User talk:Labattblueboy/Archive 2

Messines barrage map
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Battle_of_Messines_-_plannig_map.jpg

Do you mind editing the typo ("plannig") to 'planning' please as I've failed to find a way to do it. Thanks.Keith-264 (talk) 09:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think the map works very well here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Keith-264/sandbox2 which has a revision of the Messines page (I hadn't realised it was GA class until I altered my laptop settings so I've tried to consolidate all the piecemeal changes....) which is nearing completion.Keith-264 (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Tenedos/Bozcaada
Thanks for your comments on the Tenedos/Bozcaada discussion. I'm seriously working hard here on forging community consensus about the name (as opposed to just defaulting to the status quo because of lack of consensus) of the island. In the spirit and letter of Wikipedia Naming Guidelines, that is the primary goal. I hope you will read my newest attempt at consensus-building, which is respectful and progressive. If you have any comments, they will be greatly appreciated. AbstractIllusions (talk) 13:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
 Nik the  stoned  14:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey there
Hi. With tongue partly in cheek, and for no one in particular as audience, I've illustrated the problem of source counting at Talk:Renée Zellweger. If we go source counting for how many sources have wikipedia-quality fonts we have to give an English name to Renée Zellweger and dozens of other American actors and singers as well. Also, the Vietnamese alphabet is based on Portuguese and already "given" to the Vietnamese by westerners, it's not the original Chinese-based script. We don't on en.wp romanize scripts which are already romanizations, check out Hagåtña. I'll hope you'll reconsider allowing those Vietnamese gods to be restored after the undiscussed move. At least if there's going to be an RM it should start from the way the article was. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, :) I'd like to reply on a couple of things, but first, so that I don't waste your time, have you ever been in a discussion on diacritics before? Are you familiar with Prolog's user page of diacritics? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No discussion on diacritics specifically, and I can't say that it's a topic that interests me greatly. I am more than happy to discuss the issue but you will find that my opinion regarding requested moves is more often then not guided by the convention of style guide that provides direction on a given subject. When no policy guidance exists to the contrary, the common name is the preferred option. The development of a Vietnamese naming convention that would provide guidance on diacritics for Vietnamese names may be the best venue for avoiding these issue in the future.--Labattblueboy (talk) 20:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay so you're coming out of the blue and not aware that in this case the convention of style guide WP:DIACRITICS that provides direction on a given subject has been slowburn edit warred so what is on top is in opposition to 100% of French Polish etc articles. Look in the history and you will see a succession of editors trying to change it to something that doesn't contradict the way en.wp's 4 million articles actually are. Also we've just had several long votes on Vietnamese diacritics Talk:Ca Mau and so on, and an RfC where 23 vs 16 were in favour of diacritics. Ultimately you should express your own view. If you personally are against e.g. Talk:Renée Zellweger or against a Vietnamese god have native spelling express what you want... since the guidelines express only the personal view of those whose edits are on top at the moment.
 * The essay on the typological issues is at User:Prolog/Diacritical marks In ictu oculi (talk) 00:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi did you have a look? ... the question now really, when all other A-Z languages have accents, why discriminate against Vietnamese? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hi
Support I don't particularly care about the diacritics one way or the other, but "city" is not required in the title. This article was moved by In ictu oculi while a number of requested move discussions on Vietnamese names were/are taking place. The reasoning for the move may very well be valid but the execution was not appropriate, and certainly not uncontroversial.--Labattblueboy (talk) 04:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a little one-sided, you could have noted that it was restoring an undiscussed move made counter RM decision on town names? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:25, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You're also unaware of the rest of the background, IPs, removing notice of failed RM, etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:33, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Moving/reverting names with diacritics is not uncontroversial. These are disruptive edits and should not continue. Both you and Kauffner need to stop doing it.--Labattblueboy (talk) 12:33, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said, you're also unaware of the rest of the background, IPs, removing notices of failed RM, etc. Whatever you might think, it seems many editors would consider that there is a difference between (i) making an undiscussed move counter a RM, and (ii) reverting such a move. But if you don't agree you're welcome to differ. As for "city", by all means try moving the article back to the original full Vietnamese form but without city. This would be a solution that should make almost everyone happy. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:26, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am very likely missing some of the background, however the little I have seen leaves me nothing but displeased. I would be entirely fine with removing city for the title and leaving this article where it stands until a broader solution is decided upon.--Labattblueboy (talk) 03:08, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty displeased myself, but not as much as some. Whose name you won't see at Talk:Lac Long Quan because of being disillusioned with the attitude to Vietnamese on en.wp. I'd hope that now that you know that there were 1600 undiscussed moves and a majority RfC in favour of restoring them, you would you at least revisit your opposition (specifically your opposition to restoring undiscussed moves at Talk:Lac Long Quan, Talk:My Linh) and treating Vietnamese names as we treat all other Latin alphabets. Because at the moment you're opposing that and supporting unique treatment for Vietnamese. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There being a majority is not a valid argument (WP:MAJORITY / WP:VOTE) and if I remember correctly the RfC conclusion was no consensus. My view is that without any specific guidance to the contrary, the common name, whether it employ diacritics or not, should be the name employed. Naturally, I would support expanding that to include cases where disambiguation between two names is required and the best way to do so is via diacritics. SA good number of the 1600 articles (I'm not sure that's an accurate number, I only did a spot check) you mention have been moved a number of times in their history, so it's not easy to identify which is the most stable or appropriate name. With that in mind, I likely won't change my mind at Talk:Lac Long Quan because the data was rather conclusive. For Talk:My Linh, I would be willing to reconsider if information showing that the diacritic name is the most common name in English sources. That situation is a case where each should likely be evaluated individually. If a naming convention was developed for Vietnamese names I would naturally support that concluding guideline, but in this case there isn't one. --Labattblueboy (talk) 15:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, well what's the point of advocating a RfC if the majority won't be listened to anyway? (Which is of course what has happened). But thanks for raising the two other points:
 * (i) There was a large uncontroversial and largely self-generating set of moves to upgrade spellings across the whole of Wikipedia 2006ish as Wikipedia upgraded from ASCII. That goes across all Latin-alphabet languages, Polish, Maltese, Turkish, Vietnamese. We're talking 100,000s of "moves" which weren't considered "moves" since it was a font upgrade issue. I'd be very surprised if you can show me any articles moving in the other direction. Do you have an example?
 * (ii) As for most common. en.wp does not follow "most common." The full spelling is never the most common in English sources, because of multiplicity of html/paperback/newspaper sources. This goes for Chloë Grace Moretz onwards, which is why every en.wp article has diacritics despite the most common sources not doing. Again can you show an example to substantiate that diacritics are most common for any article? We don't follow "most common" for Chloë Grace Moretz, Lech Wałęsa but you say we should for Mỹ Linh. Why pick on just one language? Is it, as one User suggested because Vietnamese are Asian? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:40, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * RfC are not about majority vote but quality of argument, so let the majority argument go, it won't get you anywhere. Unless some naming convention provides direction to the contrary (take WP:IMOS or WP:NC-KO as examples) we do most often employ the common name in requested moves. The lack of an agreed upon naming convention for Vietnamese names is why there is inconsistent use of diacritics in that language category. Opposing the use of diacritics in a given case does not mean someone is discriminating against Vietnamese or Asians in general.--Labattblueboy (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Labattblueboy
 * re. "RfC are not about majority vote but quality of argument, so let the majority argument go, it won't get you anywhere."
 * The relevance is that you arrived on this subject telling everyone that we should have one. The point of mentioning it is you raised it. Now that you know there was one.
 * re. "Opposing the use of diacritics in a given case does not mean someone is discriminating against Vietnamese or Asians in general."
 * Who is opposing the use of diacritics in a given case ? This is exactly the point. 100% of Europeans have diacritics on en.wp, 100%, and some Users are against all Vietnamese names in titles. There is no "given case" - I have tried to submit this fact for your attention three times now, and you don't seem to believe it. At this point I'm going to ask you if you don't believe me, then find out for yourself, go and search en.wp to find a non-Vietnamese article which has been diacritic stripped. Happy hunting.
 * Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I should have clarified that maybe an RfC at a different location or of broader context would have been more appropriate. As you put it, other languages and cultural groups do employ diacritics and it is possible the results would be different if a wider net was cast. There are always people who oppose diacritics for any language, it doesn't make them racist, it just means they disagree with their general usage. WP:ARMEN, WP:NC-CHINA (for tone marks) and even a bit of WP:HE provide instances where diacritics are not to be employed but equally provide context on when they should. A prominent example that comes to mind is Qur'an rather than Qurʾān, but going through the archives of WP:UE would surely produce more--Labattblueboy (talk) 19:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for this reply. It's nice to see that you are taking the subject seriously and sincerely and appears you have evidently read Prolog's essay/resources I linked above or something very similar.
 * No, opposition to diacritics doesn't have to be racist (you mentioned the r-word, not me, xenonymophobic would be more neutral), that was one endearing thing about GoodDay, the extremely anti-diacritic editor who got blocked recently. I liked that he also went for Zoë Baird, which showed he wasn't motived by feelings against foreigners. However you will see "foreign thingys" "invasion of foreign editors" and similar sentiment around the park.
 * And indeed most editors who are against Vietnamese names are also against Czech or even French, it's just that for whatever reason there is now consensus on European names.
 * The difference between Armenian/Chinese/Hebrew/Arabic/Russian and French/Czech/Turkish/Vietnamese/Maori/Croatian is that French/Czech/Turkish/Vietnamese/Maori/Croatian are Latin-alphabet, not romanizations. Admittedly Turkish/Vietnamese/Croatian did "start" as romanizations, but now they are not, they are as Latin as Croatian and more Latin than Icelandic.
 * 19thC script: Ђуро Даничић, 吳士連, مصطفى كمال أتاتورك
 * 20thC script: Đuro Daničić, Ngô Sĩ Liên, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
 * New York Times: Duro Danicic, Ngo Si Lien. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
 * Chicago/academic: Đuro Daničić, Ngô Sĩ Liên, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
 * Vietnamese is already romanised, there is no romanization like exists for Russian. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Polygon Wood map
Is this available to add to the PW page? Thanks.Keith-264 (talk) 12:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Sorry! Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 19:56, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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messines
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at ACR or FAC, there might possibly be a question raised about the source for "File:Battle of Messines - planning map (cropped).jpg". Currently the source is the generic "www.awm.gov.au", but at ACR or FAC, they will probably want a direct link (if one exists), or a book with a page number; "File:Battle of Messines - Map.jpg": probably has a similar issue, in that its listed source is the generic "www.dean.usma.edu";

