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Hi. I wish to suggest that when you list an image you have uploaded for deletion, you state the reason why you think the image should be deleted on the deletion request. This is helpful to other Wikipedians and Admins who make the determination on deletion requests. Thanks. Cheers, Infrogmation (talk) 00:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks, I have updated them. Lachlanusername (talk) 01:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

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You will also find it useful to read my image copyright information page. ww2censor (talk) 03:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Beki and the Bullets
You tagged Beki and the Bullets for cleanup for formatting. Can you be more specific about how the formatting needs to be improved? RJFJR (talk) 20:29, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It appears to have been fixed since I tagged it. Lachlanusername (talk) 21:06, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. RJFJR (talk) 17:46, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
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The 'The' in The Smashing Pumpkins
The relevant part at WP:MoS is not definitive! See Names (definite article). It seems contradictory, on the one hand it says "Capitalized "The" may be preferred when listing bands," whereas it then says "Capitalized "The" is optional in wikilinks". So its probably up to a consensus of interested editors.

For my part, I thought The Beatles was always The Beatles never the Beatles nor Beatles. So, by extension, I'd use The Smashing Pumpkins but I can see your point about expression: go with what you feel is okay: if the article ever goes to GAN the argument can be re-hashed again.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Mark Duggan
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Tonight's The Night
Need to think about some of your AfD nominations. Might I suggest that before you tag them you check with some peers as to whether they are notable of not, otherwise we could run the issue of having to deal a 10 pound hammer or the like. Myself and other (Aus music) editors are happy to work with you at improving articles & ensuring they are properly referenced, establishing their notability or agreeing that they aren't notable (with many needing to be incorporated into either the article on the musician/band or album). I think that we can all work together rather than against each other. Dan arndt (talk) 09:26, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I will try and do that in the future. Lachlanusername (talk) 11:25, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

10,000 Maniacs
Just curious, why did you remove Category American Alternative Rock groups from the 10,000 Maniacs page? GullyWalker (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I replaced it with Category:Alternative rock groups from New York as I am placing pages in the American alternative rock groups category into sub-categories where applicable. Lachlanusername (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Removal of Category:Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Hi. Just wondering (more for my own information) why you removed the Category:Australian Broadcasting Corporation? GFHandel &#9836;
 * Whoops, sorry, I didn't realise I had removed it. I intended to change the category to Category:Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio stations. Lachlanusername (talk) 10:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Blink-182
I appreciate your adding sources to back up your addition of "alternative rock" to the infobox, but there are a couple of problems: I hope this helps to explain why I removed "alternative rock" from the infobox. Please feel free to add sourced content to the "Musical style and influences" section. Once this is done, the infobox can be updated to reflect the genres discussed in that section. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:38, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) "Alternative rock" still isn't mentioned anywhere in the article prose. The infobox is meant to summarize details from the article. There shouldn't be any genres in the infobox that aren't discussed with sources in the "Musical style and influences" section. If you would like to add some prose to that section and use the references there, that would be fine and would support adding this genre to the infobox. But the references need to be used to back up prose; they don't go in the infobox.
 * 2) Merely citing the bullet-pointed genre list on Allmusic is insufficient. You need some prose (such as from the biography or review itself) giving context to the genres. For example, if the Allmusic biography mentions that the Blink-182 album represented a shift towards alternative rock, you could say that and cite the bio (I checked; it doesn't).
 * 3) Rate Your Music is not a reliable source by Wikipedia's standards. All information on RYM is user-contributed. Wikipedia requires "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy"; RYM fails this criteria. For more information on sources, see WP:SOURCES and WP:RS. This is the same reason that we cannot cite Last.fm, Amazon.com's user reviews/comments, or online forums.


