User talk:LM2000/Archive 10

Happy New Year
This one, in English. Happy New Year. I hope you have a very good 2022. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:29, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Feliz año nuevo ;) LM2000 (talk) 12:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Trolling talkpage remarks deleted
If you have a problem with someone else's edit, the appropriate communication is to civilly say what that is and then I will be done with it. To come on my page trolling with remarks that someone else has had to tell me the same thing, when that was an entirely different issue, get deleted and you just waste your time getting scolded and called out by me like you are now. Goodbye! JudgeJudyCourthouse25 (talk) 13:34, 24 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Let me correct myself actually. You are more than free to delete whatever you want, troll however much you want, etc. I couldn't give a damn. Any edits I make on this website is a service to this site and as soon as the trolling starts up, I am gone and the quality of material can go down here. I am not being paid for any of my time and contributions around here and am more than happy to leave permanently if some bored editors want to start trolling. I can reserve my time and efforts for a paid job and leave you to this volunteer work.JudgeJudyCourthouse25 (talk) 13:42, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant no disrespect and I'm sorry you took it that way. I understand the reliable sources policy can be confusing, which is why I provided you with a list of sources that you can use. It's no fun having all of our work undone, so I wanted to warn you not to use WhatCulture (or any other unreliable source) so that that doesn't happen.LM2000 (talk) 15:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I feel like a jerk. LOL!!! I apologize for my defensive reply and taking you the wrong way. I really appreciate how classy you were in your reply. Your information is very helpful and I appreciate your advice. Thanks so much for your class LM2000. I will correct the inaccurate sources I used by the way. Thank you so much! JudgeJudyCourthouse25 (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It is all good my friend. I'm sorry I came off as rude the first time around :) LM2000 (talk) 16:03, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship I do say. Also, it is quite clear why you are a Barnstar King, my friend. :) JudgeJudyCourthouse25 (talk) 17:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandal
Hi LM2000. Aardwolf68, a user you warned before is continuing persistently his wrong behavior. This user has been vandalizing Wikipedia since years, with his massive removals provided by misleading edit summaries, continuously adding unsourced and fake stuff, while also edit warring and insulting other users. Would you mind to take a look at it and eventually block him? 109.52.13.53 (talk) 11:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * His recent edits on Bianca Belair, Racial views of Donald Trump, Unforgiven (2004) and Role Model (song) for example


 * You know, the least you could’ve done was tag me so that I could have a say. Those mass removals were a complete mistake of mine being way too heated by a vandal on Chris Brown’s pages, and instead of helping out, I made the problem worse. The racial views of Donald Trump page had language that’s clearly biased such as “excuse”, and despite me despising Trump with a passion, every article needs a NPOV. The Unforgiven page edit is true, and was confirmed in an interview with Shawn Michaels, again, that’s my mistake for not sourcing it. The Role Model page is quite dubious as the lyrics clearly portray what was written, but was removed for being “unsourced”. I’m not going to play stupid. Aardwolf68 (talk) 18:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, it’s worth noting that I personally think that this IP may be a sock puppet of Morce Library, a perma blocked account for vandalism, making quotes look positive when they weren’t, among other things. Admin Sergecross had perma banned him for these reasons, and it looks to be that he’s trying to get revenge. What he did before his ban was accuse me of bad faith edits with no sourcing by looking through each of my contributions, and then removing them to make me upset. Please look into this, I have a feeling this is just another sock puppet. Aardwolf68 (talk) 18:43, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Is more than likely a sock of User:Morce Library, a user who I had a scuffle with earlier this year, said scuffle ended up in their ban. Look, I don't want this going on any longer than it has to, but it feels to me that this user is a sock trying to get "revenge" or whatever. Anyways, sorry to bother you with this pettiness. Aardwolf68 (talk) 18:55, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The IP who reported Me
 * Nice try wolf. Are SPECIFICO, Muhandes, Sergecross73, SNUGGUMS, Firefangledfeathers and many other users, that found your contributions to be vandalisms, sock puppets of a banned account?--109.52.36.82 (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