Greetings Labatt, these comments were made during the peer review for the Messines page. Are the maps your contributions? They look like they're from the AWM so if so, are there any more detailed citations available? ThanksKeith-264 (talk) 12:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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Maps
I've been looking at the maps you've uploaded and put several onto the 3rd Ypres pages. I don't suppose there's anything showing the Gheluvelt plateau/Menin ridge is there? Thanks. PS Messines is in for an A-class review.Keith-264 (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
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Deepwater Horizon oil spill
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1971 Bangladesh atrocities
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Inter Milan RM
I feel you have missed the point of the RM. I am not suggesting that F.C. Internazionale Milano is the most common name for the club; I am merely pointing out that the club's short names – "Internazionale", "Inter" and "Inter Milan" – all have issues that make them unsuitable as titles for the article. As you pointed out, "Internazionale" is unsuitable because it is simply the Italian word for "International" and therefore rather ambiguous; "Inter" is equally problematic as it is merely short for "Internazionale"; finally, "Inter Milan" is not suitable as it has not yet been proven that, globally, it is more of a prominent nickname than either of the other two – it may be popular in the Anglosphere, but even though this is the English Wikipedia, we are not bound by what is produced by English-language sources; certainly in Italian, "Inter Milan" is never used. As I have mentioned in the RM, we have done something similar with the association football article, since neither "football" nor "soccer" was an appropriate title. I hope you understand the purpose of this RM now and why I selected the target title as I did. Besides, the article had been located pretty stably at F.C. Internazionale Milano since 2006 until that flawed RM came up last year. – PeeJay 18:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If you're suggesting that Internazionale Milano is not the common name than its likely not the most appropriate title. What the team is named in other languages is largely irrelevant; it only matters what the team is named in English sources. The article titles will often be the official name but not always. I appreciate that Inter Milan is not really a proper translation but it is nonetheless the most common name in English and consequently the most appropriate title. Alas, it’s common enough for subjects to have different names across languages, so the translated differences are not something of concern because it doesn’t result in ambiguity.--Labattblueboy (talk) 15:05, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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Tech RM
Hi L, I posted under one of them
 * Procedural close - sorry L, but really these should be at technical moves, and reverted automatically by WP:BRD. We shouldn't have to cite the 23:10 (excluding 6 canvassed votes) majority of recent RfC to restore the articles.

