff, I will probably do this in the coming days, as I just slapped on a reference that stated what I found, but I know that there is more out there due to prior Google searches. Furthermore, I would suggest PRODing or AFDing it, as I also removed the template because it doesn't duplicate the era that you specified, so much as it is a more specific portrayal of it. I also had issue with tying the 1987 actions with something that occurred in the late 60's, as reading articles on the controversy at WJJX shows that the region had a long way to go in terms of acceptance of all peoples, but it was different from the actions of a prior generation. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I meant to add this earlier. If you want, I would be okay with merging the article into a larger article, if you think that would be best, as I think it would be naive to completely remove this information, as there are other articles on Wikipedia which mention this, so it is definitely worthy of mention. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Removing Speedy at Black Action Movement
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Kannada Film Aane Pataaki
Thank you for reviewing my article about the Kannada Film Aane Pataaki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Aane_Pataaki

I'm not sure what I did wrong that it was declined. Please let me know how to improve my article and how it is different from hundreds of already existing articles about Kannada Films. A few of them are listed below.


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaanu
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_%282012_Kannada_film%29
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addhuri
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bond
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalpana_%282012_film%29
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drama_%28film%29
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chingari_%282012_film%29
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krantiveera_Sangolli_Rayanna
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidlingu

Look forward to hear from you. Have a nice day.

Archana Appachu (talk) 06:53, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Archana! So, the reason I declined it is that it may not be a notable movie, so I declined it because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Please forgive me ahead of time if this is because I have an Amerocentric view on the sources, but I really am unable to see any notability established in the sources, other than them looking like a photo gallery or fan sites. If you could find some more reliable sources that are more reliable in that regard (and I will understand if that is impossible to do, so let me know immediately), I would love to give it another review! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Black Action Movement
Hello, Ktr101,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Black Action Movement should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Articles for deletion/Black Action Movement.

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho


 Ϣere Spiel  Chequers is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages.


 * Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Genrikh_Graftio
Just wanted to give you a heads up that your Non-Admin closure was reverted by the nominator. (I actually reverted one of her non-admin closures a few weeks ago because it didn't run the whole 7 days and was met with resistance. []Mike (talk) 23:23, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, no big deal, but thank you for the notification! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
 * He is correct. That's how I learned that it was a rule and not just a guidline. (Previous to that, my understanding was that it was merely a guideline) Kevin, you rock. I just think it should go for the whole seven days is all, even tho it's prolly a keep. Be well.--Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 04:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Attribution within Wikipedia; Air Force versus AFHRA
Hi, Ktr101. I have been doing some work on your CCI as a way to provide more information for participants in your RFA. I noticed that you occasionally have copied material from one Wikipedia article to another. Giving attribution via the edit summary is okay, but a better way to do it is with the template, which is placed on the talk page of the sending and receiving article. That way there's a notice that clearly states that the history of the sending page is required for proper attribution for the material on the receiving page. There's more material on this topic at Copying within Wikipedia. A second problem I have noticed is that there's quite a few biographies which are templated as having been drawn from the AFHRA website, which is PD, when the actual source of the material is the Air Force website at http://www.af.mil. I have confirmed with Wizardman that the Air Force website is also PD. But they require attribution, so any and all articles where you gave incorrect attribution will have to be changed. Any assistance you can offer in correcting these articles would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much, and best wishes to you in the holiday season. -- Dianna (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification, as I was previously unaware that that template or page even existed. I'm assuming that these issues are addressed on the CCI page, as I can easily help if they are pointed out there, or somewhere else. Do you think it would be feasible to create a template similar to the AFHRA page, but use it for Air Force biography pages, as I think we probably have enough articles here to make it feasible. If so, I would be interested in helping create it, since it would be a good way to standardize some of this, in that regard. Again, thanks for the notification, and I appreciate you fixing up the CCI page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Air force issue, here's a diff of the one article I did clean up: . So yeah, a new template would be awesome. You could check out all the biographies listed at your CCI page and see which of them have the template that should not, and correct them. Regarding the copying of material within Wikipedia, I noticed two of those, at Big Dig and Fort Devens. You are permitted, and even encouraged, to help with the investigation at the CCI page. Any assistance you can offer there would be appreciated, as the backlogs are enormous and the work is dull. Old websites that are 404 can often be accessed using the Wayback Machine: http://archive.org/web/web.php. There's additional instructions at the top of the case page. If you have any questions or run into tricky stuff you're not sure about, you can ask me. If I can't help you we can find out answers from our experts, Wizardman and Moonriddengirl. -- Dianna (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll get on that right now. In regards to the copied text, do you want me to retroactively go back and template them? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not? it might impress the voters :) If you have any trouble locating the appropriate diffs, please let me know. -- Dianna (talk) 20:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually just want to help because I messed up and hate feeling helpless to doing that. I just was never sure if it would create a COI issue or something, so I have always been hesitant to help out. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you think? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The other template puts the material in italics. Do you want plain, or italics? -- Dianna (talk) 20:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Italics work. If you could do that, that would be awesome! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The blasted thing is putting it in italics when no parameters are added, but omitting them when additional parameters are used. But so is the template you used as a model; I don't know why. See my sandbox: User:Diannaa/sandbox. It's fine; if we later figure out what's up, when we amend the template all usages will get amended too. -- Dianna (talk) 21:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I just realized that I created a very redundant template, so here is the right one. Sorry about the confusion, and I'll go convert that one right now! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Just a couple thoughts on helping out. You are right to be wary of COI, but there things you can do ad things you cannot. I have some experience in this area, but I'm by no means the expert that others are, so if others want to modify this advice, that's fine. Generally speaking you cannot review your own contributions and declare them OK. (I can envision a narrow exception, but it doesn't apply here.) Other than the obvious answering of questions, Diannaa has pointed out a good example of something you can do. In those cases, it makes sense to add your actions to the CCI page, but let someone else make the determination that it is now fine. If there are cases where you now realize the original paraphrasing was too close, by all means do the rewrite, note that you have done so, but let someone else conclude it is now acceptable. I note that sometimes your sourcing is suboptimal, and it is difficult to check, because Google searches bring up mirrors. You are in a better position to remember where you may have found some material (and I understand we are talking about years ago, so I'm not expecting you to remember everything); your articles often fall into a few categories - military bases, New England points of interest, so if you have a couple sources for some of these articles, adding the source tot he article will do double duty, it will improve the sourcing and help an investigator confirm that the facts are supportable and not a direct copy.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Kevin. It looks like I gave you some bad advice by misinterpeting how much you were allowed to do on the CCI page. It's my fault, and I apologise. -- Dianna (talk) 19:04, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's okay, as I may have found my next project on this site. Regardless, a lot of what I have reviewed so far is incredibly boring and simple, so if you want, I can go ahead and note the places where I added images and save some time for you both there. In terms of the lack of sources, I was actually thinking about last night how this whole thing is really interesting because it is allowing for me to see just how far I've come since starting this site. If you run into anything, feel free to create a section on the talk page, and I'll help out re-writing anything that needs to be fixed. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I try and help out over there; it was something I had intended to do, and said so at my RFA, but initially my internet connection was not fast enough to load the pages, what with all the templates. Now I have a better connection, so I helped clean up one of the old cases and now pop over and work on Racepacket's CCI sometimes. I just do small batches, as the work is tedious, yet requires a high level of concentration to do a good job. -- Dianna (talk) 19:31, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I completely understand. When I was reviewing yesterday, I tried to aim for the ones that would be easy reviews (i.e. the articles where the prose was, "X is X of X...X," and nothing more). I figured I would leave you guys the longer articles, but I also felt horrible in doing so, because you guys are taking a rather monumentous task without much help. Regardless, I will go contribute in some other CCIs now, so that I don't feel so bad about not helping you all out. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You should clear that with Wizardman first and make sure he is satisfied that you have a good grip on the issues, or perhaps postpone helping out until your own case is wrapped up. Because it says at the top of the page "All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to clean up." -- Dianna (talk) 20:36, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Holiday cheer

 * Thanks, Michael! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:35, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Season's tidings!
To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:51, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and have a great holiday season as well! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXI, December 2012
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Fight Mas
Kevin, I'm sure you have a lot going on, but I'm taking a look at Fight Mass. You included the lyrics. Because they were written after 1923, they are not obviously out of copyright. While I suspect it is unlikely the copyright was filed and renewed, we probably need stronger evidence. Do you have reason to believe that the lyrics are public domain?-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  16:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's actually a good question. At the time, I think I may have been styling it off of The Victors, UMichigan's song, but feel free to remove it if you want, as I was unaware that that would be an issue. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I just found out that the song isn't under copyright, just so you are aware. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:02, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Copyright help
Helping out on others should be fine, so long as the person's copyright issues were good faith errors, which yours were. Wizardman 21:05, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! I'll get back to it this evening, and continue working on what I was doing earlier. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:09, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that point up so quickly, Wizardman. See you later - have a good holiday season! -- Dianna (talk) 21:16, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Followup to the Template:WikiProject United States question
I just wanted to also let you know that in addition to those projects not being supported by the WPUS template, most of the rest will likely fall into disrepair and inactivity as well. I was the main one supporting and keeping most of these projects going. I stopped doing that a couple months ago due to a variety of reasons, not the least of which being I got tired of being the bad guy for trying to build them up and keep them going and fighting off other projects ownership issues on articles. So, if you are interested in keeping those other projects you mentioned going, they will need support. Kumioko (talk) 22:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that makes sense. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they do go defunct, and your idea gains more support after awhile. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Despite my reservations I'm sorry that the RfA didn't work out. I'm convinced that you'll be a wonderful admin one of these days. Enjoy the holidays. Cheers, Majoreditor (talk) 04:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the well-wishes. Honestly, running wasn't a horrible idea, as it will help me in the future, should I decide to run again, and your reservations were well-founded and are great constructive criticism. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

That thing you wanted
Because that totally tells you what I'm talking about.

But seriously, this image. And is the main render of it not showing up for you? Because it's not showing up for me. Fortunately this is not on my server and thus not my problem and thus I do not have to spend another two hours battling with the damn file configurations because oh gods too many servers already kill me now.

...I mean... uh... g'day to you. -— Isarra ༆ 07:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Why is the "s" funky? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawal statement
It's probably one of the best I've ever seen and shows guts. Respect.— cyber power Online Merry Christmas 14:15, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I had missed you RfA, I would have gladly supported. I have not worked with you recently, but I remember working over at DYK with you and have seen you around recently. I belive you plenty trustworthy. I think you handled that situation very well then and as Cyber said above your withdrawal statement was so on the mark. Hopefully Jimbo has a good idea in his head that he has hinted to. And you are so right that it is just a damn couple of buttons. They really need to change the name of this usergroup to something like facilities. :) take care Kevin. Happy Christmas to both you and your family. Calmer   Waters  15:26, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You did a great job with that RfA, Kevin. Let me know if you want any help with a future RfA. - Dank (push to talk) 22:39, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Another wasted RFA IMO. Sorry I didn't get a chance to vote. I usually find myself waiting till the end so my opinions don't sway others. You should have had that though. Its not your fault that CCI has a 3 year backlog to clear your name. If you were a CCI violator they would have banned you long ago so that speaks for itself. Good luck on the next run. Kumioko (talk) 01:22, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot guys, and have a great 2013! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, and I will consider your offer should I run again! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Black Action Movement DYK
Hi Kevin. I reviewed Black Action Movement for DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Black Action Movement. There is a question there I'm hoping you can address. Thanks, Gobōnobō + c 20:35, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MIMS Ireland
I am not sure I understand why my article is declined again, as I thought I did everything possible to comply with Wikipedia guidelines. MIMS Ireland is really used as a reference for doctors in Ireland as attested by references 7, 8, 9 and 10. These are independent references, and from key regulatory Irish bodies (the Irish Medicines Board and the Irish Sports Council). In particular 7 and 8 highlight that MIMS Ireland can be used as a reference for the use of drugs in sport. Could you please let me know what I could do more? I cannot find any references that are more relevant and central than these two Irish regulatory bodies. I know I'm the Editor of MIMS Ireland so maybe you think there is a promotional tone or a conflict of interest? But I'm also the best person to provide accurate information about this publication! Would you like me to make the article shorter or change any particular parts to have a more 'encyclopedia style'? Many thanks for the clarification.Mcmousseau (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

