User talk:KumiokoCleanStart/Archive 9

Seeking your advice on Hope Diamond revamp here
Hi Kumioko, you've got good eyes and I'm seeking your views on a possible revamp of the Hope Diamond article, like what do you think, is it ready for prime time? I'm not happy much with the lede paragraph and the picture placement, and I have kind of a bigger question about how to handle the stuff about the cubic zirconia replica in France (ie should this stuff have its own article? I'm leaning to thinking perhaps yes but I'm not sure). Good idea to introduce this subject, as I might have guessed that the 'Hope Diamond' was one of Neil Diamond's kids up until a week or so ago.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

WPUSA Newsletter issue
Just a thought, but you might what to look at the code for the newsletter before the next one is distributed. Specifically, the code that sets up the border around the issue, because something must be missing. The border continues all the rest of the way down the talk page, and if a user's talk page has more than one issue showing, as yours does, you get nested borders. Once you figure out what's missing, it might be a good idea to fix the talk pages of those who are receiving the full issue on their talk page.  Imzadi 1979  →   12:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXIV, June 2011
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The WikiProject National Archives Newsletter
The first ever WikiProject National Archives newsletter has been published. Please read on to find out what we're up to and how to help out! There are many opportunities for getting more involved. Dominic·t 21:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

File:James Parks.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:James Parks.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Back in the saddle
Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 23:13, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh crap. I was enjoying the peace and quiet.  There goes the neighborhood.  :) Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

A new template for review
Hi there! I've recently assembled a new Template:American Revolutionary War based on the successful Template:American Civil War. I'd appreciate eyes on to help populate what's missing and edit and polish what's present. Thanks! BusterD (talk) 00:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
- EdoDodo  talk 21:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied again. - EdoDodo  talk 02:47, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * And again. - EdoDodo  talk 17:43, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  02:55, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Religious symbolism in the United States military
Kumioko, I just responded to your note about the article, Chaplain of the United States Senate -- but then I looked at your profile on your user page, and saw your military background. Because of that, I wanted you to know about another article I created and have been working on: Religious symbolism in the United States military. I think it has some info that might be of interest to you. Best, NearTheZoo (talk) 20:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Tagging
Hi K -- this edit broke the banner shell. – Lionel (talk) 05:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
EBE123 talkContribs 17:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Francis D. Rauber
There cannot be a single Wikipedia user in the entire world who would be in the least doubt about the meaning of the words "United States" here - particularly when the article is about a United States Marine. Linking those words is completely pointless. And why did you revert all my other changes too? Do you imagine that any reader is unfamiliar with the meaning of the words "World War II", or needs a separate link to China right next to the link for Shanghai? Please read the Manual of Style on overlinking here. It says specifically "An article is said to be overlinked if it links to words that can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia". Colonies Chris (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see bullet point 2 in the MoS:
 * "Avoid linking the names of major geographic features and locations, religions, languages, and common professions"


 * There cannot be a geographic location better known than the United States. It doesn't say 'link only the first time' It says 'Avoid linking'. This is not 'just my opinion' - I'm following the Manual of Style. You are completely out of line here. You have also failed to notice, in your blind revert, my correction of 'Port au Prince' to the agreed name 'Port-au-Prince'. And I entirely reject your suggestion that this is a misuse of AWB. Colonies Chris (talk) 16:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * These are in no way 'dubious' changes. They are correct and constructive improvements to the article which I'm fully prepared to defend. I shall reinstate them. Colonies Chris (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies for butting in here, but I should of course point out Kumioko that the quote you've been given from the linking guidelines is somewhat selective. The guidelines are quite clear that links to "common terms" or those that are "understood by most readers" (however on earth you would define those anyway) are OK if "relevant" to the topic of the article where they are linked. Hence, linking to United States in an article about an American person or place, or reverting to put back such a link, is clearly fine, or at least something that's open to debate, rather than being "out of line". And, of course, the point is not that people might not know what the US is, as if that page were simply a dictionary definition of the US, but about navigability within the site - something that WP:LINK highlights as being a good thing, ie by explicitly saying that links should "help the reader find related information". There are others who have problems with these mass de-linkings by script/AWB as well.  N-HH   talk / edits  00:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Projects
Thanks, I only left the projects because I wasn't very active in those areas. When I first started actively editing a few months ago, I joined alot of projects to help me figure out what I wanted to work on and now that I've mostly figured it out, I just removed the projects that I'm not active in.  Theking 17825  18:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough thanks...I just wanted to make sure we werent running editors off somehow...good luck and happy editing. --Kumioko (talk) 18:51, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Joe Foss, Marine Aviator
Hi there, Kumioko. I noticed you did a lot of work on the page for Joe Foss, and now I see you have been active on a whole host of projects. I was wondering if you would weigh in on a minor controversy. At the time he was awarded the Medal of Honor, Joe was referred to as "America's ace of aces". The phrase can be meant to mean the top scoring fighter pilot of any given conflict, any given service, any given theater, etc. Some would argue that it strictly refers to the pilot with the greatest number of confirmed kills, and as such only Richard Bong is referred to as the United States "Ace of Aces". Not taking anything away from Bong, Joe at one time was the top scoring ace of the US, some consider him still the Marine Corps top scoring ace, and in multiple references to Joe the phrase "ace of aces" comes up. However, my mentioning that Joe has been referred to as an "ace of aces" on Joe's page has met with some resistance. Would you care to consider it and offer an opinion? Thanks. Gunbirddriver (talk) 21:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Wisconsin
Hi-I notice WikiProject South Carolina is now under WikiProject United States. I brought this to the attention of WikiProject Wisconsin for discussion about whether we should do the same. Thank you-RFD (talk) 11:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. --Kumioko (talk) 13:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I need some love today.

Kumioko (talk) 15:47, 5 August 2011 (UTC) 

A little love for you
Hold the kitten, stroke its fur, smile, and have a better day. :-) Your friend,

Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 21:23, 5 August 2011 (UTC) 
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 22:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Here's another cute little kitty Kumi, since we worked on WPUS together ourselves.

JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  22:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC) 
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 22:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:Articles by Importance
Please see: Template talk:Articles by Importance. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 02:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikimania in DC next year
I'm sure you know that Wikimania will be in Washington, DC next August. I'd like to get the List of RHPs in DC table completed by then, as a present to all the visitors. I made a general proposal/invitation at

Talk:National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Washington,_D.C.

