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AfD Nomination: Lee Behnken
I've nominated the article Lee Behnken for deletion under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Lee Behnken satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I have explained why in the nomination space (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Lee Behnken. Don't forget to add four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of each of your comments to sign them. You are free to edit the content of Lee Behnken during the discussion, but please do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top). Doing so will not end the discussion. Tevildo 05:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * On reading the AfD debate I think this artist could be notable, but it's not going to survive in its current form. What we need to do I think is look through and see ways we can ascertain notability of this artist through independent, reliable sources, as well as fix some of the language so it's suitable for a neutral point of view encyclopaedia. Reliable sources, according to the music guideline, means "It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable" and includes "published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries" (except for reprints and advertorials, basically - read the full text there)


 * Things I notice right away:


 * "Creative Support Award for his work with Bill Gaither." - linked with Bill Gaither, an established notable artist.
 * "During the Chinese New Year celebrations in February of 2000, a first-time, one-of-a-kind television program in China featured Behnken who presented a 90-minute Christian musical show on national Chinese television for the first time in that country's history" - this would surely be in a newspaper somewhere from around that time
 * "In Central Asia's Uzbekistan, you can find Lee's picture in the Samarakand city museum in honor of his historical performances." most likely same
 * "• “Someone to Love Me” was a #1 radio hit single in the Philippines" - should be provable somewhere


 * If we can get sources for these then I think this article will survive AfD as we may be looking at a newsworthy artist. I'm willing to assist with this. Orderinchaos78 12:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll have a look on some full text searches and see what I can find. I'll throw em up on User:Orderinchaos78/Lee Behnken sources and we'll sort through and figure out what we can use. Orderinchaos78 12:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately the two Dayton Daily News cites were the only two I could find - anywhere - this included a search engine which took in 120 leading newspapers in the US going back to the 1980s, and several Asian newspapers, religious journals, etc. (The DDN also had 28 other links but most of them were what WP:RS would consider trivial links - mostly ads for upcoming local performances) This seems odd given some of the stated achievements (esp the China visit). Under WP:MUSIC we can't admit material from the artist's own website unless it is independently verified, so that doesn't leave very much. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Orderinchaos78 12:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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