ACC Barnstar

 * Thank you! Sorry I could not have been of service more towards the end of the month, but I look forward to helping you more when I return from my vacation. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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Rachel Sermanni
Hi Kevin. Many thanks for sorting out the approval of the Rachel Sermanni article. I did realise that I could have just created the article (and was sorely tempted when the second submission got knocked back). However, as the article had been previously submitted by a new user (and rejected), I thought it more appropriate to continue through the Articles for Creation process, if only to give that user a bit of encouragement (not sure whether that worked, but hey!). I also thought it made sense to get a second opinion, in view of the earlier rejection. Not sure I would bother in future, though! Many thanks again. Skinsmoke (talk) 05:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, Sage! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

declined article, advice required and evidence to show why I feel article should be published, please help
I am becoming very frustrated and disillushioned in my attempts to write an article about Aylestonians RFC. I have attempted to be impartial, unbiased and accurate but have been rejected twice. I find this unfair as there is a few rugby clubs within Leicestershire that have wikipedia pages so that their history is logged for the wide community to see and find. I see that this club would fit into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:English_rugby_union_team_stubs or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:English_rugby_union_teams easily. The other teams listed on wikipedia and therefore showing that there has been other clubs articles accepted are, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Lions_RFC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylestone_St_James_RFC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylestone_Athletic_Rugby_Union_Football_Club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughborough_RFC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughborough_Students_RUFC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syston_RFC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Leicester_RFC As well as this Aylestonians are mentioned in the Aylestone Athletic wikipedia page as well as the following 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Storm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlands_6_East_(S)

Also when looking at the above teams I see that they do not offer many (if any) references compared to those I have provided. I would appreciate some help to ensure that my entry does get published as it is felt that the clubs history needs to be documented in a similar way to those listed above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron1477 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The issue I'm having is that it does not seem to be part of a notable league, and that could make it an easy target for a deletion tag. Citations do not necessarily denote notability, and these ones aren't necessarily the best out there. If you could find news articles on it, I would be willing to reconsider. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I have edited to a large extent and included news item as well as accurately using the citations. I have included news articles but still get rejected. Aylestonians have competed in Midlands League level and been responsible for producing the player that was responsible for changing the laws of rugby union in regards to the offside law which is still present in todays game. Grass roots rugby is also extremely important to the development of rugby union as a whole. Without grass roots rugby like Aylestonians and many other clubs there would be no national teams, no Rugby World Cup and no RFU. Aaron O'Rourke (Aaron1477) 23:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaron1477 (talk • contribs)
 * That's an incredibly tough thing to use as notability, and I would have rejected it as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Studio V Architecture & Jay Valgora pages
Hi Kevin! I saw your note on the pages I created (Studio V Architecture & Jay Valgora), and the citation advice -- I thought putting as many references as I did would prove the substance of the architect I'm highlighting and his firm (and I thought they were very pertinent, third party sources), so could you please give me some pointers on how to refine these references so that my topic can *hopefully* be approved? Thank you so much! --Karen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen Zabarsky (talk • contribs) 03:06, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think those were more borderline articles, so if you want, go ahead and re-submit it, and see what another reviewer thinks. I'm going either way on this one, although I'm more erring to the side of it not being notable. Still, I would encourage you to submit it, and see what another reviewer thinks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kevin! I will try to resubmit. Just to clarify -- every source I referenced literally mentions either Studio V or Jay Valgora; perhaps I have misformatted them so this isn't clear?
 * Yeah, there's nothing that sticks out as being concerning. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Moon Mason
Hi, about the Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Moon_Mason. I have added the notability of Moon Mason back onto the page again. I had deleted it before because I thought I had already demonstrated notability to other editors. Philiashasspots (talk) 03:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have looked at the Korean Wiki, and he looks notable to me, although I'm going to purge some of the article first. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating the Moon Mason article. Every time it got knocked back I took it on the chin and improved it.  This was my first article and I've learned a lot.  I'm interested to know what you mean by "I have looked at the Korean Wiki"? Philiashasspots (talk) 22:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just wanted to see if it existed there. Apparently, "Moon Mason Morehead" might also be his real name. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:32, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I meant where is the "Korean Wiki"? If you include his fathers surname it includes Moorhouse, but mostly media use just Moon Mason.  I tried to explain in the article that his first name=Mason, and that he is known more by his mothers surname than his fathers surname, but it got too messy.  Add on top of that the western culture putting surnames last and Korean culture putting surnames first. Philiashasspots (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Right here. Ah, well as long as it is there, that's good enough. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:57, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

MIMS Ireland
Hi Kevin. Thanks for reviewing my article. Could you please help me to get it published? I feel a bit stuck now as to what I can do more. MIMS Ireland is really a reference for doctors in Ireland as attested by references 7, 8, 9 and 10. These are independent references, and from key regulatory Irish bodies (the Irish Medicines Board and the Irish Sports Council). In particular 7 and 8 highlight that MIMS Ireland can be used as a reference for the use of drugs in sport. I cannot find any references that are more relevant and central than these two Irish regulatory bodies. There might be guidelines published by the PSI (the Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland, which is the Pharmacy Regulator body in Ireland) available on the internet listing MIMS as one of the recommended texts for pharmacists, but it is a big document; would that still help to add them in? Or would you like me to make the article shorter or worded differently? Many thanks for your help and clarification.Mcmousseau (talk) 10:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there any way that you could find a newspaper link, or something to that standing? I think that is probably what the issue was with the other declines, although I really cannot recall what was the issue with the links last month, for me. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Edda Magnason
Hi! I'm trying to write a short article about Edda Magnason, a Swedish/Icelandic singer, songwriter, pianist and film actress. Everything written about her in major newspapers so far is in Swedish. Only blog entries about her are in English. Is it OK if almost all references are in Swedish? Magnason is starring in a film due for release in Sweden in September. Jennyhsundberg (talk) 11:30, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll put in a few more newspaper articles. There will be much more in a couple of months when Magnason's next record is released and in September when the film is out.90.229.230.79 (talk) 21:27, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's alright, as long as there are references for her somewhere in her native language. I just Googled her, and discovered that there is a page on the Swedish Wikipedia, with sources, so I'll go ahead and create it right now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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GCS Recruitment Specialists Ltd
Hi there - you recently rejected the page I penned regarding GCS on the grounds of lack of notability and strength of references. I must question this as the following references

Realbusiness.co.uk The Business Magazine Online Recruitment Recruitment International The HR Director The Global Recruiter The Recruiter

Are all major outlets of news within the recruitment industry

The following references are major business supervisory/advisory groups within UK industry

Thames Valley Chamber of Commerce Group APSCo Institute of Directors

And Emerald Publishing produces an academic journal for the HR industry

So I didn't understand how these *wouldn't* be considered reliable secondary sources.

Regarding notability, I would argue that a company that is a market leader in a specific major business hub of a country, combined with the founder winning one of the most prestigious business awards AND the other Director being named the President of the Chamber of Commerce for the aforementioned major business hub - I would argue this would represent a notable business, not to mention the other things mentioned in the article originally submitted. I also note that SThree and Brook Street have Wikipedia pages.

Would appreciate either reconsideration given the above! Would the article better suit the purpose if I was to *remove* some of the detail that I felt was interesting history that people might wish to know and just stick to a bare bones facts approach?

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Followthestarr (talk • contribs) 17:20, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, that may be the case, but third-party references in terms of news articles and whatnot would help. My father owns a small business and every so often he appears in news articles for both the local chamber of commerce and other publications. Does that make him and his business notable? Of course not, but that does not mean that if the local news media started covering him for various actions that he wouldn't gain notability. In this case, if they are indeed notable, there should be independent publications out there on the business. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't follow your reasoning - those links ARE to news articles by third parties, all of them independent of the company itself. I fail to see what else you would want to cover this point? I'm not quite sure about the comparison to your father's small business too... GCS is a £32m/$50m turnover business. Not the same thing, surely?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Followthestarr (talk • contribs) 23:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, but what I'm saying is that notability is not necessarily linked to income and business publications. If you want to submit it again, you are welcome to do so. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Russell Peck Article
Hello Ktr101!

I received your input regarding the article on American composer, Russell Peck. I have some questions.

I composed this submission because in reading other wikipedia articles where Russell Peck was mentioned, I noted that he himself did not have a wikipedia entry. I was surprised to find that Russell Peck didn't have an entry considering his notable body of work, his associations with famous orchestras around the world including London Symphony Orchestra with which he recorded, James Houlik, Doc Severinson, etc. and the thousands of performances of his symphonic, chamber and band pieces.

I would like to know where notability has not been proven in my article. Looking over the material, I can't see that there is a problem with the inclusion of Russell Peck. Peck is fairly big-time player on the symphonic circuit. His Thrill of the Orchestra has been performed and repeated by countless major American and foreign orchestras (Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Montreal, Royal Philharmonic, etc.) and more than 100 regional and other orchestras across the United States. It has been translated into German, French, Spanish - performed in Cantonese, Korean, Japanese, Hebrew, etc. It is a well-known piece in the educational orchestral world.

Peck has had thousands of performances - worldwide. In 2000, Russell Peck had the largest commissioning consortium to date in music history—39 orchestras - it is backed by a link to the NewMusicBox website in my article. He has a CD recorded by the London Symphony Orchestra (as noted in my article). He was the recipient of many awards, fellowships, and numerous commissions over his composing lifetime.

I have fulfilled the requirements as notated in the wikipedia article on proving notability for composers. Please look over my article and give me specific information needed to get this launched.

Sincerely,

Swreford — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swreford (talk • contribs) 02:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just researched a bit more and he is notable, but could you add some news articles in addition to what is currently there? This is because there should be some articles on him, so I would like to see that first. If you could do that, let me know, and I will re-review it immediately. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello Ktr101 again!

Thank you for your insight regarding what is needed in my article. I have added numerous articles (one dating back to 1967 when Russell Peck compositions were first being performed when he was a University of Michigan doctoral student). I have attempted to hyperlink articles frequently for easy reader reference. I appreciate your re-review of my article for consideration! Thanks again.

SwrefordSwreford (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll look at it now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:21, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello Ktr101,

Did you get a chance to look over my article - I appreciate your time and effort to help me!

Thank you,

SwrefordSwreford (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, so right now, there are an obscene amount of external links (optimally, there should be five), and I would assume that all of them could be moved to the reference section, so you could do that. Also, the symphonic works part is very detailed, so you could probably trim it down a bit so that it is less technical-sounding ("There is powerful action, too, with jazz and rock influences, leading to an explosive ending. Duration: 22', (2000), 3(3rd db. picc.)/2+E.h./2+b.cl./2+cbn. 4/3/3/1 2 perc. piano strings solo timpani," for example, is biased and makes no sense to people without a good understanding of music). Other than that, everything looks good, although I would discourage you from linking within the text to external sites. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay! I have addressed all of the above issues. I trimmed links, and moved all to the ref section. I removed all instrumentation information, and cut any wording that could be construed as biased. I deleted all linking of external sites within the text. Wow - I think covered all the bases - this was more work than anticipated! Thanks again for helping me with this article, and thanks for reviewing it again! swrefordSwreford (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Could you please re-review the Russell Peck article? I have made the corrections you suggested. Thank you!!Swreford (talk) 13:41, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm actually on a bit of a mini-vacation from the backlog drive, but I would encourage you to submit it and see what others think. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

DaVinci SDK
Hello. Thank you for reviewing my article. You mentioned that it did not have enough reliable sources -- was this because some of the sources were in Korean? I noticed on Wikipedia's guidelines that we were allowed to site non-English sources (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NONENG#Non-English_sources) Would you have any advice as to what I can do about this? Thanks in advanced.
 * Not necessarily, but I noticed there were very few sources that directly addressed the software, excluding the company's website. If you could find more like this, I would be more than willing to re-review it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help! I have added a few more third party resources to the article. Thanks again for your time.

Dennis Ayling
Dear Ktr101,

Could you please offer me some guidance with my first submission, which you've rejected due to lack of reliable sources. The article relates to my father Dennis Ayling. I feel he is notable and worthy of inclusion as he won an Oscar for visual effects in 1980 for the movie 'Alien'. I further felt an article was justified as he is referenced on this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Visual_Effects#Visual_Effects and again on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28film%29#Special_effects_and_creature_design (end of first para). Unfortunately, no biography of him has ever been written in print or online for me to link to as a reliable source, although he has an IMDb page which backs up most of what I am saying: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0043861/, there is proof that he was a member of the BSC: http://www.bscine.com/members/?uid=373, a colleague of his (Dennis Lowe, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0522806/) set up this tribute page to him, further backing up what I am saying: http://www.zen171398.zen.co.uk/Alien%20%28page4%29.html, and he's frequently referred to on the net. I have personal documents I can cite to back up what I am saying, but little else. I see that a colleague of Dad's, Alex Thomson, has an article on Wikipedia, but I can't see any references that back that page up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Thomson_%28cinematographer%29. Any help you can give on this issue would be grateful received.

Also, I don't feel that this sentence ('Scott also had disagreements with lighting technician Denny Ayling over how to light the models.') on the Alien page is accurate. If you listen to the interview with Ridley Scott given as the source for this sentence he merely says that Dad suggested that he shoot cover shots with more fill light as a back up - I don't think the claim that they had disagreements is at all accurate, nor is the description 'lighting technician' suitable for a cinematographer. I requested this sentence be deleted and that has been overridden too.