 * Okay, thanks, and I didn't know you were supposed to add citations to article prose rather than the infobox so it's good to know now. Lachlanusername (talk) 20:41, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There are times when it can be appropriate to add citations to the infobox, such as when dealing with contentious information, but as a general rule the citations should be in the article body rather than the infobox. This is because the infobox is merely a summary of key facts from the article, so there should be nothing in the infobox that isn't also in the article body where it should be supported by sources. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Gorillaz, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. Friginator (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Please refrain from changing genres, as you did to Gorillaz, without providing a source and without establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. Thank you. Friginator (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There's only two references given to alternative rock in the entire article, and the pages it links to don't mention alternative rock, so shouldn't, if anything, it be removed from the page rather than kept, given that it is essentially an uncited statement at the moment? Lachlanusername (talk) 04:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

September 2011
Thanks for being a part of Wikipedia, however, please do not continue to remove the "american alternative rock" categories from pages such as for The Seldon Plan, as you can see from the comments above, it is disruptive and you are offering no justification in the discussion section of the pages you are removing from. Goferwiki (talk) 20:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I remove them because there is no mention of alternative rock in the articles, therefore, does it not make sense that they shouldn't be in an alternative rock category? Lachlanusername (talk) 23:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

No, because as per wiki etiquette:

1) You did not put the matter up for discussion on the page. 2) I have found a few articles (including The Baltimore Sun, which is a different article than what is quoted, here is an example (http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2005-07-21/entertainment/0507200053_1_artscape-four-stages-dj-culture/2) that lists this band as "alt-rock" or "alternative rock". It might be best to put this sort of stuff up for discussion instead of wantonly deleting things...you can see by the other reactions on your page that by putting it up for discussion first, you will get more support up front on your decision. I will revert, then find the appropriate articles with the text and edit the article. I do understand your reasoning to some extent so I am trying to find the middle ground here, I agree with the indie rock designation per your reasoning, I modified that a bit, see if it is to your liking. Goferwiki (talk) 01:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Lachlanusername (talk) 08:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Spiderbait
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Rolling Stones reverts against consensus
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Hello, Lachlanusername. I appreciate your efforts to tidy up the references at Siouxsie and the Banshees. Unfortunately, by consolidating the refs your recent edit removed what information we had available regarding page numbers. Removing that info reduces the usefulness of the references. Would you be so kind as to restore the page information, please? Thanks, &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 14:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Very nicely done. Thanks again. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 02:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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 * LF, please leave wikipedia forever.--Milowent • hasspoken 00:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I shall stay if only to annoy people like you. LF (talk) 17:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Milowent, please don't attempt to deter users from editing Wikipedia. This is evidently disruptive editing and could lead to a block on your editing privileges. Clearly LF is a productive editor.  Mr. Wikipediania Talk 03:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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Sette scialli di seta gialla