I don't know if you take many photos, but if you just carry a small camera and a list of needed photo sanytime you're in DC, you could get a lot done. Please take a look and any help would be appreciated.

Smallbones (talk) 17:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I work in DC and live nearby. Ill take a look at the list and see if I can help out. --Kumioko (talk) 17:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - every little bit will help Smallbones (talk) 22:48, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject United States
Took a while but I got it; it was missing the importance parameters completely for the counties, so I went and added them in. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I had tried the same thing in the sandbox but I did the formatting a little different and I guess it didn't like it. I appreciate the help. --Kumioko (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem; went ahead and moved the sandbox template. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 14:29, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Support for WikiProject Arizona from WikiProject United States
I think any support is welcomed--do you propose collapsing the former into the latter? Lippard (talk) 21:59, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, no. I don't want to dissolve Arizona or anything like that. The project will essentially remain the same. The main change will come in the form of embedding the WikiProject Arizona banner in the WPUS as seen at Template:WikiProject United States. --Kumioko (talk) 01:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Keep up the great work
I'm thoroughly impressed by how much you've completed on Wikipedia. I would like to further my editing skills and begin, potentially, creating pages. However, I don't seem to have the proper tools, like software and code-expertise. Do you have any advice on how I can further my editing capabilities? Again, wonderful job and keep up the great work. Bullmoosebell (talk) 07:01, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the award. When I started out I just started editing little things. Then after I learned the rules a little I got access to AWB which is a semi automated article browser/editor that allows you to do a lot of things easier and faster. Over time I just continued to pick things up. Once you start editing for a while though it should be pertty easy to create articles. I would recommend just starting with a stub or start article that already exists and just copy the format. I hope this helps a little. If there are more specific questions I'd be glad to help just let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 11:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've downloaded AWB but I have no clue how to make it work. I've read the directions but, between my ADD, OCD, PTSD, and the confusing language of the directions, I haven't wrangled the patience to make this program operable. Any shortcuts or tips besides opening AWB and copy-pasting the info? Bullmoosebell (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the second thing is to request access to use it. It has a lot of built in stuff that it does but youll still need to watch it because it sometimes generate fals positives. Generally though you can just edit with it too. I'm not sure where your interests lie but I guess you can just start looking around and learn as you go. You can learn a lot by just looking through the articles histories or checking the contributions of other users to see what they do. I woudl recommend not messing with too many templates until you get the hang of things though cause sometimes they can get really hard and confusing. --Kumioko (talk) 20:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Extra noinclude closing tag on templates
Hi- just found a typo on the WikiProject templates that are being deprecated. There is an extra closing noinclude tag, see: diff for WP New Mexico. I don't know how many templates you may have copied it to, I've fixed a few, but the rest need to be fixed. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks for the idea about using the wrapper template!! I'm using it for the WP Somalia template, we couldn't figure out how to do it, but you apparently did!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ill take a look and see if there are any more. --Kumioko (talk) 01:54, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Image reversion request
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Asian Americans. Thank you in advance. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:55, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Images in infobox
I have a question. Are we deleting all images (rank, awards, etc.) in infoboxes of military personnel? I understand how flags should not be included, per MOS:FLAG, though they do serve the purpose of the infobox, according to MOS:INFOBOX, which allows "readers to identify key facts at a glance." However, I understand how some infoboxes contain more info than other and, as a result, present an opportunity for a cluster of images and links. So, is it out intent to delete images from infoboxes, or are we going by a case-by-case basis (for instance, the article of George Washington has flags & images in the infobox, yet is rated a good article). Here's some other articles to consider, Carter Ham, William Westmoreland, Audie Murphy. Thanks for you help with this and let me know what you think! Bullmoosebell (talk) 19:30, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of arguments for and against images but typically they should be limited. Usually we just include an image of the country and maybe branch of service for military. If you take a look at Smedley Butler its a good example. Sometimes folks put an image of the rank or of the military award but I usually don't encourage that. It just gets the infobox too cluttered. I hope that helps. --Kumioko (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXV, July 2011
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NARA Requests
Hey, got your message. Yeah, I'm still trying to help out on the requests as much as possible. I've been out of town on vacation for the last week so I haven't had a chance to check much. I don't think there is anything new on the requests page, is there? Just let me know if there is something you'd like me to take a look for. BcNARApix (talk) 18:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, No I don't think theres anything new but I just wasn't sure if you were doing a residency for the summer and were gone or if you were still there so before I started adding requests I thought I would just ask. Thanks for the quick response. --Kumioko (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

DC Meetup 23
Hello! Just wanted to touch base and say that I'm interested in getting involved in DC Meetup 23 for the Wikipedia Loves Libraries event. There's at least a few of us over at Georgetown that would be interested, and the library here could definitely be considered as a venue if there are difficulties with the NA or LoC. Let me know if I can help at all beyond spreading the word. MyNameWasTaken (talk) 23:25, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, I made this template to use for the event. I will update it as plans become more solid. I'm new enough to the community that I wasn't sure where the best place to share the template for others to use, so maybe you could suggest a spot? =)

MyNameWasTaken (talk) 23:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's awesome thanks and I agree that Georgetown Library would be a great place. I appreciate your help in creating that template.--Kumioko (talk) 23:56, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion is requested in an open discussion
I invite you to participate in a discussion at Talk:Audie Murphy before it becomes an edit war. Thank you, in advance, Bullmoosebell (talk) 01:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Name-checked
Hi. I've wrapped the Milhist self-assessment (just pending any tweaks to the summary of the conversation) and, remembering your interest, have asked the US project to step up next. :) I just wanted to let you know that I name-checked you in that request. :D If you'd rather I didn't, please let me know and I'll scrub it, or you can just remove that bit yourself. I hope you're still interested. I've of course noticed how active you've been in furthering the work of that project, and I'd love to include your experiences (and those of your colleagues in that project) in my report! --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 13:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, yes absolutely still interested. No problem using my name thats fine, I will stop by and make some comments myself soon. --Kumioko (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

USCOTM Bot
Most of the code/infrastructure is in place for this; I just need to wrap up a few bits and it is ready for testing. I copied the functionality of the last bot, but just ot make sure it will be doing what you want: If you want different messages for WikiProjects and participants let me know, this is easy enough to do. I will take my usual approach to bot messages and shove them on-wiki so they can be updated easier.
 * It loads two messages, one for nomination & one for selection
 * Which goes to both WikiProjects & participants, both times
 * I set it to check for USnom tags on the article talk page (and add them if not) is this still required functionality?

