User talk:L'Aquatique/Archive 2

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Hahaha, oh wow!

 * Homebridge, actually. I'm a senior, been homeschooled since 7th grade.  Might have something to do with my lack of a real social life.  :)  Anyways, I'll be ditching town in April, won't have to worry about that silly stuff.  Regards, --Merovingian (T, C) 14:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That's right! Time's going so fast, I almost miss everything already.  --Merovingian (T, C) 02:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Heyas
I stumbled onto an WP:AN dealing with Hopiakuta, Administrators' noticeboard/Wiki editor DonFphrnqTaub Persina and just wanted to congratulate you on the patience and kindness you showed, which was followed by a 'holy crap, i might actually know you!' reaction when I read your userpage :) If I believed in barnstars I would give you one for the dedication you displayed to helping this user and making the 'pedia a more open place for all. - M  ask?  05:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks! I only wish I had more time to spend doing that stuff. From your user page, I see that you are no longer in Juneau, which is a bummer. I love it here!  l'aqùatique    talk   00:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Blue-Legged Hermit Crab
Hi, L'Aqua. I know you're the aquarium person here, so I'd like you to help me expand this article, from which I understand is quite common. Thanks, and drop me a line at my talk page.  bibliomaniac 1  5  00:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Request for Rollback
Hiya. I've granted your request for rollback. Please remember to only use it for obvoius vandalism. Any queries please feel free to ask me or any other admin or rollbacker. Pedro : Chat  07:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You got it! Thanks for your time. L'Aquatique talk 07:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome. Pedro : Chat  15:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Homosexuality
(moved from Vantucky's Talk)''You'll have to forgive me for potentially being dense, but what exactly was the meaning of this edit? I reverted it because it looks an awful lot like vandalism, but imagine my surprise when... it's a edit from an admin!'' ''Now, I am all for non-censorship, swearing until my fucking ears bleed, and yes, consenting naked dudes in the shower. But doesn't putting up a picture like that sort of give readers the wrong idea, especially when "promiscuity" is a really awful stereotype associated with homosexuality? ''Now, given that there's a tag saying you're away, I'm a little worried you've been hacked. Please, explain to me what is going on here?!'' L'Aquatique [talk ]  07:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Vandalism? How could adding an image of what are obviously homosexuals to the homosexuality article be vandalism? And "no censorship" doesn't really apply in this case, it's just two guys with their shirts off embracing, it's not sex or other adult content. If you want to dicker about how good the image is at illustrating the subject, that's fine of course, but vandalism? I think you need to work a little harder to assume good faith. Van Tucky 07:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * (moved from Vantucky's talk) I disagree. I've had that page on my watchlist for a long time, and it gets vandalised all the time and honestly, that does seem like a vandal edit to me. I think of it this way: there isn't a picture of a naked man and a woman in the shower at heterosexuality, why would that sort of image be appropriate at homosexuality? Surely there are images out there that illustrate homosexuality just as well without vaguely hinting that homosexual relationships are largely about sex- which is the vibe I got from that image.
 * I'm sorry if you feel that I'm being paranoid or not assuming good faith, but I feel that my message was really quite neutral. In fact, the entire thing was phrased as a question.
 * <font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  07:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Everybody's friends again, and I don't want to stir the pot, but I have to say that your edit summary did tally with my feelings. At first, I thought the added image was vandalism. Then I checked out VanTucky and saw admin and thought someone had hacked his account, so I emailed him (as his page suggested). At any rate, L'A., I took your "oh please" to be in a lighthearted, Joan Rivers-ish vein, and immediately regretted spending all that time explaining why I was about to revert when you summed it up so concisely! (Incidentally, either VanTucky didn't read my lengthy explanation or he didn't agree: the people in the image are not "obviously homosexuals"). Rivertorch (talk) 18:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes,I'm glad it's all resolved. Frankly, I got some bad feelings from the whole ordeal... it just seems like I was fairly kind about the whole ordeal- with the exception of the edit summary in question- which is difficult for me because I'm not known for mincing words or pulling punches, and I kinda got smacked in the face. I guess I'm just happy he wasn't really hacked and I didn't have to deal with it. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  18:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:ACC
You have been approved to use the ACC account creation interface. Remember to use it often to help keep the backlog away! -- FastLizard4 (Talk•Index•Sign) 21:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks- I'll hop to it right away. This should mesh nicely with my WP:ACCESS work. :) <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  21:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Heyy
Thanks for watching over me!And for the compliment! have a great day! Mr. GreenHit Me Up Userboxes 15:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, no problem, man. If you ever need anything, just pop me a message here or via e-mail. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  19:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Replied over there...

