User talk:LadyofShalott/Archive 16

Primary (Elementary) Schools - copy of message on my talk page
Thanks for the interesting reply, as all non-High School have been automatically declined notability on here for some time. Primary (Elementary) schools with fully researched and referenced articles, including participation in national research have been speedy deleted again and again. I'm glad that this has changed, but could you let me know where the consensus to retain is recorded so that I can refer to it in future cases. If you can delete this and reply on my wall I'd like to know where the backing is so that I can restore some of the lost content. DiverScout (talk) 14:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * replied there Lady  of  Shalott  15:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Help with history split
Hi, Can you take a look at this and help me out with the history split back to the redirect. thanks. Crazynast 01:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC) Does some other admin know what to do with this? I don't. Can we split histories? If so, how? (I hope my using the adminhelp template isn't too silly.) Lady  of  Shalott  02:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * So I think this is what we want... I'm not sure though. Crazynast 02:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think you have hit it exactly, and that makes some sense. Still, I haven't done one before so, while I'm removing the adminhelp template, I'm going to leave it tonight for some TPS. If it hasn't been done before tomorrow evening by someone familiar with doing histsplits, I'll see if I can do it. Lady  of  Shalott  02:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like Anthony Appleyard has it sorted. Is that correct? Lady  of  Shalott  23:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Just curious... (question for TPS and anyone who happens along here)
Do you sometimes start to reply to a discussion/argument somewhere on Wikipedia only to think, "nevermind... not worth it"? (I do, and I'm wondering about the overall effect of such decisions here both in general and whether/how it plays into the WP gendergap.) Thoughts, anyone? (Don't let this be a place where the "nevermind" takes over, please.) Lady  of  Shalott  12:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I generally just avoid all such meaningless discussions on WP:DRAMAVILLE that would make me say that simply because it isn't worth my time. I could be whacking vandals, writing new content, copyediting, or even history merges, anything is better than most of the drama that goes on over there. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I ... oh, never mind. :lol: Malleus Fatuorum 14:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really have an opinion about walking away from discussions (never been that involved in one) but I was curious what you meant by the gendergap? Crazynast 15:51, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Various pieces of data (with differing methodologies) say that somewhere between 8 and 13% of Wikipedians are female. Lady  of  Shalott  20:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Claim to be female, not quite the same thing. Malleus Fatuorum 20:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Your point is well taken. Lady  of  Shalott  21:16, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Part of my point was that many females might understandably prefer not to reveal their gender, for fear of attracting ... well ... you know. Malleus Fatuorum 21:19, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, which means the exact size of the gap is hard to measure accurately. While it's possible that the ratio is 50/50, I think it is unlikely that the apparent gap would be as extreme as it seems. Maybe it's closer to 70/30 M/F (???)... but it seems likely that there is a real gap. Lady  of  Shalott  21:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there's almost certainly a gap, several probably, but I don't believe it's as extreme as being portrayed, and neither do I believe that it's the same across all age groups or interest areas. From my own experience I'd say that I encounter almost as many female editors as male. I think Wikipedia has some growing-up to do if it wants to survive. Malleus Fatuorum 21:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sure you're right that the gendergap probably varies greatly amongst age ranges and interests - and that is a good point that the variance needs to be teased apart. Speaking of growing up are you meaning literally, as in having more older editors, figuratively in terms of attitudes, or both? Lady  of  Shalott  22:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant chronological age. I have absolutely no idea how the idea that pre-teens are allowed to accuse contributors of "ageism" whenever they're opposed at RfA, for instance, took hold. And are supported in that attitude by a sitting arbitrator. Malleus Fatuorum 22:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with you. While on a site that operates essentially anonymously as this does, I have some sympathy to just paying attention to how people behave rather than self-admitted age, it is not unreasonable that there could be some minimum standards set for certain arenas. I'm being deliberately somewhat vague here as I think about just where and what I'd want those minima to be. Lady  of  Shalott  22:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatever they might be, it's clearly ludicrous that Wikipedia has been allowed to be run by children for so long; now it's paying the price. Malleus Fatuorum 22:51, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you know of any statistics that speak to this point? Just what is the median age for administrators, for example? (Was that in that most recent survey they did - in which I admit I didn't participate)?) Lady  of  Shalott  22:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I will leave it to you explain why Wikipedia has no idea who its administrators are. Malleus Fatuorum 23:16, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I can't do that. For a while, I was a moderator on a particular web forum. It was a volunteer position, but I had to fax in my signed agreement to certain terms and information about my identity. I'm not sure why WP has chosen not to go that route for admins and bureaucrats. I'd not object to something similar if it were enacted here. Lady  of  Shalott  23:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * To put it more bluntly, it hardly makes sense to invite university professors to encourage their students to contribute to Wikipedia when those contributions will be filtered through the eye of a 12-year-old administrator, of whichever gender. Malleus Fatuorum 22:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a very good point. If someone starts a stub on an academic topic that is far beyond what that 12-year-old could be expected to have been exposed to, and that person is making a speedy deletion decision, there is the potential for problems there. I know that (and I can not say if age were a factor at all) I've declined requested deletions because I could see the inherent notability of a subject where the article just needed work, but the nominator could not/did not see it. Lady  of  Shalott  22:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * We have a 12 y.o. admin? - Sitush (talk) 22:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Several. Or at least those who became admins when they were 12. Malleus Fatuorum 23:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, I am well above that. Lady  of  Shalott  23:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not wanting to appear lacking in chivalry etc, but I rather thought that to be the case, LoS. Now, how many of those current/past 12 year old admins were female? No, don't answer that. I find the fact that they exist at all (12 y.o. admins, not females) rather odd; I shall sleep on it. - Sitush (talk) 23:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe I should have put the winking smiley after that comment. I almost did; it would have made it clearer that I was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I doubt anyone here thinks I'm a kid. Lady  of  Shalott  23:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I got it. I have a rather dry sense of humour. - Sitush (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your help
Oh, your talk page looks so pretty I don't know where I can post a comment without ruining it! I hope this is the right place for them. If not, feel free to move it.

