User talk:Lades2222

Renaming of the Visa requirements for German citizens and Visa requirements for French citizens articles
Dear Lades2222, I opened a move discussion here, because I think that new names for those articles may be appropriate as they now include non-visa travel requirements like vaccination requirements, passport requirements and entry bans as well as biometrics. I am coming to you, as a respected editor of visa requirements articles, and I would like to have your opionin about it. Do you think this move is appropriate? And, if yes, how should to articles be renamed? You can answer on the move discussion page. Thank you in advance, Thearones (talk) 10:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, of course it's good to discuss here.
 * Mm.. for now.. I won't be making any major changes to Germany and France.
 * I think I'll just fix small phrases and spacing for the time being.
 * And thank you for complimenting me. Lades2222 (talk) 11:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * [Visa requirements map]
 * I looked at the wording in this section.
 * I know you put a lot of effort into these areas, but... the map guidance and links are lengthy.
 * "Map of jurisdictions by visa requirement for French citizens holding ordinary passports and traveling by air."
 * --> I think it's better to leave out "by air" here.
 * When including this phrase, we have to add "by land" or "by ship" etc.
 * If that happens, we might have to re-examine the whole "visa required" section. This is complicated.
 * It is better to think of visa requirements as a whole, leaving out "by air."
 * And eTA, esta, e-voa, ease... I don't think there is a need to list the many types one by one.
 * In fact... ease, esta, eTA, etc. are offshoots of ETA, and e-voa, etc. can actually be classified as e-visa.
 * Moreover, "tourist card required in advance" is... hmm...!
 * For everyone's readability, we need to organize only the essentials.
 * I hope you express it a little more simply. Lades2222 (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear Lades2222,
 * I agree with you that the title and legend are too long and complicated. However I think that it is necessary to include somewhere that, for example, the cuban tourist card (which must be obtained prior to arrival) is shown as "visa on arrival" and that some ETAs are shown as "visa not required" and other as "eVisa", standards that the non-specialist reader may not be aware of. I will move all those special cases and exceptions to inline notes in order to lighten to legend while keeping the map accurate. Thearones (talk) 07:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's good idea. i agree. Lades2222 (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your ideas are so exquisite that they encompass all our intentions.
 * I salute you for this idea. Lades2222 (talk) 08:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Dear Lades2222,
 * Thank you for your answer. It seems that the consensus currently is not to rename the articles and it most likely makes sense to keep them consistent with all other "Visa requirements" articles. Thearones (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Update some maps with color in visa requirements article
@Lades2222 Hi, I am from Albania and I have seen than you edit some articles about visa requirements and visa policy. I have seen that you last edited Visa requirements for Albanian citizens and I want to ask you can you update Russia in light green and Sudan in light yellow in Visa requirements for Albanian citizens map as Russia requires an eVisa for Albanian citizens while Sudan requires a travel permit which is mentioned in yellow in the visa requirements sections. Today, Sudan was mentioned as "travel permit required" in yellow in Visa requirements countries for Albanian citizens, but I don't know why it was again changed as "visa required". Please make these updates on this map. Thanks Jonipiri (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. I have read your request well. However I can't resolve it.
 * Russia has designated 55 countries eligible for e-visas, and 'unfortunately' Albania is not included in this list.
 * https://electronic-visa.kdmid.ru/country_en.html
 * http://static.government.ru/media/files/c0ZDX0WaURdyvOidgFYSU5oDg61UC7QB.pdf
 * And in Sudan there is no basis for exemption.
 * (although I don't trust this) According to information according to IATA:
 * The information is that a 'visa on arrival' is granted 'if father is from Sudan' or a 'visa (not visa on arrival)' is granted when an application for permission is made to the Sudanese government and it is granted.
 * Therefore, i express regret that we are unable to resolve your request at the time. Lades2222 (talk) 21:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lades2222 Hi again. I have read the articles for Russia which grants eVisa to the specific countries and I was informed at the moment it doesn't grants eVisa for Albanian citizens, however for Sudan, it grants a travel permit since it has listed some specific countries, based on the same religion and culture, to be able to travel to this country for a short period. In this case, Albania must obtain a travel permit to travel to Sudan. (yesterday this option was updated on Visa requirements for Albanian citizens as "travel permit required" but it was again changed to "visa required". You also told that you don't trust that Sudan has no basis for exemption. So please update Sudan in light yellow to this map. Thanks. Jonipiri (talk) 05:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In the case of Sudan, we need as much accurate information about it as possible.
 * That is, please send me a link to information that a Sudanese government agency has created such a list, etc. Thank you. Lades2222 (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lades2222 Hi, I didn't found a link to an accurate information from a government website or agency, however I found a link to a website who issues eVisa for Albanian citizens to travel to Sudan: https://mustafa98.co/en/albania-visa-from-sudan/