Many thanks in advance for your help,

Tim Ayling (talk) 08:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Tim! First of all, I would go ahead and modify the sentence, then cite the interview. In terms of the citation issues, you can use offline references, but I would be interested in seeing what type of references you have before you add them (i.e., tax returns and whatnot are not as good as news clippings. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey Kevin! Thank you for your reply. With regard to the sentence in the 'Alien' article, I think the only issue with modifying the sentence to make it factually accurate is that it will then make it redundant. I'm inclined to leave it, even though I don't agree with it, and just adjust 'lighting technician' to 'cinematographer'. I think the sentence shows interpretative bias, as the thrust of the paragraph that it's in seems to be to push the idea that Ridley Scott was in conflict with his crew, whereas I believe these are the kinds of discussions that a director has with his crew when undertaking a creative endeavour such as making a movie. For the article on Dad, I am assuming that my first paragraph doesn't require any citations and that it's the second paragraph that has issues? With the first sentence all I can offer is that I have Dad's references from all the film commercial production companies he worked for from 1937 until the late 50s, and then after that I think IMDb fills in, by implication, the period of the 1960s and 1970s. I may be able find some evidence online of his commercials work up until the late 1980s too. With regard to his time in the RAF during WW2 I have his service and release book, which refers to his press photography and film work, and his complete service record which details every squadron he was in and where he was posted and the nature of their work (photographic reconnaissance). As far as the Japanese surrender is concerned I have the photographs in question. I don't know if you find this sufficient, and if so how I should cite it? Also, can you help me to understand why Dennis Lowe's website which gives a potted history of Dad's career with photographic evidence is not a reliable source? Many thanks for your help! Tim Ayling (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

p.s. I was interviewed for a documentary about 'Alien' where I discussed Dad's career and work on the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2409600/ and http://www.zen171398.zen.co.uk/Alien.html. Can I cite myself?

Tim Ayling (talk) 13:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh wow...the service and release books are amazing! In terms of that, you easily use those, since they are official government sources. I wouldn't cite the photos even though they are a good idea, since there many reasons not to. Other than that, I would encourage you to resubmit it again, and I wish you the best of luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Have just had the article rejected again Kevin, so I give up. I am making very small claims about a known notable figure. This has totally eroded any confidence I had in Wikipedia and I certainly wouldn't ever respond to one of your founder's requests for a donation.

Tim Ayling (talk) 06:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and created it. I was a little more than a bit out of it this weekend, so I completely didn't see the obvious part in front of me, and decided to check the rest of that out. The photo of him holding an Oscar is as good as anything that he is notable, and I apologize for any inconvenience that you may have been caused. Best of luck, and I look forward to seeing you around! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Kevin, I appreciate that very much. As I said earlier, what I found so difficult was that I was saying so very little in the article and I was just trying to round out the information already on Wikipedia (where he is referred to already) and be of some help to you. All the best and thanks again!

Tim Ayling (talk) 08:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The new page is superb - many thanks again Kevin!

Tim Ayling (talk) 09:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Susan Branch
Could you please comment at WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk, as you were the most recent editor to decline the submission? Cheers. -- Ritchie333 (talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F;">(cont)   11:13, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Done! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Sir, with good reason
Sir, according to you even if a group is featured on numerous television shows across America and has a hit show that pulls 7.87 million people with celebrity appearances and is airing worldwide, they are not established and notably recognized? Wiki states that you have to have itleast one source. I have four. I watched this band on FOX television and followed them for over a year watching them on nationwide television tours. I've included the references including their television performances on Good Day L.A., FOX 'Mobbed', and recent television performance from around America. I've been working with Wiki Chat and the people who helped me also agreed that I had enough references. You however seem to think otherwise. Here is the link and the band you said is not good enough for a Wiki page. I don't understand. So the Huffington Post, Good Day L.A., Newspaper clips from Idaho and links to the official 'Mobbed' wiki isn't good enough? Here is what the rules are A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, instrumentalist, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria: Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following: Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar)". I have more than one. I have four. Here's the link to the page I'm working on and that has all the sources that you claim don't meet the criteria.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/NO_(Band)

Ashakian submission was declined
My submission was declined because of 'unverifiable sources'. I have sted 3 sources for this article so don't understand what the issue is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ashakian/Oracle_Cloud_File_System_(ACFS_and_ADVM)#Request_review_at_WP:AFC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashakian (talk • contribs) 19:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It needs sources independent of the subject itself. In this case, a news article or two is better than what is there, although part of me also doesn't think that it is notable as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Looking to work with you on this.
Hello Kevin, I'm hoping we will be able to work out some sort of compromise here with regards to your deeming the article I submitted as "unnotable". This is a very subjective determination IMHO, so I have much disagreement with your "quick" determination. Not wanting to throw stones, but a quick view of your user page and apparently "notable" wikipedia pages you have linked too... are very "unnotable" to say the least, and significant quantities of their references are right back to their webpage. Open for suggestions here.... Borealdreams (talk) 22:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The article has many issues wrong with it. This source doesn't exist (although the Internet Archive may be able to help you on that). There's also "LEC currently provides consulting, engineering and installations services to customers world-wide in the arena of lightning protection systems, primarily its DAS, as well as advancing the scientific understanding of cloud-to-ground lightning.", which isn't even talked about in the source that follows it. Everything after source six doesn't even mention the company, and is a borderline ramble on something else. In terms of where it could be used, I think the text below the section, "Strike protection and generalized standards," could be used in an article called Lightning Protection System and other locations. Other than that, the company is not notable, and finally, I would really appreciate it if you did not attack me with baseless accusations. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to attack you, but it is clear you do not know what you are talking about i.e., you have no experience in this field and therefore have no business determining notability on this topic. Your descriptive use of the term "rambling" to describe something you do not know anything about is ironic... given the rambling nature this wiki page, which you edit,  Mobilize.org & their history rambles on about notable things " This day is now known in UC Berkeley history as Cal Lobby Day."  This is very notable?  This is "history"?  How many people remember this, or mark it on their calendars?  Or this... "is a national network connecting thousands of Millennials".... which just links to Generation Y to give it some appearance of significance.  Air Jordans links together millions of people who grew up in the 80s, yet they don't try to use as a claim to significance or notability.   Oh and thanks for the suggestion of Lightning Protection System... but again you don't know, once it existed, but then it was just redirected to Lightning Rods for arguments as weak as the one you are claiming now.  Borealdreams (talk) 00:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Movie decline
hell thax for the review but i want to know why my page was declined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Feliperodriguiz9999 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A lot of the page is built on speculation, and it is almost a crystal ball, in the amount of information there. I would wait a bit until more information comes out, and then submit it again. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:00, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Get familiarized with WP:GEOLAND
Regarding Knox Mountain Park, its notability is covered by WP:GEOLAND. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * To me, it is loosely covered, but I see your point. Thanks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Billpay
I have been trying to submit an article to wikipedia for a while now and every time I submit it there seems to be a problem preventing it from being accepted. Every problem seems to change depending on the submission. This time you reviewed my article and declined it based on the following: "This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject." Obviously, I don't get what exactly is wrong with the article. It is a notable subject with reliable sources. I have attempted to edit the article again, but before I submit it for the 5 time could you please give me a little more specific guidance. Thank you. Here is the link to editing the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SpikeDzu/Billpay_GmbH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.153.177.28 (talk) 16:02, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically, it is not notable for Wikipedia's standards. This is because the article does not state how the company is notable, other than talking about the basics of the article. Additionally, three editors have said that it is not notable, so three different editor's have deemed the company not notable, so it is very unlikely that a fourth editor is going to accept the article now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

democratized transactional giving
Hi, Kevin, I see you approved my article with the above title. It has some issues to fix, but I'm having some trouble figuring out exactly how to fix them as I am a Wikipedia rookie. Can you school me a little here? For example, it says one of my references has been erroneously used but doesn't specify which one. Also, it says my article is an orphan but it isn't; I have linked to several other articles. So I'm not sure what's going on there. This is my first Wiki article so I am confused. Any direction would be greatly appreciated. Gracias! Laurenzia (talk) 16:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC) I would ask User:Ahnoneemoos about the citation issue, but the orphan tag means that nothing is linking to the article, so no one is going to see the page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

My submission denied. Link in the message
Here is the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Oracle_Cloud_File_System

I need to understand exactly what the object is so that I can fix it. I have provided 4 reliable sources and you have turned it down. Why?

Is there a way for us to talk or chat online? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashakian (talk • contribs) 18:12, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Kevin, References 2,3 and 4 are independent sources. Why are those not credible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Oracle_Cloud_File_System — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashakian (talk • contribs) 18:18, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad, and I'll go create it now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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New submission - Index of Kentucky women in civil rights era
Oh dear - I have no idea how I duplicated the cut/paste to the Wiki text box - Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Index of Kentucky Women in the Civil Rights Era. Thank you. I've removed the 2nd one (they're the same). Randolph.hollingsworth (talk) 03:56, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

NetGain Technologies
Article in question: Wikipedia talk: Articles for creation/NetGainTechnologies

Hi Kevin,

You recently reviewed and turned down my article about NetGain Technologies. As advised by the editor, I have read this page and tried to look at examples of other pages you have approved and denied to give my article the best chance possible.

I work for NetGain Technologies in their marketing department, so I recognize that I have a natural bias. But I was a journalism major in college, so I've tried to use those skills to write as neutrally as possible.

The issues claimed for denial are that the company is not notable enough and that there are not enough external references. I have included 18 citations, most of which are from third party, independent sources (i.e.: newspapers, media websites, etc.).

I recognize that, overall, our company is not huge, nor are we widely known. But within our region and within our industry we are a huge player and rapidly growing. We are the oldest and top managed services provider in Lexington and as sources like CRN Emily.cedargren (talk) 15:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)(computer reseller network - a shoptalk news source) has recognized, we are growing aggressively through acquisitions and making big news that is gaining coverage regularly.

I posted on the AFC Submission help page to get general advice and Richie333 said he was also curious about your rationale. He mentioned as well that a lot of the coverage we have is simply fact reporting about the things we have done (i.e.: a recent acquisition), but isn't that exactly what makes a company notable? That when they do things, the media takes notice and publishes something about it?

Could you please provide more specific reasoning as to why my article has been declined? I suppose I can put in more citations, but I'm wondering if that would make a difference... If it would make a difference, how many more citations would I need? 10? 20? Is there anything else I could/should do?

Thanks for the help - I appreciate it

Emily.cedargren (talk) 15:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's approved. I generally am reserved on approving submissions, so I guess I was a bit too harsh on this one. Sorry about that! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Singer help
I am new to Wikipedia and created this page for Terrell and it was declined because he isn't a "notable musician." Can you tell me how I can edit the page so that he IS considered "notable?" He has appeared on albums with other big-name performers and this should be sufficient enough to be considered notable. Can you tell me what you're looking for?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynetterowland (talk • contribs) 19:27, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So, my concern is that he is not a notable person, even though he has been associated with many acts with notability. If you want, I would encourage you to resubmit it again, and see what others think. Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Pharmacy Practice Research - Charlotte Coates
Hi Kevin,

Thanks for reviewing my page on Pharmacy Practice Research. I'd really appreciate some advice and guidance on making the sources more reliable. I wondering if the problem is the references at the end of the article - is it the fact they don't link to an article that directly backs up the claim made? The publications listed support the claims I guess only if you read the whole paper then draw your own conclusion I that understand isn't good enough.

I'm the Research Manager of a charity called Pharmacy Research UK - www.pharmacyresearchuk.org and am trying to get this page up because there isn't really much information available on the web about this discipline. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Pharmacy_Practice_Research — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlottemcoates (talk • contribs) 17:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Best wishes,

Charlotte — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlottemcoates (talk • contribs) 16:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Are there any journals that could back this up, or any other offline sources? I'm still a bit skeptical, so I would like to know first before I take a second look. Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kevin,Thanks for your response. I'm not 100% sure what you're skeptical about - is it the research discipline or sources? If its the discipline please see here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/(ISSN)2042-7174 This is a major journal on the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlottemcoates (talk • contribs) 16:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That is more of a primary source, but it also revolves around the idea exclusively, so what is needed is a news article or something independent of the subject. You're on the right track though, so keep up the good work. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kevin - I have added more external references from independent sources. Could you take a look and let me know your thoughts?

