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Please comment at Talk:United States presidential election, 2008. -Rrius (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

United States Presidential Election 2008 Mediation
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Eric Holder
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Kirsten Gillibrand
I semi-protected this article to prevent vandalism due to rumors. The semi-protection is for six hours (overnight) and the move protect is for one day. Bearian (talk) 02:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but when an anon IP says it was "leaked by water balloon", it is very funny, but as an admin, I have a duty to protect the article. Bearian (talk) 02:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

February 2009
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List of mass murderers by number of victims
Listing the suspect of the Tucson shooting in the List of mass murderers by number of victims list is the same as calling him a murderer. It's libelous, at this point, and a clear WP:BLP violation. Amalthea 14:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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Somalia
I think Somalia is in wrong place. I suggest you move it, because no one at talk page objected to your argument. They say Somalia protest is unrelated. But the point is if Somalia is included, it should be put under country section. If someone is against this, after your move, he/she will use the talk page. Kavas (talk) 01:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Armenia & Middle East
See my response in talk page. You are deeply mistaken on your opinion regarding Armenia and Middle East.MosMusy (talk) 07:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not opinion but fact, as I've highlighted in my post in that talk page. MosMusy (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're deeply mistaken. If it was opinion the EU would not have been clear on the fact that Armenia is a European country. Are you going to go against the consensus of the EU? EU has more legitimacy than anybody else here to consider what country is European and what country is not. See my response in the talk for more. MosMusy (talk) 08:44, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * We are talking about Republic of Armenia here not all Armenians in the world (all of which don't have ties to the Republic). So EU saying Armenia is European is meaningless? What motives are you talking about? As I said, EU has never considered countries like Israel or Morroco to be part of Europe, but considered Armenia to be part of Europe. They have strict criteria and definitions in doing so and I would recommend you respect their opinion and not follow the opinion of some random Armenians, that might not even have any ties to the Republic. MosMusy (talk) 09:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

First off, a few people had already agreed for the changes to go through. Armenia must be transferred to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_2010%E2%80%932011_Middle_East_and_North_Africa_protests and I have many allies that will support this. I will continue to fight until truth is restored to this article. MosMusy (talk) 03:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * There's no argument regarding Armenia's inclusion in Middle East on Wikipedia. The "Greater Middle East" notion is rather controversial and created by the inept Bush administration actually. Armenia belongs Geography wise in South Caucasus which is separate from Middle East, and any educated person will tell you that. The fact that you have hijacked this article and continue to write falsehoods is a shame. MosMusy (talk) 03:29, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The South Caucasus is a region at the cross borders of Southwest Asia and Eastern Europe. Armenia firmly belongs in this area geographically and it's better to be specific than vague in this case. The Middle East again ask any historian does not encompass the Caucasus region, and ask any Geographer the South Caucasus is located in this border region between Asia and Eastern Europe. Why do you insist on putting Armenia in Middle East when it in no way belongs there? MosMusy (talk) 03:41, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Armenia is already not included in the Wikipedia Middle East - there is no debate about that as there shouldn't be. The Caucasus is included in the 'Greater Middle East' article but this term is a very inaccurate one coined by the one and only Bush administration - and in my view should be given no merit. Armenia is already included in the Europe article, and is included in and associated with Europe related articles in Wikipedia. Armenia should be moved to the "impact" article - there are already similar countries like Armenia there, and it will do justice to the truth. MosMusy (talk) 03:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

So you are ready to establish the term 'Greater Middle East' which was coined by the Bush Administration has a official Geographical term now? That term has many flaws and the authorities on this subject have never coined that as an official term. So, really it is inappropriate in all cases. The thing is, that the South Caucasus is a unique part of Southwest Asia/Eastern Europe. That is why Armenia is often considered to be part of just the Caucasus as the Caucasus merits its separate Geographical term. There's even a clear geographical divide between the South Caucasus and the Middle East, if you look at the elevations and mountain ranges. So putting Armenia in this article that is clearly titled "Middle East protests" is highly insensitive and is inaccurate. If the title was more broader, not limiting to Middle East, I would not have problem, but since it limits, I have problem, thus I believe Armenia should be placed in the "Impact page" which is a rather developed article. MosMusy (talk) 04:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

