User talk:Kylu/Archive 6

Archive 6 
 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.  No further edits should be made to this page.

Fiction Wiki
If anyone who keeps tabs on this page is interested in writing fiction on a seperate Wiki, please send me a Wikipedia E-Mail with the subject of Fiction Wiki. Poetry and historic divergence also welcome, but you must be able to play nice with others. Enwiki/Meta admins & above please mention this if you'd like to be considered for an administrative position. All Q&A on the subject to be kept in E-Mail. Thanks! ~Kylu (u|t)  21:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookie
Hi there, thanks for the welcome back and for the cookie. As I was just telling Sango123, I appreciate the fact that the virtual cookie can be enjoyed without any guilt or calorie counting. I'm also glad to join the Kindness Campaign, even though I'm a bit fuzzy about what exactly is involved other than trying your best to act with compassion. I hope that I can live up to the campaign's ideals. Thanks again! --Kyok o 19:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That's it, pretty much. Do your best to be kind to others. Esperanza is basically a formal version of the same thing, at least as far as I can tell, but as most of the KC people really don't do anything with the KC project itself, I'm not sure what to tell you. The project page is pretty inactive, but I suppose as long as people keep joining and deciding to uphold its principles, it's worth having on Wikipedia. Anywho, thanks again for joining, and I hope you keep the spirit of the Kindness Campaign in you, both on-wiki and off. :) Take care! ~Kylu (u|t)  23:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Kylu, I stumbled upon this reply because your page happens to be on my watchlist. I do try to watch out for people I interact with in order to guard against vandalism. I guess if people meet other KC members and also make a conscious decision to be kind, then the campaign has worked. P.S. I like your name too. --Kyok o 00:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the cookie too! :)--Lovelaughterlife 22:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, too, of course. :) ~Kylu (u|t)  04:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey there
Haven't seen you on IRC for a while. Hope you are well. --Ideogram 18:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ...I just messaged you. *points at chat* :) ~Kylu (u|t)  18:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

See here
See this. Told you! --Tony Sidaway 23:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ACK ~Kylu (u|t)  01:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Steven W. Taylor Photo
I just noticed that you had listed the photo used in the Steven W. Taylor article as "possibly unfree". I have contacted the user who added it, User:Sox728 and urged him to take action to ensure the photo's compliance with applicable Wikipedia policies and guidelines. --TommyBoy 01:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Taylor's bio on the OSCN page and Copyright information on OSCN.
 * Wikipedians tend to think of "government-related" = "public domain" out of habit, since most US Federal Government publications are public domain. In other countries, this is usually not the case, and in the US, you still have to check. Anything made by the USPS, for instance, is copyrighted by default instead of public domain. In this case, the site clearly states: ©1997-2005 by the Supreme Court of Oklahoma. All Rights Reserved. and therefore at best we might consider this a "fair use" image. As currently uploaded, it's a copyright infringement.
 * Thank you for your time and attention, TommyBoy! ~Kylu (u|t)  01:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the cookie! --Dylan Lak e 03:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. :D ~Kylu (u|t)  03:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Unusual Blocks

 * 05:50, 4 October 2006 Kylu (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Gaylong (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (Upon request of the user (see userpage))
 * 06:49, 24 September 2006 Kylu (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Chili14 (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (per email from Chili14)

Hello. These are both a bit odd. One may touch on a vaction block, and what's the point of blocking a doppelsgldfg account? Just making polite questioning noises, as I like to do. - brenneman  color="black" title="Admin actions">{L} 06:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hiya Aaron. Both were at the request of the respective account holders. Chili14 was trying to deal with internet addiction (it didn't seem to work, sadly) and that section specifically refers to "self blocks". As I'm the one that blocked him, it's not a self-block, is it? I may be misunderstanding that part of the policy, please clarify if so. As far as Gaylong goes, it hardly matters either way, but as Ryulong asked for the block and is already a valued contributor (as well as personally known to me) I didn't think it'd be even vaguely controversial. Personally, I'd suggest just scrambling the password, but I suppose with enough effort eventually (theoretically) the account could be cracked. Either way, as long as they don't make a habit of it, I don't mind the ten seconds to make a user happy. :) ~Kylu (u|t)  06:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope I didn't suggest it was "even vaguely controversial" just that it was odd enough to get my attention. I'd suggest that, despite the exact wording, that we shouldn't block for holidays because, well, it doesn't work. ^_^  (Hint: Watch the policy for the next thirty seconds!)  And while you're correct that theoretically a scrambled password could be cracked, if it were eight characters mixed case with at least one number or special character it would take years.  Lots of them.  But again, it's mostly just me being nosy, so carry on! -  brenneman  color="black" title="Admin actions">{L} 06:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh no! I didn't mean to imply that you suggested that, I just felt that the blocks were, well, unlikely to be contested and worth issuing in order to make the requesting contributors happy. As far as the block for holidays...well, yes, it failed badly. I think I may suggest that next time the user lock en.wikipedia.org unroutable via their hosts file (either /etc/hosts or %windir%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts)...maybe if they're unable to access the site, it wouldn't be so tempting to read and edit it? Not that that'd work for me. :D ~Kylu (u|t)  07:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Call Centre Cabal Mediation Thingie
Thanks for your help! I just added some hard evidence to my case. Please take a look!

Best, Achim 23:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I also noticed you opened a RfM (Requests for mediation/Call centre & talk page) with the Mediation Committee, whereas I was setting up your case page for the Mediation Cabal. One isn't really "better" than the other, MedCom is formal mediation and MedCab informal, though both are nonbinding and simply seek to close the case to the mutual satisfaction of both parties. There is not, to my knowledge, any reason why you can't try to solve problems through both channels simultaneously, though I might suggest the two of you talk to eachother on the MedCab case's talkpage and see if you can work things out before someone takes the case. Perhaps, by talking things over there and realizing that you have to somehow come to terms, you'll find a solution without actually involving mediation at all? Both of you declare your intent to come to some sort of truce, determine what parts of your stance you can live without, and then (it's painful, I know) both sides give up even more until you meet in the neutral middle.


 * An effective mediation usually ends up where both sides aren't really happy, but they can live with it. A better solution yet is one that you find between your hard-drawn lines and makes you both happy. These are the hardest to find, but the most valuable. Besides, after this you may end up finding out you have more in common than you think. :) ~Kylu (u|t)  01:27, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that guidance. I have attempted to communicate with this individual and all I get is snotty public responses. He has not put anything into his user page, it's blank, and he has not entered an e-mail address. I offered to comunicate directly instead of in a public forum. He won't do that and I suspect that the reason is that he is a coward. My reason for trying the cabal thing was because I did not have a response from a mediator for days on end and it was suggested to me by another user on the article's talk page that if I did not get a timely response, to try the cabal way. I did not even know about it until I saw that. Since I did not have a response from a mediator, and still don't, I went with the suggestion. Thanks for your attention to the matter though! I appreciate it. By the way, I entered some new evidence on the mediation page. Achim 00:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mmm, I'd maybe avoid the "coward" bit, might wanna check out No Personal Attacks sometime. If you don't get any response from a mediator or medcom soon, you may also want to try WP:RFC since it gets a bit more traffic. Please note, as far as MedCab goes, while I personally still feel neutral, considering the amount of interaction we've had so far, I'd rather recuse as a mediator. I wouldn't want to give the appearance of favoritism. I hope you two get this solved soon, though! ~Kylu (u|t)  01:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Unauthorized Bot
Thanks for the heads up, I've left the operator a talk message too. —  xaosflux  Talk 04:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * np ~Kylu (u|t)  05:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that link
Interesting link. I do get slightly worried when reading stuff about the fundamental workings of these things to see that it is still a wiki page, and that anyone could have changed what was on the page so that it is incorrect. I would prefer to see a protected meta-wiki version of that page, or links to meta-versions. But I've found some meta-wiki pages to be horrendously out-of-date, as less people are at work over there. The history of that article is also interesting - all the way back to the first version. Thanks again for the link. Carcharoth 00:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Since you've already looked at the history, I'm sure you already know why it is that I'm fond of the page. :) ~Kylu (u|t)  00:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Robert Benfer
How could you put a "Not notable" tag on Benfer's page but not on his film Villain (2007 film)'s page or on Jason Steele's page? You do realize that there is a chance for it to be released into theaters, don't you (look at it's wiki page or on Knoxskorner.com)? I don't mean to sound rude, but please give me a reason for putting up that tag. 01:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC) The Hero of Time


