User talk:Lacey-lee evin

Lillix
From your username, I cannot tell if you really are Lacey-Lee or not. If you are not, you need to stop using this user name, because pretending to be a celebrity is a violation of Wikipedia policies.

If you truly are Lacey-Lee, then you need to contact the OTRS (see WP:OTRS) and show them some evidence that you are her. You also need to read WP:COI, because editing articles about yourself is strongly discouraged.

One way or the other, your contributions to Lillix have been reverted. This is for several reasons. First, the tone of the contribution was not appropriate: it read like a Myspace page, not an encyclopedia entry. This isn't surprising because of the second problem: it was a direct copy of the band's Myspace page. The Myspace page is copyrighted, and cannot be included in Wikipedia. It would have to have an explicit release of copyright before it can be included. This is true even if you are Lacey-Lee and own the contents of the page.

If you have questions, please click here and type away. I'll leave a response here (you'll get the bright orange bar again).&mdash;Kww(talk) 14:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm just a random editor that has that page on his watchlist (there was some vandalism on it that I fixed, so I keep an eye). Making objective, factual changes to the article that don't promote the band should be fine. You just need to keep the style and tone similar to the existing article. Or you can just leave me a list, and I will do it if it's a pile of small stuff. I was serious about contacting the OTRS, though. We have real problems with people pretending to be people they aren't. My wife is taking me to the movies this morning, so it will be a few hours before I can respond again.&mdash;Kww(talk) 17:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Sourcing
Is there anyplace I can get verification of this information? Don't be offended, but I can't just take your word that you are yourself. It's for your protection: you wouldn't want people to be able to pretend to be you and have your page changed to match things that they said.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

If you would contact WP:OTRS, like I asked above, they would tell you what it takes to make it official. For me to be happy, post the same information someplace at lillixonline.com so that I have a place to verify it from (there's a difference between copying text from your site and verifying facts from your site). If you are able to do that, I know that you have control of the band's official site and probably are who you say they are. When I asked you to give me the facts, it didn't occur to me that they would be things that I couldn't check out on your website.&mdash;Kww(talk) 04:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No one has made anything difficult for you. I'm sorry if it seems that way. I won't be able to completely update the page based on "Kww" being posted on your website. I need a place to point to for Britt Black leaving in Winter 2009 and an announcement of your music video.&mdash;Kww(talk) 06:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I hope you won't mind if a stranger suddenly pops in here, because I'd like to point something out. I've been watching your discussion with User:Kww and hoping that you would see what he's trying to tell you, so you can help the Lillix page get updated. In your last edit to his Talk page, you wrote something that made me think you're still missing it.

You said, "On behalf of the band and management, can you please stop making this so difficult." And of course, we're not actually here to serve the band and management, we're here to try to provide verifiable information on notable bands (and other topics) to our readers. If that includes your band, great. Even greater if our verifiable information is actually current and true. But without reliable sources, we don't have verifiability, and without that, we've just got a lot of gossipy mush. It's the nature of the project, and we struggle constantly to keep the quality level up.

That's why Kww is trying to help you find out about the procedures already in place. He's not trying to make anything difficult. Go to WP:OTRS as he says. Work with the system. And good luck. Respectfully, &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 06:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * And as someone who watches the Lillix page and has tried to keep it updated in the past, I'll echo what's said above. I want the page to be accurate, but there just isn't much in the way of reliable sources to work with...that is, newspaper articles, industry journals and other peer-reviewed, fact-checked material. From the very quick look I just took, even the Lillix site doesn't have much beyond flash updates. We can't use Myspace or Facebook or other social networking sites. I'd be happy with even a formal press release on the Lillix site that updates current members and band activity. If you could point to recent newspaper articles or the like that would provide the material, that would be great. I'll help in any way I can. — Huntster (t @ c) 11:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)