Cheers,

Charlotte — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlottemcoates (talk • contribs) 17:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I reviewed it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

McGill University Academic Dress
Kevin, how do I make some of the images (which are vital to the article's subject matter) larger in size? Thanks.Waov12 (talk) 19:25, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought I replied to this earlier, but I wouldn't suggest doing it since they are right now set to be whatever size a user permits thumbnails to be. However, if you want to change "thumb" to something, you would need to put in "XXXpx," with "X" being a number. Regardless, I wouldn't go any higher than 300, since it would risk making the page harder to read for those with small screens. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Decline of Chris Faraone
Hi Kevin, I've just been chatting on IRC with Dave about his AfC at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chris Faraone. I must admit to being puzzled at why you feel the subject is not notable, as he is well-covered in at least four reliable sources: The Economist, Boston Herald, Boston Globe, and Columbia Journalism Review.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain how this fails to meet WP:GNG: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." --RexxS (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll let another person look at it, as I will trust their judgement, since I'm still a bit conflicted over all of this. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fine, Kevin, and thank you. I understand that the best source (The Economist) only reviewed Faraone's book, but the local sources were very much concentrated on him. I'd have thought it would have at least a 50% chance of surviving an AfD, which seems to me to be a decent rule-of-thumb for accepting the AfC. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Drive Cloner
Dear Sir,

I thank you for your troubles in perusing my humble wiki on the Drive Cloner software. But I was dismayed to learn that you have thought it appropriate to deny the world this useful info. But I want to work with you and, in the furtherance of that effort, would appreciate some specific guidelines on what particular aspects of the page you would flag as "requiring sources." It seems to me that the various claims I made were either fully supported by the citations given or were basic aspects of the software that those who have had the great enjoyment of using would not have wondered at. So I would be greatfully in your debt if you could post haste point out these questionable claims that you feel require further support and would render this inestimablly useful page worthy to made whole and could thus be shared with the world. I eagerly await further correspondance and feel strongly that you ought not to spare a minute in approving, sir, as there are unfortunate souls out there dolefully relying on inferior products! Thank you for understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kpawa (talk • contribs) 00:02, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have any news sources, or things of that level? I guess I am looking more for that, since it is easy to establish a view of notablilty if your product is plastered everywhere, when that might not be the case (I'm not saying that is happening here, but I'm trying to make a point). Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Wise
hi Kevin. Thanks for your feedback on []

I've added verifiable references that establish notability according to the guidelines for academics. Perhaps it would have been easier to just translate the German wikipedia entry at Daniel Wise in German... I hope you can take another look and find the page acceptable, but otherwise, I welcome your further advice. Thanks Alreadyentered123 (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The issue I have here is that I really see why he is notable. In a way, I like to compare AfC to a sales pitch, and I'm not being convinced here, but I would love if you could tell me if he was groundbreaking in the field, or something at that level. Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The notability criterion for academics states:

Academics/professors meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable. Academics/professors meeting none of these conditions may still be notable if they meet the conditions of WP:BIO or other notability criteria, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is verifiable. Before applying these criteria, see the General Notes section, which follows.

1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.

2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level.

3. ....

BOTH the 1st and 2nd criteria have been met and documented in the most recent version of the article. The 2nd critrerion is now easy to confirm - just click on the links to the Veblen prize.

Thanks for reviewing this and your huge efforts for wikipedia  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alreadyentered123 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I missed the award mention, so I'll fix that now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Dennis Ayling
Greetings, Ktr101, you moved that article? --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:09, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. Look up on my page and see the discussion that I had with the user. The fact that they threatened to not give us money had nothing to do with it, but really spurred me to take another look. There is also this image on the IMDB website, where he is third from the left and holding an Academy Award. There is nothing on him on the internet (although I really wouldn't expect there to be), and the fact that he won an award makes him notable. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * So basically, I just threw caution to the wind and said screw it, he's notable. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * (whoops, I clicked on save and moved to another tab, I did not notice the edit conflict) Yes, there is nothing in Oscars website too. If we get the name of the film for which he won Oscar, we can fins some citation! --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Guys, if I may intercede, my father is referred to on the Oscar's website here and on your own page here and here (last sentence, second paragraph). Hoping this won't weaken my case, he's actually 2nd from right in the photo on IMDb, as they have with the exception of Farrah Fawcett alphabetised the links. You can also see a write-up on him on this website and there is a section on him in the documentary Alien Makers 2. Further to this if you Google 'Dennis Ayling Alien' it will throw up lots of photos of him on set.

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Hooch maid
How about a more redneck ghetto hook? <font color="#259900">Rcej (Robert) – <font color="#259900">talk  12:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've replied there with my opinion. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Martina Mercer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Martina_Mercer

Not sure why this article should keep being declined. Martina Mercer is a published UK author. She's the subject of an article in the Daily Mail and she is discussed at length in a local newspaper, whilst her publications are evident at all major book stores including Waterstone's and Barnes & Noble. Supporting links were provided in the references for all of these.

The Wikipedia guidelines for notability state:

" For Wikipedia:Notability (people), the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" – that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded"[1] within Wikipedia as a written account of that person's life. "Notable" in the sense of being "famous" or "popular" – although not irrelevant – is secondary."

As a published UK author Martina Mercer is worthy of note, and the fact that she has been noted by a number of independent media sources is surely proof of this. Readers of her books want to be able to read about the author of the book they've purchased - so please approve this entry and give the readers, publishers, book vendors and the wider public the service they deserve,

thanks,

Sam Conway
 * Notation and publishing does not mean one is notable. Additionally, that is a poor way of arguing why she is needed, and I fail to see why she is notable, just as I did when I reviewed it the other day. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Please help me :(
I have spoken with a few Wikipedia monitors and I can still not get my page live due to the sources I use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Pelco One monitor listed specific references that were acceptable for my content, I reviewed them and they validate the content of my article. I read through the new contributors guide, the golden rule, and reliable source guide and I'm frankly at a loss for what exactly it is I need to do to get my article live. Please provide as many suggestions as you can so I can properly do this, I'm not intentionally re-submitting just for the hell of it. I can't tell if some of the sources I have listed are being red flagged or if I don't have enough valid sources, or perhaps even what section of my article is not supported by the sources I have as citations. Please provide direction. Thank you! -- Aruegger (talk)

Message left by Riley per the user was using a category to ask for help. Diff: (text copied directly from category) '''<span title="Shoot!" style="font-family: Mono; Cursor: crosshair;">-- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Riley_Huntley/You_missed! Cheers, ] Ri l ey   ''' 20:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, on second look, I missed a lot, so I'll go ahead and create it now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Notability and source reliability
I am writing because the article for Jimena Canales has a about 10 articles of reliable sources that are completely independent. It also meets the golden rule and notability criterion for academics-especially about national and international awards and presence in non-academic forums. What to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.177.227 (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Those references don't show any notability, and she has won some minor awards, and that does not establish notability on this site. What we are looking for are sources that say she is notable, and what is there says nothing. Note, two other editors also said that they did not find her notable, and I am the third person to say this, so I am not the first one to not believe in her notability. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Black Action Movement
Hello! Your submission of Black Action Movement at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 04:27, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see any sign that you were notified at the time, so I'm posting this now. Please stop by as soon as you can; it would help if you kept this on your watchlist going forward. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:27, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw that last one, but I really have no idea what people want to do there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:33, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Reduction (not by you) of a page you helped me with down to a single sentence
Can you have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Corsini

I put many hours into this page, sourced it extremely well, and eventually it was approved, I believe by you. Now, someone has gone in and reduced it to almost nothing. Can you help me restore it to its previous form? I didn't save the previous submission. I can't understand why this happened when I used many academic and peer-reviewed sources that were approved by yourself and others.

Furthermore, the changes made are completely inaccurate and misleading. Raymond Corsini did publish an encyclopedia, but that in no way makes in an "encyclopedist". He was an Adlerian Psychologist. This is clear from all references. Yes, he published a dictionary too, but that does not mean that he should be characterized as a lexicographer. Please help.

Rory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rorynisan (talk • contribs) 17:49, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically, the article was cleaned so that there would be no unsubstantiated claims within the article. If you can find sources for these claims, you can add back in the material, which has been saved in the article's history. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Any valid references in my article?
Hi, I've submitted an article that you denied due to invalid referencing. Are any of the references in my article valid? If so, my plan is to resubmit the article using only the references you deem valid. Thanks! Here is the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/XPIENT_Solutions_LLC — Preceding unsigned comment added by September2000 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Right now, they all seem to be press releases, so if you could find articles that talk about its notability independently (i.e. news articles), those would be considered reliable. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

The Epinal
Hi,

I have worked on some reputable sources for The Epinal. Would you be able to me know what you think. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timsmith2408 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It has at least two (references 3 and 4), but you shouldn't be citing Wikipedia and could probably add another one just for a safe bet. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

There are no Wikipedia references there now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/The_Epinal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timsmith2408 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Reviewed! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Suggestions for improvement
You recently rejected the Concord Consortium submission. Some specific examples of places where language and references are not acceptable would be helpful. The article contains a number of outside references to articles in reputable publication that support the content. The Concord Consortium does similar work to SRI International, whose wikipedia page we attempted to use as a model. Before submitting the Concord Consortium page, I did ask two other wikipedia online helpers to review the content, and they believed it was acceptable. I will review the language, as you suggested, for tone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeamcdavid (talk • contribs) 14:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I would suggest having a person independent of the company look over and neutralize the text, but otherwise, it is definitely notable. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement on UCC/SAN article
You recently rejected the UCC Certificate. I changed citation to another source that gives more in depth explanation and presents and less biased view. Please review and let me know if there are any more improvements you can suggest. Buttysquirrel (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Right now, the issue is that they don't show inherent notability, since what it needs are a few sources that say that it is notable, instead of talking about it in general. Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'm a bit confused about the notability concept. SAN/UC certificates are pervasive and a different kind of ssl certificate, just like Wildcard certificate is a unique and commonly used ssl certificate type. A simple google search for UCC ssl will show quite a few results. Are you suggesting that I cite more of these results to make this notable? Buttysquirrel (talk) 01:01, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added a source from Symantec, please review and let me know if this meets the requirement for notability. Buttysquirrel (talk) 20:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a start, but I would suggest adding sources found here, since they will help establish notability and make the article stronger. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Wikipedia:Exposome


A tag has been placed on Wikipedia:Exposome requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer. Please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:27, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

JBLM/Fort Lewis
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Your tagging of John Lemoyne
Well you should give the courtise of asking someone before just tagging. I just starting the article like 10 minutes ago. So I will remove the tag. but thanks. TucsonDavid U . S .<font color="Blue">A . 19:13, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I figured that was the case, but the issue was you started it with nothing saying who he was (although if you are writing what I think you are writing, you shouldn't have a problem). Sorry about that! Kevin Rutherford (talk)`
 * No problem and hey I'm sorry if I came off as rude. I didn't mean for it to sound that way. Also any help you could lend on the article would be great. TucsonDavid U . S .<font color="Blue">A . 14:48, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's no problem as we all make mistakes like that once in a while. I'll go ahead now and see what I can do, but it's good to see you wrote what I was thinking about, so I can at least help out there with some foreknowledge. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:54, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Concerning Elias Ghoussoub's page
Hello Mr. Rutherford. Definitely I have contested your VERY speedy deletion before I have even mentioend my references. However, I'm wondering what should I mention in the article to make it even "MORE" important to be considered for an encyclopedia. if you have read the article, as Elias Ghoussoub's manager, I have presented to the stand-up comedy fans a Lebanese Doctor and stand up comedian. I consider its presence in the encyclopedia as important as the presence of any other brillant stand-up comedian in any other country, knowing that he is at the same level of Nemr Bou Nassar (who obviously has a wiki page), but at a local level : LEBANON. I have so far supposed that this encyclopedia fairly represents celebrities from all over the world, I wish that you naturally review the references and reconsider yourself your deletion tag. With all due respect, Thank you. Rita KHOURY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Titakhoury (talk • contribs) 20:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Man On The Bottom (2013)
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Infobox Military Structure
Gavbadger (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Good Evening


 * I am creating the poll currently, do you mind if i copy this "Currently, the infobox's name restricts it from showing that it encompasses larger installations, like forts (in the modern American sense) and other large things. "Structure" implies that it is a small building or an older fort. I am proposing this move because it would show that it encompasses larger structures, and will allow for the possible merger of other infoboxes in the future, as well as allow for greater flexibility down the road." which you wrote in the first paragraph? I will of course write that i copied your comment.