I just wanted to thank you for your help with the Hylesia nigricans article. I'm having trouble finding English references, and I have found no photos on Commons either, but I guess it can still be moved to mainstream as it is. If I see a larva again and I have a camera at hand, I'll take a picture of it and add it to the page. I'm just unsure about how to use the translated page template. Or was that what you did for me? In which case I must help you for that too. GabiAPF (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and, no, I have not added the translated template, but I'd be glad to do so. Lady  of  Shalott  15:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, now I've added the translated page template; you can see it on the article talk page. BTW, thanks for the comment about my page, and, yes, you added this section correctly to it. :) Lady  of  Shalott  16:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. :) GabiAPF (talk) 19:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome again. There are some nice pictures at, but I have no idea whether images on an Argentinian government site can be assumed to be public domain. I've put in a question about that on Moonriddengirl's talk page, and I'm sure she or one of her talk page stalkers will be able to tell us. Lady  of  Shalott  23:46, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Zorya and Neil Gaiman
Regarding the claim that Gaiman said he created the third Zorya (Polunochnaya): this is something Gaiman said in a live interview at the Saban Theater in LA (involving Patton Oswalt). An attendee filmed it and released their film on YouTube (in several parts); I've added the two relevant parts as citations, in the hope they satisfy.

Regards, 88.104.47.107 (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your note. Do you know if a transcript exists of the interview? That would be preferable to the Youtube videos (which may violate copyright, and which we tend to discourage even if not in copyright violation). Lady  of  Shalott  22:25, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
ww2censor (talk) 03:58, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Source query
Since my regular contact for viewing limited view copyright sources in the US is currently on the road beach, I wonder if you could do me a favour? Series 5, Vol. 12 from here is "limited search" here in the UK. I am seeking the content around p. 456. Is it even visible to those on your side of the pond? It includes some comment about bull-baiting in Rochdale, according to a citation I have found elsewhere. I know of one thing beginning with "bull" that might still be associated with Rochdale, but it does not end in "baiting". - Sitush (talk) 17:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Since the relevant portion is very brief, I'll copy it here:

The last bull-baiting in Rochdale (Lancashire) took place in 1819, when seven people were killed in consequence of the falling in of the river wall. The baiting was performed in the bed of the shallow river (the Roche) in the center of town. H. Fishwick, F.S.A.
 * Lady of  Shalott  21:55, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Brilliant, thank you very much. I had hoped for something a little more, um, meaty but it will do the trick in any event. I've started reading around on Madras library matters, btw. - Sitush (talk) 22:03, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Very good. I have the Madras Library Act page watchlisted, but let me know when it's time to go to work on it. Lady  of  Shalott  22:11, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
...for moving the talk-page stuff I'd accidentally put in mainspace. There was something screwy about the signature of the editor to whom I was writing, and when I clicked on the signature it took me there; since the editor's account was new, I didn't notice that I wasn't on a talk page. I've left a note about the problem for that editor. Ammodramus (talk) 03:11, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I hope the other editor is responsive about the issue so the same thing doesn't happen repeatedly. Lady  of  Shalott  03:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