Anything else you want it to do - whilst I am at it? :) --Errant (chat!) 19:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great thanks again for taking this on. I think we can use a generic one for projects or participants. Let me think about that and Ill get back with you later (possibly tomorrow) with the wording on those. I think one problem that the bot was having before was seeing that it already left a message so if it left one one day, the next day it would leave another one. Not sure if that ever got fixed. One way around that might be to add a flag or something to the nom/selection templates that the bot could remove once it left the message. Not sure whats easier for you to do or like I said if thats even an issue. --Kumioko (talk) 20:14, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed that. :) I have a fix that should work. I filed a BRFA to get things moving on the bureaucracy side --Errant (chat!) 21:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 00:11, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, approved for trial - so whenever you're ready with the messages (no rush) I can get testing. --Errant (chat!) 10:15, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, Here are the messages.

The messages I was thinking of are: For the nomination: Article, an article within the scope of this project, has been nominated to be the United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month for next Month Year. You can vote for this or other articles to be next months Collaboration of the Month here.

For the selection: "Article, an article within the scope of this project, has been selected as the United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month for current month year. All editors interested in improving this article are encouraged to participate. You can also vote for next months article of the Month here.

For the collaboration members notification: For the message to the members of the Collaboration I think just a simple message of "Article has been selected/nominated as the United States Wikipedians' Collaboration of the Month for current Month/next month Year"


 * Article = The article selected
 * current Month = the Month the article was selected.
 * Year = the year the article was selected.
 * next Month = the next Month after the article was selected.

I also asked the other primary maintainer of the collaboration to review it (Casliber) and they concurred. If you have any questions please let me know. Thanks again for doing this task for us.

Also, do you want me to add the Collaboration Candidate template to the Collab space yet? I have several good candidates. --Kumioko (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, I can work with that. By the way; there have been some questions raised at the BRFA about permission/scope of the notifications, could you pop over and have a look see if there is anything needing answering? I think they just need a bit of assurance --Errant (chat!) 08:26, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me
Returned from DC last night with a few shots, but I'm still behind in my mail.

Quick answers - contributing buildings can certainly have their own articles, but as far as the tables, we're pretty much limited to one row per listing (i.e. per Historic District). The "Annex" confused me, but in NRHP terms, I think this equates to a "boundary expansion" - so it's still one listing. Some HDs have 600 buildings in them, so you can see why we limit the rows!

The two Washington "Navy Yard" articles confused me at first, but I think one is the neighborhood outside the gates, and the other is the US gov't facility inside the gates. If so, this could be made clearer at the top, maybe with a hatnote.

BTW - the 100th anniversary of WWI is coming up. There's an official Museum in the UK trying to coordinate something (see if I can get the link - Imperial War Museum http://www.1914.org/centenary/ http://www.iwm.org.uk/ ) and WP:GLAM has an interest (lots of European museums have material on this for some reason). I figure you have a big interest as well. Smallbones (talk) 00:32, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm no expert on DC neighborhoods, but I have had lots of problems on Philly neighborhoods (where there are no official neighborhoods) and even on Chicago neighborhoods (where they are official). In general, I think some overlap on neighborhoods is to be expected, since they change over time.  If I had to decide on this, I'd


 * keep Washington Navy Yard separate, since it is a gov't facility
 * keep Navy Yard, Washington, D.C., but make sure everybody realizes it is a neighborhood
 * probably merge Capitol Riverfront into above - but maybe keep as a business/community organization
 * merge Yards park into one of the two above.

Hope that helps,

Smallbones (talk) 02:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Newsletter/August 2011 listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect WikiProject United States/Newsletter/August 2011. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Newsletter/August 2011 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Kumioko (talk) 14:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of WikiProject United States/Newsletter/March 2011
WikiProject United States/Newsletter/March 2011, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Newsletter/March 2011 and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of WikiProject United States/Newsletter/March 2011 during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Kumioko (talk) 15:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

MOH images
Sounds like an interesting project, I would be willing to help out. I don't have a comprehensive list, all I have is an incomplete list of generals who have no images or only small images here. Over at Commons I've been slowly uploading images from the Deeds of Valor books, you can see my progress on my userpage. — jwillbur 20:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the quick response. I could use the help frankly so I will let you know once I get a little more going. Good job on the task you've been working on in commons. --Kumioko (talk) 20:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Kumioko/Portal United States pages needing WPUS tag
User:Kumioko/Portal United States pages needing WPUS tag, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Kumioko/Portal United States pages needing WPUS tag and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User:Kumioko/Portal United States pages needing WPUS tag during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Kumioko (talk) 00:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * == MfDs ==

Hey Kumioko, if you need an uncontroversial page deletion, let me know and I'll do it for you rather than the hassle of MfD'ing it. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 00:40, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok great thanks. I guess one of these days I probably should resubmit an RFA. As much as I really don't want to go through he hassle and drama of the process I could really use the tools and although I still probably wouldn't meddle much in adminish stuff it would probably save some work for others like yourself. Who knows I might even be able to help out with some of the admin stuff from time to time. Thanks again. --Kumioko (talk) 00:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, next time, you should use db-g7 for speedy deletion instead of MfDs. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  00:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah your right there. --Kumioko (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Something is causing subpages to expand
Hi-something in the formatting is causing the subpages to expand way out to the right on the WPUSA project's main pg. I don't know if there needs to be 'nowrap' type bullets within the sub-projects pg, or what. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:25, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's strange though I don't see that on mine. --Kumioko (talk) 03:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's because you need to view it in wonderful IE. Something like this happened at Portal:United States/Related portals, where the nowrap bullet template needed to be added to prevent the unwanted expansion. And no, that last chg didn't do anything unfortunately. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok Ill look at it in IE. Using Firefox. --Kumioko (talk) 03:39, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * See: Line break handling (the bottom of that section), with IE, you need to use the nowrap begin series of templates to prevent the unwanted expansion. For some reason, the IE browser doesn't work that same way that Firefox does. (shouldn't surprise anyone, right??!!) --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks...Wow...has it really been messed up since August 3rd...I guess that tells us how many folks are looking at the project page these days! --Kumioko (talk) 03:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, see the diff. Use nowrap begin before that list and then use the dot w template after each entry, then nowrap end, that should work, like the code in the Portal example above. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. Ill fix it tomorrow. Its midnight here and I'm starting to fade. I would try and fix it tonight but since its been this for almost a month and knowone mentioned it till now I figure it can wait another 6 hours. --Kumioko (talk) 04:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, get some sleep!! --Funandtrvl (talk) 04:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just looked at the page this morning on another machine (running the ancient IE7) and the formatting of the page looks fine so it must be in the newer versions of IE. --Kumioko (talk) 13:31, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, I'm running IE9. Do you want me to try to fix it or are you working on it already? --Funandtrvl (talk) 14:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to try and fix it please be my guest. I can't see the problem on the computer I am using at the moment so I wouldn't be able to look at it until tonight. --Kumioko (talk) 14:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, think it's fixed now. Had to set up main project pg like a portal page, because the wikitable was missing some width parameters. (see diff) The div tags seems easier to work with than the table code does. Also, on the related project subpg, I put the formatting code, such as the triple for bolding, inside of the 'Funandtrvl (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing that and for noticing it. I guess thats probably why it didn't get brought up sooner cause most folks aren't using 9 yet. --Kumioko (talk) 17:42, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Geotagging road junction lists
Thanks for your note. I opposed the proposal and explained my position here. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

