User talk:LJ Holden/November 2006 - August 2007

Thanks re. Mike Moore
Cheers Lewis for bringing your Wikipedia skills to the recent edits of the Mike Moore page, fyi I have now added info to my user page Southerncrossnz

Thanks
For the nice job on the CYFS entry page. It needed a good clean up since it was being used as a recepticle for National Party press releases instead of a semi-informative entry.

Hello
Hey mate! I love your new tables I'm seeing round the Locomotives of New Zealand articles. They are a real nice contribution, and helps keep up on the current status on the stock.--GCFreak2 05:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Your guides
I was just looking at some Year Tens Politics Social Studies work, and to be dismay, your site has been cited as a source! (Mainly your guides, but on kid had a bit about Republicanism) Brian | (Talk) 23:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Colin James article
Hi there. I just noticed that the article you started on Colin James (journalist) with this edit appears to be copied verbatim from the bottom of his official website. Unless you had permission for copying the text, this was a violation of copyright. You may use web pages as sources, but the text may not be copied exactly&mdash;in the future, can you please write articles in your own words?

I've removed the text, and unfortunately the article is now quite empty. If you have time to re-add important facts using your own words, that would be great. :) -- SCZenz 09:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Key
I was looking for one as well :). I would suggest that be used, as its a 'offical' photo that appears to be for release, until a free one can be found Brian | (Talk) 03:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Asset
Interesting line in the Cabinet Manual "the Queen and Governor-General...may assent - or not - to Bills passed through the House" Brian | (Talk) 03:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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RCES
Thought you might be interested to know that the Royal Commission on the Electoral System's report is now available online at http://www.elections.org.nz/royal-commission-report-1986.html --Midnighttonight (rendezvous) 21:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well!
Congratulations and good luck. Hope to see a republic down there in the south in the next decade, personally. ;) &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 15:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, he will have a lot of competition :) Brian | (Talk) 22:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We'll see, we'll see. :) &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 23:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Nightstallion. It'll probably reduce my Wiki-editing time though. --Lholden 22:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, there can't only be good sides. Good luck, once more! &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 17:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good luck and well done. Any idea as to when you'll achieve your aim? --Midnighttonight (rendezvous) 01:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Midnight: in about 2 or 3 century's :) Brian | (Talk) 02:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that depends on a number of factors... one of them being whether or not the ALP wins the next election in Aussie, and their leader commits to a new republic process (which I think is likely if a Rudd-led Labor govt lasts more than one term). More than likely the Aussie republicans would suceed second time around if the multiple plebicites model is used (as proposed by Howard in 1998, ironically), as they won't be as divided as they were back in '99. If Locke's Bill is drawn here we may see it go to a referendum, but I don't expect NZ Labour to push the issue so long as they're still a minority govt. The Nats won't as most of their liberal conservative (and republican leaning) MPs are silent on the issue, whereas reactionary conservatives like to make lots of noise about it. Beyond that... who knows. Bolger said in 94 he thought NZ would become a republic by 2000, and he was very wrong about that (sadly). --Lholden 02:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject New Zealand/governments
Hey Lewis, given that WikiProject New Zealand/governments has been set up (well, kinda), would you still have copies of your guide to Prime Ministers that was on your website? I can't seem to find them at the moment. Cheers, --Midnighttonight (rendezvous) 02:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, cool. Well, hope you can help on working on the governments. --Midnighttonight (rendezvous) 02:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That looks like what is being aimed at. I am about to have a scavenge around to see what is being included in other country's articles. --Midnighttonight (rendezvous) 02:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

New Zealand constitutional crisis, 1984
I've put a snippet about this article up for DYK at Template_talk:Did_you_know. My wording is a bit clumsy; feel free to improve it.- gadfium 02:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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Party colors
Hello, I noticed that you reverted my color changes to New Zealand general election, 2008. However, the colors are visually distracting and ugly (to be frank). Certainly you have been putting much more work into the article than I have, but I would appreciate if you consider other options... Perhaps color the party names their accurate colors, but soften up the rest of the table? Any other suggestions would be appreciated... sorry for any inconvenience, and thanks. Grace notes T &#167; 03:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

New Zealand Bill of Rights Act
An anon has suggested that section 4 of the Act has a meaning exactly opposite to that given in the Wikipedia article. My lay reading of the Act suggests that they're right. Could you please respond to the issue at Talk:New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, and tidy the article as necessary.- gadfium 20:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The undo button
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Flags
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Passenger train edits and so forth
It seems that anonymous user has taken a hint on the matter of whether or not the train names should be italicised. I agree, though - if they return to make the changes again, some sort of rule really should be invoked because this borders on thorough silliness. It adds nothing to the article, and in some cases was completely illogical.

For a little while, I've thought of more firmly establishing some style guidelines for NZR articles, and this incident has prompted to me to start a very rough draft for an NZR Manual of Style. I initially didn't think it was required by any means, especially as the only really contestable issue, that of how to properly write class names like DA and AB, was essentially defined in the main Locomotives of NZ article. However, I'm now thinking some more broad guidelines would be helpful, especially as the group of NZR editors is expanding. As one of the well-established members of the group, what do you think? - Axver 08:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Righto. I'll aim to post a draft of the style guide later today for consideration and comments, or perhaps tomorrow if I get busy.  I'll let you know when it's up. - Axver 00:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, here's my rough draft: User:Axver/NZRMoS. It's not really complete, but it's late and I'm tired.  Plus, it's pretty comprehensive as it is and addresses some current issues.  I'd like to hear your thoughts.  One part that could cause trouble is my stipulation that New Zealand has railway stations, not train stations (I certainly find the former to be far more natural terminology and it shows up with much greater regularity in text sources), as the vast majority of Auckland and Wellington station articles are currently named "Wherever Train Station".  If we do adopt a policy of favouring "railway station", I feel sorry for whoever gets stuck with the task of fixing all the redirects. - Axver 15:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

DM, EM, ADK, and ADL class page titles
Hey there,

You'd think that I would've noticed beforehand, but I just realised that these four classes are at "NZR xx class (Diesel/Electric Multiple Unit)" rather than simply "NZR xx class". I checked the history and saw that you created three of these pages and moved the fourth to its current name. I was going to move these four pages to "NZR xx class" to conform with standard practice, but as you're someone familiar with the standard practice, I thought I would ask first to see if there is actually a reason why these four classes have Diesel or Electric Multiple Unit in brackets in the title. I'll leave the pages alone if there's a good reason.