Hey, LF. I moved and expanded an article you created (now located at Sette scialli di seta gialla) and was hoping to nominate it for a Did You Know hook; however I wanted to check with you first as you put the initial effort into creating the article and finding some sources and an image. Would you be open to a co-nomination? I don't mind what the hook focusses on if you see something you'd want to go with (I was thinking of using the two screenwriter's previous collaboration on Django spara per primo but there's also the quotes from the Allrovi review or the fact it's inspired by L'uccello dalle piume di cristallo, if anything catches your eye). Hope I haven't stepped on any toes jumping in and expanding the article like this. GRAPPLE  X  03:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No that's fine, you've done great work on it so you decide what to put there. :) LF (talk) 07:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Stop please
Could you stop to put a notability tag to every article about a film that is poorly referenced? Template:Notability requires that this template should be used when "an article subject is, in your judgment, reasonably likely to be non-notable (not the sort of subject that Wikipedia ought to have an article about)". It also says "Notability requires only that appropriate sources have been published about the subject. It does not require that any editor has already named these sources, followed the neutral, encyclopedic style, or otherwise written a good article." Please follow these rules, add a refimprove tag or nominate these articles for deletion. And many of the articles you tagged, such as The Hills Run Red (2009 film) or The Fifth Cord, are already better referenced that several of yours (ie L'iguana dalla lingua di fuoco or The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh), that have just AllMovie like source. Regards, Cavarrone (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Both of those articles (The Hills Run Red (2009 film) and The Fifth Cord), I believe, are reasonably likely to be non-notable, if not more than reasonably likely. They don't establish notability, therefore should be tagged with . Allmovie is a notable website and resource that has individual reviews for both L'iguana dalla lingua di fuoco or The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh, therefore, to me, qualifies these films as notable for articles on Wikipedia, and more notable than the previous two articles with references that do not appear to be notable. LF (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, if the AllRovi/AllMovie is reliable enough for your articles, could me explain why is it not reliable for other articles you tagged, like Sleepy Hollow High or Skull Heads? Bah, I'm reverting all them... you are free to nominate them for deletion. Cavarrone (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. ...I'm reviewing articles you tagged, it's impressive how many of them have the AllMovie reviews as external link! You probably didn't realized that AllRovi = AllMovie, but, excluding bad faith, this is the proof you haven't checked these links. Be more careful, and apply WP:NRVE in order to establish if a subject is notable or not: Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate citation. Wikipedia articles are not a final draft, and an article's subject can be notable if such sources exist, even if they have not been named yet. You cannot evaluate notability just on the basis of the references named (or not named) in an article without a minimal search. Putting an average of 5 "notability tags" in one minute is not a serious way of work. Regards, Cavarrone (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was aware of that, but the films I tagged which had Allmovie as an external link didn't feature reviews by the website, only overviews. This may not seem important, but for example Allmusic and the New York Times websites both have thousands of skeletal album and film pages, respectively, in their databases that feature only minimal information and no reviews, so would that make all those notable? LF (talk) 02:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, okay, sorry, I hadn't come across that paragraph stating that films aren't notable for inclusion on Wikipedia if they don't contain explicit references to notable/reliable sources... I think that makes less sense than my method as it effectively allows for the existence of an article for any film, but I accept that if that's the rule. LF (talk) 02:38, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I second Cavarrone's request to stop tagging every film article, and in your case, horror film artiles, that don't yet have sources placed in them. You think the film Seizure that was written and directed by Oliver Stone is reasonably likely to be non-notable?  This mass tagging is appearing disruptive.  Please stop.--Oakshade (talk) 23:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Stop, again
You wrote above that you have understood, if it is so, why the hell now have you tagged this article for notability despite the fact it shows multiple references including Bloody Disgusting and Dread Central and a minimal search shows it has multiple book sources? Sorry, as for me this is the last warning, after which I will open a dispute in the relevant context. --Cavarrone (talk) 06:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