TWSS
. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Only you could turn that into a "TWSS". hah Lady  of  Shalott  21:28, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I doubt that. Also, I think that a good reading of Glas will probably make one look at punctuation and typography in ways not thought possible before. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Frankly Lady, I think that statement left you pretty well open. --kelapstick(bainuu) 00:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, fine, I concede. Lady  of  Shalott  01:28, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, did I tell you all what I want for my birthday? This. You know, maybe just one of them. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be one heck of a commute to work everyday. Lady  of  Shalott  01:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Please explain this to me
I was attacked by sockpuppets, but the admin that replied to my post said that he wouldn't take action unless I posted all of the diffs. There was so many diffs that it would've been the size of a start class article or more and much of the evidence was on my talk page. When I nominated a bunch of non-notable software articles for deletion, I was reported to ANI and received personal attacks from regular editors there. They stopped only because they decided to stop and no admin did anything towards them. A member repeatedly insulted me in AFDs about television schedules, I was brought to ANI and the conclusion of the admins and regular editors was pretty much that I was in the wrong despite me not using any personal attacks. I pointed multiple people who repeatedly attacked me to WP:DICK. I was brought to ANI again and multiple editors found me in the wrong. Do some admins play favorites? Am I really allowed to tell disruptive editors and vandals to fuck off or say any personal attack I want towards them? Joe Chill (talk) 04:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with any of the cases you mention except the most recent one. I don't recommend telling people to f off. There are circumstances where nothing much will come of it - as here nothing is happening to either MF or the person who told him to f off. (You? Someone else? I really don't remember, and don't need to know now.) I'll be glad to comment on the other cases if you can point to the discussions about them. I'm particularly curious about the sockpuppet attacks - that sounds rather odd for you to have gotten that response. (This may sound like another non-response, but it is in fact a request for more information before I am able to give a real response.) Lady  of  Shalott  04:34, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The end result of the sockpuppet fiasco started here on my old account (I created Joe Chill to protect myself against other members like that a while after this incident that weren't just sockpuppets, members were against that also) - User:Imnotacoolguy section from an admin with "Look, you can take this as constructive criticism or just ignore it. I honestly don't care. User:Imnotacoolguy should have been blocked and would have been. My issue is your lack of communication. Instead of thinking he is part of a larger conspiracy to mess with you, why not follow Occam's razor and consider that it was a single jerk mad at you for pissing him off on his article? From there, he went on a fun WP:POINT AFD mess. If you had come to WP:ANI with "at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruet Caelum, I commented on his band and he's been doing pointy AFDs in response", that would have been a warning and then a block if he continued. Instead, it was "This user has been being constantly bitey to me about my articles" (that's not for WP:ANI), please block him, with a link to a denied checkuser report. From there, I ask for a simple explanation as I'm not reviewing the report again. (Note: if you want people to help you, do better than provide diffs like this. I'm not reading those walls of text to figure out what's going on). From there, I notified him, per WP:ANI policy, you told him you were removing the discussion and instead you continued onward. Was your goal to avoid him or me? Either way, he's stopped and moved on. I would suggest letting it go. You want people to help, act like you want their help. Nobody's gaining anything from reviewing piles of diffs and trying to solve what's going on." I had a lot of trouble with Michig and horrible admin responses. I'm not good at linking to such old edits. Joe Chill (talk) 05:01, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * This is an awful comment from Edison carried on from the Michig incident - "Ah. yes. you previous history as an editor of a different username who likes to refer to "poop," per your User page [1]. Edison (talk) 03:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)" I added a section about the injustices that I faced including a member (an admin) saying that I was sexually attracted to feces. Joe Chill (talk) 05:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I know what all this is about still. If someone said you had a sexual attraction to feces, that was indeed highly inappropriate. I am not seeing that in what you've quoted above. As for the previous long quote, all I can really tell is that there was some frustration with the evidence you had presented. Lady  of  Shalott  12:51, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Started Madras PLA
I have fettled James Tod as far as I can and it is now in the hands of GAN, so I am moving on to Madras Public Libraries Act while still fiddling with other articles. So far, I've just "topped and tailed" it with a bit of background and a bit of post-Act national stuff to provide context. I'll fill in the awkward in-between bit over the next few days. Tod took me a month, on and off, but I think that this will be somewhat easier.