 * Thank You. Gavbadger (talk) 00:10, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Go for it! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:02, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

CCI update
You can rest easy now, the copyright investigation is finally done. Not much in the way of major violations thankfully, it was one of the easier ones I've done actually. -- Wizardman 04:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, thank you so much for your work. I'm almost done with BarnstarBob's one, and I should be able to finish his up in the coming days. My one fear is that I'm either trusting him too much, or everything huge has been taken down. Regardless, I plan on helping more in the future, as this is oddly fun to do. Thanks again, and I will see you around! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Switch (short film)
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Speedy deletion declined: Instrumental Variations
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Speedy deletion declined: Instrumental Variations
Hello Ktr101. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Instrumental Variations, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to records. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion requests
Please review WP:Criteria for speedy deletion. First, movies and records are not eligible for speedy deletion under A7 (no importance or significance). Second, if an administrator declines a speedy deletion, do not restore the speedy deletion tag. Try WP:PROD or WP:AfD. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:37, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've responded on your talk page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Gene Campaign
Alright KTR, sorry to break it to you, but you wuz wrong. This club seems to be pretty notable per news coverage in Indian newspapers: search for the organization in combination with the name of the founder. Next up: improve the article, bring it up to DYK status. India is a huge country, with a huge agricultural industry and great scientific aspirations--there probably is a lot more one can find. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's it, I give up for the night. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:43, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't see the list above until just now. Have a drink, Kevin, or watch SNL, and drop me a line if I can help. Drmies (talk) 03:45, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Wanna know something funny? Look at the talk page of the author of that page, at the first message there. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that when I left the message when I warning them for removing the speedy tag. I'm going to do the middle one since we're

all snowed in and there's not much to do here. Seriously, I need to get more of a life, but this blizzard killed those plans for the weekend. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, you can always help clean up Lexicon (company) with the help of this and other articles... (I put in a bid on Ebay on that nice piece of vintage electronics.) Drmies (talk) 04:07, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Medical College of Georgia
The version of the article you approved was a copyvio from the university site; it was deleted by another administrator, and the editor under another name put in a copyvio from another part of the site, which I deleted just now. Besides being copyvio, both versions were so promotional that they'd have been deleted in any event. I will now rewrite a basic article myself, since I am interested in the subject.

The standard for approving articles at AfC at an absolute minimum is that they are able to pass speedy--all articles about an organization need at least to be checked against their web site.(But we normally ask more than that: they have to be sound enough that they are not likely to be deleted at prod or AfD either--the whole point of AfC is that when the article is put into mainspace, it will stand, and the editor will not be disappointed by getting their work deleted.) AfC patrol, like NPP, is our basic defense against promotionalism and copyvio and needs to be done very carefully. I've made mistakes in it also (I once even accepted a rather obvious copyvio) and I've learned by experience.

I see all the above comments. I certainly do not want to discourage you, but go slowly. and, as Drmies said, take breaks. When you work on something, and make sure you get it right and could meet all objections--think specifically about what the possible objections might be. When in doubt about copyvio, rewrite rather than take the chance that it's not too close to the original. When in doubt about speedy, use prod. When in doubt about afc, let someone else review it.  DGG ( talk ) 04:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, this is the first copyright violation I've been alerted to in the hundreds of articles that I accepted (and the thousands I've reviewed), so I guess I was due for this to occur by now. If you want, I'll help, since I'm always willing to help correct things like that that I have missed. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Loring Air Force Base
You "removed [the gallery] section, as this article won't pass a Good Article review with a gallery (i've tried it before, and it doesn't work), and we also have these in a category." Please explain -- why did you do that? There are pictures of the base that you have omitted from the article as a result. -- Jason Palpatine (talk) 05:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)  This User fails to understand Wikipedia's Systematized Logistical Projection of its Balanced Policy Contingency. (speak your mind | contributions)
 * Yes, and that is because there is an entire category on Wikimedia Commons that contains these images. I feel as though they are redundant since they can be used in a variety of other articles about the base, and I don't think that it is really needed there since they really are just engineering photos. If there was more variety in terms of planes doing things (and this is one of my biggest tasks right now, in that there is almost nothing on them), I might support keeping it. In terms of actual things that the policy says, here is a good reason not to used them as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 06:05, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Smuggling stolen (flickrwashed) images onto WikiCommons
People will do anything to smuggle stolen images onto Commons including creating a flickr account and uploading just a few images onto it just to license them freely and get them onto WikiCommons. (ie. flickrwashing) through the flickr review process. This is another classic example. And if the copyright owner finds out that Commons sanctions the use of his images--without his/her permission--Commons could get sued. When you see a flickr account with only 1-4 images which are conveniently licensed freely, an alarm should be ringing in your head. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

RfA: thank you for your support
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Hey. I was wondering if you could take a look at Contributor copyright investigations/Cretanforever. There are about 30 or so images remaining that I'm not sure of the copyright status of so, while I would just delreq them on commons, I'd like a second opinion. I ask you since you got the barnstarbob cci taken care of. Wizardman 03:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will look at it over the coming days. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/2nd Combat Weather Systems Squadron
Hi Kevin, Happy New Year !! FYI. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:11, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Amtrak's Ambassador?
What was the Ambassador? I don't know that one. Mackensen (talk) 23:43, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears to be part one of the route, which eventually went to Montreal. I think the details out there about it are less than the other routes, so I didn't create it at the time. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:53, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd heard of the B&M train, but not any Amtrak service. Montreal service was always the Monteraler/Washingtonian. I've located the original addition of the name from 2005 (by SPUI) which since got contextually mangled. I can't locate any sources. Any objection to restoring the old meaning and dropping mention of it as an Amtrak service? Mackensen (talk) 00:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Newton Corner
You missed a stop on the "A" Branch - Newton Corner was a major stop with dedicated platforms like Union and Oak Squares. I might have gone a little bit overboard. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Naw, that looks perfectly normal! Actually, that would make sense, as I was using a .kml from Google Earth, and I think it may have missed more than one of them. You might as well nominate it for "Did you know" and get some traffic to our most obscure of articles. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:46, 19 February 2013 (UTC)


 * That would be pretty neat. I've never gone through the DYK process before - mind acting as my guide? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * So, essentially what you do is go to here and create your nomination page in the box provided. Then, you want to create a short hook (under 200 characters) that will talk about the station (This assumes you don't want to go ahead and go overboard on the rest of the stations, and expand them that much, in which case you should stop and let me know, because this is a bit of work.). From there, you should create something that will draw attention to the hook. One good one might be incorporating how not only was the station an original station to one of the first commuter rail systems in the world, but it was also the most popular. After that, submit it, and it should be good. I will also help out on the nomination page, since I don't want to leave you hanging. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 06:09, 19 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, here goes nothing. If you can think of a better hook, I'd be grateful. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:20, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That works! It's not what I would have done, but it's your hook, and it making sense is all that matters! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wikipedian in Residence
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edit distribution plot
Hello, did you make the plot File:Top_Wikipedians_edit_distribution,_November_2012.svg? There is some discussion about it here. Seems like maybe the graph data is flipped left-to-right? Where is the raw data, I would volunteer to make a replacement plot, if you want. Or if you want to update it that's fine too. And if we're all wrong and in fact the plot is right, that would be good to know about as well! Cheers. Silas Ropac (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for 53d Test and Evaluation Group
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Weird sound files
A new editor, User:MBTA Sound Recordings, has been adding surreal recordings of the Red Line to a number of articles. The files are all public domain on Commons - no stop announcements which might be copyrighted are heard - but they add effectively nothing to the article. Heck, they could be taken on any subway train. My instinct is that they don't belong in the articles as they don't have any educational value; your thoughts? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:56, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, wow. It sounds like they are just being recorded within the train, and really nothing else. I would be supportive of removing them, but I would let them know this and encourage them to record elsewhere. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

28th Aero Squadron‎
Hi Kevin...

There was a reason I didn't just expand the 28th Bomb Squadron article because the expansive amount of information (and there is a LOT I did not write) about the 28th Aero Squadron, would just take up the entire article about the 28th Bomb Squadron.

I also have a significant amount of information about the 28th Bombardment Squadron in the Philippines during 1942, when it was caught there and largely destroyed on the ground when the Japanese bombed Clark Field, 8 December 1942 and it was caught on the ground. It was getting ready to attack the Japanese forces on Formosa, but it was never given the order to attack, and instead it was almost wiped out completely on the ground at Clark.. But that's another article for another day...

But anyway, I thought by making the 28th Aero Squadron as a separate article, it wound't "take over" the modern-day 28th Bomb Squadron article. What do you think ? Bwmoll3 (talk) 00:33, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not leaving a note on your talk page sooner, as I went to dinner and took a bit longer than expected. In terms of it being a long article, I don't think it is particularly long in its own right, since the bomb squadron one was on the low end of mid-sized to begin with. In terms of length, I think it isn't too long, and if it gets to that point when you add the Philippines information, it probably won't be extreme in that regard as well. I would really only worry once it started passing 60K, which it is very far from at the moment. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood, I think it's best this be discussed prior to the merge.  See below :)  Brent  Bwmoll3 (talk) 15:52, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The GreenScreen for Safer Chemicals
Hello again, We had previous discussions last October about establishing notability for creating an article for the GreenScreen. My newest attempt includes a citation from a policy regulation in Maine stating that the GreenScreen is the method of choice for finding safer alternatives. My question to you is whether this is sufficient to establish notability? I'm not sure what else would be more suitable to make the GreenScreen more notable than a State agency including the GreenScreen for Safer Chemicals in policy! The method is recognized, accepted, used, and recommended by many others as well. Amycaroline321 (talk) 15:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks good now. The link is broken, so I would suggest that you fix that if you can. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Mr Bean
Hi Ktr101, I've reverted your changes to Mr. Bean (Mr. Bean episode), I'm trying to split the List of Mr. Bean episodes article off into smaller articles. Unfortunately a bot is comparing this to an external source which has copied and pasted its info from this article and tagging my split as copyvio. I'm not entirely sure how to avoid this happening with the remaining episodes I intend to split. I guess I'm asking for help or advice if you can give it. But also I obviously needed to let you know why I put the information back. As far as I'm aware it's placement on Wikipedia is legitimate and not breach of someone else's copyright. Thanks. Peteb16 (talk) 22:29, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a tough call, as it seems like the bot is taking old edits that were the problem, and slapping you with the tag. I would definitely re-write the material, so that it isn't the problem, and you could even use it on the Mr. Bean article itself. Let me know if you need further help, and I will try to be of assistance! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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Don't understand the autopatroller right
You recently gave me the autopatroller right. Does this mean that up to that point all of my new stubs were being passed on? Is it possible to find out who patrolled them? Every single one of them is now up for an AfD. Is it appropriate to let the relevant patrollers who passed on the pages know so they can weigh in why they passed them? TMLutas (talk) 10:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Essentially, only one was considered patrolled, seeing as you actually stopped once the right was given to you. You were creating so many in such a short period of time that I decided to see if you could get the right in order to prevent making people scramble in order to review them. For the most part, I patrolled a lot of the ones you did yesterday, but I also would consider them notable. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for New York Central Tugboat 16
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DYK for Cape Cod Expressway
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AFC submission: Michael A. Potter review
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Template_talk:Spoken_Wikipedia
Hi there Kevin.
 * no sorry, unfortunately I don't know how to solve this problem: please consider placing a template on your talk page. Good luck!
 * <span style="border:2px solid green;background:black;padding:1px;color:green;text-shadow:green 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><font face="Papyrus">  M  aurice   <span style="border:2px solid green;background:black;padding:1px;color:green;text-shadow:green 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em"><font face="Papyrus"> C  arbonaro     19:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

speedies
a junior championship may or my not be notable, but it passes speedy as an indication of plausible importance. I have removed your A7 speedy tag on Sam Henderson Weightlifter According to WP:CSD, the criterion used, A7, is limited to: "An article about a real person, individual animal(s), an organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. " The policy further explains: "This is distinct from verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability." Speedy A7 has nothing to do with notability, and the guideline deliberately avoids using the term. Any good faith indication of importance is sufficient. As an example, if a person is the author of a non-self published book, it's an assertion of importance, though only the small minority of such authors are actually notable.

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Casino Royale (1967 film) edits
Hi - I've made a few edits to the Casino Royale (1967 film) page and all have been deleted instantly, within minutes. My edits are truthful and helpful, so why are they deleted, and why so quickly? I also made an edit to the Mata Hari page, and it vanished instantly as well. Is there any point in my trying to restore these? I've already tried 3 or 4 times. What gives? I thought Wikipedia was for all of us...? Thank you. Abbythecat (talk) 23:36, 13 March 2013 (UTC)AbbythecatAbbythecat (talk) 23:36, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've addressed the issue on the user's talk page. - Fantr (talk) 00:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Emails
You might want to change your password, since you just sent myself, Bsadowski1, and Ragesoss a computer virus. Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I got a hold of it about a half an hour ago, so all should be well now. Thanks for the notification, though! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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Marcio Moreira
Hi Kevin:

Thanks again for your previous review of my entry for Marcio Moreira. I edited and resubmitted the entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Marcio_Moreira) based on your notability concerns as well as comments from Teahouse participants regarding objective tone. I added references from Forbes, Time, USA Today and others. Upon re-reading my submission, I now realize why it was rejected despite Moreira's stature in the industry. He is, indeed, one of the best known people in global advertising. I have a file of news stories about 8 inches thick from press in dozens of countries. Trying to reduce it to a readable piece has been a challenge. I hope I have addressed your concerns.