 * Just saw you register the new account, and, I've approved your account. Thanks, for being patient with our work-in-progress :) SQL <sup style="font-size: 5pt;color:#999">Query me!  04:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: your idea for the references section
{originally posted at Graham's talk page) Hey, I hope this finds you well-  As you most likely already know, there has been ongoing discussion about the formatting issues surrounding the references sections in articles. Because the fonts are so small that they're borderline-illegible, it's making it difficult for folks to properly read them without some serious squinting action. Frankly, it's a headache in more ways than one. However, we have been told that the reason they are like that in the first place is because some articles (particularly the science ones) have massive amounts of references and if the font size wasn't so small, the pages would be ridiculously long.  ''So, I've been fiddling around with different solutions (see WP:VPP, and the idea that I've finally settled on is to use a bit of css code to place the references section in a scrollbox. I think it looks really great, and it doesn't have some of the problems I was dealing with when I was trying to use hidden. I'm especially happy that, unlike with hidden you can jump directly from an inline reference marker to that individual reference without having to do any extra scrolling. Or at least, that's the case when browsing wikipedia normally. I strongly believe that this will work with screen readers too, but I want to be sure before I go any farther.  What I'd appreciate if you did, if you have some extra time and don't mind being my guinea pig, is to go to my test page (User:L'Aquatique/Template Box) and click on the first inline citation you find, then let me know if it works properly. Just as fair warning, the test page is a copy of String theory- the first article I thought of when I went to go find something with lots of refs. However, you shouldn't have to wade through too mu physics gobbledegook to find a reference. ''Thanks so much for your time, hopefully this won't take up too much of it. You can reply here or on my talk page, but if you do reply here please place the talkback on my talk page as I'm a bit of a space cadet and would probably forget to watch this page. You don't have to reply with mind-blowing super-hero speed like in the past, although you won't find me complaining if you do. *grin*. Thanks again and happy, uh, Wednesday...  <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  22:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC) ''

I have no problems with it. I found footnote 7 randomly and pressed enter on it, and was taken to note 7 in the references section as expected. I tried it a few more times on other footnotes and it worked properly. The only thing is ... 31 refs really isn't that much. Israel has 244 refs and Manhattan has 212 - I'm trying to figure out why I've had to fix it twice. Does your idea still work if reflist is split into more than one column like ? Graham 87 00:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it has multicolumn support or not, it would be nice if it did but I'm not going to be upset if it doesn't. The truth is, the point of the whole thing is to render the use of multiple columns obsolete: there have been a ton of complaints about it. (If you have a high tolerance for pain, check this out: Template_talk:Reflist. Reading the whole thing, at least to me, it felt like I was entering the twilight zone or something... For example, here's a little quote to cut your teeth on: "I think its arrogant to expect Wikipedia's current reflists to be completely overhauled because Safari is buggy, instead of demanding Safari fix your browser. A vocal minority is still a minority." Just plain strangeness.) Anyway, back to what I was saying, I'd like to see, if this idea goes forward, multiple columns go away and font sizes get significantly bigger. Perhaps it's a pipe dream, but it's good to know it works fine with screen readers.
 * Well, I'm going to go change my sample article to something with more references. Thanks so much again for your time, I'll pass the findings on to everyone else. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  01:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Update: there is support for at least up to three columns. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  03:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Citation
You wrote :
 * « She is currently studying to be a marine biologist at the University of Alaska Southeast »