Thanks, know you mean well here, and I'd personally like these restored, but if we wanted a full WP Vietnam RM, we can pick more important articles from among the 1500 articles already undiscussed moved. WP Vietnam is short of editors and general tiredness already. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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By the way
If it's okay to ask, may I ask what your particular interest in Vietnam is? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In Vietnam itself, none really. I do eat Vietnamese a fair amount just on account of the neighbourhood I live in, buy that's largely beyond the point. My interests in the topic only developed because Vietnamese diacritic centric moved request started showing up at WP:RM on a disproportionate basis from others and my involvement has largely flowed from there.--Labattblueboy (talk) 16:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, okay. Just wondering since you didn't take part in the Vietnamese diacritics RfC. It's only disproportionate since so many articles - pretty well the entire article corpus - was undiscussed moved. With the, now history, Hockey and Tennis issues it was only 300 plus 50 articles which were created not moved. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well there hasn't been an RfC on the topic for some time now. The RfC was certainly before I became at all engaged. I would much rather there be a consensus from that community but thems the breams sometimes.--Labattblueboy (talk) 02:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, unfortunately the fact that an RM has had previous moves is relevant, though I did initially place the RM template without mentioning it. FWIW here is the timeline:
 * 04:51, 6 October 2011‎ Kauffner locked move using ({R to alternative} template)
 * 05:36, 11 August 2011‎ Kauffner moved Nguyễn Trãi to Nguyen Trai over redirect: Drop Vietnamese diacritics as there is virtually no use in published English. See Britannica, discussion at Talk:Ngo Bao Chau)
 * 19:59, 5 August 2011‎ Scarfaced Charley reverted Nguyen Trai to Nguyễn Trãi
 * 16:50, 28 July 2011‎ Sphilbrick (i.e. Kauffner by db6 "uncontroversial move")‎ (moved Nguyễn Trãi to Nguyen Trai: Move Vietnamese name to non-diacritical form per discussion at Talk:Ngo Bao Chau, Britannica, WP:UE, and official use by the Vietnam News Agency.) -........ but where is the discussion about Nguyễn Trãi at Talk:Ngo Bao Chau?

Also 28 July-07 Aug Talk:Cần Thơ RM demonstrates that this wasn't an uncontroversial move even in July-August 2011. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion at Talk:Microsoft Minesweeper#Requested move (again)
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Discussion at Talk:MacKeeper
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Commonwealth War Graves Commission
I saw you jumped right in and undertook some maintenance, updating and improving Commonwealth War Graves Commission after I nominated it for GA-review (though I realize your edits might not have been connected to any future review). I decided to nominate the article after a brief exchange with User:Carcharoth, where he confirmed his original interest in reassessing the article, though he was unable to say that he would definitively be the one to do the review - if it gets done at all anytime soon... My point in writing this message was just to thank you for attending to the article so quickly. It's great to see there's genuine interest and I hope that the end result is the promotion of this article to GA-status, however far away (or close) that might be. Since you're a principle contributor to the article, I have a question: would you be the one who could organize an ad-hoc "peer" review of it while you're waiting for someone to start the formal review process? Not sure if you'd thought about that or not, or what relationships, if any, you have w/ other contributors to the article. Maybe there aren't any other active contributors? idk. Anyway, I just hope it goes well and that the article is promoted, Cheers.  Azx2  06:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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RfC relating to Vietnamese geo article titles
Since you participated in either the previous RfC or in a recent related RM you may wish to be informed of Talk:Gia Bình District. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:37, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Link to COH
The old link to the COH isn't working but this one is http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/his/docs/CEF_e.pdf Keith-264 (talk) 23:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Bradley Manning/October 2013 move request
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Discussion of interest
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Talk:Yadkin River bridges
I didn't handle it right. I was thinking of splitting the Wil-Cox Bridge content into its own article if its historic status justifies a separate article. Only then would the move be appropriate, with the necessary changes in content.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:19, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Eskimo
Hi. As proposer you didn't comment on the previous section 4 options. Indigenous People of the Arctic, Indigenous Peoples of the Arctic, Indigenous People of the North American Arctic, Indigenous Peoples of the North American Arctic. Do you have an opinion on the pre-RM discussed titles? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, just a question here. I noted you have changed the "allegiance" designation in a number of articles' infoboxes. Can you point me to the discussion that the changes were made due to consensus via MILHIST discussion. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
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Comox people
I'm sorry that I didn't understand "...I take this to mean it should be located at K’omoks until a requested move chooses otherwise..." at Talk:Comox people. I figured that I must protect the version name before the war began otherwise it would freeze a name in place that would be unsatisfactory to one of the two editors. It seemed fair. Do you feel I should have done otherwise? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:48, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