AWB wikiproject names
While I'm remembering

KHI -> WikiProject Karachi    WPPOLAND -> WikiProject Poland Bgwhite (talk) 08:14, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes your right on those 2. --Kumioko (talk) 13:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you - Re: U.S. Figure Skating
I sincerely appreciate the feedback and your time to look at the the U.S. Figure Skating article. Would you kindly provide some detailed feedback or recommendations so that I may work to improve the overall quality. As a quick aside, I noticed that articles are give a score based on their importance and quality. The score for the U.S. Figure Skating article has been "stuck" at 647, since before some major additions and revisions. How does one improve an article's score? Thank you again! Jcflnj (talk) 13:14, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Kentucky
The activity on WikiProject Kentucky has been disappointing of late. I'm still working on Kentucky-related articles, but I almost feel as though I'm doing so in a complete vacuum. What would be involved in WP:United States "supporting" the project? Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 16:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that's the way many of the projects are at the moment and how many of the editors within them feel including myself at one point which is why I restarted WikiProject United States about a year ago. Here's a fairly short but hopefully sufficient outline of how the project will be affected which can also depend on what the members of the project want.


 * First let me say that the project page with members stay basically as they are with the members able to dictate how things happen, scope of the project, etc. Its not going to be absorbed or dissolved in any way and speaking on scope won't change unless the members want it too. The main change would be that the WikiProject banner would be replaced with the WPUS banner. You can take a look at Category talk:Visitor attractions in South Carolina to see an example of what it would look like. All the projects would use the full capability of the template and have a standardized group of parameters (Needs infobox, image, attention, geo coordinaates, etc) it also reduces the number of banners cluttering up the talk page of the articles, allows various bots to do their business, etc. All the projects use the same article classes.


 * Basically WPUS is a bigger project with a lot more members, it has a newsletter, a monthly collaboration, multiple bots that run actively through the articles for various things (as can be seen on the members page) with more being setup as we go along. This means that it will be seen by a lot of people in a lot of ways and edits to the articles will be continuous improving the articles in various ways. I have also been making sure that certain project specific bots are setup on the project pages (like popular articles, Article alerts, recognized content, etc.). Up till now we have mostly been concentrating on building up the projects infrastructure but soon we are going to be starting to do some drives to build up articles, create new ones, etc. I hope this helps. With all that said if the project members aren't interested in support thats fine. This is just a suggestion and knowone is forcing anyone to do anything. --Kumioko (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For my part, that sounds good, as long as bots like AlexNewArtBot, TedderBot, and AAlertBot continue to function normally. I do rely on those to keep me abreast of what's going on within the project (again, since the actual project pages get very little traffic anymore). By all means, see if you get any further response, but I doubt you will. You might check specifically with User:FloNight, User:Willking1979, and User:J654567. They are among the more active Wikipedians I run into on Kentucky-related stuff. For WP:Louisville, you might check with User:Bedford if you don't get any response on the project talk page. User:Stevietheman used to be really active there too, but he isn't around much anymore. Acdixon (talk • contribs • count) 18:09, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

John McLennon
I started this and noticed you do a lot of MOH stuff. If you can improve this and maybe even nom it for DYK that'd be appreciate. Pumpkin Sky  talk  18:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: User talk:9cep22202@sneakemail.com
Hello Kumioko. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of User talk:9cep22202@sneakemail.com, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Criterion G8 "does not include pages which are useful to the project such as user talk pages". Thank you. Logan Talk Contributions 02:24, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I resubmitted as a combination U2 and G6. --Kumioko (talk) 02:28, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Bot
USCOTM bot is still on my agenda - but I got dumped with a publishing deadline in Real Life so I don't have time this week to code. Next weekend :) Ping me if I go quiet on it. --Errant (chat!) 15:49, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem I understand. I got a paper due on Saturday also so I will be editing much less the next few days myself while I draft that up. --Kumioko (talk) 15:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:Wikipedia Loves Libraries
Hi Kumioko! Nice to see Meetup/DC 25 getting launched. Would you like to create some welcome and collaboration spaces for the various local efforts at WP:USA (with maybe both local and national collaborations)?--Pharos (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure no problem, do you have any examples of one thats already been created I can use as a guide or do I need to create something from scratch. --Kumioko (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Pre-RFC straw poll
There is a brief straw poll to see if conducting a RFC on the question of coordinates in road articles is worthwhile at WT:RJL. Your input would be appreciated. --Rschen7754 08:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

September 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 03:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Error?
I still watch the talk page for and noticed you left a WikiProject US newsletter there - Clair has not edited in over 3 years, and officially left Wikipedia about 5 years ago. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 12:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, then she must be a member of WikiProject Ohio. I'll fix that. Thats one of the projects that WikiProejct United States supports and the only one I didn't have a chance to identify the inactive members. Quite a few of which are inactive. please let me know if you notice any others. --Kumioko (talk) 12:11, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:WikiProject Status


A tag has been placed on Template:WikiProject Status, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia for multiple reasons. Please see the page to see the reasons. If the page has since been deleted, you can ask me the reasons by leaving a message on my user talk page.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Kumioko (talk) 13:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject United States/Newsletter/September 2011
I'm glad you are keeping this up, good work. jorgenev 02:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks, I missed last month due to real life but hopefully that shouldn't happen too often. Please let me know if you have any ideas. --Kumioko (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox/Todo
Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox/Todo has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kumioko (talk) 11:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox/Todo