So, please notice the user:Lycaon (both wikigraphist and Marine biologist). bye ^-^y 220.135.4.212 (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:South Park Holiday Specials
Category:South Park Holiday Specials, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:34, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Skagway
You guys sort it out over there about what to do. I'll just sit back and laugh when you all have to re-do the changes I made that I see were already reverted. --Polaron | Talk 12:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said, it's up to you guys at WikiProject Alaska to decide. If you look hard enough you'll find the sources. I don't work on Alaska articles so it doesn't bother me if they're out of date. --Polaron | Talk 21:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Ads
Hi, you are doing a wonderful job with Wikipedia's ads. However, could you add the images that you used per attribution?  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  18:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, maybe I'm just spacey right this minute, but I'm not sure I understand? I attribute every bit and piece that I didn't make from the ground up in the permissions section: usually it's just fonts. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  21:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Like with the Italian flag in this image, you need to properly attribute the person who you took the image from. I think WP:BANNER says this as well.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  00:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I believe I've been interpreting copyright law incorrectly then. I was under the impression that, since I made it in photoshop and the ratio of the dimensions were different than in a flag, then it is my work that I am free to release under whatever license I wish. You can't copyright colors or patterns, can you? :S (I'm not being sarcastic here, by the way, I'm really a bit perplexed) <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  03:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not exactly. Since you used the flag of the country as an image, then you should attribute the flag. I am not talking about the colors. I am talking about the flag. I attribute each picture that I use for the banners/ads as a part of GFDL/CC licenses.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  04:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I didn't use an image Imade it with shapes in PS but no point arguing semantics, especially in a "I don't make the rules I just enforce them" situation! I'll go change the italy one and I guess the Alaska one. Thanks for the heads up! <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  22:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for your co-operation.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  02:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Ads
Hi there I have a request for you. I saw your work at the Graphics Lab and was wondering if you would make a new ad for WikiProject Ohio? The original is Image:Qxz-ad134.gif and is really in a sad state. Wording doesn't have to be the same either. Thanks for your time. §hep  •   ¡Talk to me!  03:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, man. It may be a day or two though- believe it or not I'm actually supposed to be on vacation!! Any particular design elements you want incorporated into it or do you want to be surprised? <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  03:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I like to Ohio stub icon. But surprises work too.  You're the artist!  Thanks for the help and have fun on your WikiBreak!  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  03:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're my new favorite person! Thanks a lot!  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  17:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course I am! Feel free to shower me in frankincense, myrrh, belgian chocolate, and barnstars... Just kidding again, of course. (I joke a lot) If you need anything else don't hesitate to pop on over- doing these ads a bunch of fun and gives much needed practice with the animation feature of Photoshop. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  17:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to give you this and had an edit conflict with you! I stepped away for a few; and hopefully I can edit? lol (unindent) Yay! A barnstar! Which is awesome, because honestly I wouldn't know what to do with frankincense. :D Thanks so much. Have a great Monday. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  18:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

GIMP
I saw you were listed at WP:HAU, and that you indicated "images".

I'm looking for an experienced GIMP user. Or an experienced graphics designer willing to download and learn the GIMP (it's free, and its multi-layer file format makes collaborating on artwork easy).

Are you one?

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   00:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose that depends on what exactly you would need me to do. I've tried the GIMP, was thoroughly and notably unimpressed. However, seeing as it's free I would be willing to re-download it and give it another shot.
 * I am not, however, very experienced working with vector graphics. My specialties are web/logo design and photography. I can point to you several people who are much better with the vector format than I am if that is what you would like to work with.
 * Does that answer your question? <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  03:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm looking more for image editing rather than image creation using mathematical equations. That you were unimpressed by GIMP leaves me wondering what graphics software you find impressive.

Here's what I've been working on and need help with...

It's one of 3 awards being developed for an upcoming collaboration/competition (July 15th). It's geography-related and international in scope and therefore a world-theme seemed appropriate.

I liked the globe in stand of the interlingual barnstar award, but the barnstar made the globe unusable:



So I stripped out the globe and barnstar, to get this:



I needed a transparent background, and all that took was to add a transparent layer, then select and erase the original background so the transparent background is all that was left:



I then found a picture of Earth in this screen capture from NASA's Worldwind program:



I carefully drew a thick red ring around the Earth, blacked out (painted black over) everything outside the red ring, then made the black transparent, followed by making the red transparent, leaving just the globe.

The GIMP supports layering, scaling, and positioning, which makes it easy to add components, so I added the blue marble to the globe stand to get this...



Then I took this:



And added an alpha layer (1st transparent layer) to it and then removed the white surrounding the globe (leaving just the transparent background), removed the black, changed the white to black, and touched it up by erasing bits here and there, and adding a couple lines. Then I pasted the whole thing into the above image as a new layer, positioned it over the Blue Marble and underneath the rim of the globe stand and reduced the layer's opacity by a little over half. I also isolated the shadow and moved it to its own layer (so it can be easily altered), and I enlarged the canvas to accomodate the addition of another element (see below).



If I used vector graphics for any of the above, I'm totally unaware of it.