BTW, I also have a PDF and photo of a personal letter sent to him by Secretary of State Colin Powell who, as the entry describes, recruited Moreira for help on a special communications program in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. The campaign was under the radar and was not promoted. But the letter may serve as a validating source.

I greatly appreciate your help. Also note that I had reached out to you on "Talk" several times via your link on your User Profile page. However, my posts were routed to an older Talk page of yours that I didn't realize existed. Folks on the Teahouse helped me find my way to your active Talk page.

All the best, Joe (intimeagain) Intimeagain (talk) 13:44, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Kevin, the link on your user page directs to your talk on the Simple Wikipedia, not this page. Go   Phightins  !  13:50, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have gone ahead and accepted it, as well as fixed the issue that was occurring on my user page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Removed as 'student' from course page
Hey! Just letting you know that I removed you from the 'History of the American West' student log, since you're already enrolled as a CA on that page. The many edits you make were clogging my course feed :); hope you don't mind! JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 18:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion Gabriela Di Laccio
Dear Kevin, Many thanks for your message regarding the deletion of the page for Gabriela Di Laccio

I couldn't find any links on the page for myself to question the deletion as per your suggestion.

Miss Di Laccio is an artist like many other singers already listed on Wikipedia so I do not understand why a page about her can not be created. Could you please help me to understand?

Many thanks in advance.

Alexander

Stephen Collis
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However the article was a complete copy of a web site article on the author so I was able to speedily delete it for copyright violation!

Thanks for your work, Stephen! Coming... 09:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Jay Ponteri
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BLP PROD declined
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 * Oh wow, I cannot believe that I even did that. Man, I was sure tired last night! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 13:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Infobox military installation/testcases
Good Morning

Can you have a look at Template:Infobox military installation/testcases and see if they is anything there you object to please?

Thanks. Gavbadger (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks good, although the first helicopter pad number in Testcase 3 should be centered more if possible. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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Move warring
In the future do not move war over a highly active page. Doing so shows very poor judgment on your end and a lack of understanding of how editors use Wikipedia. Viriditas (talk) 21:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I moved it because there were reliable reports, now proven wrong, that stated that there was a bomb across town at the JFK Library. As such, that does not show poor judgment at all because I was trying to include the whole city as well as include "2013" in the date. Before you chide me, please remember that we are all trying to make this encyclopedia better, and don't rush to judgment with experienced editors who really do know what they are doing. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Such move discussions belong on the talk page. When a highly active page is repeatedly moved, it leads to dead end pages, double redirects, and an inability of editors to edit.  For example, the page was linked to the top story on Google News, but the link became broken at one point due to the page moves and the caching.  In addition to having trouble reading the page, editors may have had also had trouble editing the page when the pointers were broken.  Highly active pages need to be stable for our readers.  Please remember this in the future. Viriditas (talk) 23:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, and maybe this brings up the point of having these things move-protected as soon as the coverage escalates in order to prevent issues like this from happening again. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User talk:Rackabello
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Boston Marathon bombings merge
I don't have a problem with it, but you should probably "complete" the merges by removing the templates and redirecting the pages (talk can be handled later I guess). But I expect you're going to get some pushback from the Boston Marathon bombings talk page, just a heads up. There's been a serious friction to adding anything that hasn't made a few laps around the evening news (and some that has), so be aware. Shadowjams (talk) 07:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That didn't take long. Shadowjams (talk) 07:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh good, I was about to just ask you to help, but I guess I don't have to any longer! Besides, listening to this chatter is more entertaining than writing at this point. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:18, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, on second thought, I'm going to default back to my original position, which is that you should wait... you have no idea the hornet's nest you're wading into with that talk page. Shadowjams (talk) 07:22, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I just left a note, so I guess I am fair game at this point. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:24, 19 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the pointless prod notice on my talkpage. Please feel free to waste your time some more.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 07:48, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I just explained to another user who removed it that I was trying to quickly get rid of a purported suspect's page when I misclicked and got that article instead. I thought it didn't go through, but I just realized that it did. Sorry about that! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 07:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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Midwest Photo Exchange
Hi Kevin,

I was wondering what I could do to make Midwest Photo Exchange's Wikipedia page more "notable." I thought that there were enough outside sources, and MPEX is a fairly large business in the camera industry, especially in the Midwest.

Thanks in advance for your help. --Mgoroff (talk) 15:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't make the page more notable, as the issue here is that the company is not notable. Until it gets notable coverage, it will not be accepted as a submission. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:18, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Brimley toronto
Hello Ktr101, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Brimley toronto, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. hmssolent \You rang? ship's log 06:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what one should we be using for that? I know there's A2, but I know it doesn't apply strictly to things like that, especially if they aren't duplicated elsewhere. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

not just my project
Yes, if you don't mind, I'd like to undo that so that we can work on it together there. If it's labled as "my" page people will think of it as "my" project and so not develop the cooperative spirit it would engender by leaving my personal name off of it. If you want to see the context, please see the NPOV discussion on the article's talk page and also follow what I'm about to do to the placeholder text tonight and hopefully you'll see what I mean. So again, yeah, I'm going to revert you thanks anyway hope you don't mind! Chrisrus (talk) 04:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hello. I would like to know about the rating that Wikipedia do, about the quality of the articles, which is placed in the Talk Page. I edited nearly all items in the Category: Brazilian swimmers, including lots of referenced information. Virtually all articles are as stub-class because they contained little information. I wonder if anyone can reclassify the articles in this category. Thank you. Sorry for my english, it's not perfect. Rauzaruku (talk) 22:43, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries! If the articles have projects on their talk page, all you need to do is place, "|class=stub" after the WikiProject, and it will show up as a stub. I hope that helps, and if you need any more help, please don't hesitate to ask! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:34, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Boston Wiknic
Hi! Can you maybe start the page for the Boston Wiknic (you can copy freely from last year's - Meetup/Boston/Wiknic/2012). It would be great to have a preliminary link at Wiknic for Boston, as we're going to start publicity very soon.--Pharos (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Done! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Question on a user
Hey. Deleted the Vietnam article and saw the Sassanid one was reverted immediately. There are ten article creations of his to check, but that's all from him. We could tackle that in a night or two without a CCI ideally. Wizardman 00:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll start tackling that bit soon. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Here's the remaining ones, I looked through the rest:
 * Siamese–Vietnamese War (1841–45): (1 edits, 1 major, +1391) 
 * Laotian Rebellion: (1 edits, 1 major, +1355) 
 * Siamese–Vietnamese War (1831–34): (1 edits, 1 major, +1059) 
 * Cambodian Rebellion (1811–12): (1 edits, 1 major, +820) 

None are particularly long and all are expanded since, so if there are copyright issues then they won't be too tough to fix. Wizardman 16:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll handle these now, as I completely forgot about the rest of them during finals week. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The first one is the only one that had an issue, while the rest of them were alright. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:09, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Vietnamese prostitutes
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decline of Kohelet Policy Forum
Hi,

First of all, I'd like you to know I appreciate the time you put into reviewing what I wrote. However, anyone who knows anything about Israel would tell you that a think-tank which gets 5-6 articles in the media within its first year, includes top academics and deals with core issues is notable. It's hard for me to understand how you can measure the reliability of daily newspapers in Israel without knowing the writers. It's true, we're dealing with newspapers and not with encyclopedias yet some of the sources which I brought are reliable, definitely a decision of the supreme court. I would like to request if it's not too much to ask that someone who is familiar with Israelilaw reviews the article.

Thanks,

SB ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sb236 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That may be true, but it still needs better sourcing. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:51, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of August Imgard


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Menai
Hi Kevin, I saw your revert of my edit at Endymion. Do you have a reliable source for the title Menae or Menai for Endymion and Selene's daughters? We've been trying to figure out where that comes from, but it isn't used at all in Greek literature and I can't find it in the scholarship either. If you think the term is more than a figment, any insight would be helpful. Thanks, <span style="font-family:'segoe ui','lucida grande';letter-spacing:2px;text-shadow:0 0 1px #999"> davidiad { t } 01:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was actually alerted to it by another editor, but Google Books shows that some 19th century Latin grammar texts use "menae" for month, and it is not necessarily Greek. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. I see in that search a lexicon referring to Menae, a different word, a toponym, and some Google Book scans that misinterpret the printed s in mense, ablative of Latin mensis, "month". But the main issue actually is whether or not a term was used in antiquity, or is presently used in scholarship, for the daughters of Endymion and Selene. These daughters are attested once in ancient literature (Greek or Roman) and there they appear without a name. We were discussing the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome regarding a different article, and it's pretty clear that the name is an internet invention and that Menae should probably be deleted. <span style="font-family:'segoe ui','lucida grande';letter-spacing:2px;text-shadow:0 0 1px #999"> davidiad { t } 01:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This source verifies that there were fifty children. If, what you say about the Menae in the source should have been Mense (months), then the modern sources probably picked up the typo. Thus, they are trying to give a Latin term for months instead of saying the English term. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying the fifty daughters of Selene and Endymion were made up modernly, but their cultic identification with months is a (plausible) modern one and thus they don't have a name in Greek or in Latin that is synonymous with "months". The problem is that they aren't actually referred to as a group by any group name, in antiquity or modern scholarship. The only ancient source that mentions them says, "Selene loved this Endymion, and fifty daughters were born to him from the goddess." At best, we should simply call them the "daughters of Selene and Endymion", hence my deletion of the term. I'm sorry to bug you about this, but the very useful for primary sources, but unreliable as scholarship, hobbyist website (theoi.com) that is the ultimate source for every mention of the group as the "Menae" or "Menai" has led to Wikipedia's making up terms before, and I'd rather we not perpetuate the site's errors, so I'd appreciate your reinstating my edit. <span style="font-family:'segoe ui','lucida grande';letter-spacing:2px;text-shadow:0 0 1px #999"> davidiad { t } 02:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Regardless, the children should be mentioned unless there is widespread consensus against having them there, and if you want to nuke the page, by all means go ahead and do so. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, Kevin. I wasn't going to remove mention of the children, just the name and link to the article, so when I get a chance I'll add the relevant info from modern scholarship to the Endymion page and get rid of the link. Best, <span style="font-family:'segoe ui','lucida grande';letter-spacing:2px;text-shadow:0 0 1px #999"> davidiad { t } 17:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:F.C. Südtirol-Alto Adige
You've not completed this move successfully, we now have two talk pages, can you rectify ASAP please? GiantSnowman 21:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears as though it did that because the location was created as a page, and I couldn't overwrite it. I've requested the page be deleted now, so it should all be fixed shortly. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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Academic dress of the University of Massachusetts Amherst
Are you planning on expanding Academic dress of the University of Massachusetts Amherst? It'd be nice to add it to Template:Academic dress but it is rather... sparse. —Tom Morris (talk) 14:42, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, eventually, but I only have found one site that helps, so I figure it is good to have it now so that it can be expanded upon later. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Anon 206.174.244.3
Hi Kevin, anon 206.174.244.3 said he contacted you. I answered to his question on my talk page. - Cheers - DVdm (talk) 06:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, you're Kevin. I hadn't realised that. Replaced your name in my message here. I also replied on my talk page. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 07:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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Incorrect figure
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 * Could you post the raw data here, as I am unable to open the pdf at this moment. Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The raw data is in the description:


 * Latin America and the Caribbean (€5,418,685)
 * Japan (€19,884,061).
 * Rest of Asia (€2,954,913)
 * Africa (€571,881)
 * European Union (€51,907,388)
 * Rest of Europe (€2,890,324)
 * Australia, Canada and New Zealand (€6,754,848). Schrobe (talk) 09:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed! Thanks for noticing that, as I cannot believe that that mistake was there for over two years. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OTRS ticket check
Hi Kevin. Can you take a look at this? I asked Jim on Commons since it's a Commons image, but I'm not sure what OTRS queue this person is referring to. Thanks for your time. <font face="AR Cena" color="black">INeverCry 01:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's good. The e-mail in question is forty-four days old, so I'm kind of amazed this we weren't notified sooner. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Kevin. It looks like Jim has tagged it for deletion. <font face="AR Cena" color="black">INeverCry  16:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Upshot-Knothole Encore
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Education-related question
Hi Kevin. There's currently a very sketchy request for Course Instructor rights on the Eduction Noticeboard, from somebody at the University of Maine. I don't think it should be granted without more information, and given that you're the ambassador for that region, I propose to try to put the instructor (user:Qwh) in touch with you. Would it be okay if I do that? (If you want to open communications yourself, that's fine.) Regards, Looie496 (talk) 14:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's real, as it doesn't match up with any logical academic schedule, and nothing about the request makes any sense. I'll leave a note there asking for more information, but I believe that it is a hoax as this point. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:24, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Davisville Naval Construction Battalion Center


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Camp subdivision of Davisville NCBC, so it shouldn't lead here.