A tag has been placed on Template:WikiProject United States/sandbox/Todo, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia for multiple reasons. Please see the page to see the reasons. If the page has since been deleted, you can ask me the reasons by leaving a message on my user talk page.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Kumioko (talk) 11:37, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Self-assessment stuff revisited
Hi. :) I just wanted to let you know that even though the project at large doesn't seem to have embraced the self assessment idea, I really do appreciate your willingness to raise your hand. Since we know that one of the hardest parts of working on Wikipedia is getting people interested, I realize that I may not get a lot of responses from project per se, but I am thinking about at some point launching a general evaluation of project experiences with similar questions but less engineered towards "how is this project doing" and more towards "what are your experiences with projects". If the WMF agrees that this would be valuable, would you be willing to join in that? I think your perspective would be very helpful there. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 12:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be great. Just let me know and I would be glad to drop my comments. For what its worth from working with WPUS and related projects the 2 things I hear the most is that X project doesn't do enough so they stopped participating in them or that X project was always pushing X, Y or Z. So it seems that one needs to find that balance between activity and being pushy. I have been working to try and bring some of the less active (and some others that are very active that wanted too) US related projects under the support of the larger WikiProject United States in an attempt to fix some of that. Hopefully in the next month or 2 I will be able to start recuiting and getting some activity in some of these as well as workin gon building up some article content. --Kumioko (talk) 13:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * All right; I'll pitch the idea, although WMF works like a real business, which means that it may be a while before it gets worked out. :D --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * For whats its worth I have also found that there are certain times of the year that people seem most prone to leave and not come back (October through December) and there are certain years or points in time that seem to have spikes as well. AS in the example above there seemed to be a lot of folks who stopped editing about the October - December 2010 time frame so if someone was to look at those trends and determine what happened (perhaps significant chanegs in policy) then you could likely derive some theories as to what caused them to leave, how to keep it from happening in the future and how to get some of them back. --Kumioko (talk) 12:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes you answered my questions
Yes, Kumioko, you did give a great answer to my question about bringing the Wikiproject North Carolina into the WP US fold. Sounds like a good plan to try to build up more activity for our project(s). Thank you -- JoannaSerah (talk) 20:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Like your new user page
Cool! --Tomwsulcer (talk) 04:06, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I still got some work to do and in fairness I used the template that I saw on someone else's page so I can't take all the credit. --Kumioko (talk) 04:10, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I seconded it. It is a very clean and gets your attention. Bgwhite (talk) 07:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Mass page creation

 * (copied from unrelated thread elsewhere)

But it isn't clear about what constitutes a page creation either, it would seem that whenever someone wanted to argue it a talk page, category, template, etc could all be considered a page. So if I go and add a WPUS banner to 200 red linked talk pages I could be put on the naughty list. Plus that rule gets thrown in peoples faces so much it needs to be clarified or removed. I'm tired of seeing people getting clubbed with a rule that never got a consensus and was put there because knowone opposed it. --Kumioko (talk) 18:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What is clear (to me anyway), is that if someone creates close to one hundred pages of very dubious quality, who is already restricted from the mass creation of pages because in the past they created masses of pages of dubious quality, and there is no indication that they are going to stop to actually clean up those pages themselves, and plan to create more pages that will require hefty cleanup by other editors, then some corrective action needs taking.
 * Addition of WikiProject tags to pages in project scope has demonstrable consensus. – xeno talk 18:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned before theres no point in arguing about it because knowone really cares what I have to say about the issue anyway. You and Fram have followed him around and submitted so many baseless and weak arguments for why he should be blocked (amidst the 2 or 3 that were valid) that its destroyed the whole credibility of wether he should be blocked or not. Thats why people have stopped commenting outside the same 3 or 4. There tired of seeing it time and time again and for stupid reasons. If we look at someones edits long enough were gonna find something. When you do 10, 000+ edits a month there are gonna be some bad calls in there. He has done some dumb stuff but when you add one good one in with 4 stupid ones it discredits the whole submission. --Kumioko (talk) 18:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't think I've written about or looked at Rich's contributions since February. At some point I just gave up in frustration. But when someone continues to make problematic edits, despite being asked to stop, despite having community restrictions mandating that they stop, yet continues to make problematic edits that are entirely avoidable, yes, a block is indicated. – xeno talk 19:25, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:3013nanoo3013/Should Animals Be Taken From There Natural Habitats For Zoos?
Hello Kumioko. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:3013nanoo3013/Should Animals Be Taken From There Natural Habitats For Zoos?, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a valid speedy—take it to WP:MFD. Thank you. — G FOLEY   F OUR!  — 02:21, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem thanks for letting me know. --Kumioko (talk) 02:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXVI, August 2011
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Request Partially Completed
May want to take a look when you get a chance if you'd like; will have the uploads completed in a few hours. Sorry it took me so long. GLAM/NARA/Requests. BcNARApix (talk) 21:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Alaska
My questions are answered for now. Since I'm a pretty new and informal member, I want to hold off and see if anyone else speaks up one way or another. My own opinion is not formed yet.Dankarl (talk) 21:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem please let me know if you have any more questions or concerns. I am trying to determine which projects are going to be supported and not by the end of the month so next month we can focus on improvements. Not to say we wouldn't support another after that but I want to try and put the bulk of that work behind us. --Kumioko (talk) 00:23, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

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Dch eagle  00:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Utah todo list
I notice you recently created WikiProject Utah/to do‎. I just wanted to let you know that the actual todo list has always been maintained (for some reason, possibly having to do with its transclusion) on the talk page. Ntsimp (talk) 20:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Good to know thanks. Do you think anyone would have a problem if I moved it to the other location. That would allow it to be the same WikiProject x/to do as the rest of the supported projects. --Kumioko (talk) 20:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This also makes the logic in the template easier to maintain because they all use the same logic structure like this:

}}}}{{#if:{{{Utah|{{{UT|}}}}}}|{{WPBannerMeta/hooks/todolist |TODO_TITLE = WikiProject Utah To-do |TODO_LINK = Wikipedia:WikiProject Utah/to do --Kumioko (talk) 20:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I bet I'm the only one watchlisting the talk page. I think it's just fine, as long as the new page keeps being transcluded where the old one has been. Ntsimp (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolutely no problem, thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 23:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Empty categories
My apologies. Maybe I'm going through them a little too quickly without looking at what they are first. It is not my intention to annoy you greatly. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, no biggie I just saw them pop up and thougth I would drop a note. Frankly I expected it to happen eventually because I didn't put the administrative category template on there but maybe I need too. --Kumioko (talk) 17:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients
Sorry brother, didn't know it was going for featured. I fully trust your judgement, therefore feel free to revert my changes, I will be fine with it. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, sorry I didn't get back to it sooner I got sorta side tracked the last couple months working on the WikiProject United States stuff. I am hopding to get back to it soon, there are 3 or 4 Medal of Honor lists that are pretty close. --Kumioko (talk) 18:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:US support of 9/11.
I'm a newbie member, but I'm all for it. | help dןǝɥ  | 19:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 19:09, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Sad news
Dear friend, I have been told by User:Bahamut0013 wife Ashley that Robert is no longer with us and that he passed away last night. I know that you interacted with him in the past and therefore I would like for you to know that I left a message on his page: User talk:Bahamut0013. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh wow that's sucks, that's terrible news. Thank you very much for telling me though. --Kumioko (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about your friend. Salute to all who honorably serve. Pumpkin Sky   talk  21:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 21:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd like to offer my sincere sympathy to you Kumioko, I hope you will be alright. It makes me think I spend too much time on Wiki, and not enough time outdoors enjoying real life whilst I still can. Penyulap   talk 05:32, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

...huh?
Why did you place this? There is no problem with the name of the image; it is the name of the album and the most ideal location for it.

I also don't see a way to protest the tag, so I am reverting the edit and noting this discussion in doing so. No one usage of the name is more important than the other, so why go about moving files when one already has the name? CycloneGU (talk) 00:50, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there is another image with the same or a very similar name so its confusing. Perhaps renaming it to say album at the end might be helpful? --Kumioko (talk) 01:00, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Once it's in the article it should be in, it should never be an issue what the name is. The image could be called thisimageiscute.jpg but once placed in the article the once it's needed, you should never have to change it again or can refer to the history to find what it was.  What exactly is the image that is a problem?  If it's a picture of a band, it could just use (band) on the end, for instance.  There's no need fixing something that ain't broken.  CycloneGU (talk) 01:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok so heres the problem. There are 2 images with nearly identical names. Both for different bands.
 * File:Heavenandhell.jpg and File:HeavenAndHell.JPG. So you say theres no need to fix what isn't broken but I am saying that having 2 images for different bands with this close of a title is broken. Precede or end the title with the band and voile the answer is clear. With out the band name though its anyones guess as to what it is. I hope this helps to clarify. --Kumioko (talk) 02:04, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That's the beauty (or problem, take your pick) of Wikipedia; being able to use upper and lower case for different titles.  The question is whether either really needs to be changed; I could argue that the one I didn't upload should be changed, but the response would be similar to mine.  Like I said, once they're both in their articles, there shouldn't be a problem, so who cares?  As long as the images aren't moving about elsewhere, it doesn't really matter, does it?  I point out again, there is no rule in situations like this, either.  CycloneGU (talk) 04:02, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * One of them should really be changed as it does invite confusion. Personally, they should be both changed to reflect the artist as the title is common and for search engines to categorize them better.  There is actually guidance when an image name should be changed.  Both images should be moved to commons ASAP.  No images should be in Wikipedia space, but moved to commons... this  month's drive is todo just that.  They will rename an image's name if one is already on commons with the same name regardless of upper or lower case... and there are already alot with the same name.  So, just move to commons with a more descriptive name before it gets done for you with a name you may not like. Bgwhite (talk) 05:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ...wait, what? I had never heard of this drive until you mentioned it.  With that said, however, it appears non-free use images cannot be transferred to Commons.  The image tagged in this case is an album cover meant for use only to help describe the album it represents, which is considered fair use on the English Wikipedia.  I do not believe it qualifies for use on Commons, which is - well - use on everything.  Correct me if I am mistaken?  I will also contact Ebe123 with this question directing him here.  CycloneGU (talk) 23:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Kumioko here -- names are practically identical. Makes sense to rename.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Rename maybe, but I disagree with the comment about moving to Commons. They are licensed for the purposes used for on the English Wikipedia only, not on other Wikis.  Such images ought to stay on the English Wikipedia, not cleared to a common "storage unit" like I would do with my MP3 collection.
 * We also must consider that someone will upload something else with this title one day seeing the name is not taken. What then?  A historical version of the compilation album will show the devil heading towards the Pearly Gates or something or other instead of an album cover...but knowing that could happen by sheer accident (or intent to vandalize), renaming might be more appropriate.  But it's not necessary to run a request through an admin.  I'll rename it myself if need be; I uploaded it and know where it's used, and can clean up after the change.  I'd hate for it to move, I not check in, then it's deleted because the image is "orphaned" not being used in an article.  CycloneGU (talk) 02:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Your image can't be moved to Commons because of fair use. Bgwhite (talk) 06:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Wanted to ask about AfD and vandalism
Since you've been helpful in other areas, I thought I'd ask you about this issue I have. I don't know if you are an admin, but I am concerned by some recent edits by two users. Southern jew (talk) and 69.84.121.52 (talk). I don't know if they are really related (i.e. sock puppets), but their edits seem to be disruptive. My main concern are two articles that have no references. Stephen B. Jacobsohn and RSC Brands (please also see Radiator Specialty Company which was redirected to RSC Brands). Both articles are unreferenced and the user keeps taking tags off of page. The Jacobsohn page especially has blatantly false information which the IP listed above used to edit other pages with incorrect info (I removed some per BLP). I guess what I am asking is how to go about proposing an AfD. I have looked into the Wikipages about this some (Think I would use a db-g3 tag), but don't know if I should be an admin or if I need to put the tag on the page and then post about it somewhere else. The RSC Brands page maybe, but I am mainly concerned about the Jacobsohn page since it is possibly a WP:BLP issues as well. I re-added the unreferenced tag to RSC Brands which the page creator removed and placed a BLP unsourced tag on Jacobsohn, but want to know if I can do more or if someone else needs to. Thank you for your help. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 16:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I will certainly try and help as much as I can. No I am not an administrator. First I looked at the articles and they seem to me to be a notable but its weak. They certainly aren't speedy delete candidates but I don't think they would pass a regular AFD either. You are welcome to try though and no you don't need to be an admin to recommend an article for AFD. Only to actually delete it. The easiest way to submit an article for AFD is using twinkle but you can do it manually as well by following the directions at the AFD page. If you want I will submit them on your behalf when I get home tonight but as I mentioned above I'm not sure they would pass. The notability is pretty weak even by my inclusionist standards though so its very possible that others may feel they lack notability and delete them. As far as the vandal question the edit history for both those editors you point to is a little worrysome but it appears to be mostly honest edits and they just may not understand the rules here. I think it might be worth bringing this issue to the ANI noticeboard and get a broader discussion going from some of the vandal fighting admins to see what the group thinks. If it was me I would start with excalating warnings and then go to a block but thats just me. I hope this helps. --Kumioko (talk) 16:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, this does help. I am just going to watch these for a little while and see what the user is doing. If they start reverting tags,adding more strange info and give no response to messages, I will pursue it further. Thank you -- JoannaSerah (talk) 00:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. If you want me to submit them for AFD just let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 01:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Could use some help.
Hi I have just compleated the merger of WikiProject University of Oklahoma With WikiProject Oklahoma. And I need to replace the banners and what not but I dont know how to do it. Could you do it your tell me how to do it.-- Dch eagle  01:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Idea for you
Hey Kumioko! Looking at the rather long lennnnnnnngggggtttthhhh of your user talk page, I was wondering whether you might consider having one of those bot thingies automatically archive it. I added one to my user talk page recently and it seems to be working fine (so far). If interested, check out this: User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. You just put the code at the top and then it pretty much takes over; but I'm not all that knowledgeable how it works. What happens when the user page gets too long is that people get reluctant to write on it since the page takes so long to load (or maybe this is how you prefer it? :) ) Anyway just a suggestion, and hope you're doing fine there wherever you are. One of your Kumioko fans.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 19:59, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