 * I generally use the Notability (films) guidelines for determining notability on unreleased films, and Notability (people) for notability on people.
 * I tossed the "google test" at Mr. Benfer to determine if I should be worried about his notability, and he didn't score enough hits to satisfy me, hence my adding the "concerns about notability" tag. If I were sure that Mr. Benfer was not of encyclopedic notability, I'd have applied a tag, which instead of expressing concern, marks the biography as non-notable and eligible for deletion, as I do not normally delete articles I determine may be CSD material myself. Quite honestly, at the moment I'm working on removing spelling errors using a semiautomated tool, so didn't really concern myself with the status of the movie itself, since if I don't do it, someone else will come along and do it instead. I apologize if you take offense, but I'd like to suggest reading the notability guidelines I mentioned above and determine if your articles make some argument for notability under these guidelines. Thanks! :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  02:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for explaining. I understand your concern now, and have read the guidlines. I have found that if the person has "A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following" they can have a biography and Robert definetly has this. 02:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC) The Hero of Time


 * If so, please ensure you mention that as to establish notability, and that you have cited a verifiable source doing so. This will go a long way towards establishing a stable article, otherwise someone discovering it later may simply choose to delete it, if such sources are not provided. As always, remember that this is an encyclopedia, and there are many important things in the world that encyclopedias simply do not cover. Even damn good ones like us. :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  02:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Please note: the WP:CHILL shortcut previously redirected to The World Will Not End Tomorrow, but now is redirecting to No angry mastodons. As I was referring to the Eventualism essay, please don't take the mistakenly used shortcut as an implication that I think you were being hostile! My apologies! (Kylu@Work) 207.145.133.34 16:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Kylu, just doing a google search for "Robert Benfer" wouldn't give an accurate picture because he does not use that name online very often. Anyway, a question about the notability thing: would any of the following be considered suitable proof of the existence of "A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following"?


 * Knox's home page has been visited nearly 13,000,000 times (statistic at the bottom of his home page )
 * He's the 8th most bookmarked Newgrounds user, with 10,617 users.
 * The total number of times that his submissions have been viewed on Newgrounds (the statistics are here: ) is as of today 10,959,036.
 * - Esn 01:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, so incorporate the statistics into his claim for notability. Like I said, I didn't delete the page, nor did I mark it for deletion, I simply expressed my view that from the information that was provided, he did not appear to meet notability requirements. If you disagree, correct the article so it conforms to the requirements given in WP:N, erase my template if you so choose, and go on about your wiki-improving activities. No big deal, really. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Update: Articles for deletion/Robert Benfer back in February, the Benfer article has been deleted and salted so it can't be recreated. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

SlimVirgin
Kylu, SlimVirgin is apparently so upset with me that he is trying to revert my comments off the page. Can you do anything about this? --Ideogram 04:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Out of band communication has been utilised to bring this to the attention of an Arbitrator. I only see one reversion, though that may be enough for them to want to act. I'd just suggest ensuring that you stay as scrupulously WP:AGF and WP:NPA as possible so nobody has any basis for a complaint.
 * I'm sorry ArbCom even has to exist... I'd rather everyone just naturally got along and played well together, but c'est la vie. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you! Wow, what amazing kudos!  THANK YOU!  I am honored!  Danke schön!100110100 06:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just keep it up. Bitte. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  06:14, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you, Kylu, for redirecting Canz! -- Daĉjo почта 09:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. :) (Kylu@Work) 207.145.133.34 16:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Signature
Would you like this signature: ~ Kylu  (T) ? Please tell me if you want it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sean gorter (talk • contribs).
 * Actually, I keep procrastinating contemplating a new combination of userpage/user template/signature, maybe blues and greens, something calm/cool. Thanks for the offer though, it's a very interesting signature! (Kylu@Work) 207.145.133.34 16:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Nandesuka
Nandesuka is now reverting my comments off the page. --Ideogram 17:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ideogram. :( ... an Arbitrator has been told and I can only imagine that they're watching. Personally, I think Be Bold takes a bit of a seat during arbitration, but that's just my own opinion. I'd say, no matter what you do, just keep your nose clean and assume that they're trying to do the right thing, and maybe someone will notice and do what needs to be done. That's kinda why I just left the whole thing alone. A few questions here and there to make people think about the situation, and I sit back and let consensus decide itself. *shrug* (Kylu@Work) 207.145.133.34 18:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Peeking at it again, while I'm still not fond of people removing comments of others on talkpages, especially established contributors (that applies whether it's you or Giano or CakeProphet or ... uh, I can't think of anyone I actually dislike, but if there was somebody, their name here) but I think that maybe with the substance of your comments, perhaps it'd be best to copy me in just backing off and letting the others burn off steam?


 * Oh, for the record, I've un-dis-invited Giano to my talkpage. That mess is, in my opinion, quite in the past. Best to forget such things happened and move on, ne? (Kylu@Work) 207.145.133.34 18:54, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

RfAR
Thanks for notifying me, I have fixed it. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 03:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * np! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the cookie it was delicious:D. Right when I heard about the Kindness Campane (forgive my spelling) I knew it was something I wanted to join right away.-- Sea dog  .M.S  16:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The only difficult part about KC is keeping the spirit alive when you're doing it all by yourself. There's nobody watching over your shoulder to make sure you're doing what you need to, or asking why you skipped a day, yet there are other members. I suppose that's why I welcome people...at least then they know there's someone they can pester when things get rough. I don't mind. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Kylu,

Just wanted to drop by and say thanks for being a good admin.

User:Samsara (talk • contribs) 15:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. n.n <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  16:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Hello

I have heard that you are one of the top 5 Admin's in this place. So I thought I would learn from the best. What 7 things should I read before I start to make edits to the great and all mighty wikipedia. Thanks alot m8. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.250.223.248 (talk • contribs).


 * Well, I'd first tell you that putting "for fucks sake" on someone's talkpage probably isn't the best way to start a long-lived editing career. Anyway, I imagine I don't place in the upper half of admins. I doubt most of the people on Wikipedia have ever heard of me at all. If you really want to see who the most popular people are, I'd suggest checking this page out instead. Also, blanking articles isn't great for one's Karma either; I do hope you're being honest in wanting to constructively contribute though. Check out WP:POLICY if you'd like to start at the beginning. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, no. You are apparently beneath only Gwernol in majestic admin power. Luna Santin 00:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Jason's just being a kid, again. You'd think a high school senior would have better things to do than vandalize websites. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have two things to say. 1. Wikipedia is not all mighty. We all know that. 2. Who is this "Jason" guy? I thought that Jason Gastrich was an adult.--<tt> C hi  li  14 </tt> 00:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

H Hello, My name is Jason B. and I am a new user to Wikipedia. I am trying to get my feet wet. If you have sexual intercourse with us, we will be obligated to inflict injury upon you. My main interests are Astronomy and American History. To gain a notion of my personal style, I suggest you consider an amalgam of popular rap artist Snoop Dog, well-known playboy Hugh Hefner, and controversial pornographic magazine publisher Larry Flynt. I enjoy shopping at Ceramic Tile World. I am cursed with an unfortunate inability to assemble coherent sentences, and therefore humbly request that you correct any obvious problems you see with my prose.

I am currently a Senior in the IB program at Eastside High School in Gainesville, Florida. I am unlikely to give up until such time as it is no longer practical to continue. My strongest school subjects are math, history, science, drafting, and behaving like an utter buffoon in chemistry class. ''from User:578
 * The "hidden message" in his note was 5-7-8, like you're going to miss the fact that most people would spell out the numbers or something. I really don't understand the point of vandalism, but after this it's probably best to just deny his attention-seeking behaviour. Kinda sad, really. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Working "Man"'s barnstar