Now it needs a passport, laying on the same surface that the stand is resting on, while retaining the shadow. The words on the passport need to be readable.

Here's a passport I designed with a little help:



It needs to be added as a layer to the GIMP xcf file, underneath the shadow. Then the scaling, perspecitive, and rotation tools need to be applied to shrink and position it so that it is laying flat underneath the globe stand, at an attractive angle.

This passport is kind of rough, and so we should probably make a new one from scratch (the problem is that this one is already at an angle which makes adjusting perspective difficult, and also the words might not be visible enough, and its right edge is a bit jagged).

Then the shadow will need to be adjusted to look right on top of the passport, and on whatever background is selected for the award. It'll be a multi-rank award, so I'm not sure yet what background or backgrounds will be used.

So that's it - once a passport has been added and the shadow is fixed, the image will be done.

Is this the type of image manipulation you are familiar with?

I'll need to get the .xcf file to you. Do you have an email address I can send it to?

I've been told Inkscape supports .xcf. Do you use Inkscape?

Or any other program that supports .xcf?

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   06:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU
Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Back to the drawing board ...
It appears the globe stand was from a copyrighted image.

This means we're back to square one.

We need to either find another globe stand, or come up with a new idea altogether for the "Wikipedia World Traveler" award.

I look forward to any ideas you might have.

 Th e Tr ans hu man ist   00:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, man. First off, I want to say I'm really sorry I didn't reply to your original post. I needed some time to mull over exactly what you were saying. Also, my two month old computer crashed spectacularly in a fiery hellstorm of awfulness. My internet is on the fritz as well so I haven't been able to download GIMP. As it is it takes like five minutes to load a page. I'm going to be traveling from Wednesday to Sunday which means I will be in a hotel with high speed internet (the best kind of traveling!) so how about I spend tomorrow contemplating ideas for an award and I will write to you tomorrow night? <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  04:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My computer is about to die- charger cable isn't working!! Anyway, I think you're going to have to find someone else to help you. Sorry... <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  05:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Koosh ball
I totally forgot I left a request there. I've added the resolved tag to the request and added your image to the article. Thanks! <font face="Calibri">TIM KLOSKE 01:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

ze rfa thank spamm'en
hey L'aqua, I just wanted to thank you for participating in my recent RFA. thusly, I've left some templated thank spam for you below. you are also welcome to comment at my in-depth RFA analysis. happy editing, xenocidic (talk) 23:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC) <div class="NavHead" style="background:87 CE EB;">templated rfa thank-spam <div class="NavContent" style="text-align:left; background:240 248 255;">

I would like to thank the community for placing their trust in me during my recent request for adminship, which passed 72 13 2. Rest assured, I have read each comment thoroughly and will be addressing the various concerns raised as I step cautiously into my new role as janitor. In particular, I would like to thank Balloonman for putting so much time into reviewing my contributions and writing such a thoughtful nomination statement after knowing me for only a brief period of time (and for convincing me that I was ready to take up the mop now, rather than go through admin coaching).
 * Thank you for your support

To my fellow admins - please let me know right away if I ever take any mis-steps with my new tools. Should I make a mistake, and you reverse the action, I will not consider it to be wheel-warring (but please tell me so I can understand what I did wrong).

To everyone - please feel free to slap me around a bit if I ever lose sight of the core philosophy of Wikipedia as I understand it - the advancement of knowledge through the processes of mutual understanding and respect. As always, feel free to drop by my talk page if I can be of any assistance. =)

Sincerely,

~xenocidic, 01:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Hello, members and friends of WP:LGBT! I'm not one to be writing newsletters, but I miss our cruise director, Miss Julie, and our project is drifting along with a few leaking plugs in the bottom of the boat. Hey, it happens. Every group we join goes through changes. If Wikipedia weren't so interesting it wouldn't also be so frustrating sometimes. And vice versa. More than one Wikiproject has tumbleweeds blowing through it, but this is one that can't afford to let that happen. Even if you pop in to the talk page of the project, you can let us know you're still around.

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WP:LGBT's Role in HIV / AIDS articles
It wouldn't be a proper gay community without a li'l bit o' drama! That's right. If we aren't arguing about something, then we should be asking if we're still queer. Maybe that's for the best, since we know we're still kicking. Our most recent topic is how far the role of our project should go in dipping our toes into HIV/AIDS articles. The main AIDS article was delisted as a Featured Article last month, sadly. (Sending a swift kick to WP:Medicine.) A spirited discussion is available for your entertainment on the WP:LGBT talk page about just how much of HIV and AIDS should we take on. As ever, we'll take your opinions under advisement. We're going to have to, because it doesn't seem to have been settled.

