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Another Sockpuppet Case
Hi, thanks for your assistance at SPI Omnipum. Would you possibly have a moment to look over SPI Theweditor and give a second opinion on it? Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 18:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet investigations/Cassist
Hello, I wanted to let you know that the sock suspect in Sockpuppet investigations/Cassist has confessed to socking. CLCStudent (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, responded there. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 21:04, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hello
Newbie here. I noticed you are one of the clerks for the recent Arbcom case for Wikicology. I saw that Wikicologyhad created a bunch of username subpages (I think thats the name) and was wondering if they should be deleted as well. Etimena (talk) 14:38, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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Merger discussion for Decentralized autonomous organization
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Deonis 2012
the banned and sockpuppet editor is back under an armenian persona Լրագրող i have opened an investigation against him.Alhanuty (talk) 11:18, 23 May 2016 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Deonis_2012

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Please stop stifling my question.
A sentence in WP:CIVIL says, "Editors are expected to be reasonably cooperative, ... to work within the scope of policies, and to be responsive to good-faith questions. You say my request "appeared to be sufficiently actioned," but according to whom?  Do you dispute that it's still unclear whether (admins/arbcom/Doug Weller, Courcelles, or Callanecc think) the prohibition extends to the talk pages?  I made it clear I think it does, but asked for clarification, AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED IT.  Why are you not responsive to good-faith questions, e.g. "Why avoid fulfilling my clarification request?"  Please revert, thereby allowing my question to be answered, rather than stifling it. -- Elvey (t•c) 19:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Good evening, . At the risk of violating WP:A(A)GF (WP:AAAGF?) myself, you should be cognizant of the fact that mentioning a perceived failure to assume good faith does not excuse – and may be itself – a failure to assume good faith. Anyway, I directly answered your questions; the authority and specific arb authorizations. To clarify further, it's standard procedure to archive clarification requests when requested by an arbitrator; your request was left open 24 hours on clerks-l for any arb objections to archiving before being archived. Clarification requests may be archived even when questions remain pending where they have been sufficiently answered by arbs or for other reasons.
 * As a personal interpretation (not for the Committee), the clarification provided by the Committee seems clear: there exists a fairly clear prohibition against anonymous editing within the scope of that remedy, i.e. substantial edits to any Scientology-related articles or discussions on any page. To me, that seems like a pretty clear go-ahead to request any uninvolved admin or RFPP, as an AE action, semi-protect any Scientology talk pages as a page containing solely Scientology-related [...] discussions. Thanks, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 04:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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Any reason my user name is templated and no one elses?
I don't really need a notification on every page you post a decision especially since blue link callout of shame seems unique to me. thanks, --DHeyward (talk) 03:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I copied verbatim from the remedies section of Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others/Proposed decision. I'm happy to revisit our notification procedures; in fact, the entire clerks' procedures probably needs some updating. Shoot me or the clerks an email at l235@l235.net or clerks-l@lists.wikimedia.org (respectively) if you have any suggesitons. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 03:49, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

