User talk:Kyleewebb7

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Hello, Kyleewebb7, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, your edit to Local churches (affiliation) does not conform to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy (NPOV). Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or other forms of media.

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 * Sorry, but your edits are far, far from neutral. You can take it to the talk page if you like, but you can't insert that kind of point-of-view material in an article. Please see WP:NPOV. Drmies (talk) 15:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

So am I allowed to post the view of the person who started the local churches or is that not allowed? Next, I tried explaining as to why he made the local churches with his own words so that I wasn't making anything up but maybe that's not allowed either? Also I was trying to get rid of false information saying he "started a movement or an organization" and state his actual purpose which was just to plant churches without names but that also got removed. Most of the material I posted was not from my own words from biographies and from his own words, does that not make it neutral anymore?Kyleewebb7 (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Not all biographies are neutral. If they're not, they can't be cited as fact. I noticed also that you added a considerable amount of content (not neutral content, with praise etc) on the two originators, but they already have articles, and that's where that material ought to go. I mean, this already is not neutral: "The local churches are a group of Christians that meet together in each locality in order to attempt to retain the oneness of the Body of Christ and therefore refrain from all forms of division, divisiveness, and sects from becoming manifest." It presupposes, to start with basics, that there is a "Body of Christ", that it is one. The sentences that follow "They desire to not have..." are rather repetitive and add too much detail to the lead. And the POV ("point of view") is there also in other claims--"Watchman Nee helped establish the local churches after he noticed Christian Missionaries that came to China and were more interested in gaining people for their movement rather than for unity and oneness in the Body as a whole" presupposes that those missionaries were indeed there to gain people etc. So, there's a lot here that needs work. I can't say much about the sourcing right now; WP:RS explains the basic policies. And in general, Wikipedia's text needs to be based on reliable, secondary sourcing, which typically means primary material (i.e., published by those people and their churches) is to used sparingly. I have another suggestion, which you may find more amenable: make smaller individual edits. Improve the main text instead of doing such great overhauls of the lead. In that case, if any edits are deemed problematic, perhaps not all you did will be reverted. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, here's a thought. You know this movement, I suppose? You could add a brief section on their scripture. Since Recovery Version is linked in the See also section, I suppose that's their favorite version--add that, in a paragraph with some explanation, in the "Beliefs of the Local Churches" section. That would be very useful. Drmies (talk) 21:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)