 * Note that in this link the content explained there isn't written very much correctly, but it lets know that an eVisa or a travel permit is required for Albanian citizens to travel to Sudan. So please update the country with color in the Visa requirements map and also change to eVisa to the Visa requirements countries. Thanks Jonipiri (talk) 07:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This is Albania's visa method for Sudanese people to go to Albania.
 * In other words, this is not a visa for Albanians to go to Sudan. Lades2222 (talk) 08:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lades2222 Hi, I found another information that Niger issues eVisa for Albanian citizens as per this article: https://apply.joinsherpa.com/products?destinations=NER&passport=ALB&language=en-US&affiliateId=sherpa so please update at least Niger in light green in Visa requirements map for Albanian citizens for now. Thanks Jonipiri (talk) 18:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, This site is not official.
 * And that site says you need a "visa from the embassy" to go to Niger.
 * Sorry, but now i can't keep acceding to your demands.
 * I'll finish the our discussion here.
 * Thanks. Lades2222 (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Update Libya in green color in Visa requirements map for Albanian citizens
@Lades2222 Hi, since you mentioned that Libya requires an eVisa for Albanian citizens, can you update Libya in green color in Visa requirements map for Albanian citizens? Thanks Jonipiri (talk) 07:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, changes to the map will be made after next few days. Thank you. Lades2222 (talk) 07:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Visa policy of Albania
Hi Lades2222 Could You look at Visa policy of Albania? The last changed of me and user Brizton. Jankwi (talk) 05:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, I read your message and updated the Albania visa policy. Thank you. Lades2222 (talk) 06:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Visa policy of Albania
Hi Lades2222 Thank You very much! Jankwi (talk) 06:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Update Algeria in the Visa policy map of New Zealand
@Lades2222 Hi Lades2222! Please can you update Algeria in green or light green in the Visa policy map of New Zealand as per visa requirements for Algerian citizens: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Algerian_citizens, New Zealand is shown in blue on the map which means Algerian citizens need an electronic travel authorization to travel to New Zealand and there is also mentioned New Zealand as "e-Visa" requirement opion for Algerian citizens. Thanks Jonipiri (talk) 16:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I already did that, but he destroyed my work.... from an Algerian citizens Bourenane Chahine (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Update Ethiopia in the Visa policy map of Australia
@Lades2222 Hi Lades2222! Please can you update Ethiopia in light green in the Visa policy map of Australia as per visa requirements for Ethiopian citizens: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_Ethiopian_citizens, Australia is shown in light green on the map which means Ethiopian citizens need an electronic travel authorization to travel to Australia and there is also mentioned Australia as "e-Visa" requirement opion for Ethiopian citizens. Thanks Jonipiri (talk) 10:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024
Hi Lades2222! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Visa requirements for Turkish citizens several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree&#32;at, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. – DreamRimmer (talk) 16:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @DreamRimmer I'm editing for testing purposes. Lionel Cristiano? 16:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. My heart is tired because of the random person. Lades2222 (talk) 16:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lionel Cristiano, please don't do that; you both have already violated the three-revert rule. However, I am assuming good faith. Please note that being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. If you want to test, please use your sandbox. – DreamRimmer (talk) 16:23, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Add a Visa policy map of Algeria for the countries which have visa free access and visa on arrival access for Diplomatic and Official passports
@Lades2222 Hi Lades2222! I have a proposal. Can you add a Visa policy map of Algeria to the Visa policy of Algeria page, for the countries which have visa free access and visa on arrival access for Diplomatic and Official passports. Thanks Ggrudea96 (talk) 07:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, do you mean citizens who can come to Algeria visa-free with diplomatic or official passports?
 * If so, I understand there is already a map on WIKI's 'Visa_policy_of_Algeria' page. :) Lades2222 (talk) 08:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lades2222 Yes, I saw there's a map on this page. However can you add a map for citizens who hold diplomatic and official passports who travel without visa to Sudan and Yemen. Thanks Ggrudea96 (talk) 08:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't have any information about Sudan and Yemen yet. I'll plan it when I get enough information. Lades2222 (talk) 08:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * First at all.. let's examine your data. I don't know when the actual map will be made. Because I am busy with my daily life.
 * And.. when adding a map, please note that the map for diplomatic or official passport holders will only include 'visa-free' and will not include visa on arrival. Thanks. Lades2222 (talk) 08:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lades2222 Sudan allows visa free access for diplomatic and official passports of these countries:

Diplomatic or official/service/special passports:


 * Algeria
 * China
 * Brazil
 * Congo
 * Ethiopia
 * Iran
 * Namibia
 * Russia (diplomatic only)
 * Turkey
 * Vietnam

And also holders of diplomatic or special passports of the following countries can obtain a visa on arrival valid for 2 months:


 * Benin
 * Burkina Faso
 * Central African Republic
 * Comoros
 * Cote d'Ivoire
 * Djibouti
 * Eritrea
 * Gambia
 * Ghana
 * Guinea
 * Guinea-Bissau
 * Liberia
 * Libya
 * Mali
 * Mauritania
 * Morocco
 * Niger
 * Nigeria
 * São Tomé and Príncipe
 * Senegal
 * Sierra Leone
 * Somalia
 * Togo

Yemen allows visa on arrival access for diplomatic and official passports of these countries:


 * Cuba
 * Czech Republic
 * Djibouti
 * Ethiopia
 * Hungary
 * Lebanon
 * Mauritania
 * Morocco
 * Pakistan
 * Turkey

So please add Visa policy maps for holders of diplomatic and official passports who travel without visa or visa on arrival to Sudan and Yemen.

Thanks Ggrudea96 (talk) 08:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Visa Policy Of Peru
Hi, I would like to express my appreciation and thank you for your understanding on the reasons for my edits there and it is justified. Also, for a while I did not know how to hide the text until April 20 when it takes effect but you have solved my problems. Like to thank you once more for your hard work and help on issue. TaipeiTaiwan2020 (talk) 09:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Visa requirements for Croatian citizens map update
@Lades2222 Hi Lades2222, Could you please update Namibia and American Samoa on the map for Visa requirements for Croatian citizens. Thank you. Vuk47 (talk) 14:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, i checked it. However, the map is scheduled to change in the next few days. Lades2222 (talk) 14:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for uploading the map, but American Samoa should have the "Visa not required" color. This is not an eVisa, it is an electronic authorization called "OK Board", and if arriving by boat, no authorization is needed at all. Thank you.
 * Could you please tell me how the map is going to change in the next days? thanks. Vuk47 (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll think about that later. I don't judge 'ok board' to mean 'visa not required' and even if 'ok board' is green, to change it I would have to change the colors of all the other countries. It's hard for me now. I'll postpone it until later. Lades2222 (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Why would you need to change the colors of all other countries? All ESTA/ETA countries have the same green color as all "Visa not required" countries. You just have to update American Samoa's color to look like all other ESTA/ETA and Visa not required countries. Vuk47 (talk) 11:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If change the color of Samoa, we will have to change the color of Samoa on all maps of countries that can travel to the US without a visa. (Europe, Japan, etc.) Currently, other countries also have the same color as Samoa.
 * If so, I should take the opportunity and work on them all at once. I cannot afford to accept all individual opinions. I'm sorry, but I hope you don't make too many 'requests' from me. Lades2222 (talk) 12:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Bourenane Chahine
Since you appeal so much... let's give it a try. Lastly, We will conclude our conversation after changing Egypt. Lades2222 (talk) 22:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I am more satisfied now. Bourenane Chahine (talk) 23:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * i still didn't see Egypt being colored...i will wait for tomorrow then.
 * Also consider writing that Kazakhstan only give e-visa under strict and special circumstance for us Algerian citizens, not everybody can apply for it like they would do for Qatar or Colombia, you need an invitation for the kazakh side and enter from a specific aéroport, and lastly Australia and NZ should be in normal bleu.
 * By the way i wanted to add that we can obtain an e visa for Azerbaijan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Azerbaijan
 * https://evisa.gov.az/en/countries Bourenane Chahine (talk) 23:10, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I will no longer accommodate your requests. I am not your subordinate. Lades2222 (talk) 23:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fine by me, Will you delete my map if i update it again and publish it on Wikipedia ? Bourenane Chahine (talk) 19:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I hope that you don't think of yourself as a professional, you map is lacking details i will keep removing it from Wikipedia then.