EOTW Transition
I just spent the last 45 minutes typing up a beautiful entry to begin the process and then lost it before I could "save". I'll try again later. Buster Seven   Talk  12:54, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * My comp seems to have a mind of its own this morning and is behaving like a "bad pet". Will "wacking it with a rolled-up newspaper" work? Slow, stubborn and sadistic. GRRRRRR!!!!!. Buster Seven   Talk  13:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * First, let me personally thank you for accepting the role as facilitator.
 * Second, If you take a look at my contributions of yesterday you will see some of the stuff that gets done in the middle of the week. I think I will still be creating and dispensing the eddyboxes. At User:Buster7 you'll find many of the pages that are used through-out the process. As time goes on maybe we can find other volunteers to take over some of the steps.  and  have been a big help over the years and I would ask that the add any insight into what has been a successful product.
 * Third, Do your own thing . Historically, the Award has been dispensed on Sunday. Feel free to change it if Sunday is not good for you.
 * I usually cut-n-paste that weeks accepted nomination to the "template" at my sandbox in preparation for awarding. There are most likely better simplified ways of doing things. Feel free to upgrade and make it easier to transist into your replacement in September. Buster Seven   Talk  11:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Dear goodness, I almost forgot about this completely. I'll set some sort of an email reminder. I will do this tomorrow. Thanks for handling the transition! Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 03:06, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Missing decision, message left on my talk page, from case
On my talk page, the message titled Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others closed does not include this decision from the case section 4.3.7 Community encouraged (April Fools Day), which passed 10 to 0. Is there a reason? — Neonorange (talk) 04:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Decision missing from message left on my talk page: case "Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others"
On my talk page, the message titled Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others closed does not include this decision from the case section 4.3.7 Community encouraged (April Fools Day), which passed 10 to 0. Is there a reason? — Neonorange (talk) 04:35, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, that was my mistake. See Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 11:51, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And thanks for your work keeping the gears meshing. — Neonorange (talk) 03:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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A question
Hello L235? I was wondering, could you perhaps review this SPI case whenever you have time? I'm asking you this as because otherwise, regarding the "usual pace" of matters regarding SPI cases with some more extensive behavioural evidence, it takes at least a month to be reviewed. This one should be very easy though for you. Bests and thanks - LouisAragon (talk) 02:40, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied there, thanks, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 21:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Colombiabeauty c.s.
I like to sincerely thank you for your efforts in this case. It was rather frustrating to see that the rules protected the bad guys in a number of earlier cases I have filed. With the time you have spend on it, you have unravelled a lot of misery. Thank you, thank you, thank you for that!

My only regret in this case is that I did not add "Dosmil2011" to the case. He is also a long time suspect. For instance, to keep it recent, his activities on Draft:Miss Earth 2016.

But still, you gave me a massive handle to work with with! The Banner talk 09:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 21:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

SPI/Vodkapoise
Yes, I'd appreciate a sleeper check for this prolific and persistent vandal. Thanks. I usually add a comment that CU is requested for sleepers, but depending on the clerk they seem often to ignore the request anyway. I don't minimize the work involved, but I think it's justified here.  General Ization  Talk   02:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Replied there, thanks, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 21:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

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Sockpuppet investigations/Gufelagordge
Kevin, I mean this criticism constructively, but I will be blunt. Your approach to this case was wrong. I'm not talking about the fact that you didn't recognize that the two puppets belonged to another master. That just comes with experience and recognizing masters and their trademarks. Even assuming the master was as identified and the puppets were related, you don't offer a free pass to a master and three puppets if they'll admit to the sock puppetry. The correct approach is to block the socks indefinitely and if you think the master deserves it, impose a lesser sanction, even as low as a warning, on the master. You can't depend on a "promise" not to use the sock accounts. No matter what else you do, you must block the puppets. The only exception I can think of offhand is when what happened doesn't qualify as socking, meaning the other accounts are legitimate, in which case you have a lot more latitude to work out an arrangement. That wasn't true here. Even if I hadn't identified the real master, and many, many more of their puppets, I would have objected to your handling of the case.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Understood, . It felt much less serious based on the filer's statement; it didn't look like evasion of scrutiny on first look. Thanks for your resolution. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 18:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be a pest, Kevin, but it's not clear to me that you do understand. Your inference that these accounts were not editing abusively is fairly cramped in my view, but even assuming you're right, your solution was unreasonable. There's no reason for that many new sock accounts to be created at the same time. So, if you think it was "innocent", then you block the socks and explain to/warn the master about our policy regarding multiple accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I do agree, . My proposed solution was quite unreasonable, and I will do my best not to incorrectly apply WP:SOCK in the future. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 16:27, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Great. As long as you understand the problem and learn from it, I'm happy.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Editor of the Week nomination
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Editor_Retention/Editor_of_the_Week/Nominations&diff=728448002&oldid=727602782 this nomination]: the key issue is that it's a distraction. It gives fuel to critics who think the initiative is unduly singling out specific editors. I think a personal note of appreciation or a suitable barnstar is better for any of those who have been instrumental in the development and administration of the recognition. isaacl (talk) 16:21, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree. While I truly appreciate the thought, I would rather not give WER naysayers any ammo that can be used to attack the project. EotW has kept WER alive and well as it awaits revitalization. And I feel honored just to know that I was an important "player" in that regard. In the paraphrased words of LBJ, "If nominated, I will not run and if elected, I will not serve". But thanks for the kind words.  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  19:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Kevin, there is a reason why I posted my response here and not on the nomination discussion page: there are critics of the Editor of the Week initiative and (without going into detail) your prospective nominee in particular who could easily express their dissent and trigger a noisy discussion that would be counterproductive to your intent of recognizing Buster7. I strongly counsel you to not prolong the discussion on the nomination discussion page. isaacl (talk) 05:08, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