warning
Quite a few of your recent edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please understand, just as was pointed out above, notability is dependent upon sources being available, and NOT that available sources actually be IN an article. Using twinkle to carpet bomb multiple-articles-a-minute, specially articles that others have shown as notable, shows a lack of due diligence and is disruptive to the encyclopdia. If, AFTER researching, you find notability is lacking, then a tag is appropriate, but mass tagging on the supposition that what is in the article is not enough, is not appropriate. Continued disruption places your editing privilages at serious risk.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 06:30, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering all the work I do for Wikipedia, I would like to know what exactly it is about After Death, for example, that might be notable. The Cinema Snob reviewed it, but "The Cinema Snob" doesn't have its own article, it is a section in another article. Does that mean every one of the thousands of films he's reviewed is now notable for inclusion on Wikipedia? Or what about the Allmovie info page with no review? Does that mean all the thousands of films with Allmovie info pages and no reviews/real original author content are notable? The New York Times' website is another good example; they have thousands of info pages for films with no author prose or anything other than data.


 * How silly it seems to me to keep articles on subjects which haven't been established to be deserving of one and for people to get upset at a tag I've placed on a page rather than actually establish notability in the first place. LF (talk) 06:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Here you have one hundred of books about this film. Your favorite website AllMovie is not the center of the world, especially if we talk about a non-English film. Ie. this is one of the most important commedia all'italiana film and here it has no review, incomplete cast and wrong date of release (see the relevant article on WP). Cavarrone (talk) 06:59, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And are those references currently on the page? I never implied Allmovie was the center of the world, I am questioning the logic behind a) deeming it unacceptable to tag an article that doesn't establish notability and b) keeping an article that doesn't explain why it should exist. LF (talk) 07:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You may be laboring under an unfortunate misunderstanding. An "article" itself does not "need" to "establish" notability, as long as a diligent search shows the "topic" as notable. PER GUIDELINE... availble sources do not NEED to be IN an article for notability to exist. What I see here is an insistance that adressable issues MUST be adressed immediately. Please understand that immediatism is not a policy nor a guideline, and insistance on such flags against Wikiepdia's understanding that it is itself an imperfect and ongoing work-in-progress.  If you did not want to actually handle improvements youself, it could have been acceptable to perhaps use the WP:CLEANUP tag    so as to encourage regular editing by others, but the blanket tagging of dozens upon dozens with unfounded notability tags, based solely upon their current state and your showing no sign of any research, is disruptive. To use your cherry-picked example of After Death... we have the 1988 Italian horror film Oltre la morte by Claudio Fragasso, fourth in a notable series by a notable filmmaker, which had a US DVD release 14 years later in 2002. While there are some English sources avalable, did you even try to look for non-English sourcing for this 24-year-old Italian film before deciding it must be non-notable simply based upon the article needing work?  The notability you question in this instance is based upon the availability of sources (some non-English)  and a commercial re-release more that 5 years after original release. THIS took only a few moments to ascertain. Again... please... STOP tagging article without actually having performed due diligence first.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 17:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * LF, as I apprecciate your work and I would be truly sorry to see you blocked or sanctioned, I would suggest you accepting our community rules, even if you disagree with them... if there are different templates for lack of sources  , for requests of additional sources    and for a supposed lack of notability   , is it so for a reason, or not? Cavarrone (talk) 18:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for your attempt to follow guidelines, but film experts concluded that provisions of WP:Naming conventions (films) are relevant to the text inside articles, but do not apply to article titles. Your move of Haute Tension was reverted. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 22:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Hi, I have reverted your changes to the references to Disintegration (The Cure album) as previously explained. There is no reason to change the reference style for the article. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:06, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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Category:1972 horror films
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Was there any discussion about doing this? There are a lot of horror film lists so that is a lot of systematic editing to start on without getting consensus first and your edit summaries don't refer to any conversation. What is the value of having both lists and categories? --Mirokado (talk) 11:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * There has been no discussion. I think lists of films by year/genre/etc. are pointless when you can simply categorise them; for one reason, it requires less editing, for another, a list of films is going to be pretty basic anyway and no advancement over categories IMO, for another, and the main reason I'm doing this, is that more specific categories break down needlessly large ones. (I think lists also have their place; you wouldn't have a category for a list of films considered the worst. I also don't think there should be categories for things that can be placed in navboxes, like albums, "films directed by", etc.) LF (talk) 11:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Well please at least use the space sort key for the lists.
 * The value of the lists is partly related to the "extra editing": there is for example (except for any items not yet dealt with, which one can recognise at a glance) a reliable source for each film saying it is a horror film.
 * So please actually check that every film for which you add the category has a reliable inline reference confirming that it is a horror film (not just the article mentioning horror without a source and not just IMDb which is not a reliable source). Are you going to maintain these categories actively? You would not believe how many nonsensical entries we have removed from the lists so experience suggests that these categories will be difficult to maintain.
 * The lists present more information in a single view than just the wikilinks in a category, so the categories would be no substitute. --Mirokado (talk) 11:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: lists presenting more information – I think that's what individual film articles are for. I also don't think articles need to reference genres if it is either plainly obvious within the article already, or, has external links to websites which can vouch for its genre, like IMDb.


 * I am aware of how it can potentially go out of control (or be un-maintained) – I recently cleaned up the slasher film category, removing laughable entries like Child's Play and its ilk. I don't see that as nearly outweighing the benefits of categories over lists though. LF (talk) 12:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