Is Pride POV?
We have a pretty cool sidebar that identifies core LGBT articles. Its symbol is the iconic gay pride flag, much like other Wikiprojects have iconic symbols denoting the topic is a core subject in a series of articles. However, a question recently arose asking if the symbol itself is not neutral. Should a pride flag show up at the top of the article on Conversion therapy? How else would anyone know the article is about queer issues? Is there another symbol that is as widely recognized and that includes all our many splintered facets? At what point do we stop asking ourselves all these questions and just go have a mint julep on the verandah and stop caring?

Harvey Milk and Jim Jones
For the love of all that is holy, no Kool Aid jokes. However, an editor involved in pioneering San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk's article has included a section about the late supervisor's support of Jim Jones and the People's Temple. While it may be accurate, there is a Request for Comment regarding how much emphasis the section places on Milk's support in light of his overall political influence on the city, and indeed the rest of the United States. Milk's article is a sad one in more ways than one. It lacks the detail and heart that honors its subject. Anyone want to do a barter with me? I'll bring Harvey Milk to featured status (give me a month or two so I can read stuff), if you do something of equal value to WP:LGBT?? Make me an offer...

Queer Studies is offensive!
The established branch of study known as Queer studies was brought up as an category for deletion because an editor was offended by the use of "queer" in the title. It was overwhelmingly rejected mostly by the usernames I see here on our Wikiproject page. (A clue that I know you are out there, hiding...biding your time...) So, I wish I could congratulate you, but now I'm all confused by my sympathy for the editor who was offended. So, if you're reading this, Moni has a short memory and can't remember your username. Don't be put off by our demonstrative pushiness. Join us. We can always use involved editors.

Lambda Literary Awards
What can you do to help the project out? Be a wiki-fairy, on many levels. There are all kinds of articles that need help. Why, just this morning I removed those ugly wikify and cleanup tags from four articles at random. If you can put  around stuff, you can clean up articles. There's a list of articles that need attention at the top of the WP:LGBT talk page. Or you can start with the Lambda Literary Awards, where the goddess of my altar received a pioneering award, and was "reduced to rubble" by Katherine V. Forrest's wonderful speech. The 20th ceremony of the Lambda Literary Awards, which celebrates LGBT literature, took place in West Hollywood on May 29th. The page needs to be updated with the new winners, to be found on the official website.


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Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Arthur C. Clarke and Bernard Montgomery
Why on earth would someone want to delete material about homosexuality? 'Tis truly a mystery. But these embattled articles have some random evil gnomes removing information that places these folks under our queer umbrella. Help us keep an eye out for the deletions. Take a peek at the articles, familiarize yourselves with the info, and be handy with the undo function in the article history. If tempers flare, take it to the Hall monitors and let them sort it out. Best solution is to make sure your sources are immaculate.

This month's Wiki stars
This is what I get for opening my big fat mouth and suggesting the newsletter should be revived. Here I am writing it. So, to pat self on back (*cough*) Mulholland Dr. became a featured article in May. This is A Good Thing since it is my personal declaration that there is no such thing as lesbian porn. I don't care what Benjiboi says about the video collection at goodvibes. Instead, we have hot women who connect on a deep, personal, soul-touching level, so this film should qualify as some of the skankiest porn available for lesbians. Plus, it's completely confusing and surreal! D'you think Laura Harring would care that the article is featured? I don't think so either... (Call me, Laura!)

Compulsive hoarding of templates
Once I saw a harrowing episode of Animal Planet's Animal Cops where this guy had, like, 250 cats in his house and it freaked me right out. I'm drawing a parallel between 250 cats and, well...three, really, templates in articles involving LGBT issues. Can we stick to one, maybe? In the aforementioned Harvey Milk's article there's a core LGBT template, a link to the LGBT portal, and a sidebar for LGBT rights. Jiminy! You'd think we weren't the folk to set industrial grey carpeting and track lighting in vogue. An LGBT footer was designed to link to articles of interest that aren't the aforementioned core articles. What do you think, can we have either an LGBT template for core articles, a footer for LGBT articles that are high profile but not core, or an LGBT rights template? As ever, anything's up for discussion on the WP:LGBT talk page.

