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I was wondering if you could give me more feedback on the draft that failed review today: Draft:History of Hartlepool United F.C.. Your reason was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Would you please give me some additional feedback on the page? Michaeldble (talk) 13:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Michael, I wrote on the article that you should consider merging the content you created into the existing article at Hartlepool United F.C..  LJF2019    talk   22:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association
Thank you for acting so quickly on approving this article. As I mentioned to QuantumRealm, if something is notable, it's notable. How can I (or other editors) go about doing a better job on this? I have added 28 citations, all (I think) secondary and not connected with the subject. Should I search for more? If one citation is good, are two better? Any help you can give me would be most appreciated.

Thanks. Hamish barebones (talk) 18:59, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I had previously updated the Imprisonment section of Jerry Sandusky, the prev version said he's attempting to obtain a new trial, I updated this w/o references & you deleted it as unsourced. I attempted to put in the ref's, one is a copy of the motion for new trial which I uploaded to web archive. I know it is the real motion as I've discussed it by email with the principals, but I'd rather have a link to it on court pages. The second ref is now to one of the articles describing the hearing where the motion was denied.

I do know the ref to the actual file is not great as one has no way to verify that the document is a legitimate copy of the motion entered into trial. Please consider working with me or other editors on this rather than a simple delete. Createangelos (talk) 00:16, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

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Need help, please: Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association
Hello, LJF2019

I wrote this article in 2022 and submitted it for review, which took about four months. Editor QuantumRealm reviewed and approved the article saying, "Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions. The article has been assessed as C-Class…. This is a great rating for a new article, and places it among the top 19% of accepted submissions — kudos to you!" Then 45 minutes later, he “disapproved” the article and moved it back to “Draft” status, saying. “I apologize for any misunderstanding that may have occurred. After further consideration, I decided to draftify the article because it requires some additional improvements and sources to meet Wikipedia's content guidelines and notability criteria.”

I asked QuantumRealm for specifics; he responded by telling me to check “…notability guidelines…reliable sources and …verifiability." I then asked him four specific questions relative to the broad guidelines; he never responded.

Returning to work on the article, I added more content and more citations, then resubmitted the article for approval which you, LJF2019, provided on 20 May, leaving the “notability” tag in place. Working more on the article, I posted it to the TeaHouse in July, asking for help in improving the piece. One editor responded, posting broad guidelines – “Article topics must receive significant coverage that is independent of the subject and comes from reliable, secondary sources.” Shortly thereafter, the request was archived. I continued to add content and citations which came from independent, reliable, secondary sources.

I would like to move on to improving other articles and, perhaps, creating more on my own. But, before I do that, I would like to get the “notability” template removed. PMA, the organization charged with overseeing and promoting manufacturing in the country’s fifth-largest manufacturing state for 114 years is notable. I don't want revert anything by myself, (I firmly believe in Wikipedia consensus) so I’m reaching out to you for guidance. How should I proceed? Thanks for your help. Hamish barebones (talk) 18:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Hamish barebones,
 * Thank you for reaching out and for your diligence in creating and improving the article on the Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association. Your commitment to the Wikipedia community is evident and deeply appreciated.
 * I understand your frustration regarding the notability concerns. Wikipedia's notability guidelines, especially for organizations and companies, can be challenging to navigate, but they are essential to ensure the quality and reliability of the content on the platform.
 * Given the detailed context you've provided:
 * I recommend gathering a comprehensive list of the independent, reliable, secondary sources you've added to the article since it was last reviewed. This list can be used to make a clear case for the article's notability, ensuring it stands on solid ground against Wikipedia's guidelines.
 * Engage with other experienced Wikipedia editors, preferably those with expertise in assessing notability for organizations. You can reach out in relevant WikiProjects, or on the Talk page of the article, presenting your case and the list of sources.
 * If, after a discussion, there is consensus among editors that the notability criteria are met, then the notability template can be safely removed. It's always a good practice to ensure multiple eyes review the changes for consensus, as you rightly pointed out.
 * If the notability concerns persist, consider starting an "Articles for Deletion" (AfD) discussion. This process will allow a wider community of editors to weigh in on the article's notability, and potentially reach a clear consensus on its inclusion.
 * I appreciate your dedication to improving Wikipedia, and I'm here to support you every step of the way. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have further questions or need additional guidance.
 * Warm regards,
 *  LJF2019    talk   18:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)