I probably should use Indian English but I am afraid that people will have to make do with English English, like wot I speak. - Sitush (talk) 03:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I see that you have! I'll be following it, and try to help out where I see a need. I don't even know how Indian English differs from BritishE. save that much (not all!) of it that I've seen on here just seems like bad English . Lady  of  Shalott  03:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Indian English tends to be somewhat archaic and often loses the "the". Phrases such as "he bagged election" for "he won the election" are pretty standard even in upmarket newspapers such as The Hindu or The Times of India. Similarly, their manners of address often demonstrate a colonial charm. You must have seen this on talk pages, eg: "Dear Sir, I beg to inquire why thou has deleted my article about XYZ, you bastard." I am generalising, of course, and there are plenty of contributors with an absolutely stunning command of the present forms of usage (& plenty of UK/US English speakers without it!). Since English and Gibberish are my only two, and some of these people have managed both of those + translated several other languages for me, I am in awe. - Sitush (talk) 04:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I've been on the receiving end of more than one "dear sir". I wasn't aware of the article dropping, and must admit that if I saw that, I'd probably "correct" it. Lady  of  Shalott  04:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. It is pretty poor and the focus is as much on other areas as on Madras. There is not a lot I can do about that because the sources simply are not there. Or, rather, if they exist then they are not available to me. The entire subject is more than a little vague & there isn't a decent hook to hang stuff off. I didn't realise that libraries could be so boring until I started reading up about this. - Sitush (talk) 21:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at it. It's the kind of thing I need to be able to focus on, which I can't at the moment, but I'll devote some time to it later tonight. Lady  of  Shalott  21:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Stub categories
While it's true that an article having a stub category on it isn't entirely the same thing as being truly uncategorized, an article also has to have real content categories on it — even though they tend to stay around longer than intended, stub templates are really only temporary maintenance categories which are meant to be removed from the article eventually. There is actually an alternative template, uncategorized stub, which is more appropriate for stub articles than catimprove is — for one thing, the catimprove queue just doesn't get dealt with properly and is still backlogged all the way to January even while the uncats queue is up to date — but it's not actually considered wrong to tag an article as "uncategorized" even if there's a stub template on it; the "uncategorized stub" tag is just preferred.

But the problem is that when I'm doing a batch tagging job, working from a list autogenerated by the untagged uncategorized articles toolserver, AWB isn't any good at doing the kind of editing where you have to change the tag back and forth from one article to the next — there's no way to have it apply uncategorized to some articles and uncategorized stub to others within the same batch, and there's no way to separate the two classes of articles into separate batches in advance. Bearcat (talk) 19:17, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, ok, thanks for the explanation. It's too bad AWB isn't better about handling things like that... but since I lack the ability to try to improve it, who am I to complain? :/ Lady  of  Shalott  19:26, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