The Violet Quill and magazines
Zigzig20s suggests we create an article on The Violet Quill, as it seems such a milestone in the advancement of gay/queer literature. Members of the Quill all have pages of their own (Edmund White, Christopher Cox, Robert Ferro, Michael Grumley, Andrew Holleran, Felice Picano, and George Whitmore). We need to find more info on the Quill per se to reference the page that we create. Perhaps Google Books - and libraries? - can help.

A number of magazines also need articles, perhaps most notably QW, LGNY, and Lesbian Feminist Liberation.

Mom's nagging for Pride Month
It's June, Pride month. Wear sunscreen, stay hydrated, get a designated driver, then go half-dressed in the streets find a girlfriend or boyfriend, or some homo who's standing there looking lonely and kiss 'em up real good. Remember, it all started 39 years ago when a bunch of drag queens just got fed the f*ck up by the cops raiding the bar and dragging them all out to the pokey again. Rock on, queens! Enjoy your celebrations. My town's is in October, and 200 people attend. I miss Denver.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Hey, I've seen you around! Sorry there seem to be so many—it's been a while. But we welcome you all: Cheezisyum21, Taineyah, Dustihowe, Avesta69, RachelSummers77, Vivekgopinathan, AMK1211, Staffwaterboy, Ted Ted, Joe5150, Leahtwosaints, Robapalooza, Arthomure, Confusionball, Affinity likely, PrinceOfCanada, Yobmod, Npd2983, Neagley, Bvlax2005, Bvlax2005, Rhullsf, Textorus, Kieran.casey, Tyciol, Meojive, Sappho'd, Bookkeeperoftheoccult,  Gaywarrior, Aujourd'hui, maman est morte, and Balin42632003.

It looks like we've picked up a lot of talent lately. We have no doubt you'll be making your indelible mark on LGBT knowledge as we know it, here at Wikipedia.

- In the immortal words of Miss Julie, "May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon."
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Hi! You've a lovely user page; would've loved to sign your guest book. Alas! There's none, or may be I couldn't find it. If and when you do decide to have one, please let me know. I'd definitely like to sign. Have a nice day. Take care.

<font color="#800080">—Ketan <font color="#000000">Panchal <font color="#2F4F4F"> t aL K  16:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so for the kind words about my userpage! I don't have a guest book because I don't really see the point of it- Wikipedia's not a social networking site, after all! However, it doesn't bother me when other people have one- some people work better when they have wiki-buddies. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva">talk ]  19:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! Yes, I do agree with you about Wikipedia not being a social networking site, but it's just these small little things that make it a bit less impersonal, and especially if these things don't come in your way of contributing, it's absolutely alright. Though, thanks for your reply. And all the best contributing to Wikipedia. Regards. <font color="#800080">—Ketan <font color="#000000">Panchal <font color="#2F4F4F"> t aL K  05:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

License tagging for Image:SP Chinpokomon.jpeg
Thanks for uploading Image:SP Chinpokomon.jpeg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