No time
You don't need much time to look at the candidate's contributions in the discussion which many opposes mentioned, - check them for civility, please. If you don't have the time, just read the response to oppose 3 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the note, but this kind of feels like canvassing. (You didn't do anything wrong, I just won't be changing my vote. I hadn't read any of the supports/opposes/nomination statement/anything at all, so I also feel uncomfortable giving any sort of opinion on this RfA.) Regards – Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 22:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I will be more blunt then (sorry, especially as you are away and have no time.) I didn't come to change your section of vote. (I don't go to the neutral section. If I feel like opposing a candidacy, I don't even show up in a RfA, so don't understand the need for any neutral vote.) I would like you to change your vote within the section. After the infobox was already dropped in the RfA, I don't think we also needed the other one, incivility, but if mentioned, please with at least one diff of supporting. I supplied a diff in my support. I may add, the candidate describing the two points of view in a discussion evenly and with civility, not without showing his own leaning. That's what I want in an admin. They can learn other things on the job. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hobit, do you have a diff for any incivility? (I noticed your vote only after I wrote this.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Good question. Civility was not what I should have written and I've updated.  Rather "rubbing people the wrong way when not needed".  The PC issue and the FAC issue were both situations where a bit more care/thought would have been really useful.  There is a reason I'm a weak oppose by the way--I acknowledge that most of my objections are coming from my gut.  Something just feels wrong here.  I feel like this person's temperament just isn't well suited toward being an admin and the sock concerns push it over for me.  No one thing, but just lots of small things, each minor, that add up to me feeling this won't go well. I started out in the neutral column and perhaps should have stayed there.  But I'd be willing to take a small bet that we're going to have a lot of problems with this person as an admin over the next couple of years. And once I realized I really believe that, I felt I needed to be in the oppose column. Hobit (talk) 13:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Nothing wrong with an oppose, - just the word "incivility" - often abused as it is - needed explanation or - as you did - a change, - thank you! - I don't quite know what you mean by "the FAC issue" but never mind. When I commented in Zeta Jones, it was not a FAC yet - or I missed it. I don't know about Rob. The question if editors who improve the quality of an article can also remove the accomplishments of former editors which were intended to serve readers, is open (in case of the actress decided by the community, but there are others), - but has nothing to do with the RfA, or shouldn't ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ps: I checked the dates: the FAC was opened June 3, all May edits (including the one mentioned above) were made before it became a FAC. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 6 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I have stricken parts of that comment. Is that satisfactory? Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 14:32, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I finally got around to replying
Hey, I just saw this, and yes I can get you either. I'm so sorry I hadn't seen it, I hope it's not too late! Kharkiv07 ( T ) 17:58, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * LexisNexis anytime, Westlaw when I'm done with my summer of travels. Kharkiv07  ( T ) 17:59, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That's great, thanks! I've managed to get access to Lexis through my affiliation with Brown University, but that might only last a few months, so I'll email you if I need to. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 18:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Incorrigible Troll


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Could this be associated with SGK? Regardless I think WP:DENY applies

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Sorry
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CheckUser
I have some evidence re the WordSeventeen sock case which I would like to send via email. My email is enabled but yours doesn't seem to be. Oculi (talk) 06:22, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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EotW
My health is not the best and my focus is elsewhere. Thanks for guiding the transition and I hope someone steps out of the crowd that you can hand the keys to. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  14:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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Arbitration statement redacted
Hi Kevin.

I'd like you to understand, please, that as a matter of principle, I conduct my Wikipedia business on-wiki (with the possible exception of the occasional use if a public mailing list). There is no question of me conducting any dialogue with you or the Arbs on a mailing list which is not public, and - as a long-standing editor with a spotless record for transparency - I actually find it offensive that you should suggest I do otherwise.