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1983 Code "self-published source"
What do you mean by this? <font face="Old English text MT"> Canon Law Junkie §§§ <font face="Old English text MT">Talk 04:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Its because it appears as though it's not published by anyone reputable, so I was wary about having it there. If it is, I'm more than willing to discuss it with you. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Dr. Edward N. Peters is a well-established canon lawyer. Pope Benedict XVI appointed him a Referendary to the Apostolic Signatura, the top administrative tribunal in the canonical system, which means that he advises the court on matters of canon law. I think papal recognition of his canonical expertise should be enough to establish his reputability, but if it's not, then here is his curriculum vitae. <font face="Old English text MT"> Canon Law Junkie §§§ <font face="Old English text MT">Talk 00:49, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, but here is the disclaimer on the page: "Notice: The materials on this site represent the opinions of Dr. Edward Peters and do not necessarily reflect the views of others with whom he might be associated. Materials offered here are for informational and educational purposes only and are not intended as civil or canonical advice." I'm a bit wary of accepting a page where the author straight-out admits to placing opinions on a page which is supposed to be an educational page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Keith Car & Manufacturing Company
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Yarnell Hill Fire
Hello! A question: why did you move Yarnell Hill Fire to Yarnell Hill fire? Most wildfires that are listed here by their official names use a capital F on the word Fire. See Category:Wildfires in California, Category:Wildfires in Arizona, etc. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 19:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought it was commonplace to do that, so I moved it there, but I moved it back. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I guess the theory is that things like Witch Creek Fire or Cedar Fire are proper names. --MelanieN (talk) 20:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Coordinates
What is your source for these coordinates you've been using recently? I ask because WP:WikiProject Geographical coordinates says that 0.01" (as you used in 23rd Street Fire) is about 1 foot. This precision exceeds the accuracy of Google Maps by quite a bit. Abductive  (reasoning) 19:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Maps, the fact that the buildings are there. I also research the location of where the explosion occurred, and place a coordinate at the exact location that would be considered roughly the center of the building. I've done it this way for years, even going so far as to measure it out for the more precise locations, but it's never been a problem from what I've noticed. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That counts as WP:OR. The folks over at WikiProject Geographical coordinates have developed a longstanding consensus of "A general rule is to give precisions approximately one tenth the size of the object". I personally go down to the arcsecond, and on a couple of occasions been forced to 0.5" when I had to distinguish two objects. Anyway, you have not visited the site of ignition of the Yarnell Hill fire, so it would be best to be lest precise. Abductive  (reasoning) 19:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's only original if I am assuming and plopping them down willy-nilly, but I am actually searching the information based on maps of what has occurred and the fact that a lot of these fires have their own memorials right where they occurred, so it isn't too hard to find directions to the site or find it from the air. Regardless though, I completely see your point, and tend to specify when working in cities, where two buildings might be the difference between an accurate and inaccurate tag of an object. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Re:Spelling error on your page
Kevin, thank you for your observation. Man, I am a bad speller :) Tony the Marine (talk) 03:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Loring AFB
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CCI stuff
For images, your best bet would be this one. It's more complicated, but there aren't too many to go through remaining, and it's one that should've been cleaned long ago. Wizardman 19:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for that. Also, I have found an issue with an image (it will probably be deleted once you find this), but TinEye isn't finding this image, even though it is still on the internet. Is this something you have noticed before, because it could be potentially problematic if it isn't finding everything. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

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West Catholic Preparatory High School
Under the activity section of our page, it looks like you were the one who helped me change the name/move the page. However, the new page does not have that graphic on the right side with all the details of the school. Did that just completely disappear? Stanglerw327 (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems you deleted the Infobox in this edit, which I have restored. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Coordinates
I see that you have added inaccurate but overly precise coordinates to more articles. Please confine the accuracy to the arcsecond. This is a long-standing consensus. Abductive (reasoning) 01:40, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I mainly add things in cities, and because of this, they kind of need to be overly accurate for a reason. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please, there is no way that you could know that the Lac-Mégantic derailment occurred at exactly 45° 34′ 41.18″ N, 70° 53′ 10.86″ W. Reliable sources give a general map (example) which is what I used. You must follow the consensus at WP:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. Abductive  (reasoning) 03:01, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I actually used an image on Flickr which showed the crash location, although smoke obscured the true location of it. Still though, I was only off by fifty feet, so it wasn't that bad of a mistake. The reason I was overly precise is that if I didn't hit the rails, it could have ended up having it away from the crash site, so that wouldn't have been good. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:34, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Guy_Mankowski
I didn't submit it the first time, but the first submission was with a fouled up end ref tag so it didn't display the refs, so I wanted to make sure it was reviewed again with the refs visible. As for notability, that will have to be handled by the first author.Naraht (talk) 02:13, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the notification! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:15, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Articles for Creation: Docker
Thank you for taking the time to review my proposed article on Docker.io.

Docker.io is a relatively new open source project, which has attracted a great deal of attention. (It is consistenty among the top projects on GitHubm and has attracted over 6800 GitHub stars, is a featured topic at large numbers of open source conferences, etc.)

My article has been rejected for lack of sources. However, there are 8 sources cited for an article of less than 182 words. The article does not make any marketing claims about the project, but simply states the verifiable facts (e.g. date created, platform, etc.)

The sources include:
 * a)An article in the Wall Street Journal
 * b)An article in InfoQ, a technology publication
 * c)An article in ZDnet, a technology publication
 * d)Information from the Linux Foundation website, a large, well respected, non-profit organization
 * e)Information from the OpenStack Foundation website, one of the largest and most prominent open source organizations.
 * f)The GitHub repository for the project itself, which should be considered the definitive source of basic facts about most open source projects
 * g)A corporate blog from Atlassian, a well known technology company
 * h)A corporate blog from Puppet Labs, a well known technology company

None of these sources have a direct relationship with either the project or the companies supporting the project.

There are also some citations from respected technology bloggers, which I am happy to remove.

I am somewhat at a loss as to what to do next.

Thank you for your guidance. Golubbe (talk) 16:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sources do not equal notability, especially if they don't mention the topic in question in depth. Additionally, blogs are not reliable sources. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Fritz Alwin Breithaupt
Re: afc Fritz Alwin Breithaupt. Hi, I am curious as to what kind of material constitutes a reliable reference for an article about a living academic. I have included three book reviews, two institutional websites, a recent press release, and newspaper archives. I can't think of anything else to support the information included in the article - please advise. Thanks! Abaileyhamilton (talk) 17:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This page would be a good place to start, as I didn't really see anything popping out that could fit that criteria. Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the tip. I have added a bit more information, and I think that Breithaupt definitely meets a few of the notability criteria listed on that page. 1. The linked review to Jenseits der Bilder shows, I think that his work has "made significant in [his] scholarly discipline." 2. The awarding of the prestigious Humboldt Grant seems to meet the second criterion. 5. Breithaupt was the distinguished Remak Scholar at Indiana University in 2009-10. 6. Breithaupt is currently chair of the Germanic Studies department and interim dean of the Hutton Honors College at Indiana University. 7. It's not really a substantial impact, but he is known outside of academia for his column in the German magazine ZEIT. Let me know if you think that is sufficient, as I do, or if I can change anything else in the article to make that information come through more clearly. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abaileyhamilton (talk • contribs) 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks as good as it might get, so I would submit it to see what others think. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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JETGO vs. JetGo
G'day from Oz; as far as I can find, there is still nothing indicating that JETGO is correct, other than Paul Bredereck's say-so - the airline's website still uses "JetGo" and the Australian Government business registration databases still show it as "Jetgo. What have you found to justify the page move? Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 06:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The company has twice e-mailed OTRS asking that we fix it, and the last request was complied with as they sent along material confirming this. I see nothing wrong with doing this, as maybe their web team is behind in the times and they want to get it updated. I honestly don't care either way, and they seem to be offended by the idea that they're associated with the larger company, so I took that into account as well. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 06:29, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Righto, thanks. YSSYguy (talk) 06:52, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion declined: Ahladrama.
Hello, Ktr101. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ahladrama under criteria G3(Pure Vandalism), a page you tagged for speedy deletion. The reason for that was that the page is not pure vandalism. I used Google Translate to quickly translate the article which was written in arabic. I've tagged the article for speedy deletion under criterias G11 and A7 now. Thank you,  ~ XapApp(Talk·Contribs) 05:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the heads up. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Declined speedy
Hey, just letting you know that I declined the speedy on J.A. Redmerski. The sources (USA Today) and the assertion that she was a bestseller is *just* enough to where she'd squeak by on a speedy. That said, there isn't enough to assert notability per WP:AUTHOR from just what I saw on the article. I'll see if I can save it, but this looks like it'll probably be something best run through AfD. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Between that and people writing about "X was a best-seller on Amazon.com" with "best-seller" being a few thousand books in a week, I guess I was being hyper-vigilant, but thanks for the notification! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:36, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Eh, it's cool. I can honestly see where the confusion came from- I found that she was originally self-published and an Amazon "bestseller", but was re-published through another publisher and got onto the USA Today bestselling list. I'm also pretty dubious of people claiming bestseller status on Amazon since a lot of those tend to be in very specific categories (Bestseller> Romance > Aliens > Wearing Hats > On a Tuesday) or stem from people giving away e-books for free. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:42, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Lister technologies page review
Hi. Thanks for reviewing my page on Lister technologies. But I still see a notification on the page that it has not yet been reviewed. can you please do the needful so that the notification gets removed. Karthik (talk) 08:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see what your issue is, as everything looks fine there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Declined speedy on Anthony Fucilla
I declined the speedy on him because it just barely and I mean BARELY passed because of the assertion of his books being in multiple libraries. I waffled, but the claim is just enough to save him from a speedy end. There are a few local sources, but not much. I honestly don't expect him to survive AfD. In any case, I wanted to let you know since you'd nominated him for a speedy. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   09:26, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm enjoying the IP reverting to a version that makes even less sense than what is there. Thanks again for the heads up, as I also commented on the deletion page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 09:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah... I finally just felt bad for him and altered it to the version he wanted, while keeping the sources I'd added to the page. I think it probably would've been more humane to just turn a blind eye and speedy it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm also fairly certain that the editor is the author himself, so I posted a warning. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

reinstating Kropotkins page?
Dear Kevin

I hope that we can reinstate the Kropotkins page.

RE third party confirmation of the interest (I was putting in on as it was deleted)

1. The group has been extant since 1994, and has 3 CDs available at all stores and online sources (ITunes, Amazon, Tower, etc)

2. I ran a playlist search yesterday on WFMU Radio, the foremost "alternative" station in the USA and found 330 plays.

3. There are articles on the group in the New York Times, Village Voice, Entertainment Weekly, the New Yorker, etc. I can find urls and or send them if helpful in your decision.I put some quotes below.

4. Most of the members are well known and represented in other Wiki sites, including Maureen Tucker (Velvet Underground), Charlie Burnham, Dave Soldier (myself, granted), Jonathan Kane.

5. via Google there appear to be hundreds of blogs and other webpages about the group, so there is certainly interest about it.

with best wishes, and thanks for the consideration

Dave Sulzer

ds43@columbia.edu

Here are some 3rd party quotes:

The New Yorker: "OFF THE WALL. It takes a lot of guts (and a lot of brains) to try to imbue northern Mississippi fife-and-drum music with an anarchic spirit. The composer Dave Soldier, a neuroscientist, and the drummer Jonathan Kane, a downtown no-wave legend, perform as the Kropotkins, with an assist from, among others, the fine Mepmphis-based singer Lorette Velvette." (pick of the week, Feb 8, 2010)

"In 1994, inspired by the fife-and-drum blues of northern Mississippi and the bluegrass inventor Bill Monroe, the iconclastic downtown composer and scientist Dave Soldier (he's a professor of neurology at Columbia) fromed the Kropotkins, named after the Russian anarchist Peter Kropotkin. While the group is conentional by the standards of some of Soldier's other projects (he once created enroumous instruments for a group of Thai elephants to play), it can nonetheless seamlessly weave a Charles Ives cover into a set of soulful, if sometimes angular, country- or blues-tinged originals. Besides Soldier, who plays violin and banjo, the sextet includes the co-founder Jonathan Kane on snare drum, the Memphis-based singer Lorette Velvette, and the sweet-toned violinist and singer Charlie Burnham. For this performance they'll be celebrating the rlease of "Paradise Square", an engaging collection of new songs named for a vanished nineteenth-century park in lower Manhattan." (pick of the week, Feb 8, 2010)

"postmodern pre-blues" (R. Christgau, Village Voice)

Village Voice: "Kropotkins left decorous in the dust. Nothing with drummer Mo Tucker, the thundergoddess behind the Velvet Underground, could be described as decorous. Soldier's banjo suggests that the high lonesome sound is an overtone series generated by the open strings of the Delta bottom. Kropotkins find common ground between the non-Western tunings and African beats of the old blues and the barbaric harmonies of early minimalism. Velvette wows with an iron determination to get through at all costs. Reality TV? This is reality music, man, and we need more of it." - David Krasnow, 2001

Entertainment Weekly: "New York avant-gardist David Soldier and a cadre of experimentalists take apart the Mississippi Delta Blues and reassemble them into a jagged, slightly nightmarish soundscape. The core instruments are fiddle, banjo, and drums (plus Lorette Velvette's flat-affect vocals). You would expect so self-consciously arty an enterprise to reek of pretensiousness; instead, The Kropotkins is funky and listenable."