 * Aww! >^.^< <3 <3 <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hajimemashite!
Kylu wa baka desujarimasen. Wakarimasuka? Jecowa 03:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mou! Atashi wa baka desu! iie wakarimas. ;.; <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  03:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Gomen. Iie, Kylu wa baka arimasen. Wakarimasu ka? Jecowa 03:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Arigato gozaimas, hai owakarimas. *seiza* <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you sitting like that? Doesn't it hurt your knees? Jecowa 04:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hai, Jecowa-sama! :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You are too kind. Watashi wa Nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu. I read on your user page that you are a witch. How do you feel about the negative connotations that the word "Witch" has in America? Do you like it or not. Have you seen Kiki's Delivery Service? Jecowa 04:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Some of my ancestors are Nihonjin, but I am mostly of Irish ancestry. Halfu desu. I mostly deal with religious problems by hiding it. Maybe a little cowardice, perhaps, but I've seen enough things in media to make me think twice about telling people unless I have to.
 * I have Kiki's Delivery Service on DVD, sore wa kawaii desu! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know much about my ancestry. I do know that I'm mostly of European decent, except for being 1/64 Cherokee. I would be afraid to tell people to. Some people can be really mean to people that are different than them. Wow, you've been here for less than a year, and you're already a sysop! Hontouni kandoushita! Jecowa 04:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ano, it's not that big a deal. I just try to do what needs to be done and hope I don't step on too many toes doing it. The thing that annoys some people is that I was around three months when I asked for admin. RfA is a very interesting process: I suggest all masochists should try it sometime. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Were people very mean to you during your request for adminship discussion? I think it would be cool to be an admin, but I don't feel that I know enought yet to deserve it and I might feel like I have to do more stuff around here. Did you have over 1000 edits when you asked for adminship? I hear 1000 is an important number to some people. Jecowa 04:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It was more stressful than I'd have liked it to be, I lost my Pollyanna aura during it. Came back and would like to think that I've got it back and redoubled now, though! I think I had like, 3k or so edits at the time. Check Requests for adminship/Kylu if you want to see exactly what happened. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  05:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

wakarimasen... (My Japanese is worse than my Wiki markup... but I understood most of it...) My internet's been down since June, due to home "renovations" and I never got a chance to stop by and thank you, (though, this isn't the section... and sincerest apologies for just butting in like this...) but regardless, I just got the chance to clean up my dozens of userboxes, they're less abundant now, so thats good. I'm not done, but oh well. Ah... Hrm. I have managed to obliterate my train of thought completely, so I suppose I shall leave... (hey, I'm mostly Scotch-Irish, with 1/32 Navajo and some French. I'm also 137% random! yay randomness! My beliefs are still up in the air, but as long as you aren't in favor of mass murder of small woodland creatures, I have no problems with much of anything, I just wish more people were more tolerant.) Cage 19:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Kylu scratches her head Err, okay, nice meeting you! You should really meet my friend <font color="MediumBlue">The Prophet Wiz <font color="SeaGreen">ard of the Cray <font color="MediumBlue">on Cake  sometime. He's really not as insane as he seems, but don't tell him I said that. He prides himself in being an avatar of Chaos, I think. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Eh, I just haven't slept in two days. Or done much of anything else productive, for that matter, except write of my latest (*cough*CRAP*cough*) story. That is to say, I'm normally less odd. Well, more coherent, at least. Cage 21:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Check out Wordforge perhaps? Little-known site, but you can toss stories and poetry and whatever up there if you want. Others might actually read them from time to time, too. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  21:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, it'd be better than just posting them on my xanga and having my friends continually give me nothing but stellar reviews. Well, they've let up a bit, but most of the criticism gives me too much credit. God, the joys of finally having an internet connection after months without one are truly amazing. Once I firmly re-establish myself online, I will begin my mission of mega-editing the articles I care about on Wikipedia. Cage 21:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Something you might want to try... visit a random article sometime and see if you can improve it somehow. Failing that, hell yeah we want your stories uploaded on Wordforge! :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks



 * I had no clue what a Stetson was. I'm still not very sure, but thank you!


 * A Stetson ma'am, is what us tobacco-chewin', drawl-speakin', wise-crackin', trigger happy cowboys wear.  Rama's arrow  04:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You chew tobacco? Ew. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Billions of bilious, blue, blistering barnacles! Don't mock tobacco, whiskey and me you landlubber, troglodyte, pirate, body-snatcher, ectoplasm! Rama's arrow


 * Sorry I used a FU image -  Rama's arrow  04:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Edit conflict. I was just removing the image. GMTA! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Btw, I noticed u asked 2 questions on my ER but left no comment - i.e., advice. Might I beg some feedback? What did you think of my answers - did I miss anything? Cheers, Rama's arrow  05:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ack! Sorry, I'll get to it! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  05:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've dropped a compromise offer. I read this situation as akin to what was happening at Narendra Modi. I've encouraged the involved parties to see that article as an example of how editors can clean messes up. Rama's arrow  05:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Oh, hey, I didn't see the questions on the ER. Where are they? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  05:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * ?????! You're commenting on the talkpage - most questions/comments are on the main page. Rama's arrow  05:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll look into that, Rama's arrow! Bit busy, but I'll look on the project page again. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

OTRS
For future reference, make sure to lock or close tickets that you're dealing with, so as to avoid confusion on the part of others. --RobthTalk 06:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I would, but since I don't have an OTRS account, it's kinda difficult to do. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  06:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. I saw that you had placed the tag on Talk:Farm Sanctuary, and assumed that you had dealt with that ticket; I assume that in actuality someone asked you to place it for them.  Altogether too confusing for me, but sorry to bug you. --RobthTalk 06:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. I tend to do a lot of little things for people in OTRS and for Office. Feel free to ask me if you run into something that needs done. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  06:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

RfB With A Smile :)
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 * Shame about the withdrawl, I always figured that 1FA was more you trying to make a point that people should at least try to work on articles rather than be completely meta. I do what I can, but sadly I'm not quite as bright as the FA-factories: Giano, for instance. While I'm sure he'd rather not have me mention him, I do have to say that once I learned of his contributions, I was rather impressed. Sadly, I lack both the brilliance and eloquence of some of my wikipedian peers. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

About tiger talk page
Hi. I can assist this case if you like. I'm completely neutral about the topic. I tried to settle things in that page in the past but there are very stubborn and one-track minded users there and they didn't allow me to help. I tried to explain them that they should listen to what others are saying but to no avail. Even as someone completely out of the debate, I was literally attacked when I first stated these ideas. I was blamed me as a "crocodile advocate".

If you're asking for my point of view about the discussion, I see that users who "support" the tiger are acting unreasonably. They object to anything, even sources. My first contribution to the topic was in the weight section. I requested a change in this section but nobody replied to my message. I waited for a very long time. Later when I changed it they objected, even the source. Eventually now (after weeks) everybody is giving the same numbers as if they are disproving me, somehow they changed their minds. It's obvious they object to everything just to object, for no reason. After seeing their behaviour I got out of the discussion because I was shocked with their attitude. I didn't want to waste myself with an uncivilized debate, but I'm willing to help if things are to change. The debate was started by John9834 under the name "Serious Issue". I see he complained about exaggeration in the article and sub articles. I advise you to read every title starting from "Serious Issue" because they are just divisions of the same debate. I also advise you to read replies carefully because some users like to play word games. The Goodson especially does that a lot. I can get myself an account if needed. 85.99.169.185 14:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm a teensy bit wary that you seem to be picking apart behaviour, since your goal in mediation is to try to get them together to find a mutually acceptable compromise, not enforce anything, but I think if you read the suggestions to mediators page it might help you understand what the role entails a bit more.


 * Anywho, I am however glad that you're paying attention to the case, and I'm very much appreciative that you're willing to mediate. As far as making a user account, that'd be a very good idea. There's not much you can't do in mediation, since the technical limits (not being able to start a page or move pages) count for much, but I think in the case of mediation there's very much a psychological factor involved, as editors...uhm...tend to forget that users behind IPs are just as human as users behind named accounts. Basically, having a meaningful username (preferably with a non-redlinked signature) will shield you from redlink-numbered prejudice.


 * Anywho, make your account, slap up a basic userpage (just so the link in your signature shows you have one) with whatever interests you care to share, maybe a language userbox or two, make sure you skip the personal information. Nobody needs to know your name, nor your phone number, and after a while being on here you'll be less inclined to share that information anyway. Then, once you're all set, go take over the mediation, inform the parties you're willing to help them come to amicable solution, close the case...then maybe take another? :D Thanks for the help! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi I got an account. Thanks for your help. Though I want say a couple of things about the case. I knew you would be a bit wary whether I'm picking a side in this debate or not. It looks as if I do from the message but I had to say that. I am completely neutral about this topic. If you had done what I did; trying to settle things without being a real mediator (especially some anonymous ip user like you said) you would understand me. I was trying to help being completely positive, trying to make them understand that what others say can be true and tried explain that they are sourced but I was attacked. They even speculated I was John9834 or BJK1903. That's why I may sound as if I'm picking a side in the debate. However I'm telling these to inform you about what was going on before. I won't do this kind of talk during mediation. It's not my business; I don't especially like tigers or crocodiles. However when I was attacked I couldn't be neutral about the users at that point, however I want to underline the fact that I was completely objective and neutral about the topic all the time. It's nothing personal about those users, if the other party had done the same, I would feel the same against them. Chaturanga 12:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If it's simply disclosure, then, I appreciate the thought that you'd do so before mediating, though perhaps the parties involved might decide to bring it up during the mediation as reason to oppose your doing so. With any luck, they'll realize that mediation requires that all parties involved assume the others are acting in good faith to come to a compromise. Also, you may want to list yourself as mediator on the Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-04 Tiger mediation case page, so we know it isn't still requiring a mediator. Also, please coordinate with Ronnymexico who has been ready to assist a mediator (you!) since the 4th. Ronny can help mediate, though he's listed in the case, so you have to use your judgement and talk to Ronny to determine if he's sufficiently neutral to bring the sides to a conclusion. Either way, I trust your judgement, and if either of you run into any problems, go ahead and leave me a message. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi it's me again. I have a big problem at the moment, I can't log in. There may have been a caps lock problem when I created my password or maybe I simply missed a letter when recorded it as hardcopy. Is there any way I can recover my password (didn't include email when signed up, was planning to add details later) or my username so that I can create the account a second time. Sorry for being a big problem :) 85.99.169.185 21:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mm, well, there's no method I know of if you haven't entered your email details. I assume you've tried logging in with your capslock on, right? A developer might be able to recover your password or change it, especially given you're using the same IP as when you logged in, assumedly... I'll ask around and see if I come up with anything, okay? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Just got done checking with the developers. Looks like you'll have to register a new account. Sorry. :( <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I got it. Not very different though.