Appeals that could not possibly contain private information are best dealt with in the first instance by informal dialogue with the other editor taking the action, and failing that, by notice on a public board. I'd be grateful therefore if you would refrain in future from posting suggestions to use a back-channel private mailing list on my talk page. Thanks in advance. --RexxS (talk) 13:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies, in the future, when privacy is not an issue, I will not ask for emails to clerks-l on your talk page. Feel free to trout me if I do. WT:AC/C is the on-wiki place to get clerk attention and appeal a clerk-issued sanction, although it's not very high-traffic. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 19:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration statement redacted
Hi Kevin.

I'd like you to understand, please, that as a matter of principle, I conduct my Wikipedia business on-wiki (with the possible exception of the occasional use if a public mailing list). There is no question of me conducting any dialogue with you or the Arbs on a mailing list which is not public, and - as a long-standing editor with a spotless record for transparency - I actually find it offensive that you should suggest I do otherwise.

Appeals that could not possibly contain private information are best dealt with in the first instance by informal dialogue with the other editor taking the action, and failing that, by notice on a public board. I'd be grateful therefore if you would refrain in future from posting suggestions to use a back-channel private mailing list on my talk page. Thanks in advance. --RexxS (talk) 13:02, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies, in the future, when privacy is not an issue, I will not ask for emails to clerks-l on your talk page. Feel free to trout me if I do. WT:AC/C is the on-wiki place to get clerk attention and appeal a clerk-issued sanction, although it's not very high-traffic. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 19:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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Heyo
How are you, L235? It has been a long time since I was active on this site and I hate the fact that I am unable to continue giving the amount of time that I previously did. Anyway, I see that you have taken up the work Buster7 used to do in delivering the EoTW message to the recipients. I just noticed that the bot archived the content from the talk page but I have restored the changes for now. Perhaps the nominations on the talk page should be moved to the accepted nominations' page? I am not sure as to how involved you are, or plan to be with the project. Since you were delivering the EoTW messages, I thought that it was best to talk to you about this. I could be an aid to you in the process if you feel that you have too much at your hand. Let me know what you think. Regards,  Ya  sh  !   20:18, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, nice to see you! Yes, please help with EotW. Please. Please! PLEASE!! I need help!et
 * I would like to transition the whole awarding process to someone else, but I get that you probably don't have time for that. So how's this: Can you help with the "eddybox"es? The ones at Template:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Project main page/sandbox. I'm really behind with them. Would making them be something you'd be interested in helping with? Thanks, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 01:36, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would love to make them! And I will get around it very soon. I spend a lot of time going through discussions and GA reviews because I am not motivated enough to indulge in the activities I used to (maybe because it requires a lot of efforts and life has become pretty stressful in itself). However, when it comes to EoTW, I believe I have enough spirit left in me to work for months, if not years (since I understand the importance of the project and I would much rather work at EoTW than go through dramatic discussions). I am in the clinics right now and I will get started with the templates when my shift ends. If you want to transition the awarding process to someone else, I would be more than happy to take over! Regards,  Ya  sh  !   04:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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Cut and paste merge
Hi! I noticed that you cut the content from WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Toyota97 (diif) and then pasted it into WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Skyline201 (diff). That is the wrong way to do it because the edit history remains split between two pages. What should be done in such cases is the WP:history merge that can only be done by administrators. In sich cases, you should request administrator's assistance. We only allow cut and paste merges in cases when a part of the page needs to be cut and merged into another page (history merge is possible in such cases too, but is very complicated as only the part of the edit history needs to be merged). But, when the whole page needs to be merged into another page, then history merge is always preferred. I am going to perform it soon, I just wanted to let you know.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  18:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you're right, sorry. I used to request proper merges, but I was away for a bit and am kind of rusty. Thanks for your work. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 18:14, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem! By the way, you also forgot to merge the archive page, leaving the archive at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Toyota97/Archive.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  18:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. Can you please let me know why you reverted your close of this RfC. I found your closure to be a very accurate reading of the consensus. The RfC is now well over a moth without closure and is holding up the next step (fixing the criteria), and the NPP software development with the WMF at WP:NPPAFC (where you are also more than welcome to help out). Cheers, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:35, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reaching out. I reverted my closure because I hadn't noticed the AN thread until after the close, but didn't have much time to really read the AN discussion (I did, though, notice calls for a panel of admins to close the RfC) so I played it safe rather than sorry. I did plan on reinstating my close if no editor objected; we will see if (who would like to co-close) agrees with my reading of consensus or would like to change it. Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 00:11, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely no need for a panel to close such an RfC and it's not even commonplace for far more complex debates. As far as I'm concerned, closed is closed and is just one of several who said they might want to close it (he's used to the extremely long and complex process of  Arbcom). At the end of the day, the first one there gets first bite of the apple and we don't need a further debate on the closure which IMO nobody could improve on. We do have a sense of urgency here as it's holding some other stuff up and while we have the Foundation's attention we don't want to lose it.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:33, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, even you said the closer must be really competent, neutral, and who knows how to read a split-objective debate – a standard I'm not sure I meet. I do understand your urgency, however. If Callanecc doesn't get back within a day or so, I'll be glad to reinstate my close. (And, for what it's worth, I'm also used to the long and complex process of ArbCom – I've clerked there since Feb 2015.) Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 02:41, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've restored your close and added my sig, hope you don't mind. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Kevin, I'm quite sure you are really competent, neutral, and who knows how to read a split-objective debate. Thank you too, for lending your endorsement to the close. Now we can move on and get the rest of this sad NPP business advanced. You guys seen the backlog? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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Hi. Can you please let me know why you reverted your close of this RfC. I found your closure to be a very accurate reading of the consensus. The RfC is now well over a moth without closure and is holding up the next step (fixing the criteria), and the NPP software development with the WMF at WP:NPPAFC (where you are also more than welcome to help out). Cheers, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:35, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reaching out. I reverted my closure because I hadn't noticed the AN thread until after the close, but didn't have much time to really read the AN discussion (I did, though, notice calls for a panel of admins to close the RfC) so I played it safe rather than sorry. I did plan on reinstating my close if no editor objected; we will see if (who would like to co-close) agrees with my reading of consensus or would like to change it. Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 00:11, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely no need for a panel to close such an RfC and it's not even commonplace for far more complex debates. As far as I'm concerned, closed is closed and is just one of several who said they might want to close it (he's used to the extremely long and complex process of  Arbcom). At the end of the day, the first one there gets first bite of the apple and we don't need a further debate on the closure which IMO nobody could improve on. We do have a sense of urgency here as it's holding some other stuff up and while we have the Foundation's attention we don't want to lose it.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:33, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, even you said the closer must be really competent, neutral, and who knows how to read a split-objective debate – a standard I'm not sure I meet. I do understand your urgency, however. If Callanecc doesn't get back within a day or so, I'll be glad to reinstate my close. (And, for what it's worth, I'm also used to the long and complex process of ArbCom – I've clerked there since Feb 2015.) Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 02:41, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've restored your close and added my sig, hope you don't mind. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Kevin, I'm quite sure you are really competent, neutral, and who knows how to read a split-objective debate. Thank you too, for lending your endorsement to the close. Now we can move on and get the rest of this sad NPP business advanced. You guys seen the backlog? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:53, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

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I created T149019. When I added it to the RfC, I reread the end of your close where you said that you would do it. Sorry for stepping on your toes. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 21:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Editor of the Week
It appears that there are currently no accepted nominations waiting to be awarded. Is that correct? Also, I hope I haven't been overly bold in the edits I made on the project pages. I'd very much like to help out at such a worthy project. Lepricavark (talk) 04:37, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help! Yes, there are currently no accepted nominations, a problem that needs to be remedied. I haven't seen the edits, but the project has been in a state of disrepair, so you're probably fine. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 15:30, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

End of term
Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&curid=23968567&diff=757665070&oldid=755671787 this edit]: for cases, as I recall, arbitrators will finish up any that they started before the end of their term, and new arbitrators are free to join any cases in progress. Would the same not apply to other pending business such as motions? isaacl (talk) 06:05, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
 * That's correct – arbitrators may choose to stay active on cases that were open before they finished their term, but are not allowed to vote on any non-case business. (See the 2015 transition at ARCA.) Thanks, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 15:30, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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