No, because they’re administrators who’ve been nothing but supportive of me despite my mistakes and I’m extremely grateful that they put up with me. Your language and tone on fuel to prove my point that you’re stalking my contributions, the same thing that Morce did. Aardwolf68 (talk) 20:16, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm not on fuel wolf, your deleted message on this talk page where you say "I’m not going to play stupid" while justifying your edits on the Donald Trump page explaining you "despising Trump with a passion", that one looks on fuel--109.52.244.230 (talk) 20:22, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I didn't even mean to delete it, my mistake, but yeah, I despite Trump, but my edits were only making the page more neutral in POV, as the article is critical of Trump, and I felt as if it wasn't neutral. Please use context. Aardwolf68 (talk) 20:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * You didn't mean to delete it but you rearticulated the whole message? Doesn't seem that honest to me--109.52.244.230 (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you, for the love of God, stop acting in bad faith? I'll put the entire message back if it really means that much to you, man. Aardwolf68 (talk) 21:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Aardwolf

Hi LM2000. I understand that i might've done lots of wrong stuff, but following this and this, the user is still doing the "far too heavy handed reverts" User:Sergecross73 told him not to do again. Look at here--146.241.192.13 (talk) 09:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting this in the ANI thread. We'll let them take care of it there.LM2000 (talk) 10:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Kane and Taker
Hello, LM. How are you' I want to tell you my last idea. Recently, I saw the article about Kane and Taker, the BoD. However, it mixes a lot of kayfabe and real-life. So, my idea is to include a section with the storyline background (Undertaker, the fire, Kane being desfigurated, the half-brother issue, Bearer...). Then, start with the career with a kayfabe-free vision. What do you think? Would you help me? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. It's common for articles about fictional characters to have a section on backstory and creation and then other sections on production, etc. I think we should do the same. I will be out for a few days, but I'll help when I can :)LM2000 (talk) 09:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice. There are some articles that can be written without this section, but BoD is a very kayfabe tag team. I'm gonna rewrite some parts. It's amazing how many over detailed, in universe stuff is in the article. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.

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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
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At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
 * Backlog drive

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
 * TIP – New school articles

There is a new template available,, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:
 * Misc

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
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After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


 * Coordination: and  have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out.  will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.


 * Open letter to the WMF: The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.


 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


 * New reviewers: The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.


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NPP message
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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
 * There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
 * Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
 * Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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Jim Londos photo
Hi LM. Since the Jim Londos image is a publicity photo released by Madison Square Garden doesn't it fall within the same guidelines of images like File:Grant, Cary (Suspicion) 01 Crisco edit.jpg or File:Katharine_Hepburn_promo_pic.jpg? I also ran across a similar photo from 1934 although I don't know if it's part of the same collection. 173.162.220.17 (talk) 16:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

working together again
Hello, LM. How are you? I want to propose to work together with another article. I was thinking Rey Mysterio. I'm worries with three policies. One, IN-UNIVERSE. As you know, we should not include fictional storylines as reality. Two, per MoS we have to include key elements and highlights of the wrestler, not every title match or PPV match. Three PAGESIZE. Articles over 100 kb "Almost certainly should be divided" and Rey is 182,442 bytes. I'm thinking to do a complete work with the article, trimming no notable matches, avoid storylines and try to summarize as long as I can. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:44, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry to get back to you so late. I did not mean to ignore you, I have been busy with some real-life stuff. I definitely think Rey needs some work, I'll try to look into it when I have time.LM2000 (talk) 13:37, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello LM. Dont worry, I have a bussy life too (I was recently promoted). As I said to Czello, I created a section in my sandbox. Feel free to change anything about Mysterio. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:00, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Wow, thank you! I truly appreciate it.LM2000 (talk) 06:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)