 * I was a bit shocked when I read your reply. I had asked to assist a mediator, I didn't know anybody who wanted to, could be one. Are there any criteria for being a mediator? I thought you were the mediator. I may sound amateur, I don't know Wikipedia very well. Isn't a mediator going to be assigned from the Mediation Cabal? -Chaturanga- 18:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The most important criteria are the willingness to be neutral in the matter, the understanding that you're mediating the disagreement... that is, you're not a judge, just a neutral party willing to help solve the dispute... and the goodwill to do so. While knowing policy certainly helps, and many would say it's critical, I feel that as long as the parties are somewhat knowledgeable and you have someone you can turn to in the event of a question, that's more a preference than a requirement. The parties, trust me, will dig up every obscure rule and guideline and policy they can. :D You just have to weigh these against the case, and try to stick with the rules when you can, but if it's in the interests of the encyclopedia to break a rule, then Ignore All Rules should take effect. Now, that policy is a focus of contention, but basically it boils down to this: No rule, procedure, or guideline should outweigh common sense, consensus, and the best interests of Wikipedia.

I'd like to advise you to carefully read over Mediation Cabal (the whole page, it's not very long) and then Mediation Cabal/Suggestions for mediators before starting.

As far as "a mediator being assigned from the Mediation Cabal" goes...okay, you're assigned. Good luck with your case. :D ...see, MedCab isn't those mediators listed on the Mediation Cabal page. It's everyone on Wikipedia. Everyone who is capable of mediating in good faith and do so in neutrality is not only welcome to mediate, but already part of the Cabal! The most super-secret society on Wikipedia (and you'll hear references to "the Cabal" ... yep, we run the whole works behind the scenes. Sure do. Really.) is actually comprised of everyone on Wikipedia. Once you get used to the place, it's an easier concept to wrap your head around, trust me. :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh! Forgot to tell you, I added redirects from your older screen name to your new one. People clicking on your old sig won't get confused, so don't worry. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

:)
for my Kylu-san. pschemp | talk 15:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Aww, flowers! For me! *hugs* Thanks! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * kylu, I saw your reply earlier, but thanks for delivering it to my talk page! :) - User:Samsara (talk • contribs) 01:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I always figured pschemp should use "-chan" with me, actually, but okay. (in reference to the -kun thing that's no longer on the page) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok K-chan, you are correct. :) I am but a humble learner. pschemp | talk 20:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * So wise in one so young, grasshopper! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  02:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Question for you
Is there a place where I can see all of the user subpages that I have made? Not sure if this is appropriate for .--Chili14 03:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * for userpages
 * for talkpages
 * Have a nice day! (btw, your sig doesn't link anywhere...) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  03:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Another question
Quick question about copyrights (just what you wanted to hear I'm sure). Is really a "user-created public domain image". I've run across this situation several times and still haven't figured out what to do with it. The user may have created the image but did not create the design. Just curious about the copyvio issues with that. Thanks.-- <font face="comic sans MS" size=+1>Joe Jklin  ( T C )  05:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope you don't mind me commenting here, but in my opinion this image was created by User:Valentino except for the seal in the center of the flag, which was pasted onto the flag. The copyright for the seal would be held by the City of Tampa of course. It's okay that he didn't make the design. Wikipedia is currently allowing users to claim flags as their own works even though they did not create the design. This policy can be seen at the Public Domain Flag template. Concerning the seal that was pasted on, I don't know much about laws and such, but I believe it is legally acceptable for him to use copyrighted material in his work. Artists will sometimes use the works of other artists in their own works. A good example of this is song Boulevard of Broken Songs, which was created from parts of four or five other songs. Jecowa 06:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * PD-flag is a depreciated template, and I encourage you to review the template as soon as you can if you intend to use it. Flag design can be copyrighted, subject to different laws than simple trademark or copyright, may (in some cases) be public domain, or entirely different. The emblem of the Red Cross, for instance, is not copyrighted or trademarked as such, it actually (in the US and other Geneva Convention(I) signatory nations has laws that exist for the sole purpose of protecting the Red Cross emblems. In the case of Wikipedia, the only "universal" means of tagging such images are as Fair Use of a copyrighted image and treating them all as such. As far as municipal seals go, the seals are in themselves complete works of art seperate from any design that incorporates them whereas Boulevard of Broken Songs does not use any single work wholesale, plus there's a possibility that Party Ben could possibly claim his work is a parody of the other songs, he might have a license for use, or possibly the song is simply an infringement which the copyright owners haven't persued yet. (See also: seal and symbol tags, which are fair use tags.)
 * Copyright is a terribly complex area of law mostly relying on individual judgement, and in the case of Wikipedia, I think we would do best to use the seal and symbol tags for seal and flag images. The page Image copyright tags has a lot of various tags that may apply when uploading flag images, see Image copyright tags to go straight to the ones we're concerned with here. :)
 * Hope that didn't scare you off! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that helps a bit. I thought that the image should have a different tag (specifically Symbol). I just was checking a respected user's opinion. So, to simply state it, you believe that recreations of copyrighted but usable images, such as flags, olympic logos, works of art made after 1923, should be tagged with the corresponding tag and not GFDL-self or the like (that would also make them ineligible for user page usage too, no?). If so I agree but wanted to make sure before notifying users and/or changing tags. Thanks for the help Kylu and Jecowa! -- <font face="comic sans MS" size=+1>Joe Jklin  ( T C )  05:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the bad thing about fair use tags. While I'm sure that country and state tags you can post on your userpage, once you hit city tags or company tags, it's dealing with a symbol that is owned by a company. Rather like saying since you're an Exxon employee, you should be able to put the Exxon logo on your userpage. Doesn't quite work like that, I'm afraid. :( <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Chill / chillout
Hey Kylu, been a while... I've just got back into contributing after being busy for a while, and hadn't realized WP:CHILL had been redirected... as the "...mastodon" page and "The world will not end tomorrow" are different ideas, I'd like to move it back, both to preserve meaning in debates where it was previously used, and because the original page is still as useful as it ever was... <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">zio</FONT> talk 21:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mmm, well, someone else moved Chill to the mastodons (probably why they're extinct, now that I think about it...) where it was pointing at the world will not end page before. Now, I don't mind if you move it back, in fact I think Chill belongs to World, but at this point in time I'm wondering if perhaps we should discuss that particular move. That's why I just tagged the see-also pages, since at least then people who are looking for the old Chill can get their hands on the world that much more quickly!