Time Out: "Any self-respecting fan of downtown music could tell you that a project involving drummer Jonathan Kane, multi-instrumentalist David Soldier and violinist Charlie Burnham is bound to be both intensely eclectic and a whole lot of fun. Formed in the early '90s and recently resurrected, the Kropotkins purvey a wild, fantastical blend that draws equally on postmodern Tom Waits-ian clatter and Mississippi fife-and-drum music." (February, 2010)

East Bay Express: "The Kropotkins could be considered an alt-rock/underground supergroup: it's made up of Lorette Velvette (the Hellcats, Tav Falco's Panther Burns); avant-classical violinist Dave Soldier (the Soldier String Quartet, Elliott Sharp, John Cale); Moe Tucker (Velvet Underground); Jonathan Kane (Swans); jazz violinist Charlie Burnham (James Blood Ulmer, Ronald Shannon Jackson); and guitarist Dog (drummer/composer Samm Bennett). The Kropotkins use the vocabulary of Delta blues, old Southern backcountry fife-&-drum music, and raw rock 'n' roll, which ends up sounding something like a skiffle group from hell or Leatherface's back-porch string band. Scratchy fiddle, yowling electric slide guitar, drums that alternately sound martial then harmolodic Ã la Ornette Coleman, percussion coming over the shortwave from Jamaica and West Africa, and the deadpan stray-cat vocals of Ms. Velette lead you through areas of New York and the rural South that you'll never see on a tourism commercial. The '77-era Mekons-like "Seconds Past Midnight" seems to chronicle the last hours (or an S/M session) of some schnook ("they brushed his hair and beat him tenderly/ that fool thought death didn't know his name"), and the stark, swampy, slithering blues that is "Junior's Groove" might make R.L. Burnside join the priesthood. Their music doesn't merely draw upon the blues tradition for its mojo -- it draws upon the African roots of the blues, without ever coming off as wannabe ethnomusicologists."

AllMusic: A stunning follow-up to their self-titled debut, the Kropotkins' Five Points Crawl probes the subconscious of a parallel American landscape littered with truck stops and roadside motels. Their unique sound mixes the instrumentation of an American Revolutionary militia band (fife, field drum, banjo, violin) fused with a punk-inspired and historical sense of the Mississippi Delta blues. An eclectic mix of veteran musicians and accomplished songwriters (Dave Soldier, Charlie Burnham, Dog) create an atmosphere of twang and trash while the extraordinary and subtle Memphis singer Lorette Velvette drawls out surreal and sultry vocals, backed up by the driving rhythmic energy of Moe Tucker and Johnathan Kane. Highly recommended. " -Zach Layton

Tiny Mix Tapes: "the music is always pretext. Pretext for Lorette Velvette and Samm Bennett, whose vocals, sung with tender or ironic tones, outline scenes from outdated places and times, sketching the timeless failings of their fellow man, taking part in the constitution and perpetuation of a specific idea in the American myth." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.111.4.117 (talk) 19:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not the only user to agree with that rationale, and the person who deleted it is also a respected user, and I didn't see anything notable about it when I Googled it yesterday. Sorry, but the band isn't notable. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

help with first wiki page
Hi. I think I am learning, slowly though. I need to upload a photo and wiki will not let me as I am only 2 days old. Can you do this? Lovethepirk (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you own the rights to the image? If so, then let me know, and I'll try to assist you. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes I do own the rights....thanks.Lovethepirk (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, here is the page you want to go to. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Declined on Dyme-A-Duzin
I declined the speedy on Dyme-A-Duzin. The contract is just enough to assert enough notability for an article and he'd gotten at least one review on his stuff. It might not pass notability guidelines overall, so this would probably be better as an AfD. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I guess I know what I'll be doing in the coming days. Thanks again for the notification! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:21, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

2nd Annual Wikimedia New England General Meeting
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Proposed deletion of 2013 Soldotna Airport Turbine Otter crash


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New England
Kevin, thanks for taking the initiative to organize the organizational meeting.

I don't know whether you accomplished what you wanted to accomplish, but I think we are on our way to form a user group, which can then, over time be taken to the chapter level if the user group is sufficiently successful.

Can you tell me who picked up the tab for lunch? (I now see that WM DC did) Our host (not using real name in case I shouldn't) Or was I supposed to chip in and missed it?

I just glanced at the online meeting notes. I kept my own notes, and thought I might add something. However, rather than add it to the etherpad site, I thought I would copy the notes as is to a subpage of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Boston/2nd_Annual_Wikimedia_New_England_General_Meeting, then add my comments to that page, so that we could keep track of contributions. I don't want to do this if you were already planning on doing something else.Kevin, thanks for taking the initiative to organize the organizational meeting.

I don't know whether you accomplished what you wanted to accomplish, but I think we are on our way to form a user group, which can then, over time be taken to the chapter level if the user group is sufficiently successful.

Oh and thanks for taking pictures, and uploading them. I brought my camera for that purpose, but forgot until we were breaking up, so your pictures are better.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  12:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I now see the Wikimedia_New_England page and the place for minutes, minutes so I'll edit that, unless you were planning to.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  14:51, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

My action item list in the minutes is incomplete in two respects:


 * 1) In some cases, someone volunteered but I didn’t get the full name, for example, I think John agreed to help with the legal aspects, but there was more than one John, and I’m concerned I am misremembering, so I did not fill it in.
 * 2) I think some other items were agreed to but in the flurry of wrapping up, I may have missed them.-- SPhilbrick  (Talk)  19:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that in the second photo, the WiFi name and password are visible and readable. It would be good policy to blank these out, even though they likely will be changed. Reify-tech (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

The Unvisited App
Hi, this is the guy that takes a bunch of pictures for Massachusetts articles. And here's my secret... :)

I didn't get a chance to show it to you at the meeting, but I've written an app that finds articles with coordinates but that don't have pictures, and plans routes to get as many pictures as possible in a short time. It's still kind of a beta version, so I welcome feedback from anyone. I can also generate and email itineraries if anyone needs one.

Link to Unvisited

I noticed you're in Barnstable. Here's an example of a trip the App planned in Barnstable that passes 11 photo opportunities on a 15 mile bike ride. Cape Cod still needs a lot of photos. Clicking the tour link pulls up a map of the tour on Google Maps.


 * Tour


 * A Barnstable/West_Barnstable_Elementary_School 41.6986°N, -70.3271°W
 * B Cape_Cod_Community_College 41.6917°N, -70.3373°W
 * C Joseph_Jenkins_House 41.6914°N, -70.3708°W
 * D Jenkins-Whelden_Farmstead 41.6917°N, -70.3747°W
 * E Adams-Crocker-Fish_House 41.7019°N, -70.3894°W
 * F Town_Line_Boundary_Marker_(410_High_Street,_Barnstable,_Massachusetts) 41.7219°N, -70.4011°W
 * G Barzillai_Weeks_House 41.7208°N, -70.3997°W
 * H Benomi_and_Barnabas_Crocker_House 41.705°N, -70.3861°W
 * I John_Jenkins_Homestead 41.6947°N, -70.37°W
 * J Fuller_House_(Barnstable,_Massachusetts) 41.695°N, -70.3669°W
 * K Blish-Garret_House 41.6947°N, -70.3558°W

John Phelan Faolin42 (talk) 15:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That looks awesome! I have a ton of photos of the college though, so you might be able to skip that as I'll likely upload them in the coming weeks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Bwmoll
To start, the Marine Corps Air Facility Walnut Ridge issue is a reverse copyvio. I can tell since the site you note mirrors the current state rather than his full additions, and it shows a submission of May this year. I'd have to look more closely at the article you had an issue with, but it looks like right now the Encyclopedia of Arkansas is just yanking out stuff without attribution. Wizardman 03:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought, but this page is from 2009, while the text was added in 2011. This version of the article from the date the source was archived shows that there is a huge difference in text, so that's why I became concerned. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm, in that case that does appear to be a clear issue with the Newport one. An investigation might be needed if there's more to be found, though I have to admit I hope this is a one-off because he's got a lot of edits to look through. Wizardman  03:24, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this would be an absolute nightmare to tackle. Walnut Ridge on that site dates back to 2007, and considering where the images on the Wiki pages are sourced to, it is a bit concerning. In terms of things that we could search for, I'm going to keep mining that page to see what else comes up, as it is a lot easier than going through all of those edits. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:36, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's another one that has text on Stuttgart Municipal Airport's page. Should we contact Brent about this, as he might be willing to help clean up this stuff and save us thousands of queries. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I would try contacting him to see if he's willing first before going the CCI route; hopefully he is able to. (I just checked and he has over 100k mainspace edits! I really, really hope most are automated or minor...) Wizardman  18:25, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This states that it may be a lot of work, although I'm hoping most of those heavy months are automated. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:43, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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Project page links on Wikipedia article
Re this: As I said in the hidden-text note, all those "Wikipedia:" links can be treated as equivalent to external links; our coverage of our own site should follow the same policies as our coverage of any other site when it comes to the appropriateness of linking to internal pages in the text. (E.g., would we say  ?) —  PublicAmpers <font color="FF1493">&#38; (main account • talk • block) 19:03, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, that wasn't completely clear to me, so I'm sorry about that. Thanks for the heads up! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:08, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Kevin Rutherford, I want to write a blog about the Wikimedia Education Program in Nepal, can u tell me how can i do it? Prakash Neupane (talk) 15:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I would check with LiAnna on this, as she deals with blogging. Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
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National Raisin Reserve
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Gilbert Heights Fort
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 * Ah, I meant for that to redirect to Fort Glover. Thanks for catching that! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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BHS Marching Band
Hello Kevin, my name is Brendan Clark, I am currently a Freshman Member of the BHS Red Raider Marching Band. The current director, David Schroeter has employed me to write a history of the band. Your extensive work already completed was an excellent help and I wanted to thank you for it. I am curious, how did you find out about the earliest periods. In order to do so, I had to go through the yearbooks in the main office. Anyway, I was curious if you knew anything else about the marching bands history, as well as if you had any artifacts. We are currently creating a collection for the school. Any help at all is appreciated. Kindest Regards, Brendan W. Clark

P.S.-In addition, if I might have your email, as I do not wish to write on your talk page about non-wikipedia related matters. My email is CharlesCornwallis12@gmail.com. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrendanWClark (talk • contribs) 2:36 pm, Today (UTC−4)

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Greetings
Hey there Kevin. I saw you didn't reply to my comments over there. No worries but I would just like to touch base with you maybe Skype chat or something to understand your perspective. Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia. Biosthmors (talk) 08:49, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn't even see your reply. Sorry about that! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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Treasure TV series
I have left a message with the Help desk and with the previous reviewer, as well as having updated the page that was declined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tikihouse (talk • contribs) 09:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

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Middle Georgia Raceway
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if you might...
At the deletion discussion about the article The Pixar Theory, the topic seems to have met the GNG though a lot of (recent) coverage.... BUT my own research indicates the the base concept of "The Pixar Universe" has been recognized in media at least as early as 2003, making this later "theory" notable only in it making enough recent waves to be considered a "viral meme". Toward addressing the earlier concept, I began work on User:MichaelQSchmidt/The Pixar Universe, but upon further reflection, perhaps best that my little sourced article might best be folded into the main topic Pixar so that we'd have a suitable redirect target for The Pixar Theory? Think it worth doing? And would you care to assist? Thanks,  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 23:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for National Raisin Reserve
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Please intervene
Hi Kevin, I see that you have added the course instructor right to the account of LeshedInstructor. I would appreciate it if you would have a look at this discussion on Meta-Wiki between myself and this "instructor" and intervene before this gets out of hand. I appreciate any assistance you can offer. <font color="#000" face="Times">Augur <font color="#33f" family="Arial">NZ <font color="#000" size="4">&#x2710;  <font size="4" color="#000">&#x2315;  21:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Kevin, thanks for your help. I am not sure why Augur is so angry with me. I don't even know what a Meta-Wiki is. I am just trying to have my students edit articles as part of a course project. Thank you. LeshedInstructor (talk) 00:52, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I have responded there accordingly. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:24, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

ITN credit
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