A recent page you marked "patrolled" (Pakistani Atheists & Agnostics)
I believe that this page should be deleted either as db-spam or db-club. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 12:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * One reason being that a club having only 450+200= ~650 members? I don't think its notable enough to have an article at Wiki. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree its notability is questionable, but I think there is enough claimed with the sources that it surpasses A7 (club), and I just don't think it fits with spam. I've no objection to a prod though. Lady  of  Shalott  12:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe we should prod it as no notability is estabilished per WP:ORG or WP:NGO. What say? Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 16:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Go for it, and see what happens. Lady  of  Shalott  17:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been contested. AfD would be the next step, if you want to pursue it. Lady  of  Shalott  23:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Claes-Goran Granqvist wiki page
You undid my deletion of the need for citations note. Can you point out particularly where do you need more citations? Thanks.Rubmum (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, pretty much his entire biography section is uncited. You have cited that his work has been cited, but essentially nothing about his life has a reference. Lady  of  Shalott  12:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me also point out WP:OVERLINKING. You have Chalmers Inst. of Tech. wikilinked three times in the space of about five or six lines. Only the first of those links should remain. Lady  of  Shalott  12:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment about overlinking, I will remove that. Concerning the rest: The most I could do was to give a link to his CV from 2006. There is no newer one on the web. Also, I found his Swedish page at the Royal Academic of Science and now there is a link. Can't do anymore. Certifications of awards or carrier steps are not typically up on the web (except Nobel Prizes), and most people have only links to their CVs or not even that. I can do one more thing; I found his Swedish wiki page, which is in Swedish and extremely brief. I can link that, too but not much use due to the language. Please advise, thanks. Rubmum (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC).
 * OK, a link to his CV will help, but it's not really sufficient. What we need are reliable, secondary sources. They do not all have to be online. If you can cite, for instance where XYZ Journal listed that he won ABC Award, it would be just fine if that's a print-only reference. His CV is not considered a reliable source for his awards though because anyone could claim to have won a myriad of awards. (I am not implying that he's lieing, just trying to explain why the CV is not an acceptable source for that sort of information.) You can cite his personal CV/bio for simple details like where and when he was born. Lady  of  Shalott  13:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I see. But if he would have a CV at the official web page of the institute he directs; that should have count, I guess. But he does not have. I found and added the required citation to his PhD and link to his Swedish wiki site. I can't do anymore and I do not see other scientists have more either. Awards and editorships are just listed all over wiki without links and he should not discriminated. BTW: are you Swedish? Thanks, Rubmum (talk) 13:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * There are indeed lots of other articles that need significant improvement. I see that you added a link regarding his Ph.D. What you need to do now is add near the bottom, but above the External links section, and References section with the sole content being this: . Then instead of having text linked to external websites, take the URL and enclose it in tags after the relevant text like this:
 * Here's a sentence I want to cite.
 * Like that you will create footnotes for the article. Lady  of  Shalott  13:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rubmum (talk) 13:37, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Oh, no I am not Swedish. Lady  of  Shalott  13:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, thanks, Rubmum (talk) 10:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks - that's better. Now, I notice you used his CV to cite that he is a "leading scientist..." His CV can not be used to cite that; that is something that must come from a secondary source. The other thing with the references: they should be outside the punctuation. If you are putting it at the end of the sentence, for example, the reference should come after the period. Lady  of  Shalott  12:03, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the cleanup. It is good that you left "leading scientist" in the text because that is proven by his books, papers and citations. He has 1000+ citation for his first paper and many good scientists have that citation number for all their papers added up. The h-index of 54 is also very good; many full professors have only 10-20 in the engineering field where he works.Rubmum (talk) 14:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Concerning your question, "where is that he is head" I added the relevant Swedish page. Also, at the "various fields" I added, "see his selected papers and books below". Those are proof for anybody who knows what the listed fields mean. I have a question: how to make "wiki alias" how is that called? I mean, an empty wiki page entitled "Claes-Goran Granqvist", which redirects to the page "Claes-Göran Granqvist"? Under what category should I search in wiki-help to be able to make such a link? Thanks, Rubmum (talk) 21:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The term you want is simply "redirect". The specific one you want I've already created. (Look at the section header for this section; notice the link there.) The way you can create one is to put in the search field the name you want as a redirect (Claes-Goran Granqvist) and when you get a page saying, "you may create the page [redlinked name you entered]", click the redlick. Enter in as the only text the following: " #REDIRECT Claes-Göran Granqvist " (without the quotation marks). Lady  of  Shalott  21:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Try to find some more independent sources. Notice that I list a listing of SPIE fellows and added it as a reference. Lady  of  Shalott  21:52, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If you format ISBNs as ISBN 1234567890 (ISBN-space-number), you get a nice link that people can

click to find options for borrowing or purchasing the book. Lady of  Shalott  21:52, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the help, redirect, SPIE, ISBN etc!  I am realizing that a lot of the required references are already in the page, such as, link to his page at the academy site, the listed books, the selected papers. Thus, I should reformat the page by putting all these into the References section and cite them. Note: there is a notification at the top: "This article relies on references to primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject, rather than references from independent authors and third-party publications.". This is not true because now there are many independent references: your SPIE link; his page at the academy; his PhD at Chalmers linked; and most of all, the Science Citation index, which is the real thing to establish notability. Those citation numbers are from me; I myself found them in Science Citation Index. Wikipedia says that a scientists with more than 10 citations can already be notable, and he has more than 14,000. Thus the note should only say: "some of the claims rely on primary sources" because the most important ones are very well referenced, even though with not the best format, not in the reference section, but within the page. Most scientist are less well referenced in wiki and they have no notes at all at the top. Rubmum (talk) 07:47, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Off2riorob - 3 Reverts
Hi, thanks for adding that stuff to my talk page, it's been really helpful.

