User talk:LLCMistatim

—== March 2024 ==

 Your account has been indefinitely blocked from editing because your account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Also, your username gives the impression that the account represents a business, organisation, group, or web site, which is against the username policy.

If you intend to make useful contributions instead of promoting your business or organization, you may request unblock and a username change. In your reasons, you must: To do this, post the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your proposed new username" with your new username and replace the text "Your reason here" with your reasons to be unblocked.
 * Disclose any compensation you may receive for your contributions in accordance with the paid-contribution disclosure requirement; and
 * Convince us that you understand the reason for your block and that you will not repeat the kind of edits for which you were blocked; and
 * Describe in general terms the contributions that you intend to make if you are unblocked; and
 * Provide a new username.

Please note that the new username you choose cannot already be taken and in use by another account. You can go here to search and see if the username you'd like to choose is available. If the search returns that no global account with that username exists, that means it is available to be taken.

Appeals: If, after reviewing the guide to appealing blocks, you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal it by adding the text  at the bottom of your talk page. Replace the text "Your reason here" with the reasons you believe the block was an error, and publish the page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Justlettersandnumbers, I'm an unpaid, volunteer, elected director of a not-for-profit that maintains horse breed records, and would like to improve the pages relevant to the breed. I acknowledge I should have a different username to accord with Wikipedia policies. However, as neither I nor the society are promoting any sort of sales or products, I really don't see that I have a COI to disclose. I am open to understanding your view and amending my use of the account going forward. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi! Your ping failed, but I have this page watchlisted. It's been clearly explained to you below that you have – by our definition – a conflict of interest in relation to the Lac La Croix Pony and of course the Ojibwe Horse Society. You appear to understand this – you wrote "my edits are part of my advocacy for the breed", which is a more or less perfect description of a conflict of interest – but not to accept that it applies to you; make no mistake, it does.
 * We have clear guidance for editors in your situation here. If you care to demonstrate that you understand and intend to conform to that guidance, giving a couple of examples of edits that you might wish to make, then I will rename your account and unblock it – the username you've chosen appears to be acceptable. If your only interest is in disputing the policies and practices of this project, then I fear that you may soon find yourself unable to edit this page. It's your choice, of course. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand from your explanation and link that conflict of interest at Wikipedia pertains not just to financial interest and so it was inappropriate for me to choose a username that closely associated with an organization and to edit a page in which that organization is associated. In my defence I was doing so to make the relationship clear, not to obscure it. Being new I just didn't understand how to do that. Thank you for the link and guidance on how to do so appropriately going forward.
 * Comparing the Lac La Croix Pony page to other horse breed pages, there is a lot of improvement possible, including additional information and improved references that could be provided. I'd be happy to continue that discussion on that talk page and make my COI clear, for as long as there still is one. Thank you for offering to unblock and rename my account. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 13:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Justlettersandnumbers, per your request, here is an example of an edit that could be discussed on the Lac La Croix Pony talk page. The statement these horses have "nostril flaps able to tighten in bad weather" was made in one source, then has been passed on in several sources including this article. However, in fact, no horse has been shown to have such flaps (we've asked all owners to check and report back, and so far none have found this). The current breed standard doesn't include unique nostril flaps, and if were a required test, it seems all horses would fail. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 14:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, LLCMistatim, that's acceptable. I've renamed and unblocked your account, welcome back! I've left you an invitation below in case you have questions about editing here. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I volunteered to edit this page for the Ojibwe Horse Society which is a not-for-profit breed registry - nobody is getting paid. So after reviewing the paid contribution disclosure, it didn't seem to apply to me. I understand and acknowledge I made an error in naming my account anything resembling the name of the society, so that's why I'd like to change my username and continue to edit some of the inaccuracies about the breed out of this article. If you think there's some disclosure I need to make, I'd be happy to do so, but I'd like admins to know my intention is to improve Wikipedia and not promote a product. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 23:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Yamla, I didn't claim not to be directly related to the Ojibwe Horse Society - I said that after reviewing the paid contribution disclosure, I didn't have a conflict of interest to disclose as I'm not getting paid and I'm not acting in any official capacity. As far as I can tell, the only error is in the username I chose. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 00:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You need to tell us the exact nature of your involvement with the Ojibwe Horse Society. --Yamla (talk) 10:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm currently an unpaid elected volunteer director of the nonprofit that maintains the breed records. I'm not engaging in paid promotion as asserted in the block.
 * As a subject expert and volunteer, other folks in our community started complaining to me about inaccurate and misleading information in Wikipedia about the breed. I reviewed the article and noted some of that info was provided by anonymous contributors so it wasn't possible to discuss it with them directly. So I decided to start editing it. I acknowledge and understand I should have chosen a different username that clearly indicates I'm an individual. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 12:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That means you do have a conflict of interest and must disclose this. You are strongly discouraged from directly editing articles such as Lac La Croix Pony, though you are free to suggest edits on the article talk page. Once you clearly understand this, feel free to make a new unblock request. You'll need to explain how specifically you plan to disclose your conflict and demonstrate you understand how you'll suggest edits in the future. --Yamla (talk) 12:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see any conflict of interest - nobody's paying anyone. My edits are part of my advocacy for the breed.
 * "If a user's edits lead you to believe that they might have a COI (that is, if they have an "apparent COI"), and there has been no COI disclosure, consider first whether the issue may be simple advocacy. Most advocacy does not involve COI. Whether an editor is engaged in advocacy should first be addressed at the user's talk page, then at WP:NPOVN, the neutral-point-of-view noticeboard. The appropriate forum for concerns about sources is WP:RSN, the reliable-sources noticeboard." OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 12:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I strongly disagree. You are free to make your case in a new unblock request and a different admin will review it. --Yamla (talk) 12:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * How is this COI specifically then? OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 12:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * We are going around in circles. I won't respond further, but as I already mentioned, you are free to make a new unblock request. --Yamla (talk) 13:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You've not cited any pertinent COI policy.
 * . OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 13:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Honestly I'm not trying to dig in my heels here, I really just don't understand how I've violated COI after having read it thoroughly. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 13:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Per your talk page, "If you feel I am biting the newbies (or I am coming down too hard on you), please just mention it." Yes I think you are. OjibweHorseSociety (talk) 13:23, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Not an admin but I will attempt to answer and clarify for you. You keep trying to dodge by claiming you aren't being paid but the guidelines at WP:COI don't require payment. The very first sentence says "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships." The "or" in that sentence shows that financial relationships are not the only form of COI. You are editing about an organization you are a part of. That is the very definition of a conflict of interest. ThaddeusSholto (talk) 14:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)