User talk:Kylegann

Greetings! Noticed your much-needed additions to Elodie Lauten; delighted to see a name I recognize join us editing, too. Judging by your contribs thus far I don't suppose you need too many of the helpful welcome links, but just in case:


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You might also be interested in WikiProject Composers&mdash;a gathering place for editors writing about composers to discuss style, standards, and articles that need work. As a side note, it's recommended that you sign your posts on talk pages with " ~ ", which adds a link to your user page as well as a timestamp. Welcome and happy editing, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:08, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * "Composers are now doing the work that musicologists used to do, while the musicologists are all off doing gender studies" -- ain't that the truth. Wow.  Never really thought about it that way, but I guess I'm in that club too.  The pay at Wikipedia ain't the greatest, but I think you'll find this site a lot of fun--certainly I have!  Btw thanks for the excellent contributions to Elodie Lauten, Nancarrow and others.  Take care, Antandrus  (talk) 28 June 2005 16:56 (UTC)

Mikel Rouse question
Hello, I notice that someone keeps changing "Jerome Wahman" to "Jerome Walman" without explanation in the Mikel Rouse article. This is supposed to have been Rouse's teacher of Schillinger Technique. Is the change valid? I figured if anyone would know this other than Rouse himself (who doesn't seem to be a contributor here) it would be you. Thanks, Badagnani 06:01, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Checked with Mikel, "Walman" is correct. Thanks. Kylegann 15:56, 14 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the correction and all your other edits. It occured to me that your asking Rouse may be considered "original research" as described by No original research: "Original research refers to original research by editors of Wikipedia.". As Kyle Gann I trust you entirely, Wikipedia policy may feel differently. Happy edits. Hyacinth 00:14, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, it is unverifiable: Verifiability. Hyacinth 07:46, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Then what do you suggest? Put the incorrect name back in? If you're telling me that Wikipedia is not a place to write about living composers that no one else has written about before me, then I have other places to take my efforts. Kylegann 15:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I was telling you that other users may have this view, so as to prepare you. I apologize if it came off as suggesting that you not contribute. A question, raised by Aaron A. Fox, out of curiousity, when you get paid to write about this stuff, why do it for free? Hyacinth 12:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hah! One of those questions almost too good to answer. The paying world has shrunk tremendously in ten years. The number of places I can get paid to write for is small, and content and length are very restricted. If someone's not already well-known, the commercial sector won't allow you to tell the world about them. The Village Voice can now only give me 600 words, which enforces extreme superficiality. Internet mags that used to pay have, in some cases, had to quit. For other paper mags I've written for, most of the music I do write about is so unknown as to be off their radar altogether. I can blog, I can write books, and even the latter brings in little money. I do still have a column at Chamber Music magazine, and a teaching job to subsidize all my other activities. In academia, writing is considered an obligatory pro bono activity anyway. So while I do have other places to write, none of them pay. Sorry if I seemed snippy about it. Wikipedia is a nice place to get detailed information out without readers suspecting that it comes from a subversive source like myself. Kylegann 15:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Answering someone else's questions about sources I came across the relevant: No original research. I don't imagine I would ever challenge your contributions as original research (and I presume most music editors wouldn't either), and you should also keep in mind that you can challenge the policies. Hyacinth 10:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand the policy and the point. But we're just trying to spell a relatively obscure person's name correctly. Is it necessary to invoke the term expert to refer to someone who knew the person? Kylegann 03:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, here's a web page http://www.mikkiwilliams.com/Articles_v.asp?arid=15 that mentions a Jerome Walman of a the Meditation and Mental Development Center of New York (he was a hypnotist), plus a Schillinger page that mentions Jerome Walman as a Schillinger-qualified teacher: http://today.answers.com/topic/certified-schillinger-teachers. Sufficient outside verification? Kylegann 03:38, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Mr. Gann, you could always mention Jerome Walman in your blog and have another editor state that as a reference, thereby circumventing the rules. (By the way, I really admire your work, both music and words. I suppose this isn't the right place to say that though. Oh what the hell...) Chris 03:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Tunings, Temperaments, and Scales
Would you be interested in joining my proposed WikiProject, WikiProject Tunings, Temperaments, and Scales? —Keenan Pepper 04:42, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Conlon Nancarrow
Actually Noncarrow was a Mexian. If you read the text you will see that he relinquished his US citizenship and became a Mexican national in 1955.

Yours, HOT L Baltimore 11:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't really need to read the text: I knew Conlon and wrote a book about him, with his assistance. It's true that he took Mexican citizenship. But, culturally and by training, he was an American composer and played an important role in American music, having transmitted the ideas of Henry Cowell to a younger generation of American composers. His role in the history of Mexican music is virtually nil. Grove Dictionary lists him as an American composer, and most musicians speak of him as one. To simply call him Mexican is misleading.Kylegann 01:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Gann!
How pleasant to see you here :) Bartleby 06:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Downtown Music
Greetings! It looks fine to me; it's the sort of source any other editor would use also. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 05:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there an exact year for the birth of this movement? (Lowdark Innuendo 14:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC))

Minimalism
I definitely understand your point. Thanks for your continued patience in this process. The Wikipedia model is not ideal and this is why we have a problem with expert retention. (I'm lucky in that I work in a relatively quiet backwater of mathematics that newbies and cranks leave alone.) If you haven't read some of the resources Wikipedia has about expert retention, I would recommend them. They highlight many problems, but knowing to expect and anticipate some of those problems can help ameliorate their effects. Hang in there! VectorPosse 04:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again - the Expert retention page is very reassuring. But when I see all the fine scholars who've given up on Wikipedia, and read their reasons for leaving, I must say I'm even more sorely tempted to join them. Kylegann 13:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I read the reason you gave for departing and think you are wrong.


 * You state:


 * 1) "I was doing Wikipedia favors."


 * 2) "How many bad experiences should it have taken me to no longer want to do things for them"?


 * 3) "why would I volunteer to continue fighting fights in which I have nothing whatever to gain?"

From this it is evident that you cleary do not have a clue about the project. Forgive me for saying so but I find your remarks self-centered.

Wikipedia is not about doing favours for anyone, it is not about personal gain, you don't "have" to do anything for anyone, you either see the bigger picture or you don't.

The often unfortuate drawback of aquiring expertise in a subject is the development of undue arrogance, perhaps you should reflect on this.

You should also try harder when it comes to citing authors writing in the field of your expertise; and spend less time arguing your own position.

If you know policy, and can cite accurately, you will not have to waste time bickering with the uninformed.

Try it, it works. 87.198.228.238 (talk) 10:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

My middle name?
Be my guest. So far no one has succeeded in making any part of my name public. Emoll 02:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Back To Custer
Mr. Gann: Apologies that it took me so long to get back to this. I re-added a reference to your work Custer and Sitting Bull to the Cultural depictions of George Armstrong Custer page. I would appreciate it if you would check my wording for accuracy in describing what you have created. I removed it initially because of the linkspam rules, thinking it more appropriately added by someone other than the composer. As a serious work, it has much better claim to a place on that page than do most of the pop culture allusions currently there. Sensei48 (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Kylegann! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 3 of the articles that you created  are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the list:

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 08:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Jim Fox (composer) -
 * 2) Maria de Alvear -
 * 3) Corey Dargel -

John Esposito
Hello, wherefrom is the hint to his interest in modern classical music, especially Bartok, I do not find it elsewhere. --Room 608 14:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roomsixhu (talk • contribs)

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