I'm not sure what the protocol is but User:Off2riorob has made 3 reverts in quick succession to the Luke Evans page against the consensus of the talk page. I was wondering if you could help. AlbionBT (talk) 20:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ignore this, I misunderstood the rule! AlbionBT (talk) 21:08, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * (ec) I'm glad you found the welcome info helpful! As I am very much involved in the discussion, it would not be appropriate for me to use admin tools on that article. Lady  of  Shalott  21:10, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't realise. It's moot now anyway since the rule wasn't actually broken. AlbionBT (talk) 21:20, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for your interest in good beer! Drmies (talk) 04:25, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Am I correct in guessing that you recently imbibed some of De Proef's wares? Lady  of  Shalott  04:45, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * NO! Unfortunately. But my brother-in-law, who is a beer junkie/snob, tells me he has and it's delicious. (You are lucky, living in the state you're in--they just returned from a beer-buying tour around Atlanta.) I have Maredsous and Duvel in the fridge now, and decided that Orval isn't really worth 5.50 a bottle. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * So Atlanta's a good beer city? Too bad I can't appreciate that aspect of my state more. There's apparently quite a homebrew community in this town. I have a good friend who is the current president of the local homebrew association. Maybe your b-i-l will be nice and share with you. Lady  of  Shalott  14:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Wayback-Machine
Hi LadyofShalott, I noticed that you're an experienced Wiki editor, and I wondered if I could ask you a quick question about your feelings about the wayback-machine. My issue is this; I need a citation for the 2005 Juno Awards, but on their current website they only archieve up to 2006 for some odd reason. However, Wayback Machine can give me updates on the site back to 2003. Is wayback-machine a creditble source, have you noticed people using citations from this website on other wiki's? Jason (talk) 02:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Jason, I believe it is sometimes used in the absence of more currect references. There's even a page about how to do so: Using the Wayback Machine. I'm not familiar with the Juno Awards. My advice is to go ahead and use it to make the references, and then if anyone objects, discuss it on the talk page. I think verifiability will be on your side. Lady  of  Shalott  02:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback! I just finished watched an interview with Brewster Kahle which was really interesting:

Youtube.com @ watch?v=lxFvADuI9X4 I think we'll be seeing more of this website. Canadian Juno Awards are akin to American Grammy Awards. America has a good chuckle watching their Canadian friends trying to mimic them, but yeah, nobody outside of Canada pays any attention, and honestly why should they. Have a nice night. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBMforeverNowhere (talk • contribs) 03:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * btw, thanks for the link to that help page, I think that since Wikipedia has its own tag  for the wayback machine, that it considers it a valid resource. I guess more in question would be the website I'm citing from the archive, i.e; newyorktimes.com is good, where as, littlegreenfishfromouterspace.com is questionable. Jason (talk) 08:23, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Apologies for all these comments, but I just had another thought about this too, that the wayback machine might even be a BETTER source for citing old news; in that, a website such as newyorktimes.com is at risk of being hacked or even, god forbid, pulling some kind of Orwellian double-speak edits. Internet Archive is a non-profit organization, with its data being secondary material, so in this sense the information they store is likely to be exactly as it was on the date posted with the site in question - except for the issue that it sometimes only loads incomplete/partial websites. Regardless, it seems like it will be a handy resource for citations im looking for that aren't not showing up in search engines. Jason (talk) 08:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No apologies needed. :) I haven't ever played with the wayback machine. I'm going to have to rectify that. Lady  of  Shalott  02:00, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Atomician! :) Lady  of  Shalott  01:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Merged Lewisia tweedyi into Cistanthe tweedyi
Turns out that Cistanthe is the more up-to-date genus (see ELs and refs in new merged article). Most of the article is your material from Lewisia tweedyi, so thanks for making that article! —hike395 (talk) 03:52, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about the update! However, I just did some copyediting and related work on it. The real article creator is Ttaylor0713. Lady  of  Shalott  04:14, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries
I saw that you proposed an event in Athens Regional Library for The Wikipedia Loves Libraries. I wanted to offer you any assistance I could in planning/coordinating or just making the event happen. I live under an hour away (North) but Athens is not out of my realm.

--  Ra nd or  Xe us . 11:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the offer of help! We are still very much in the figuring-out-what-we-might-do stage. I'd love to have another Wikipedian in on it. Lady  of  Shalott  15:33, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Notability
Hi, I'm trying to add an article about an organization that is listed on the AIM London Stock Exchance but am unsure of exactly what is needed to demonstrate notability. I thought being listed on the stock exchange an receiving media coverage from several sources relating to this would be sufficient?

jjakaalbinoboy 21:23, 17 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjakaalbinoboy (talk • contribs)
 * Hi JJ, You need to cite the multiple examples of media coverage. Also, I notice the article had been deleted a couple of times as being blatant advertising. Articles here need to be written from a neutral point of view, not sound like an advertisement for the subject. Does this help? I'll be glad to answer any follow-up questions you have. Lady  of  Shalott  01:40, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