News and progress from RfA reform 2011
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The number of nominations continues to nosedive seriously, according to  these monthly figures. We know why this is, and if the trend continues our reserve of active admins will soon be underwater. Wikipedia now needs suitable editors to come forward. This can only be achieved either through changes to the current system, a radical alternative, or by fiat from elsewhere.

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 * 1) Improving the environment  that  surrounds RfA in  order to  encourage mature, experienced editors of the right  calibre to  come forward, pass the interview, and dedicate some of their  time to  admin  tasks.
 * 2) Discouraging, in the nicest  way  possible of course, those whose RfA will be obvious NOTNOW or SNOW, and to  guide them towards the advice pages.

We already know what's wrong with RfA - let's not clutter the project with perennial chat. RFA2011 is now ready to propose some of the elements of reform, and all the task force needs to do now is to pre-draft those proposals in the project's workspace, agree on the wording, and then offer them for central discussion where the entire Wikipedia community will be more than welcome to express their opinions in  order to  build consensus.

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you very much. --Kumioko (talk) 00:05, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Milhist FA, A-Class and Peer Reviews Jul-Sep 2011

 * Thank you very much. --Kumioko (talk) 00:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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Dch eagle  00:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

File:LookUpInTheSky
Your rename suggestion is fine. It's only used in a couple of places, and the specific name is not all that important. Go ahead and do it (unless someone beats you to it). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:04, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

AWB
At present AWB will not work from seatting behind proxy? or is there any way out...!

I am tryig to connect AWB (AutoWikiBrowser 5.3.1.0) to wikipedia from seatting behind proxy. I have IE configured for the proxy and the login name and password is also saved in the authentication box of browser (IE) but it gives 407 Proxy Authentication required  error message when i start AWB. Please help. Rahuldeshmukh101 (talk) 05:14, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Nathaniel G. S. Hart
I noticed you've posted on Talk:WikiProject Kentucky and also that you seem to have an interest in military history/biographies, so I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving the Hart article an assessment on either the WikiProject Kentucky ratings scale or a re-assessment of it on the WikiProject Military history's assessment scale. Shearonink (talk) 01:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Kumioko, I'm not sure why you have rated that as "start" class; it appears to meet all requirements of C-class, at least - and probably B-class.

It's been rated "B-class" by MilHist.

Can you please re-check, and/or explain your rating? Thanks,  Chzz  ► 04:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took so long to reply, very busy IRL these days. Feel free to change it if you disagree. No worries here. I think C would be fine but I would argue that since it has no images and seems a little short of some coverage it isn't quite B yet. --Kumioko (talk) 21:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks, I've changed it to 'C'. No problem about being busy; there's no deadline! But...one day, in the future, it'd be very helpful if you could take a look, and outline any specific things that need improvement for B-class on the talk page. Thanks again,  Chzz  ► 10:54, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure no problem. --Kumioko (talk) 20:19, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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Subscribing a non-user talkpage to the WPUS newsletter
Interesting question for you: If I wanted to subscribe a "Wikipedia talk:" page for delivery of the WikiProject US newsletter, how would I go about doing it? The reason being, I'd like to subscribe the WikiProject Report's talk page to all active WikiProject newsletters. -Mabeenot (talk) 18:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem just add it to the list of non members wanting the newsletter here. --Kumioko (talk) 18:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats perfect when I get the new one out Ill make sure it gets on there. --Kumioko (talk) 18:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

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You're back
Hi, I see you're almost back from the long Wikibreak. How was it? JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  22:59, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yeah just poking around at the moment but hopefully Ill be back in full swing soon. It was ok, was doing a lot of travelling (mississippi, Seattle, New Orleans, etc.) so it was hard to access the internet and it was busy. --Kumioko (talk) 23:51, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know your busy, I've posted a proposal to add United States comics work group of WikiProject Comics under WikiProject United States which appears to be inactive or semi active, but no response. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  19:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think its fine to go ahead and add it. I would recommend adding a notice on both projects talk pages and see who speaks up. --Kumioko (talk) 13:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: AWB question
The field that I want to remove is the skin color field of Infobox adult biography. I don't know how to create a custom module in AWB.