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Canadian National Vimy Memorial reversion
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Hi there. As I've now got more free time than I did last year, I've returned to the topic of memorials and images of those memorials (mostly WWI ones but also other ones as well). I started by going to Commons and requesting undeletion of images of memorials designed by Lutyens as those are now public domain (as of 31 December 2014, the end of the 70th year since he died on 1 January 1944) so the absence of FoP in France no longer matters. For that discussion, see here and. However, I only just now became aware of and the other ones on that page. What I am going to try and do is document the discussions that have taken place regarding these images. I am going to ping User:Skeezix1000 as well. Ultimately, my aim will be to try and get at least one image of each memorial present under fair use, even if nothing else is possible, and also to try and get a readable summary of the entire debate up to the present (with the intention of getting further review and possibly a final resolution). Does that sound like it would be possible and is it something you (and maybe Skeezix) would be willing to help with? Carcharoth (talk) 20:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Crosses of Sacrifice
While categorising lots of Crosses of Sacrifice on Commons, I came across this one in Weymouth, Massachusetts, USA. I am assuming this is one of the non-CWGC ones, but was wondering if you would be able to shed any light on this? While doing that categorising, I came across several historical pics of unveilings and even an old picture of a construction of a Cross of Sacrifice, so I'm going to add those pics to the Cross of Sacrifice page. Carcharoth (talk) 01:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Pro Patria is the motto of the Royal Canadian Regiment. It's certainly not a CWGC cross of sacrifice as there is no CWGC cemetery in Weymouth, Mass. Given it's proximity to Boston (and Boston's historical shipping link with Halifax, Nova Scotia and St. John's Newfoundland it's more than likely a memorial to men that joined the Canadian military before the US joined either war.--Labattblueboy (talk) 16:13, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've left it in the Commons category, as that doesn't (yet) distinguish between CWGC crosses of sacrifice and other ones (that copy or follow the CWGC design). I spent some time on Commons yesterday putting lots of images in that Crosses of Sacrifice category and in the Stone of Remembrance category as well. Presumably the Cross of Sacrifice at Beechwood Cemetery is a CWGC one? In the process of that image work at Commons, I came across some interesting images of official wreath-laying and early construction and so forth. I've mostly added those to the en-WP articles. While sorting through all that, I came across Commons:Category:Croix du Sacrifice. I tried to find something about this memorial on Wikipedia, but nothing yet that I can see. Should it be somewhere on Canadian war memorials? While looking through that list, I also tried to find pictures for the Monument des Braves, Shawinigan and the Monument aux braves de N.D.G., but got distracted by finding Commons:Category:Monument aux Braves (Québec) which seems to be something else again... I have now worked out where that Cross of Sacrifice is - it is in Quebec City at the entrance to the Plains of Abraham, so I'm going to add one of those images to that article. More here. Carcharoth (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of SAMPA


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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. JSpung (talk) 14:20, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CVII, February 2015
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The Bugle: Issue CVIII, March 2015
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Orphaned non-free image File:Mackeeper-logo.png
 Thanks for uploading File:Mackeeper-logo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 23:57, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CIX, April 2015
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The Bugle: Issue CX, May 2015
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Hello from the team at Featured article review!


We are preparing to take a closer look at Featured articles promoted in 2004–2010 that may need a review. We started with a script-compiled list of older FAs that have not had a recent formal review. The next step is to prune the list by removing articles that are still actively maintained, up-to-date, and believed to meet current standards. We know that many of you personally maintain articles that you nominated, so we'd appreciate your help in winnowing the list where appropriate.

Please take a look at the sandbox list, check over the FAs listed by your name, and indicate on the sandbox talk page your assessment of their current status. Likewise, if you have taken on the maintenance of any listed FAs that were originally nominated by a departed editor, please indicate their status. BLPs should be given especially careful consideration.