 * I feel sorry for anyone who's reading that and has no idea what we're talking about. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah, screw 'em... this WP in-chat should be a mystery to as many people as possible! As mastodon already has no fewer than 4 other shortcuts, I think CHILL can stay where it was... as far as I know the use of shortcuts has pretty much worked on a first-come basis, and as there is no reason for it not to point to TWWNET, preserving the integrity of debates where CHILL was used in its original context supercedes any matter of opinion over where it "fits best". How's wikilife been while I've been off the scene? <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">zio</FONT> talk 22:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been okay, and I have to agree with you that TWWNET needs its own shortcut, instead of giving yet another one to the mastodons. Can't give those hairy elephants everything, can we? Next thing you know, they'll be begging for WP:PEANUTs! Anywho, I was briefly not-involved in an ArbCom case, mostly on the evidence and findings of fact pages, though my name is sprinkled throughout. In another situation, one of my mediators attempted to clear up conflicts at the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict and ended up getting involved in the Arbitration case there, and the poor guy was so shaken up he wanted to get our input on the situation before mediating again. It's all been so distracting, and trying to keep on top of the mess is a full time job. o.o;; So, how've you been? :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Good babe, variously working (boo), moving back home from Portugal, working more (boo boo) and just back from a holiday in the states which was wicked... got a new job in Korea starting in January which is cool so got a few months off to CHILL and reimpose my iron admin fist on WP in the meantime, heheheheh.... I dropped Dryguy a note, explained why I've moved CHILL back. I'd never really checked how much CHILL / TWWNET had been cited in debates, turns out loads so def no need to move it. Sounds like you've been in a few scrapes, I've been getting right back into the AfD minefield and speedily deleting total crap over the past few days. Place must have been falling apart without me ;) Drop me an email if you ever want a shoulder to moan on without making it all public, you know where to find it.. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">zio</FONT> talk 22:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, at least you're keeping busy? I never quite understood how Spain and Portugal developed so differently, being on the same penninsula and all, so if you have any insights into that (or a page on that interweb thing... encyclowiki or whatever it's called) please let me know. As far as a new job in Korea goes, you might want to stop by a dentist's office first and see how many of those lead aprons you can borrow for an extended amount of time. Like I said to someone on chat, I heard a news anchor say the conflict in the region is approaching "critical mass". I'm really hoping he was just being dense, otherwise with a joke that bombed like that he'll be out of there in three shakes of a lamb's tail. Maybe he was just fishin' for a response from people? Anyway, I'm back to doing some more fun stuff, welcoming KC members, doing some spellchecking on occasion, deleting things nobody wants anymore. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * This is probably a good place to announce that the account Chili14 is to be indefinitely suspended and replaced with this account. It is used far too little, and I want to exercise it.-- Ch ili  fix  22:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If'n you wanna. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that Chili... yeah the nuclear thing is interesting, but if the whole shithouse goes down in flames I want to be at the party... There's a lot of parallels between Portugal / Spain and Scotland / England, and we've managed to hang on to our little bit of paradise for a while as well.. well, kinda, we had the deal 300 years ago when we joined their parliament in return for our king taking over. Never write off the little guy. <FONT STYLE="verdana" COLOR="#000000">Dei</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF3300">zio</FONT> talk 23:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I seem to recall there being a situation on-wiki somewhere about the legal status of Gibraltar, something about the UK and Spain disagreeing about who owns it? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Kidney transplant

 * nods, my uncle offered to donate. We have to wait for his health to check out, though.  It should happen soon afterwards.  Thanks :) Danny Lilithborne 01:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * hugsa* best of luck, Danny. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  02:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

A little somethin'4 u 2
Hi Kylu, thanks for alerting WikiProject Lepidoptera about IronChris' Macroglossum stellatarum FA pix. I've placed it on the main page of the WikiProject. And here's one as thanks for you too.AshLin 16:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Very pretty, though I wonder why IronChris didn't tell the project himself, unless he did somewhere that I just didn't know... *shrug* <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Essjay
Don't you think someone should put a notice there for all the users that he has not been here for months it could probably by a wikibreak or some kind of warning-based box. Cbrown1023 23:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was tempted to, but if people write and don't read, it's hardly going to matter where the warning is. Go ahead if you want to. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I did it, I put a notice there and archived the parts that didn't have any recent posts on them to User:Essjay/Archives/43 (the page was definately getting too long). Cbrown1023 01:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Black on blue? o.o;; <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What? If you mean the color of the notice-template, it is purple (User:Armedblowfish did that for me, I fogot). Cbrown1023 01:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, black on purple. I think switching from my pink to Essjay's blues, my eyes went wonky. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

MedCab
You posted here about related policies. Was this addressed at me? Should I have mentioned those policies? Sub versive  02:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's addressed to whoever the mediatior ends up being. I just looked over the various sides and determine what policies might be most helpful in dealing with the case, they're not pointed at either side. As one of the Mediation Cabal Coordinators, I generally try to not make any judgements at all, and stay as neutral as possible with the case involved, in case I'm needed later to assist the mediator or (worst case) take over the case. Personally, if I may be so bold, I'd just suggest ignoring anyone who you feel is making personal attacks. It's best to have a third party look the situation over and issue a warning, if needed. Doing it yourself (template or not) will just be seen as a counter-attack. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  02:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for the advice on issuing warnings, although it's too late for that now, I'll keep it in mind. Sub  versive  03:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

UC
Thank you Kylu for checking in at the Unification Church talk page. Regards Marknw 21:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem, I hope the issues get peacefully resolved soon! :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  02:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

you must be Kidman...
Me, mediate on this article? Isn't my comment a clear indication of an opinion? Would that not preclude me from mediating on it? Or am I missing the point? Too many questions? Bastiq ▼ e demandez 17:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I imagine that the best solution to the case is simply to either find reliable sources regarding her nationality or, if none can be found, to simply state that at this time we do not have any cited, reliable sources which state Ms. Kidman's nationality. Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. Too many mediators recuse cases because they feel they have an opinion: All you have to do is find a middle ground that rests on the shoulders of our policy. :) Good luck with the case! :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  18:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

my reply
HEY! Thanks so much for taking the time to look through the issues at hand and write a thorough response.

I assure you I have nothing at all to do with posting any personal information on anyone. I don't know the guy, or where I would get personal information on him either?

I would be happy to do as you suggested and keep an eye out for it in exchange for him being more fair. I think that's fair enough. I am sorry that anyone here who donates their personal and valuable time might encounter harssament?

Ok in regards to the edits, having paitence and good faith, and appreciate you passing that on as well to SonicAD means you are fair.. I have not had an issue with him since those issues though. I like contribute both info and links, and he needs to understand not all links server a comercial purpose, and can be very valuable sources of info whcih can not be found on wiki. For example the nascar site he had actually banned from wikipedia nascarspace.com is nothing more than a really nice message forum where i feel nascar fans or people who have come to wikipedia to find out more, might actually benefit from visiting the site.

Regardless your suggestions and guidance has been noted, and I again appreciate your time and will do my best to relax and be more understanding and hope others follow that as well. --Edited By a Professor of Life 18:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you're willing, in the spirit of peace and amicable wiki'ing, you may want to discuss external links with others before adding them, at least for a little while. Also, it'd be best to re-read the external links policy just to make sure that the links you add won't be misconstrued as "spam" by other editors. Thanks! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Sir Winston Churchill case
Hi! I just noticed this. The situation is certainly unusual; I was at a loss (and still am) as to where he should go for guidance. If you need more details about the background, you can refer to these talk pages (more or less in this sequence): The converstation thread should be clear enough from those talk pages; let me know if I can help in any way. Arnold seems pleasant and sincere enough, but I'm still baffled as to exactly what this product offers. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 23:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) User talk:72.138.243.62
 * 2) User talk:Arnold Villeneuve
 * 3) User talk:Cirilab


 * One major thing that does bother me with regards to this is the fact that Mr. Villeneuve set up what appears to be a role account for Cirilab. Role accounts are specifically prohibited under current sockpuppet policy, and if he wants to keep it he should probably consider either asking the Foundation for a special dispensation or alternatively make it clear that he's the only one with access to the account. PARC Wiki Researcher was at one time accused of similar, and there is far less likelihood of that being a role account. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you've taken it on because, to be honest, it was was all making my head spin. Technically speaking, both User talk:Arnold Villeneuve and User talk:Cirilab are (for the moment, at least), single-purpose accounts.  But he appears to be making an effort to be straightforward about his goals, so I wasn't quibbling about those details while I tried to make sense of it all.  In the same spirit of fairness, I went back to User talk:72.138.243.62 and crossed out the spam warning I posted there, as this doesn't seem to fall into a simple category.  I'll be interested in seeing how this plays out. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 01:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I spoke with Mr. Villeneuve and he seems eager to contribute to the project, and has agreed to contact WikiProject Biographies and the Village Pump before continuing. We'll see what happens after this. (ref) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

this edit
Um ... you're crazy?

Good call ;) - Che  Nuevara  21:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Eh-heh, thanks! I just wonder why nobody noticed earlier... ^.^;; <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  21:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Med Cab mediators needed
Hi Kylu, just checked the wiki before going to bed to find your message. The beginning of this is going to sound not so good, but stay with me 'till the end ;)

Right now I'm pretty busy in real life (see, I said it didn't sound too good). However I had a look at some of the cases (how did you guess I'd find those two interesting?) and I'm interested in taking at least one on. I've got to see what schedule is like over the next few days, so hopefully I can take one up (and get back to serious editing) over the weekend, or early next week. I hate for there to be a backlog, so I'll try hard to squeeze one of these cases in.