 * an accurate map must be presented for us Algerian citizens that visit that page. Bourenane Chahine (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I will keep deleting your map until the end of the time inch Allah Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I will delete it today ,tomorrow, after tomorrow until the best map is on Wikipedia, It's MY COUNTRY, it's OUR INETERST! i will fight for them! Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If you want to edit the map, do so through the svg file. Lades2222 (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok. Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * And you seem to be delusional. I will also continue to protect the map I created. Lades2222 (talk) 21:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to edit a SVG map, i will watch a video.
 * i will keep deleting you map daily Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * However, regardless of the map, please do not use personal attacks or abusive language. This is a serious WIKIPEDIA violation. Lades2222 (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Then why are you posting insult on my page ? please regardless of the map, please de not use personal attacks or abusive language. This is a serious WIKIPEDIA violation 0: Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * How can you be that hypocritical lol that laughable Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You made the insulting personal attack. Lades2222 (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Didn't you do the same multiple times ? Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's the same for you too.
 * But you did the swearing and personal attacks. Lades2222 (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * yeah doesn't that make you equally as bad ? and broke WIKIPEDIA rules multiple times ? Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * you deserve EVERY swear that i used against you No9ch Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You are a very strange person. You need treatment. Lades2222 (talk) 21:38, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You are a very strange person. You need treatment. Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * aren't you delusional yourself for editing my page then lol ?
 * hypocrite Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Visa requirement for Algerian citizens 24 April 2024.png
 * feel free to turn in into a SVG file, when i do it all the colors turn black. Bourenane Chahine (talk) 21:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making personal attacks towards other editors. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Ponyo bons mots 22:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Undeclared account is also now blocked.--  Ponyo bons mots 22:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I accept.
Yesterday's IP account usage was used to question the administrator. I will not use IP in the future. And since this leaves a misleading impression of 'avoidance', I will accept it and wait for 6 months. Can I apply for “unblocking” again after 6 months? Lades2222 (talk) 00:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Please don't make an unblock request unless you are requesting to be unblocked. Yes, you may make a new request in six months. 331dot (talk) 00:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I humbly accept my mistakes and punishment. I will come back in 6 months. Lades2222 (talk) 00:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lades2222, Wikipedia is not a lawful authoritarian judiciary, so editing restrictions aren't imposed for "punishment" per se, but to safeguard the Wiki from the continuation of policy violation, and in some cases allowing the involved parties to rejuvenate or rehabilitate and adjust themselves during the blocking period, understanding their mistakes. I wish you a good return. X (talk) 07:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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I'm saddened to hear that you (in a tragic twist of fate) have found yourself being struck by the ban hammer. I know that we have had disagreements in the past over visa policy articles, but I always thought you meant well, and your edits helped greatly in maintaining the visa policy pages. Take this time off to cool off - I think having to deal with various spammers has taken its toll on you and your health, and it does seem like you need a long Wikibreak to reflect, cool off and calm down. Until we meet again... JaventheAldericky (talk) 17:45, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


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 * Thank you very much. Although we have had occasional differences of opinion, I also know that your contribution is very significant.
 * This blocking happened because I reported it myself. I think I've been overheated by editing the visa policy. I will take a break.
 * And if possible, it would be nice if you could update all countries' visa policies on my behalf.
 * I was tired from many battles with other spammers. I believe you will create good pages.
 * I will treasure the ‘Dove of Peace’ you sent me.
 * Adios..! Lades2222 (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)