Sorry for the delay but you caught me at the beginning of my weekend. I head back to work tomorrow which is when I'll be able to devote some time to this again. Dismas |(talk) 23:23, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem at all I have only had moments at a time to edit lately myself. I'm hopeing thatll change in the next couple weeks but not sure. Has anyone modified the template to deprecate that paramater into a category. That would be a fairly easy way to identify which ones need to be eliminated. I can make the module for you and let you know how to implement it. It should only short time. Ill try and get that done in the next day or 2. --Kumioko (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't want it deprecated into a category. The field should just be removed.  Dismas |(talk) 21:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What I mean is if we create a temporary category to deprecate that field then we only have to look at that category to find the ones that need to be removed rather than pull in every single article that infobox links too. Then we can just delete the category. Either way its no problem to me. Just a suggestion. Ill get you the code later today. I already wrote it I just wanna test it a little more first. --Kumioko (talk) 13:36, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry it took so long but I think I got it for you. I also added in a little logic to replace redircts of the Infobox template to the actual Infobox template in case you run by those. I added 2 lines for the removal of the field. One if the field is blank and one if the Field contains white or black as a skin color. If you find another skin color (Blue, green, tan, etc) just add it in. You will need to separate them with a |.

If you copy the code below, then open and login to AWB, then go to tools and make module, replace the contents with the code below and select C# from the drop down, check the Enabled and Check width font boxes and then hit the make module button you should be good to go. public string ProcessArticle(string ArticleText, string ArticleTitle, int wikiNamespace, out string Summary, out bool Skip) { Skip = false; Summary = ""; //Infobox; Cleanup redirects ArticleText = Regex.Replace(ArticleText, @"{{\s*(Adult[ _]+bio|Adult[ _]+biography|Female[ _]+adult[ _]+bio|Infobox[ _]+adult[ _]+female|Infobox [ _]+adult[ _]+male|Male[ _]+adult[ _]+bio)\s*([\|}{<\n])", "{{Infobox adult biography$2", RegexOptions.IgnoreCase); //Delete some deprecated Infobox parameters ArticleText = Regex.Replace(ArticleText, @"\|[ ]*skin[ _]+color[ ]*=\s*\r*([\|}{<\n])", "$1", RegexOptions.IgnoreCase); ArticleText = Regex.Replace(ArticleText, @"\|[ ]*skin[ _]+color[ ]*=[ ]*(White|Black)\r*([\|}{<\n])", "$2", RegexOptions.IgnoreCase); return ArticleText; }

Please let me know if you have any questions or if you need me to add other Infoboxes, parameters or fix other problems. Also, for what its worth I think this template should be merged into either Person or Actor/Actress. --Kumioko (talk) 14:54, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help with this. We were able to clear out the deprecated fields.  Thanks again, Dismas |(talk) 05:54, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  21:30, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanksgiving
Happy Thanksgiving, Kumioko!--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 18:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)



Pioneer (train)
Hi there. I noticed your recent edit to Pioneer (train) and I'm wondering why you removed three empty parameters from. Best, Mackensen (talk) 02:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm that's interesting, I didn't realize that template had those three fields in it. I was actually targeting those fields in some other templates so Ill have to go back and refine my code some more. I basically just remove some parameters that have low usage if they are missing. They can always be added back if needed but in some articles people have placed large lists of empty parameters and it can be confusing to some editors, makes the article much bigger and harder to edit. Thanks for letting me know. Aside from that, there doesn't seem to be much need for these in this article so no harm done I don't think. --Kumioko (talk) 03:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks for the quick reply. Mackensen (talk) 03:11, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

List of Playboy Playmates of 2007
I've reverted your edit to this article. Check the edit history. You seem to have broken more than you were fixing. Dismas |(talk) 06:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Utah transition breaks requested photo category
As part of transitioning away from the WikiProject Utah banner, the  parameter was broken. So now the only pages included in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Utah are those that had a separate reqphoto. Fortunately, I think that was most of them, but there are still a number of pages no longer listed in the category. Ntsimp (talk) 04:21, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out. The WPUS banner also has the needs photo ability and once I get all the articles tagged I am going to run through them and add those parameters back again. I think this is a good example of why its good to have both the Image needed template as well as the needs-photo type parameter in the WikiProject templates. it acts as a good checks and balances in cases like this. I am also going to go through and do the seem thing for needs infobox and a few other things as well. Please let me know if you notice anything else. --Kumioko (talk) 04:48, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

History of Brown University tagging
Shouldn't it be Rhode Island not South Carolina? DMacks (talk) 09:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks good catch I fixed it. Please let me know if you see anyting else. Kumioko (talk) 13:49, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick-fix. Happy editing, DMacks (talk) 14:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Retired
You appear to be active again. The retired template is not appropriate for an active user.— cyberpower Chat Online 20:22, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. I am going back into a retired status again. I only edited because of the block against Rich and a couple of other things that came up but I am logging back off again. Kumioko (talk) 20:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I just hate that you retired. And I will miss you terribly.  I've learned a lot from you. But I respect your right to do so. — Maile  (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Unfortunately editing is becoming too much of a struggle. Kumioko (talk) 00:26, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's those birds of prey again, isn't it? — Maile (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really, its just the general demeanor of some of the editors that make life miserable here. It might be different if I was just a newby editor with no desire to do anything but minor edits but I'm not. Since a lot of the content that I work with is protected I have to ask for someone else to implement it, and then frequently have to explain the edit to the "trusted" admin because they don't understand it and I am not trusted to have the tools. I can't block vandals, I cannot protect a page I see being repeatedly vandalized. I have a couple that where vandalized last week that no one has noticed or reverted or even left a notice on the vandal who did it's page yet. I'm curious to see how long it takes one of the "trusted" admins to notice. Once it took them 3 months. That's the kinda stuff I'm tired of. I can't edit too quickly because someone will get upset, etc. I have learned as much as I can and I cannot continue to learn and grow and help out so its time for me to go. I just don't have a positive attitude about the project anymore and I don't think I need to keep contributing to something that doesn't really want me too. Even if some editors like you make me feel otherwise. I do appreciate it. I'm just tired. Kumioko (talk) 01:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Understood. But greatly saddened by this. I'd rather deal with you than probably 90% of any others.  — Maile  (talk) 01:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ironically I think 90% of the editors on here would rather deal with anyone else but me. :-)Kumioko (talk) 01:52, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has many issues that keep it from ever being what it could - rampant vandalism, competency issues - but the biggest obstacle of all is the God complex that seems to be so omnipresent at WP. Perhaps my ego was never large enough to push your buttons. I just feel we worked well together, without either of us irritating the other.  It was good while it lasted. — Maile  (talk) 02:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well in truth, although some may disagree, I typically only got agitated when I felt someone was violating a policy and it was being overlooked at the cost of another editor. Since this was most common with admins who felt oftentimes their decisions were above reproach, I ruffled a few feathers. I agree I also thought we worked well together. Kumioko (talk) 02:57, 11 November 2012 (UTC)