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WikiProject Judaism
Hi, I was looking at the project banners and I noticed that there were two banners for WikiProject Judaism. See this ad that I made over a year ago. Let me know what you think.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  02:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, how did I miss that? I thought I looked through the adnavbox.
 * Well, I kind of like mine better, the color scheme matches the white/blue we use at WP:JEW and it has our new logo. Are you really attached to yours, or would you mind using mine? <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  03:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I will ask someone on Commons to delete the image later. Also, you don't have to use the talkback template because I am already watching your page. Just please be careful on making ads for those which exist. Thanks.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  17:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll make sure to pay more attention next time. I don't think the image needs to be deleted, you can just remove it from circulation in the template.
 * I'm curious though, is it frowned upon to make new versions of existing ads and upload over the old ones? It says you can do that on the template page but I think I'd feel a little uncomfortable... Regards- <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  19:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to ask the people before you remake their ads. Some of them I know take a long time to make.  <font color="#007BA7">miranda  00:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply
About the adoption thing. Will I still be able to edit? I won't be blocked or anything will I? I've read partially on the topic but not all of it. I'll read more to decide. I agree with you on the Lot of rules part. It is stressful indeed. Thanks for the offer and I'll get back to you in the near future. I love the Wikipedians that help. Some users can be mean but I over look it. Thank you!!! --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Condalence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 06:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I most definatly accept
I read the adoption page and I Definatly accept your offer. One question, Does your Username have to be on the Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters page? You have my Consent. It will be so fun!!! Thanks a million and more!!! --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Condalence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 06:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As I'm sure you've figured out, no, you will not be blocked, banned, or in any way stopped from contributing. My job is to guide you, answer questions, and help out whenever you need me- I have no binding authority over you, and since I'm not an admin I couldn't block you if I wanted to (which I don't! :D).
 * I actually am listed on that page- I've been part of this program for about six months and have adopted before! Usually, how it works is a new user will submit a request or approach an adopter, but it's not unheard of that an adopter offers adoption to a new user who didn't request it. In any case, there aren't a lot of rules that govern the program, and nearly all of them are in regard to my experience and conduct, not yours.
 * On with the show! Just a few things, I don't know what time zone you're in but I'm in UTC-9. If you scroll up, there is a clock that usually displays what time it is for me- sometimes it goes wacky so take whatever it says with a grain of salt. I usually work from about nine to five on most weekdays, but I'm a secretary (sigh) and when things are quiet I often log onto the Wiki, so you really never know when I'm going to be on (especially since statusbot- the bot that used to operate those online/offline markers- got blocked for some inscrutable purpose). Anyway, if I'm not responding fast enough to queries left on my talk page, you can pop me an e-mail, it's fromjuneauwithlove at gmail dot com. Generally, if you leave me a message on my talk page I'll reply here and then put a template called Talkback on your talk page, so you get the "You have new messages" notification. I've found this is the best way to keep conversations together without having to watchlist tons of user talk pages, but if you prefer I respond on your talk I can do that too.
 * What else about me? I guess you can read through my user page, there's tons of information about me, my interests, my activities here on the wiki, my beliefs, etc etc. I see from your contribs that you are very interested in magic, paganism, the occult, etc, something I know very little about, so you will have to be patient with me and hopefully the learning will be a two way street!
 * I guess that's about all I have to say for now. It's kind of late so I don't particularly want to get into actual work right now, save that for tomorrow. If you have any questions about me, the adoption process, or basically anything else, don't hesitate to ask. I've got a little bit of paperwork-esque stuff to do to solidify the adoption, so I should be on for another half an hour at least. Talk to you soon- <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  07:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I sort of already skimmed through your Userpage. I love how it is so neat!!! I see your interested in Biology Maybe you can help me out benefits of lightning to plants, I'm trying to improve the article but I don't have resources. I don't know the time because it isn't displaye at the top but i'll get to that at my preferences. My timezone is (GMT-5:00)eastern time(Us and Canada). . Right now it is 3:40 A.M. I usually work on wikipedia whenever I get a chance because I don't have a computer at my house so I use whatever I can. So it could be weeks before I edit again. But usually I Work all day. Today I worked as soon as I got up. I plan to stay up longer than 6:00 maybe. Where I live is in mississippi but now I'm in North Carolina so its like 2:38 to me. We share similar interests, I love Futurama. My two favorite characters are Bender and Zoyburg. I took a class of Biology I. South Park is the bomb. I also took a class on Desktop publishing. I love technology. Some things you know I don't know but some things I know you probably don't know. That's where the fun is, Learning. It really was a good idea for you to adopt me, thanks. Anything you may need help with? P.S - I'll have to get used to the thing. --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Condalence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 07:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, I'm good for now. I'm going to head off to the land of nod. If you would like something to do, I would suggest you skim through the Manual of Style, which gives a lot of information about the way articles should be set up, formatted, written, etc. Some WikiProjects have their own manuals of style, so it might be worth looking into to see of WikiProject Neopaganism has one. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  08:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm on it. Goodnight!!! --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Condalence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 08:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Thanks!
Hehe, no problem. My userpage has been vandalized plenty of times. iced kola(Mmm...) 22:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