 * We probably won't completely agree about lists vs. categories or how "obvious" horror film status is! Thanks for confirming that you are aware of the potential problem of category membership. I'll check a bit when convenient and be very happy if I can't find any issues, and I'll try not to disturb you further. Happy editing. --Mirokado (talk) 12:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and something I forgot to mention is that I don't personally see a problem with having both lists AND categories – I don't mind creating the categories, and I'm not interested in removing the lists or anything like that. ;) LF (talk) 12:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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I appreciate your edits, but I've restored the article to the previous version, as they've made the accessdates and publishers in some references inconsistent, e.g. 22 August 2012 should be 2012-08-22, and "bbfc.co.uk" should just say British Board of Film Classification, as per standard citation conventions. The websites aren't the publishers themselves, you use only the publiishing company in citations, and I believe as they are cited are fine as they are. Thanks, -- Tærkast (Discuss) 11:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I was changing the websites cited in references from the 'publisher' parameter to the 'work' parameter, which is how it's supposed to be per guidelines. If you're talking about how I changed "British [...]" to "bbfc.co.uk", for example, it's because "British [...]" is the name of the company and not necessarily the name of the website. Feel free to change it back, but first please link me to the appropriate guideline page.


 * I believe "2012-08-22" is an outdated citing style and looks ugly – if that's how the date is supposed to be written then feel free to change back, but again please link to the appropriate guideline page first, because as far as I know it's not a rule.


 * Please also don't revert all the edits I made to that page just because you have a problem with one or two specifically. Lachlan Foley (talk) 19:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, if you insist on that dating style, then please change the reference and accessdates dates of all the other sources to make it consistent. As for the company issue, I put the name of the publishing companies, not the websites themselves, use of publisher is cleaner. Also, the first reference's title now doesn't make sense, it should be back to where it was. See WP:CT.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 21:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, just wanted to let you know I replied on the TCM talk page. Your reasons seem good :) I probably got a bit frustrated seeing such changes made in a small amount of time when I want to make an FA attempt in the near future.-- Tærkast (Discuss) 21:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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We have had a bad start with the stylistic division section of the Black Metal article, but besides that (if we don’t mention the removal of important parts of some footnotes), I appreciate your work. I saw you editing a lot of album, demo, EP etc. articles; thanks for that. This actually includes nominating the first two Master’s Hammer albums for deletion; I consider it absurd to doubt their notability, but it made me improve the articles, so it was worth it. --217 /83 14:18, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Lachlan Foley (talk) 21:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You’re welcome. But please have a look at the album’s artwork before moving the article like you did with 'The Jilemnice Occultist; and as this shows you don’t know the album, the first two Master’s Hammer albums a listen (or rather two or more); I don’t mean “buy them immediately”, decide for yourself whether you like the music and content (František Štorm is an Occultist who believes into neither God nor Satan, as stated in Slayer fanzine, and a track on the first album was dedicated to Anton Szandor LaVey). And if I react rather directly, it doesn’t necessarily mean I am angry like you supposed. --217 /83 10:17, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Hi. Additionally, please try to use edit summaries to explain your edits, per WP:EDITSUMMARY ("It is good practice to fill in the Edit summary field, or add to it in the case of section editing, as this helps others to understand the intention of your edit."). Thank you. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 01:42, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do not remove Template:Duration from infoboxes. Per Template:Infobox album, we use the duration template for album lengths.
 * Linking studio album seems rather unnecessary. Per WP:OVERLINK, avoid linking "everyday English words that are expected to be understood in the context" of the article.
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 * 1. I see. I am discussing the merit of this template on the Infobox album talk page if interested.
 * 4. Where does it say not to use, though? Lachlan Foley (talk) 03:58, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * MOSALBUM says "Placing a template at the bottom of the article will collect all of the inline citations that have been placed within tags.". Template:Reflist "encapsulates the tag used by the Cite.php MediaWiki extension to show the list of references as defined by tags. It adds support for a reduced font size, columns, groups and List-defined references." In other words, it does what does, and then some. True, neither page says don't use the html tag, but I think it's a good idea to use the better version of the two. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 05:01, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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Totally baffled as to how you could have added the notability tag to this article The Terrornauts, released by a notable studio, the entire cast and crew are notable. There really is no question about this films notability. Please be more cautious with your drive by tagging in the future. 71.1.250.210 (talk) 02:29, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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I noticed your switch of genre in the infobox from simply "gothic rock" to "first wave gothic rock" on Seventeen Seconds as it is on my watchlist. However, it looks as if you've made similar changes to a large number of album pages. I've neither the time nor inclination to revert any of the others, plus it might be better to come to an agreement about this before doing anything anyway. First, I'm not sure it helps to pipe a link in the way you have done. Secondly, I'm not sure there is such a definition distinction between "first" and "second" waves, or, if there is, how we would apply it in individual cases (The Cure "first", Sisters of Mercy "second", as you've suggested? On what basis?). The gothic rock page currently doesn't note any such distinction and I couldn't find any serious sources that help with either of those problems. Absent of that, this all seems to be arbitrary original research.  N-HH   talk / edits  11:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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Please stop Please do not remove categories from album redirects. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:40, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also "New Wave" is capitalized. Why would you remove the duration template? Your edits are confounding to me. Please notify me via tb if you respond here. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:42, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Lachlan, I added a request at Template talk:Duration because the nomination for deletion causes formatting issues. It would be great if you can look into this. On a side note, that does not mean I'm against deleting it; I don't mind if it goes, but it does affect all pages using this template at the moment. Thanks ;-) --Eddyspeeder (talk) 07:52, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Answer
Hi Lachlan,