It's interesting why in your arguments you don't include Georgia. I will repeat again - putting Armenia in Middle East reflects a very false light regarding Armenia. The reality of it is - Armenia is politically, culturally European and Geographically Caucasian (South Caucasian to be exact). The South Caucasus is traditionally accepted as the border area between Western Asia and Eastern Europe. Even in the official UN Cartographic section Armenia (and rest of S. Caucasus) is not included in the Middle East): http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/mideastr.pdfMosMusy (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

So to you, Georgia is considered part of Europe and Armenia part of Middle East? I must say that is one of the biggest flawed statements I have heard and seems to me you are trying to push a more darker agenda by believing in this. MosMusy (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * If I might butt-in, I hope you will excuse me, Kudzu, but is there perhaps something in the WP:MOS that can help with this? It appears that there is a great deal of nationalism involved in the argument over the inclusion of Armenia as a Middle Eastern state, and it might help if there is something in the manual that could settle it along policy guidelines as we are supposed to. As well, Mos, from what I have see, Kudzu is typically a very NPOV editor, I have not seen him edit before with any sort of agenda in mind. I think you should try dealing with this in a more relaxed and civil way. Surely you two can work out some way to deal with this that doesn't involve accusing someone of having "darker agenda". (which is plain unfriendly and uncivil). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 05:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Your recent comment on the protests page
Hi. I refer to your recent edit, in which you stated: "I'm arguing to keep them here because this page gets a decent amount of traffic and attention, and those events haven't gotten the attention they deserve compared to the Arab world protests." I feel that this is not the correct spirit with which one should approach editing. The goals should be to improve the article, and to make it more encyclopaedic. They way you phrased your statement makes it sound as though you want to include information just to expose the information to the world, even if it does not help improve the article. How would you feel if someone went to edit, say, The Holocaust, and continuously added several references to the Armenian Genocide, and justified it with: "this page gets a decent amount of traffic and attention, and those events haven't gotten the attention they deserve compared to the Holocaust" ?! It would not sit quite right with you, yes !? Hope that helps. No offence or ill will intended. Unflavoured (talk) 10:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I do not question your integrity at all. I am just pointing out that it is quite easy to misinterpret your intentions. Someone might come along, and start reverting your edits or questioning your points, based on the way your phrased that sentence. Unflavoured (talk) 11:26, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

False Information
And you putting false information on a page is also against Wikipedia policy. I am only reverting the edits to the truth. MosMusy (talk) 14:10, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's on the basis that you are using a non-academic term "Greater Middle East" to justify putting Armenia and all the Caucasus in the Middle East, without paying attention to the many differences between the two regions and the fact that the two regions are separate entities. I have shown you even proof for this, but it really should be obvious. Apparently not to you. MosMusy (talk) 14:16, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You apparently have a hard time understanding what I am saying. It has nothing to with "I don't like it" I have given a concise academic argument against your justification using "Greater Middle East" which is not accepted term in academic world of Geography and thus cannot be used in Wikipedia. What you are doing is blatantly against the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MosMusy (talk • contribs) 14:46, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Mos, please read the first sentence of WP:V as well as WP:TRUTH (though that one is somewhat less helpful), if the RSs are calling it such then that is what we put, not what you believe is true as truth is only a matter of opinion. Also please review WP:EDITWARRING. It is a common rule here that even if you are thoroughly convinced you are right, that is never an excuse to engage in edit warring (unless you have cases of VERY obvious vandalism). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 15:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have put out my arguments in an academic manner. It is vandalism if the opposing user is using terms that are not accepted in the academic community of Geographers to justify and impose a point. One can also use that tactic to justify so many ridiculous things if one wanted to. It is highly inappropriate and non-academic to impose the term "Greater Middle East" when this term has not been accepted by geographers and other academicians involved in such studies. The user instead uses a political article to justify that the term is somehow legitimate across the board now. MosMusy (talk) 16:57, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to make your argument from a policy standpoint though, no what you consider an academic form of argument. The only thing that really matters here is policy and what sounds good. I think tgat you are misunderstanding what vandalism is. The views of the "academic community of Geographers" are wide and varied, and you'll have to forgive me if recent reading has spoiled my respect for geographers. However, you cannot call it vandalism just because you have strong feelings about it that other users do not share (as Kudzu has said, this appears to be a case of WP:IDL. It is highly uncivil to keep doing so. If you have the sources treating the events in Armenia as part of those in the Middle East then it pretty much does not matter what any geographer says. I don't quite see how your considering it a poltical geography term disqualifies it. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 16:09, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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Upgrading Yemen to Civil War Status
Elevate_Yemen_to_Civil_War Please express your views when you have the time. Peace & blessings. --Smart (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