What is up?
On the page of Article for deletion/gray magick it list Gray witch. Sould it have its own deletion article. On that page it has Gray magic and Gray witch. Should it only have Gray magic on there? --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Condalence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 22:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Huh, I see that. Normally, yes they would have separate AFD's, however it looks like the contents and problems are similar enough that the nominator decided to nominate them together. I can't say I agree with this decision, but it's his to make and I doubt I can convince him to do it separately, sorry.
 * How was the Manual of Style? <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  22:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Well it is a little simular because gray witches use gray magic. Anyways is Gray magic Still up for deletion? I saw the last edit by User:Esradekan and it said "Fixed (I think)". Also User:Esradekan tidied up the references. It'll make my day if it isn't deleted. --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Condalence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 22:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe he was saying fixed because there was some problem with the way the the afd template was used that created a duplicate listing for the article. It's possible the article will not be deleted, but I think it will, so here's what you should do: click this link and copy the entire article (copy it out of the edit box so you get all the formatting). Save the page, then let me know and I'll go over it and do a once over copyedit. Then we can talk about what needs to be done to get it fixed up and back in article space. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  22:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

reply
I was talking about Gray magick being deleted. See how confusing it can be with both of those on the same deletion page. I've already cut and pasted. They're in my Workplace. What could I do to keep them from being deleted? I've cleaned up the main problem, resourses and citeing. The links on gray magic were tidied.Check it out. --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Condalence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 22:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, but there's a problem with the way you have set the links up. I'll explain.
 * Here on wikipedia, we have things called [[namespaces, and all the pages are organized into them. For example, all the pages within the Template namespace are templates. These pages all begin with the prefix Template (i.e. Template:Talkback)
 * The main namespace we use is called, quite eloquently, the main namespace, and all the pages in it are articles. No prefix is necessary for these pages, so you simply type Gray magic into the search box and it takes you to the gray magic article. If gray magic was a template, or an image, you would have to type Template:Gray magic or Image:Gray magic to find that page.


 * Another namespace that we use commonly is the Wikipedia namespace. It is used for Administrative pages, like policies, WikiProjects, and commentary/deletion discussion. The problem with the way you set up your sandbox/workplace is you put the pages in the Wikipedia namespace. They need to be in the user namespace instead, or they will be deleted. I can move them for you but you'll have to wait a couple of hours, I need to go run an errand in real life. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aquatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  23:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Clock
Where do I go to add the clock to the top of my Page. I looked all in my preferences —Preceding unsigned comment added by Condalence (talk • contribs) 23:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

South Park question at WT:ICT
FYI, I answered your question you had posted at WT:ICT here.  howcheng  {chat} 05:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Cheers!!!
I am so happy!!! Can you look up anything on Gray witchcraft books? Use those key terms when looking on an online search engine. In the mean time I'll look for a good book. So gray witch and magic won't be deleted anytime soon? --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Cond a lence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 05:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's a list
--<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Cond a lence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 06:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Gray magic by Sarah Deher
 * Grey magic by Richard Leigh
 * Grey magic by Alan Yuill Walker
 * The Grey Witch by Diana Mitchell
 * Record Of Lodoss War: The Grey Witch Book 1 (Record of Lodoss War (Graphic Novels)) by Ryo Mizuno
 * Record Of Lodoss War: The Grey Witch Book 3 (Record of Lodoss War (Graphic Novels)) by Ryo Mizuno
 * Record Of Lodoss War: The Grey Witch Book 2 (Record of Lodoss War (Graphic Novels)) (Paperback)
 * Okay, the last three will not be considered reliable sources since they are novels, which by definition are fictional. I'll see what I can do about getting the first four, though. It won't be tonight... maybe tomorrow. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aqùatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  06:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I know I thought I could make a fiction section in the article. Can I take down that AFD template off the article? --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Cond a lence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 06:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Since the AFD is invalid can I take off the

Part? --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Cond a lence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 06:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, wait for an admin to officially close the afd and remove the tag. You can/should, however, change your vote from keep to speedy keep. <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aqùatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  06:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go to bed now, by the way... <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000000">L'Aqùatique <font color="#838B8B">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#838B8B">review  ]  06:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Good night!!! I'm going to research. Check out what i've been working on, whenever. --<font color="blue" style="border:2px solid blue" face="Roman" cellpadding="2">Cond a lence <font color="white" face="webdings" style="background:blue">] 06:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Eric Cartman
I dont have any of the DVDs but you can find plenty of commentary on youtube. I have found at least 50 episodes' commentary on youtube. Unfortunately I dont have any SP DVD for the same reason: online availability. About NPR Interview, I listened to it as soon as it was out. Pretty damn good. Anyways I am really new to Wiki editing and seem like you are a pro. If I find something about Cartman article I can't correct/add I will let you know. If second rate characters like Peter Griffin have been featured it's an insult not to have Cartman article even at GA level. Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk) 13:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Small correction. Peter Griffin was a FA candidate. But still pretty close. I saw that star on talk page and thought it was featured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk • contribs) 16:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)