 * User:LJF2019 Began implementing the suggestions you made. Thanks! Hamish barebones (talk) 19:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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More help - Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association
Thanks for your help in my attempts to demonstrate the notability of the Pennsylvania Manufacturers’ Association. On your recommendations, I completed the following:

A.	I gathered and posted on PMA’s talk page a comprehensive list of the independent, reliable, secondary sources (32 of them) and asked other editors if they could help by adding more or objecting to those listed. No one responded. This list does make a clear case for the organization’s notability, as all citations are verifiable, independent and reliable.

B.	I posted a request for help on the Teahouse. One editor responded with broad guidelines – “Article topics must receive significant coverage that is independent of the subject and comes from reliable, secondary sources.” Then the request was archived.

C.	I posted a “Help me” template on my talk page, requesting help from other editors in demonstrating or improving the notability requirements request. I received a response from one editor who told me my use of the “Help me” template was incorrect, and that the “Notability” tag itself was a request for help, not a “black mark.” No other editors responded.

D.	It appears, from the responses I’ve received, that PMA may be notable, but it is not a high interest topic to other editors. Not one editor has offered any specific reasons why PMA should be considered either notable or, in this case, not notable.

At this point I would like to suggest that I have done about as much as an editor can do to demonstrate notability. I further suggest that either you or I post a paragraph on the PMA talk page that provides a summary of points A-D above and recommend building consensus for removing the tag. We could set a deadline of several weeks or so to see whether any editors had any particular hypotheses one way or another. Then, unless there were specific objections, remove the tag. Your thoughts? Hamish barebones (talk) 17:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello Hamish barebones,
 * Thank you for your diligent follow-up and the considerable efforts you've made in addressing the notability concerns for the Pennsylvania Manufacturers' Association (PMA) article. Your approach and the steps you've taken clearly demonstrate a commitment to improving Wikipedia and adhering to its content guidelines.
 * Given the actions you've detailed:
 * A. The compilation and posting of a comprehensive list of 32 independent, reliable, secondary sources is commendable. It's unfortunate that there hasn't been more engagement from other editors, but the lack of response does not diminish the significance of your efforts or the potential notability of PMA.
 * B. Your initiative to seek assistance through the Teahouse and the use of the "Help me" template, even if it did not yield the desired feedback, shows a proactive approach to seeking community input and improvement for the article.
 * C. It's insightful to understand that the "Notability" tag is not a detriment but rather a call to action for further improvement and verification of notability, as pointed out by the editor who responded to your "Help me" request.
 * D. The perception that PMA may not be a high-interest topic to other editors, while challenging, does not inherently affect the notability of the subject as per Wikipedia's guidelines.
 * Your suggestion to post a summary of points A-D on the PMA talk page and to build a consensus for removing the notability tag is a sound strategy. It aligns with Wikipedia's collaborative and consensus-driven nature. Setting a deadline for feedback allows for a reasonable time frame for editors to present any objections or additional insights.
 * Here's my view:
 * Posting on the PMA Talk Page: I agree with your plan to summarize the efforts and sources that substantiate the PMA's notability on its talk page. This summary will serve as a clear, transparent record of the attempts made to address notability concerns.
 * Building Consensus: Proposing a deadline for feedback is a pragmatic approach to moving forward. I would recommend allowing a period of 3 to 4 weeks, which gives ample time for any interested editors to contribute their views or additional sources.
 * Next Steps Post-Deadline: If there are no substantial objections or additional concerns raised by the deadline, we can proceed with a consensus to remove the notability tag. It's essential, however, to document this process on the talk page clearly, indicating that an open invitation for discussion was provided and that the consensus was reached based on the lack of opposing views.