National Liberation Army?
Greetiungs, I must be directo on this: Why do you renamed the Free Lybian Army article as "National Liberation Army"?, is stated and sourced than the name used by the own rebel forces is "Free Lybian Army", where is the sources which justify such change, and why you don't consultate such change to others editors? Greetings.Cloudaoc (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Arab Spring, Neutral point of view concerning international reactions
Why was John Pilgers comment removed?

John Pilger called US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's condemnation of "governments that arrested protestors and crushed free expression" a "spectacular hypocrisy" as she failed to mention that "her government was planning to close down those parts of the internet that encouraged dissent and truth-telling".

--JohKar (talk) 10:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

2010-2011 Sahrawi protests was right
I do not agree with your unilateral move of the cited paged, making a supposed division in the Sahrawi protest, only to fit in the mark of the Arab Spring. As I wrote on the discussion page, there is no claim of two separate protest in any media, opinion of experts, etc... so I cannot understand such move, when it supposes giving dubious or even false statements. Regards.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 17:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Just checking
The reverts in the top bit on this here were accidental as a result of edit conflict, yes? =p I'm trying to fix Petey's damage. Btw, you wouldn't happen to know a better in-line template for cherrypicking, would you? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 06:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

User:HCPUNXKID
I suggest you ignore this guy. He can not be reasoned with. If you look at his talk page, anything he doesn't agree with he thinks is POV. He will just keep edit warring until blocked which he has already been twice. If he keeps doing it, you should report him to the admin's board. TL565 (talk) 03:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Arab_Spring_using_EasyTimeline
Hi Kudzu1,

Many thanks for improving the Template:Arab_Spring_using_EasyTimeline. Good job!

Best wishes, cm&#610;&#671;ee&#9786;&#964;a&#671;&#954; 12:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Countries Recognizing National Transitional Council Map
Might I suggest that another color be added for countries that Co-recognize the N.T.C with the Tripoli government? Currently there are four countries (Poland, Russia, Turkey, and Malta) that do so. National Transitional Council - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Just commenting here: These four don't all have the same status. While Turkey and Malta actually HAVE RELATIONS with both claimants, Russia only has real relations with Gaddafi, whereas Poland doesn't really have relations with either... we could think of adding a color for those who have revoked recognition of Gaddafi but have not yet established relations with the NTC though (Peru, Switzerland, Malawi, Liberia and so on- though some of these never actually had relations with Gaddafi's Libya in the first place). --Yalens (talk) 00:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Egypt on the NTC
The map still shows Egypt as having informal relations with teh NTC, but I haven't been able to find confirmation of this anywhere... (lots of allegations about Egypt arming the rebels, nothing about relations though)... what's your understanding of the relationship between Egypt and the NTC, if there is one at all?--Yalens (talk) 00:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Double-faced games? Turkey (and possibly others)
Al-Jazeera report here: Apparently, as the Gaddafite troops were fleeing, they left their supplies behind. In Shakshuk in the Nafusa mountains, they found Turkish food rations that were apparently made in Turkey in March - Gaddafi must have recieved the rations while the UN sanctions were already in effect. (as a side note, I seem to remember them discovering recently made Russian grad and idris missiles a couple weeks ago... I will try to find that) But I think this is very significant, and doesn't look good for the recently reelected Erdoghan. They don't know exactly how it got to Gaddafi but still... --Yalens (talk) 17:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * update: apparently, they found Turkish rations in three more former Gaddafite bases aside from Shakshuk.--Yalens (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Poland recognizes NTC
http://www.arabstates.net/middle-east/poland-officially-recognized-the-provisional-council-in-benghazi/