Thanks once again for the message, and I hope that this is at least partially helpful.

Yours, Th ε Halo Θ 23:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, this is going to be totally unscientific, mind you, but I picked moderators that I felt good about sending the message to, then picked the cases that also felt correct. I think it's got scientifically the same basis as guessing, but we'll see how good my guess was soonish, perhaps. Thanks for replying! :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The Question is
The Question is, if I start fixing all the errors within U-boat entries will be edits be rv becuase they think I am entering in a random number, when infact the number would be correct. Often times U-boat claimed sinkings are 50% (between 50%-75% for US subs) then real sinkings.

578
 * Why not provide the relevant wikiproject (Military History?) with the numbers and references? Or if you make a new non-vandal account, you could do the "change number + provide reference + provide meaningful edit summary" combo after it ages. I kinda figured you'd been quiet lately. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I am using the definitive history of the U-boat war written by Clay Blair. It is a recent book as the US and UK and Germany finally got around to making all records related to the U-boats public with in the last 20 years. We will see how this goes. If I have to deal with pesky RC clowns I will stop, I dont have time to be playing around with idiots. Ark Royal 23:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I also dont do the whole wikifying thing (whats the point of linking a date?) so if that needs to be done someone else will have to deal with that.This is my first "edit" Unterseeboot 28 (1936). Ark Royal 23:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * scratches her head You know you're kinda giving away your secret persona by responding from it, right? Personally, as long as you're doing constructive edits, I'll ignore the fact you're banned from editing, but the cat's already out of the bag... <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

It would be silly to ban me now, as I have only made legit edits. Also I would rather not go through the trouble of using a proxy. Ark Royal 23:39, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You're not implying that people are always rational, are you? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I only wish. The main U-boat article is piss poor. It glances over, or fails to mention, major events/things that happened within the U-boat arm. However I don’t think I will go into fixing that just yet as I know admins like to check how much people of contributed to Wikipedia as a way of judging if they are correct or incorrect. Ark Royal 23:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, those damn admins...oh...wait... c.c;; <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

U-28 is all done, perhaps people will now leave me alone seeing that I do infact do legit work. Ark Royal 00:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Kylu falls over laughing Good luck with that! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

If they are wise they will leave me alone. I have found another exploit in Antivandalbot, bringing the count to two. Ark Royal 01:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You should tell Tawker. It's his bot, from what I know, and it being just a bot, any idiot admin (like, y'know, me) could block the thing if it went nuts. He's just another guy trying to help the place out. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Howdy!
Watashiwa gomibako desu. --CableModem 03:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 私は決して雑談の会わない. 私はまた決して雑談の捜さない.  もっともな理由があるかもしれない.  ウェブサイトのもっともな理由の使用英国の手紙があるか. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  03:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

AAAAAAAAA! I FAILED JAPANESE 1! TOO MUCH JAPANESE! HEAD GOING TO APLODE! --CableModem 03:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 異常である n.n; <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  03:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

CableModem sobs --CableModem 03:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Kylu pets poor thing. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  03:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hola? --CableModem 03:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you really wanna go there next? :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  03:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Mediation
Sorry, I really don't have time to mediate any cases. I'm busy with college right now, so I changed my status on the cabal page. Thanks for letting me know though, and if it gets really bad, I might be able to take one. <font style="color: #CC5500">Lithpip <font color="#00FF00">e <font style="color: blue">rpilot 06:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * S'okay, thanks for updating your status! :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  15:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Kylu, what's up with the recent spate of mediation-related stuff on this page? I've been seeing a lot of it on RC patrol.--<tt> C hi  li  fix </tt> 02:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've been trying to recruit more people, since Mediation Cabal has a backlog, and I'm fighting the urge to just take all the cases myself and be done with it. ... actually, feel like doing any mediating? :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  02:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Please don't do it all yourself. What cases are there that you think I might be interested in?--<tt> C hi  li  fix </tt> 12:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Nobody's taken Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-04 Tiger yet, looks like it should be pretty straightforeward. I put the cases that I want to keep an eye on at User:Kylu/news if you want to take a look, alternatively there's Mediation Cabal/Cases and a few cases that are in the "Open" list that are marked "Needs mediator" or similar (these are mostly cases that are active but have no mediator involved yet). Thanks! :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  18:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello
Helo Kylu, I hope you don't mind me asking but how do you make Show and Hide boxes like you have on your userpage. Let me know on my talk if you don't mind -- Sea dog  .M.S  15:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Section duplicated to your talkpage. Quite honestly, I have no clue where the show/hide part itself is. I know there's a hidden template which I think is the original source for all this in English, though honestly I stole mine nearly wholesale from User:Master of Puppets. Doing a teensy bit of research, I notice a conversation on m:Template talk:Hidden says it was taken from the German Wikipedia (de:Hilfe:Navigationsleisten) I get as far as tracing the matter to Wikipedia Diskussion:Navigationsleisten/Archiv 2005 Aug 14 (4409854) before giving up and not discovering the true author of the work. Quite honestly, that's kinda dissapointing. Apparently the trick is the div class="NavContent", which relies on scripting hosted in Wikipedia's js/css files for whichever skin you use. If you use Monobook, for instance, the code for all the funky Monobook stuff is at MediaWiki:Monobook.js and MediaWiki:Monobook.css


 * If you'd like to see the code to the page that has my show/hide stuff on it, it's at User:Kylu/main. Each "bar" is surrounded by colons, so if you copy just the section in between the colons, it'll work fine. Obviously, link to your own pages, and you may want to may want to check a color chart instead of using pink (oddly enough, not everyone's fond of pink! Go figure...) The -moz-border-radius gives it rounded borders in Mozilla browsers (that includes Firefox and Navigator, does NOT include Internet Explorer, and I have no clue how it works in Opera. Oh, doesn't work on Lynx either. :D) Font and font size, border radius, and colors can all be adjusted. The show/hide itself is embedded into the scripting that makes it run, so can't be changed by us mere mortals without it affecting everyone on the site.


 * Hope that answers your question. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  16:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes that did answer my question thanks alot :). Pink is a cool color, Oh yeah I'm a definitate pascifist also.-- Sea dog  .M.S  16:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

email
Hi Kylu - I had sent you an email - I hope you've got it and are fine with it. Please lemme know, Rama's arrow  21:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oho, that? Yeah, sure, s'fine. I didn't take offense, I just wasn't familiar with that phrase. No problem. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ohyeah, I re-read your editor review, and quite frankly you've got me stumped... I still can't find the two questions you posed on there. If it's no trouble, mind re-asking here? I do have to limit my answers to what I'm aware of, though, which is a heck of a limit! :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"Two questions (I) posed on there?" I didn't asked any questions. I just wanted some advice/comment for me from you - as I answered your 2 questions and didn't get a reply on whether you thought I was on the right track or not. Rama's arrow 20:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh... ah, well, seems I've misunderstood then. Excuse me, been on a lot of (legal) drugs lately. :D Got an appointment in about a half hour to find out if I get to (get this) UP the dosage or not. Heh. Should be an interesting week if they do...


 * Anywho, I figure the best thing to do if you have people being iffy about your edits is to follow the "1ReRead" rule. After you write something, before you hit "Save page", re-read it and see if it's objectionable. Is there a nicer way to put what you've said? Perhaps you're sounding offensive without meaning to? Is the information sounding helpful or offensive? I'm afraid I've failed in that a couple times, but keeping the "rule" in mind tends to make you come across as a bit nicer person, I think. I'm also firmly 1RR (one revert only, though I make an exception in the case of vandalism) and 0WW (zero wheel warring).


 * Hope that's helpful information from my standpoint, though I think a lot of editors think I'm a bit...uh... unusual in my approach like that. *shrug* Good luck? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Good heavens! I hope its nothing particularly serious - please take care of your health. Its good to be a bit unpredictable (I guess the "woman's touch" thing is working after all). Thanks for your advice, Rama's arrow  01:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mm, thanks for the concern, back now and nice and hopped up now. I just wonder if I'll be happier when it's all over, I guess. Or something. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit counter
lol, what's this? :P G .<font color="#666666">H  e  04:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I said nobody saw that, dammit...:P
 * Seriously though, I was copy-pasting tool2 to another wiki (why the namespace is called cabal, I have no idea. Someone's sense of humor I suppose) and put the changes into the wikipedia tab instead of the other wiki's tab. Then I hit "save" and immediately noticed the /Interiot there and started banging my head against the desk, then promptly reverted my stupidity. *sigh* 私は無用の馬鹿である. :( <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You mean here? :P G .<font color="#666666">H  e  04:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yah, whatever. I couldn't get it to work, but I was suffering under a chronic load of stupidity and medicine at the time. Still am, which explains a few things. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:55, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Aha! I got it to work. :D Copy the below into your monobook.js on that wiki and go to User:GHe/editcount.js there. (You may need to do a hard refresh.)