 * Article for Deletion (AfD) as a Last Resort: If there's still uncertainty about the notability or if there are unforeseen objections, an AfD discussion might be necessary. This step would further solidify the community's stance on the article's notability.
 * I appreciate your dedication to Wikipedia and your willingness to engage with the community's processes to ensure the quality and reliability of its content. I'm here to support your efforts and to assist in facilitating this next step. Please let me know how you wish to proceed, and if you'd like me to initiate the post on the talk page or if you prefer to do so.  LJF2019    talk   07:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your help. I thought it might be better if you were to initiate a post on the talk page; you certainly know your way around Wikipedia better than I do.
 * I did take a shot at content for the post. Here it is. Please revise it to your heart's content; my prose is far from deathless. I thought it might be easier for you to have something to start with.
 * For PMA Talk page:
 * I have been working with User:Hamish barebones to improve the article Pennsylvania Manufacturers’ Association. He had requested my help in removing the “Notability” template from the article.
 * To date, here's what’s been done:
 * 1.   Citations - Total number of Citations – 32, each an independent, recognized media or publishing source.
 * Sources –
 * Sources from the subject of the article – None
 * University/higher education publishing
 * University of Pennsylvania Press – 5 citations
 * Pennsylvania State University Press – 1 citation
 * Commercial Book Publishers
 * Dorrance Publishing, Pittsburgh – 2 citations
 * Vanguard Press, New York City – 1 citation
 * MacMillan and Co., New York City – 1 citation
 * Newspaper, Magazine Publishers
 * New York Times, New York City – 6 citations
 * Bloomberg, New York City 1 citation
 * PennLive, Mechanicsburg, PA – 3 citations
 * Insurance Pennsylvania, Harrisburg, - 2 citations
 * Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Pittsburgh – 1 citation
 * City & State PA, Philadelphia – 1 citation
 * Inside Sources DV Journal, Washington DC – 1 citation
 * Pennsylvania Business Report, Washington DC – 1 citation
 * Pittsburgh Business Times, Pittsburgh, 1 citation
 * TribLive, Taretum, PA 1 citation
 * NorthcentralPA.com. Williamsport, PA – 1 citation
 * Philadelphia Magazine, Philadelphia – 1 citation
 * Trade Journals
 * Reliable Plant, Tulsa, OK 1 citation
 * Energy News Network, St. Paul, MN 1 citation
 * This list was posted on the talk page of the article; no editors commented or objected to any of them.
 * 2.   Teahouse
 * An explanation of the issue and request for help was posted on the Teahouse. One editor responded with broad guidelines on notability. The request was then archived.
 * 3.   User:Hamish barebones posted a “Help me” request on his talk page. One editor responded with information that the “Help me” request was used incorrectly. This editor also noted that the “notability” template was also a request for help, not a negative.
 * 4.   User:Hamish barebones continued to update with article and add new citations on his updates.
 * A conclusion from responses to this activity is that, although the PMA may not be of high interest to other editors, this does not affect the notability.
 * Quite a bit has been accomplished on this article, so I would like to propose that the “notability” template be removed. In the Wikipedia spirit of cooperation and consensus, could editors read the article, check the citations, and let us know whether they concur with this conclusion?
 * I suggest that we set a deadline of 15 March 2024 and make our decision then. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
 * Hope this helps. Hamish barebones (talk) 19:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I suggest that we set a deadline of 15 March 2024 and make our decision then. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
 * Hope this helps. Hamish barebones (talk) 19:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


 * User:LJF2019 I posted a request to you (above) about ten days ago and you did not respond. I hope I made some mistake in the post or that you're relaxing on a warm beach someplace. But I'm trying again and hope I'm not a pest. We'll have to push the suggested deadline for response back a bit, but that's easy. Thanking you in advance.Hamish barebones (talk) 17:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * User:LJF2019 I hope all is well with you. Since I have not received a response to my request above, I will post it on the PMA talk page. And again, hope you are on a warm beach or in an interesting city. Thanks for all your help in this; I'll keep you up to date on how things go. Hamish barebones (talk) 19:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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