Zenithfel (talk) 15:25, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent, thanks for the link. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Sudan
That's fair enough. Hopefully the edits didn't come off as rude; I understand you're doing what you think is best.LouisianaFan (talk) 22:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Libya
I've restored Foreign relations of Libya as it was before your move, as controversial changes should be discussed at WP:RM. (Don't worry, I'm sure you were acting in perfectly good faith.) Thanks, -- Ja Ga  talk 22:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Ikotos County move
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Page Moves
Please don't do any without obtaining assistance first. I just looked at the history for History of South Sudan and it appears you did a copy and paste move, thus invalidating the entire history of the article in its former location. This is not something that should have been done in this fashion. Thus, I would ask you not do any page moves without assistance.

I know how to move pages properly, so please ask for assistance next time you feel the need to move a page; don't just copy and paste like here and in at least another couple of places I've seen. Note I DID do a copy and paste move once not knowing myself; this is how I learned. CycloneGU (talk) 18:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for repeatedly making cut-and-paste moves (cf. Southern Sudan, History of Southern Sudan and Ikotos County) despite having been asked to do it properly or seek assistance. If you undertake to move pages only in accordance with WP:MOVE or to seek assistance when moving an article, you can be unblocked. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry this led to a block, but this is a mixed blessing. In a sense, you're being advised to take a day not editing and read the pages of the things you are having issues doing correctly - in this case, moving pages - and learning to do them properly, or otherwise agree to refrain from it and ask for assistance anytime you need a page moved. I don't know if you will be unblocked this evening (depends on your reason if you offer one, and the reviewing admin's feeling about it), but definitely make sure you understand how moving pages works before asking for an unblock. I'd hate to see you blocked permanently for continuing to do cut and paste moves. CycloneGU (talk) 18:55, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm also giving you the following template in relation to this just as a courtesy. CycloneGU (talk) 19:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Cut and Paste Moves
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In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page. This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thank you.

Notified Blocking Admin.
I alerted the blocking admin. to your unblock request. I for one accept your reasoning, so it's his call now. CycloneGU (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

i'm sorry i thought it was red in the map i didn't mean to vandalize--Proud coptic (talk) 06:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

'Summary of protests by country section' on Arab Spring
Hey, I just wanted to say I appreciate you fixing the 'Summary of protests by country' table! I just apologise that I had to resort to ask. My coding skills are not so great. kiranerys (u,c) 05:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

SouthSudan-airport-stub
Hi Kudzu1 - any idea why you created this template while it was still under discussion at WP:WSS/P? You should have waited until the discussion was complete. As it is, it's fine, though it needed some tidying up (stub templates never link to permcats, and airport stubs are linked to geo-stub cats. Also discussion is still underway as to whether South Sudan stubs should link to East or North African categories. If you'd waited, we could have sorted all that out before it was made (which is the whole reason the proposal-and-discussion process for stub types is there). Grutness...wha?  14:16, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Heads-Up
Just a quick note to let you know there is now a userbox for the South Sudan WikiProject. Feel free to add it to your user page if you wish. CycloneGU (talk) 17:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)