If I create the page in my userspace first would you help me tidy it up so it doesn't sound like an advertisement? jjakaalbinoboy 18:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjakaalbinoboy (talk • contribs)
 * Sure... just let me know when you have it started there. Or do you need me to userfy your previous draft? Lady  of  Shalott  21:22, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Joining the Ambassador program
Wonderful! To officially become an Online Ambassador, you need to apply, but you're a shoe-in, so I'd say feel free to sign the MOU and join a pod at the same time you apply.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:26, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do... thanks, Sage! Lady  of  Shalott  17:28, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion at one of Wikipedia's most important articles
As a contributor to the previous merge discussion you may wish to comment here.--kelapstick(bainuu) 00:33, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, K. I've commented there. Lady  of  Shalott  01:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I never knew that our doctor friend felt so strongly towards cheese dreams. He is making my grandmother proud.  In othe news, I believe Joe Biden is visiting Mongolis shortly, I have been warned to stay away from large gatherings, the German and British embassies, and Sukhbaatar Square. --kelapstick(bainuu) 04:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Why, thank you! Lady  of  Shalott  10:19, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for information
Thank you for information on the article I created on Sheila Dillon  - I did know that we now had got quite strict about providing references for living people biographies, and was also somewhat concerned that I could do no better than put in a  few external links! The reason I put in the article is that for a long time, there had been the name "Sheila Dillon" in the article on The Food Programme written in red letters - indicating that there was no article on her. However, if you think that she is not notable enough for her own article - or, more likely, that we will have to delete it if no one can find any sources for it - just let me know (we could probably  merge the information with the article on The Food Programme). ACEOREVIVED (talk) 15:16, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, at this point, I don't really have any idea whether she's notable enough for her own article or not. I'll leave that up to you to decide if you can find enough references to justify an article. If no references at all are added before the 10 day period is up, the article will certainly be deleted. If you want to pre-empt that and merge to the article on The Food Programme, go ahead.  Lady  of  Shalott  15:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for deleted article content
A software article was deleted by prod in 2009. I showed the software's notability and created a stub for the software Simplenote. I asked the deleting admin if he could move the old article content to my sandbox a bit over a week ago, but he hasn't logged in since then. I was wondering if you could put the deleted content in User:Joe Chill/Sandbox to see if I have anything else to work with. Joe Chill (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Since there is an extant article, I just restored the full history (no need to fool with the sandbox in this case, and it's better to keep it all together). Have fun looking at the old work! Lady  of  Shalott  23:11, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Joe Chill (talk) 23:13, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Despite the unsourced content, it looks I should be able to move the old content into the new article by sourcing it myself. Joe Chill (talk) 23:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Yakuza (editing Yakuza, American Yakuza)
Ladyofshalott, I'm new to the Wiki editing process. Can you assist me in editing? I wish to add myself (Mr. Kenshiro) who has been a criminal contractor for the Yakuza. My concearns, is that who ever wrote (First Paragraph)  Yakuza (ヤクザ or やくざ ?), also known as gokudō (極道?), are members of traditional organized crime syndicates in Japan. The Japanese police, and media by request of the police, call them bōryokudan (暴力団), literally "violence group", while the yakuza call themselves "ninkyō dantai" (任侠団体 or 仁侠団体), "chivalrous organizations". The yakuza are notoriously known for their strict codes of conduct and very organized nature. They are very prevalent in the Japanese media and operate internationally with an estimated 102,400 members.

Doesn't even know the meaning of Yakuza...Literally. You responded once before about "American Yakuza" my answer to your inquiry... I placed it in the Movie "American Yakuza". I need to place it as sub section in Yakuza. However, my edits are being deleted.

Example; yakuza (“good-for-nothing”), or gyangu (“gangster”), bōryokudan, (“tough gang”). Yet, my facts are deleted...Please, give me direction. Mr. Kenshiro (talk) 20:34, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Two things occur to me right off. First is that that you have an obvious conflict of interest (COI); so I suggest you read the page about editing with a COI, which is generally discouraged. Second is that edits, particularly significant changes in text, generally require use of reliable sources. If you are using information you have personally gained from your work, that does not qualify as it has not been published in a verifiable document. I'll be glad to help you further with Wikipedia processes and your questions about them. I know essentially nothing about the Yakuza, and so will not touch that content myself. Please feel free to post any follow-up questions here. Lady  of  Shalott  00:27, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

About that last thing you said to me
Yeah i did not mean to change that one. Normally I would not and i do not know why I did. If it not an actual page usually I usually do not bother. Maybe it is a habit, I will work on it. I will fight the urge to change unmade pages. Sorry it will not happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Program Death (talk • contribs) 20:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Lady  of  Shalott  21:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Query re ANI notification etiquette
I am trying to spread my queries around a little. I hope that you do not mind. Someone has posted an ANI notification at the talk pages of two articles where the person who is subject to the ANI report has contributed. Both are controversial, India-related articles where many India-centric contributors (including numerous socks) have been unhappy with how WP policies work wrt sources, POV etc. They are identical notifications but I have felt compelled to add a rejoinder - see here.