Thanks for your help! Maralia (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

COI Warning re MacKeeper
Hello, Labattblueboy. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you have an external relationship with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article MacKeeper, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies. Note that Wikipedia's terms of use require disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. MissPiggysBoyfriend (talk) 04:58, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You are more than welcome to push the subject with whomever you like. Any search of my account history or location would quickly show I have no link to the company.--Labattblueboy (talk) 11:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't take Piggy's claim seriously, this is the second time the user believed another user had a "conflict of interest" in this article, alone. You are getting this since you disagreed with MissPiggysBoyfriend, even though you have been here for nine years and should be respected a little more for your veteran status. Take care. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:39, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXI, June 2015
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The Bugle: Issue CXII, July 2015
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The Bugle: Issue CXIII, August 2015
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The Bugle: Issue CXIV, September 2015
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The Bugle: Issue CXV, October 2015
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File:VC Corner Australian Cemetery and Memorial.jpg
Clarification, the Author listed here is the Architect? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:15, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXVI, November 2015
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Nominations for the Military history WikiProject historian and newcomer of the year awards now open!
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Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:39, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St Symphorien Military Cemetery
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The Bugle: Issue CXVII, December 2015
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DYK nomination of St Symphorien Military Cemetery
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 * There are further issues with this nomination, and action is needed. Please stop by at your earliest convenience. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 23:10, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

File from the NLS Collection
Hi, I've seen the image that you have downloaded it in a resolution of 2.359 × 1.833px.

The original is only the possibility to download it at 1000px down.

Can you tell me how to do that? Is there perhaps a FAQ in which is found? Sorry about my bad English. Thank you and a happy new year. --Knochen ﱢﻝﱢ‎ 09:22, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of St Symphorien Military Cemetery
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Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
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 * Labattblueboy, I really wouldn't worry about this too much just yet. Definitely be aware of 3RR and don't engage in edit warring, but this template is a lot more scary than what's going on here. See my comments on the AN3 noticeboard if you want to. J♯m (talk &#124; contribs) 05:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yowza. I've only gotten back to June... you'd think there would be an easy answer here, but there often isn't. I'm not going to make any comments on the AN3 page at this point; it's deeper than I want to get into. I will however post a brief history. J♯m (talk &#124; contribs) 05:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Stay off my talk page.
Stay off my talk page. CombatWombat42 (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * @CombatWombat42, the process requires you be informed. Take that issue up those that reached that decision. Nevertheless, you've been advised.--Labattblueboy (talk) 16:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Seeing as you violated the scale and audience part of WP:APPNOTE, I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. CombatWombat42 (talk) 19:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * If you truly feel that that is the case you are certainly free to refer the topic to WP:ANI.However, I don't edit in bad faith and I trust any review would find the same.--Labattblueboy (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK
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 * Please see new note on your DYK nomination. Yoninah (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi again. Several (!) editors promoted this while we were in the middle of our discussion about the image. I've reopened the nomination and have answered your question about the image, as well as posted two images we could use. Yoninah (talk) 17:58, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXVIII, January 2016
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DYK for St Symphorien Military Cemetery
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The Bugle: Issue CXIX, February 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXX, March 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXI, April 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXII, May–June 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXIII, July 2016
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Commonwealth War Graves Commission (template and article)
I went ahead and created Template:Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Do you think that is a good way to organise it, or are there better layouts? I added it to the article - do you think that article can be pushed to the next stage soon with a bit more work? I also popped in briefly to the FAC review for the Vimy Memorial article and added to that. Carcharoth (talk) 22:06, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXIV, August 2016
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The Bugle: Issue CXXV, September 2016
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Military history WikiProject coordinator election
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The Bugle: Issue CXXVI, October 2016
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South of the Border
I found an interesting article in a local newspaper about this campy place. Since it was by a Washington Post reporter, or at least it appeared there, I thought it would be worthwhile to try to incorporate some of the content into the article. I'm sure others could do it better, though. You seem interested in the subject.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  20:05, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXVII, November 2016
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Sorrel
Added a casualties section you might want to look over. Since I'm in the vicinity I am thinking of adding the German account in the OH, interested? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 11:26, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXVIII, December 2016
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Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:33, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXXIX, January 2017
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