//Edit counter (User:GHe/editcount.js) if (document.title.indexOf('User:GHe/editcount.js') != -1) { document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'    + 'http://countervandalism.org/index.php?title=User:GHe/editcount.js'     + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"> '); } G .<font color="#666666">H e  05:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Figure out what the problem was, though? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  05:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say that the biggest problem would be:

//	2. update the following URL //		for example: "User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js" var tool2_url = "User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js"; G .<font color="#666666">H e  05:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, it's getting late here. I'll check back tomorrow. :) G .<font color="#666666">H  e  05:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * *cackles* Yeah, I got that one when I moved it to commons, ohwell. I'm tempted to just stick the thing into monobook.js and be done with it. Hm. Probably do that on my other wiki, where if I screw it up nobody's hurt. Thanks! :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  05:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

the least I can do....
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks"> Hello Kylu, Nirav has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Rama's arrow  02:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Nirav. Dhan ya vad. n.n <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear fellow Editor
''I Sea  dog  .M.S  am inviting you to edit my quote page. I do understand that you are very busy in the Wiki but I would greatly appreciate you editing the quote page. If you decide to edit the page please follow the rules you see inside. Sinceraly yours,
 * Sea dog  .M.S  21:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a quote by Emily Dickinson. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks I like it alot, Have a nice day/night Kylu-- Sea dog  .M.S  01:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikispecies
All set, let me know if there are any problems. -- light darkness (talk) 13:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks! :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  19:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Today's featured article
Tobacman 00:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations. I guess now you can be an admin with standing... you've worked on an FA! ++Lar: t/c 19:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I imagine I either reverted vandalism, stub-sorted it, wikilinked it, added an isbn, or added a category. :) I recall talking about the article on IRC also, but I can't imagine that that's what caused me to be considered a contributor. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  21:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Elonka
Thank you for expressing an interest in my recent RfA. As a followup, I wanted to let you know that unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I do appreciate that you took the time to monitor the discussion, and I paid close attention to your thoughts, as I find it a valuable thing to understand how I am perceived by others in the Wikipedia community. My current plans are to continue contributing in a positive manner to Wikipedia, and if there is anything that I can do in the future to help further address your concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. --Elonka 10:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear your RfA didn't go the way you wanted. Better luck next time? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :)  If I do have the privilege of being nominated again, do you think you would support me?  Or do you still have any other concerns?  If so, I do encourage you to bring them up.  :) --Elonka 19:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * My concern is mainly the same concern I had for myself: That of violating WP:AUTO and why I restarted my Wiki-career as "Kylu" and am happily not known for my previous stupidity. (That refers to me, not you.) I don't generally talk about all that, but seeing someone else make the same mistakes makes me hesitant, even if it's been almost a year now. Personally, in your case I'd probably suggest knocking a few more articles into FA-dom and do rcpatrol, the usual stuff that gets admins promoted. I'm really, really sorry that you had the introduction to Wikipedia that you did, though honestly I have to admire the fact that unlike me you didn't chicken out and run away from your mistakes. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  19:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've actually been reviewing many thousands of recent changes and new articles, but I don't seem to be getting credit for it, which perplexes me.  How can I make my efforts more visible? --Elonka 20:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * New articles are never perfect, there's always something that can be done with them. What I did (and really, what I need to do more of) is stub-sorting, welcoming new users, and "maintenance" things like adding categories, proposing that...ehh, unrecoverable articles be deleted, etc.
 * More importantly than any of this is the question of why you want to be an admin in the first place. If you're wanting to be an admin to help out Wikipedia, that's great, but "getting credit for it" almost makes adminship sound like a prize or something to be sought after.
 * I frequently (well, on IRC) use the term "demotion" when referring to the end of an RfA. If you're reading Wikipedia, you're at the high end of the spectrum. You're who we're doing all this work for. Once you start editing, you've been "hired" but they're not paying you, so it's a pretty low-end job, right? When you get suckered into demoted to admin, it's a demotion because you're getting the exact same pay you were before (i.e. nada) yet you're doing more work. If you get demoted again, say into checkuser or oversight or arbcom or (like me) a mediation coordinator, you're doing yet more work, and still getting paid zilch.
 * It's a very thankless job, and really the only ways to get credit for what you do is to crow about your own accomplishments, work closely with others that will do it for you, or work a high-profile project like Featured Article Candidates, Did You Know, or the like. Personally, I think with your resources you may want to consider going through your photos and putting a few up on Commons, that way your work "survives the day" I suppose you could say. I try to do similar, but my artistic skills are next to nil, and my photographic skills, while average, suffer from the fact that my Precioussss (a fairly high-end, if old, DSLR) was stolen. *sob*
 * Anywho! Rambling aside, I imagine the best solution is to keep working at what you're doing, make sure you enjoy doing it, and if in a few months someone says "Eh, let's stick Elonka back up for admin," then you're not terrified of it either passing or failing.
 * You're quite welcome to chat here if you'd like, though given that Kylus are notorious for being a bit dim, forgive me if I'm not quite as interesting as what you're accustomed to on here. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  20:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh in terms of "getting credit," I didn't mean that I want an award or something... I meant that I've had a few different people comment that they'd like to see me spend more time reviewing recent changes.  But, I do spend time reviewing such things, to the tune of having reviewed many thousands of recent changes and new articles.  I've tagged thousands of articles as uncategorized, tagged enough as "need wikification" that I actually had one "wikify" editor get annoyed that I was tagging them too fast, and done countless other edits for cleanup and categorization and spam-fighting. I've been involved in deletion discussions for pretty much every type of beastie that Wikipedia has. And yet, you, and others, have still said that I don't seem to have done enough, and should do more.  So it seems that people are unaware of what I've done in that regard, and I'm trying to figure out how to make my efforts more visible. Does that make sense?   As for why I want to be an admin...  I just love this stuff.  :)  I adore online communities, I've given talks on online communities, I've put together white papers on them.  And Wikipedia is a culture that just fascinates me.  I think Wikipedia is an amazing project, that is going to become as much of a household name as Google.  For myself, I have been involved with building several other online communities, and helped shepherd them through their various growth phases, and I'd like to be here to help Wikipedia through its own growing pains.  I'd be good for Wikipedia -- a useful ingredient to the recipe.  :)  And adminship will help me to be more effective in that regard.  Plus, it's just another way to help me understand the culture here.  Believe it or not, in some ways I was kind of glad that the RfA failed, because it's giving me that much more insight into the emotional background here.  In other words, if my RfA would have succeeded immediately, I wouldn't know as much about what it was like to have an unsuccessful one!  :) --Elonka 21:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * (deindent) Oh, please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying you haven't done enough! I'll be brutally honest: If you hadn't have been such a high-profile case, and that WP:COI and WP:AUTO concerns weren't pestering people, I'd bet you'd have been an admin months ago. The best you can do now is try to make peace with the people that hold these things against you... you don't have to extract a promise for them to !vote for you (in fact, that'd be a Bad Thing) but sincerely attempt to make amends with those opponents, like Danny, who felt you were anti-wiki. If you'd like to get into a discussion of Wiki (a way not dissimilar to Tao in its inability to be explained) let me know. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks!