Very kind of you to ask why I've had enough. You're the first to do so since I put that up there 1.5 years ago.

First, at the moment I am active on Wikipedia, but as a one-off project (since December 2012), because I felt the pages surrounding Queensrÿche were very subpar. I also do some work on the pages about Owsley (musician) and Tim Christensen, because if I don't do it, no one else will. For the rest I just tend to keep a low profile.

I feel that overall, Wikipedia suffers from a negative climate, or a little too much emphasis on unbalanced criticism. Correcting one another is fine, but if it lacks in respect/empathy and it is not balanced with compliments or other rewards for the good things you do, at some point it just becomes unpleasant. Once the "final drop" (explained on my user page) had reached the bucket, I made the decision to leave and stop editing nearly all of the pages I was maintaining, except the ones mentioned above. That was a conscious decision which I don't think I will reconsider anytime soon.

Based on my talk page, it appears to be on the mend, at least in terms of the receiving compliments. This is a good development, but to nuance it: after somebody welcomed me back and kindly helped me with a question I had regarding uploading a file that reportedly is not copyrighted, this same person went on to call other users names for their ignorance. (He immediately received at least three angry notes from moderators, it reminded me a bit of Office Space. He later was also blocked for his behavior, so I do not want to be involved with this user anymore.) So much for the friendliness...

We're all volunteers on Wikipedia, but like the proverb says: "kindness costs nothing". I try to do my part in that as well; if I see someone make good, constructive edits on the pages I have on my watchlist, I go to their talk page and thank them. A funny situation: one IP vandalized Wikipedia multiple times and I ended up giving him a final warning and ultimately having him blocked temporarily. Then the IP contributed constructively, so I was glad to compliment him. Sadly, he later continued vandalizing, but I was happy I could compliment the person for once.

A few years back, one user was trying to improve the climate and hand out "The Original Barnstar" from the perspective of "Love and kindness to everyone". I've had that Barnstar up on my user page for years. Sadly, I later learnt this person was corrected for this action, because it was "somewhat inappropriate". Way to go, killing an initiative to make people happy! For me it did exactly what the person correcting this user was referring to as the intention of the Barnstar: "to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated". For once I felt it was. It saddened me to learn later on that this action was slapped down. A clear indication to me how bad the climate actually was.

This all doesn't mean I'm opposed to discussions, nor does it mean that I think people can't disagree with one another. On the contrary: I think having people with opposing views help pages become more neutral and more carefully phrased. For example, on Talk:Queensrÿche I've had several discussions, mainly with Friginator who also contributes a lot. We don't always agree on something, but we're respectful to one another and discuss issues constructively to reach the best solution.

Wow, this turned out to be kind of a long story, but I thought I should at least nuance some points and provide arguments or examples for others. I hope this answers your question; if not, don't hesitate to ask ;-) --Eddyspeeder (talk) 09:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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I closed these discussions as renames. Would you like to nominate Category:New Wave music and all its subcategories for speedy renaming?--Mike Selinker (talk) 23:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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