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July 2016
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Comparison of wireless site survey applications
Dear Kurob60,

You wrote:

"Hi, like the inputs below, I am new to WP and was only trying to add what I beleive is legitimate information. I wasnt trying to start an edit war. The first messaage I got back told me my inputs had been rejected automatically and I should re enter them. Next thing I know is I am being accused of an edit war when I am guilty of nothing more than ignorance of WP. What do I need to do to get my edits added?"

Ok, no problem, let me explain:

1. The history of your WP contributions and the fact that you know the product price (not published anywhere) makes me think that you are related to Ranplan and you might have added information about your own company's product/service. Such activities are in violation of the WP rules. I quote:

"You are discouraged from writing articles about yourself or organizations (including their campaigns, clients, products and services) in which you hold a vested interest. If you feel that there is material within an existing article which is incorrect or not neutral, please point this out on the article's talk page. Likewise, if you have content which you think should be added, please discuss this on the talk page. Using the template "Request edit" will help draw attention to your request. The COI guideline very strongly discourages direct article editing, particularly if you have a financial conflict of interest; see WP:NOPAY."

If that's the case, then the answer to your question, "What do I need to do to get my edits added," is that your edits shouldn't be added in the first place. If that's not the case, please consider the following list items.

2. The WP page in question, "Comparison of wireless site survey applications," is dedicated to Wi-Fi site survey tools, i.e. the tools that can generally (a) *measure* actual WLAN characteristics passively, (b) perform active throughput testing and (c) may or may not necessarily allow to model virtual WLAN environments (aka predictive surveys). iBuildNet is totally unheard of in the industry (I failed to find any references to it in any books related to the subject), but a brief Google search makes me think that iBuildNet meets only criterion (c). In other words, it's a modelling tool, but it's not a site survey tool in the sense that it cannot do (a) and (b). Consider creating a vendor-neutral page dedicated to modelling tools on WP. On this page, iBuildNet appears to be out of place.

3. If you are adding information on a product, your information must be supported by references. All references should point to independent sources. Give a reference to a book. Give a reference to an article in a reputable online magazine. Don't give references to the company site or company press releases. Without independent sources of information, your contributions are "original research". Original research should not be used in WP articles.

4. Speaking of the specific facts, you put "Yes" in almost all of the table columns. For example, you claim that iBuildNet supports simultaneous active and passive surveys. Where did you get this information? What adapter models are supported by the application? I found nothing on the subject, no references. You claim that iBuildNet supports active surveys. Where did you get this information? What kind of throughput testing is performed? What metrics are recorded in the course of an active survey? Again, I found nothing on the subject, no references. It's more or less ok to add such info without references when you deal with a popular product, where pertaining technical info is abundant. For example, it's very easy to find info on active surveys in Ekahau or TamoGraph (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96RZJTESwZA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVT7NAnBEg). But when you want to add a product that is not widely popular, then please do provide references, not original research. The same applies to all other product features and its price.

I can go on about other problems with your contribution, but I don't have much time. Anyway... I believe that your edits cannot be accepted due to lack of independent references and wrong facts and, most importantly, that the WP page "Comparison of wireless site survey applications" is the wrong place for iBuildNet. I kindly request that you not revert my and other people's edits concerning this product. If you disagree with this request, please follow the dispute resolution procedure so that we could invite more experts and discuss this issue openly.

WiFiEngineer (talk) 12:20, 13 July 2016 (UTC)