When I started my second editor review, I had no idea how greatly helpful it would be to me. Here are people from across the world who I've never met or laid eyes upon, taking their personal time to think about me and offer me valuable criticism and advice. And the stuff I've learnt is more helpful in real life than just on Wikipedia. This is an experiment I will never forget. I thank you most sincerely for your kindness, for helping me be a better person. I am very much in your debt. Rama's arrow 15:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)




 * Err... <font color="#ff00ff">*blush* no problem? <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Jessica_simpson121
This user is currently editing under a name of a "well-known living or recently deceased person" which is inappropriate per the guidelines at WP:U. I told her that she would have to change the name but she continues to edit. I appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thanks, Cbrown1023 19:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest talking to Pschemp or another admin about that. I don't usually deal with the username stuff, so I don't have as good a handle on how the community feels about those types of blocks. Alternatively, you could mention it on WP:AN. Interestingly and incidentally, she was reverted by User:AA Milne, whose namesake is the author of the Winnie the Pooh series, so somewhere between AA Milne and Greg Bear (who really is the author, btw) there's a line between acceptable and unacceptable. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for the suggestions. Cbrown1023 00:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's okay though, she's changing it now. Cbrown1023 00:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Things work out in the end. She probably just didn't know any better. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  01:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

HU12
I'm asking for your help in curbing Hu12 from viewing his history he is out of control and on a power trip. He has left a threatening message on my page and has taken it upon himself to regulate what links I can post. He does not own wiki, nor is even an admin. I do not appreciate his lack of fairness, understanding, and maturity. He has an absolute agenda, and it should not be tolerated. To threaten a ban against me for adding a site I find valueable if beyond rediculous. If he's going to do that he needs to edit every single wiki listing that has any external like, and threaten them as well. He has a personal vendetta against me and he is abusing your system, please do something about this. I see he is having problems with many other people as well.--Edited By a Professor of Life 03:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * feel free to read these Please read the policies EinsteinEdits,Removal of commercial links, and Posing as an administrator,Spam, Notes to you yet you still spam HERE BTW, curious how my contribs keep getting vandalized.. (AOL)proxy..Hu12 03:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Read, pondered, and I might suggest that you avoid adding external links of any sort for a while. Hu12 isn't the first user to have issues with your external links, EinsteinEdits. Also, see the note regarding SonicAD's "anonymous AOL user" problem and apply it here as well, thanks. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  15:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: your comments I don't even have or use aol, so I think you are completely wrong. Now I give you credit for guessing.. LOL but no it's not me, I have nothing to do with it, and I don't use aol as an isp. Saying something came from the same block as me is a joke you and I both know that, as we both know I'm not using aol.

Nice to see you support wild rampant abuse of the system though because someone has a personal vendetta against me, why? Because I caught the fact that they have listed links to personal sites he owns, and deleted other sites as spam.

Regardless you're wrong, and would like to see your off the wall guess's about my block be removed, as you know they are not true but just a hunch. The guy on a editing rampage and sure to piss off many many people he is your problem, not I --Edited By a Professor of Life 04:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Requests for checkuser/Case/EinsteinEdits, see diff, to quote, The 152.xxxx block is an AOL range which EinsteinEdits has used. I've asked another checkuser privately, who confirmed this. The IP used today was 152.163.100.66 (reverting Hu12 from your talkpage earlier) and 152.163.100.14 and 64.12.116.8 (both from Hu12's talkpage, conveniently after having a disagreement with you). Checkuser confirms that you, in fact, are editing from AOL-assigned IP addresses. I'm sorry, but you're incorrect, and I'm done playing games with this bunch. Good night. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  04:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Kylu, thanks for your time, research and effort in this matter. Hu12 07:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You're not a detective, your checkuser stuff is laughable. I use adelphia as an isp, and don't even own aol. So I don't even believe that you think or may have recieved wrong info. I believe it's just a hunch and you're completely making it up. I don't see how the 2 isps could even be confused or share same ip's which I know they can't and won't. Just checked my ip and it's nothing near what you even mentioned either.I'm getting fed up with this nonsense, bs and false accusations because this kid hu has a personal vendetta against me.. I'm REALLY getting sick of it. --Edited By a Professor of Life 15:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it said you were editing from a RoadRunner account using the AOL software to mask your IP, but whatever. I'm done "investigating", and there's enough reason to beleive that you're actively vandalizing (by removing another user's contributions) that the next time it happens, we'll have considered you duly warned for it. For now, please stop arguing on my talkpage and find something productive to do. Thanks. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  16:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Notes to self

 * Special:Contribs/76.182.42.121 Block  (RoadRunner Cable) (smush).carolina.res.rr.com
 * Special:Contribs/64.12.116.8 cache-mtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com
 * Special:Contribs/152.163.100.8 cache-rtc-aa04.proxy.aol.com
 * Special:Contribs/152.163.100.10 cache-rtc-aa06.proxy.aol.com
 * Special:Contribs/152.163.100.14 cache-rtc-aa10.proxy.aol.com
 * Special:Contribs/152.163.100.66 cache-rtc-ab02.proxy.aol.com
 * Special:Contribs/152.163.100.73 cache-rtc-ab09.proxy.aol.com
 * Special:Contribs/152.163.101.6 cache-rtc-ae02.proxy.aol.com


 * Special Rangeblock (Blocks all of AOL's 152.163.*.* proxies)

Greetings
Best. Newbie greeting template. Ever. Thanks for rocking so hard. +sj + 05:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ya like that one hm? :) Thanks! <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  05:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing up yesterday's and today's confusion
Hi Kylu. I had sent in a letters, last night and today, asking why you should be using non-specific banning messages. My last email ended with my observation that IT HELPS ALOT to use the specific User Name within the Block Message. This is because you can instantly call up his contributions and see for yourself what the admins are dealing with. This actually makes us GREATLY APPRECIATIVE of the hard job admins do here, even if it is temporarily annoying and inconvenient to us, as individual members. :o) --A green Kiwi in learning mode 21:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, sadly, there was no specific editor I could point at to do so. (Not quite true, but I'm trying to be nice still.) My suggestion, if you'd like to know what's going on, is to look at the contributions of User:Hu12, then on each of those pages, check the history. Some vandal has been going out of his way to both hurt the Project and harass Hu12, and I was really rather focused on trying to stop the abuse. Quite honestly, after dealing with that mess, I'm inclined to view AOL as one very large and incredibly annoying open proxy. :( <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  22:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi again Kylu. Yes, isn't it annoying, and not just the admins, but to us, the registered users.  I have tried using the secure server, but as a dial-up customer, too far out in the country to get anything else, it is cold weather molasses slow and I simply cannot use it when pages take minutes to load.


 * I am one of those editors who would agitate like crazy (if I knew how) for requiring registration for ALL editors, simply so blocks could be limited to actual user names. No, this wouldn't cure everything, but I think it would chop off a LOT of the thankless hours of work you admins must put in... when you time could be so much more satisfyingly spent running bots or mediating disputes or spending some of that "days gone by" pleasure of just editing topics that move you to do so....  :o)  --A green Kiwi in learning mode 00:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mm, honestly, I try to do what I did before (though it does involve flitting between things a lot). The whole admin thing is really more just being trusted to not be a complete idiot with the extra buttons you end up with. The catch to that is that once you have the extra buttons, you're encouraged to use them for the sake of those who are doing without. Feel free to hang around this page and chat with the others, seems The In Thing To Do anymore. :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

red cross
I'd like to learn more about red cross volunteering. Can you give me pointers? our WP pages are rather meager. +sj + 23:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm a Boy Scout, so I would like to help with this question. If you want to volunteer with the Red Cross (you really should), you should find your local Red Cross chapter and ask them. To do that, you can either look in the phonebook, or you can go on Mapquest or something like that and look for it. It's really unfortunate that our pages on Wikipedia are meager on this thing, but that's all the help I can give. Hope that helps!!--<tt> C hi  li  fix </tt> 23:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chili, you hit the nail on the head there! Please note that you'll want to set aside a few days to do the training and that if you haven't had a Hepatitis B series, you'll want to have one scheduled (since you may come in contact with unknown-source blood). Expect that you may be ill the day after getting your shots. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your help Kylu I put the hidden boxes in the about me section of my userpage. Please feel free to take a look.-- Seadog Please review me! 23:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 元気. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  00:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFM
Hi Kylu - I request some guidance - I want to help out at WP:RFM, but I'm a bit confused on how and where to start. Can I be of help to you there? Rama's arrow 04:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * To clarify, Kylu works at Mediation Cabal, not Mediation Committee. RFM is a MedCom process that Kylu doesn't have anything to do with. If you still want to help with MedCom, you probably should talk to User:Guanaco and visit the MedCom page for instructions. :) 207.145.133.34 13:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Mediation Cabal has a number of religious-ethnic cases that are not taken as yet. Perhaps you'd be interested in handling one of those, Ranma's Arrow? See Mediation Cabal/Cases. :) <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  19:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiLove
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has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Hello, Kylu, thank you for helping me design my userpage. The code has been copied and is on my userpage. As you have done this to help me, I smiled at you!  •S  e  an•gorter•  (T) (P) 05:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No prob. n.n <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  19:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Think you can pass me some Advil also? :D <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  05:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
I would like to thank you for helping with my Last Call Poker page. RocketMaster 19:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, just clarifying things a little. <font color="#FF00FF">~Kylu (u|t)  23:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)