By the way, any thoughts on the proposed Manual of Style linked from my last comment? - Axver 10:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see why ADK and ADL should have (Diesel Multiple Unit) in them as they are non standard NZR classifications and not likely to be used again. I can see why DM and EM though.--GCFreak2 05:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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American River Touring Association
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Don Brash Anglican
Just touching up Don Brash article, noticed the info-box says he is Anglican, and you put the info box in there. Just wondering how you know he's Anglican, if you have a source for it. I know his father was a notable Presbyterian leader - just wrote an article on him. Just want to make sure you know for a fact Don is Anglican, and can reference it. Cheers.A.J.Chesswas 12:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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Transport in Auckland
Hello Lholden. When you move text into a new article from an old one, please make sure that you do not remove the 'base' reference for other, left-behind sub-references, as happened during the creation of Public transport in Auckland. Cheers, MadMaxDog 10:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

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 * We might have to get that back, since it appears that the so called ‘free image” was not free. Do you still have a copy of the photo that was released? Brian | (Talk) 04:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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Route maps
Hey, thanks for letting me know about the route maps. Those look like a really good idea, so I'll have to learn how to do them too. I'd like to see them appear on the branch line articles to flesh them out a bit more (not that anyone else probably reads those pages, but it's my area of fascination!).

I've also thought it would be a good idea, at least for major routes, to have maps of New Zealand with the route's path displayed, much like how some articles on New Zealand rivers show its course from headwaters to mouth. I can imagine this would be an especially useful illustration for the ECMT to display the differences between the pre-Kaimai Tunnel and current routes. I just haven't the foggiest clue how to go about making such images. - Axver 13:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Rail transport (Auckland)
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Any comments?
I see you have made several changes to Military history of New Zealand, I take this to mean you are interested in this subject and I was wondering what your views were on my suggestion on its talk page.Blacksmith2talk 05:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Wellington and Wellington Region merger
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Republican Referendum 1999 in Australian external territories and self-determination referendum 1984 on Cocos (Keeling) Islands
Dear Mr. Holden! I sent these questions to User:Nightstallion just few minutes ago. He couldn’t answer my questions and he proposed me to request to you. What I do now. I’m a novice in Wikipedia, but I noticed that you are a strong republican as well as me. I see that you know too much information, that you can help to answer to my questions. I have many questions to you on this issue, and I think that if you don’t know answers now, it will be interest to find them and for yourself too. Now I ask you two questions. 1. How voted inhabitants of external Australian territories: islanders of Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Christmas Island and Norfolk Island on Republican referenda in Australia on November 6th, 1999? How many people voted for Republic (and in per cents too), and how many - against? 2. What options was included in the questions of referenda on Cocos (Keeling) Islands on self-determination on April 6th, 1984 (Independence, part of Australia, dependent territory of Australia, anybody else)? How islanders voted? How many people voted for any option (and in per cents too)? If you can’t answer to me right now, please give me references if you know. --User:212.98.173.13322:10 30.07.2007 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I don't have these results, but AEC has the most comprehensive results. --Lholden 22:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Ways of current dominions (Commonwealth realms) to Republic
Do you can to say me, the range of inevitable difficulties, what must to overcome for became a dominion (Commonwealth realm) a Republic. It is possible to allocate all of 15 countries on following range (as I know) according to complexity:

1.	Light level: Belize, Antigua, Saint Vincent, Saint Lucia and Saint Kitts and Nevis. There enough a decision of Parliament by easy majority (even non constitutional majority) for each of these countries to became a Republic.

2.	Medium level: Tuvalu, Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, Grenada, Bahamas, Barbados, Jamaica and New Zealand. Each country must hold a referendum and then by majority of votes it can become a Republic.

3.	High level: Australian Union. Majority of voters must to vote for Republic on all-country level and Republicans must to win in majority of states for Australia to become a Republic.

4.	Extra high level: Canada. Need referendum. Each province must to approve the results of referendum if republicans win.

Please, correct me, if I wrong.

--User:212.98.173.133 21:40 04.08.2007 (UTC)
 * Lewis, I'll just cut in here. New Zealand does not need a referendum, a simple Parliamentary majority will do Brian | (Talk) 22:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. Thanks! --User:212.98.173.133 21:55 03.08.2007 (UTC)
 * Arguably yes, because of our unwritten constitution (cf New Zealand Constitution Act 1986). However, in the opinion of Lord Cooke of Thorndon, a referendum would be required. --Lholden 00:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Today I sent on your e-mail Road Map --User:212.98.173.133 00:15 10.08.2007 (UTC)
 * To my email>?--Lholden 00:28, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

To holdenrepublic@REM-VEgmail.com --User:212.98.173.133  9:55 10.08.2007 (UTC)


 * Oh good. Just take out the "REM-VE" bit. --Lholden 10:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Not Again
Hey Lewis! ArmchairVexillologistDon has started the whole Dominion of NZ debate again. Sigh, in case your interested Talk:Commonwealth_Realm Brian | (Talk) 10:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)