Sticking the ANI notifications on article talk pages is somewhat unusual when the subject of the report is not the article but rather an individual. However, I know exactly why it has been done. My query is: if it is going to be done then should it not be placed at every article that the user in question has recently contributed to, or at least those where the user has run into difficulties with other users? I feel that the poster of the notification has cherry-picked articles to suit their position. - Sitush (talk) 06:46, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't had time to look at this in detail yet, but cherry-picking articles to notify does have the sound of WP:CANVASSing. I agree that the notification, if posted at any articles at all (which is odd), should be posted at any relevant ones. Lady  of  Shalott  15:59, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * From what you say MangoWango was right, he put the notification in the relavant articles. Perhaps he withdrew as that would have been an unwanted sideshow for him. 117.195.78.31 (talk) 20:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Of all the mentions that I have seen of MW's username (which is a lot), only one other person mis-spelled it in the manner above, and they too had concerns similar to those of the IP. How curious. - Sitush (talk) 20:47, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm ending this right here. Please do not use my talk page as a place to battle. Lady  of  Shalott  21:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry. That was not my intent. - Sitush (talk) 21:15, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It's ok. I just could imagine how things could proceed, and wanted them not to do so. Lady  of  Shalott  21:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Subsequent to my note above I was able to cause the poster of the notifications to retract via Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents, Their rationale for the original action seemed inconsistent even when explained to me at that venue and, to my surprise, was of the opinion that the notices were ok. Although done and dusted, I remain somewhat confused! It seems fairly clear-cut to me but I am obviously missing something major somewhere. - Sitush (talk) 16:20, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Closing discussion
You have closed discussion at AN/I. It wasn't off topic. An IP is making a point about an editor. Please undo close. Your hiding muffles statements made against the reporting party. Of course if you don't hide it, it can be refered to in a comment. 117.195.78.31 (talk) 20:32, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It is quite off-topic and nearly non-sensical. No, I shall not unarchive it. Lady  of  Shalott  20:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The IP is trying to say that an editor who wants action against TT2011 is wrong. By archiving it on a call given by an editor also wants action against TT2011, you are favouring one side imo.117.195.78.31 (talk) 20:40, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The analogy does not work. The last person to comment in it has nothing to do with why I closed it when I did. I think that final comment was added just as I was going to close it in fact. Lady  of  Shalott  20:43, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh it was then a case of "a crow sat and the branch broke" in one word coincidence. 117.195.78.31 (talk) 22:01, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing the comment out. Closing the rest of the bickering is kosher. Very kind of you. 117.195.78.31 (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I can take no credit for that. The last comment was added after I closed the discussion, but I saw no reason to move it into the closed portion. Lady  of  Shalott  21:19, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh (gives a sheepish look), so stupid of me. Unlock it, it won't hurt anyone. (Changing the subject) See if one starts shooting off the lips (Indian vs international) we have others violating tpgs. 117.195.78.31 (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries
Why don't you create something at Meetup/Athens, Georgia, and maybe we can share this with more Wiki-Georgians? BTW, we've had some more guidelines being filled out recently at the WLL page.--Pharos (talk) 18:47, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been watching it, but haven't yet looked today (I saw on my watchlist something more has been posted). I'm a little unsure how to proceed right now. I was approaching it as a library staffperson and a Wikipedian. I have done a little talking with other people at my library - but again as a staffperson who happens to be into WP. When things got spelled out a bit more, it changed my view of things. Also, because of a current renovation and expansion project, we are pushed for space. What I was envisioning doing in our reduced space is a little hard to reconcile with what I now understand to be the aims of the meetup idea. :/ Lady  of  Shalott  18:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be unfortunate if it had to be shelved ... - Sitush (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, we probably can still do something. I just have to rethink things and talk to some people... Lady  of  Shalott  19:10, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The idea is really to organize it in whatever way best suits the local circumstances. Feel free to mix-and-match ideas, and do your own thing :)--Pharos (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I live in Gwinnett, not far from Athens, is there a page where this specific location's event (if it happens) is being discussed/tracked? I'd hate to forget about this and miss out. - SudoGhost 07:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Ferenc Dávid‎
Hi, probably could/should have said Hi before. re. >LadyofShalott (talk | contribs) (more than ocassionally in my experience (OR, yes, I know, but "also" doesn't say with what frequency))... No problem but maybe "sometimes anglicized as" for those who can't spot that it's an anglicization. Incidentally, "in my experience" - how familiar are you with Hungarian U of this period? It's not a popular area... Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 01:13, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to change that to "sometimes Anglicized as"; that's certainly reasonable, and I've no objection to it. I don't have much familiarity with it at all. It's just that "Francis Dávid‎" (generally said like that) is a rather iconic figure, and he and the Edict of Torda are brought up from time to time in discussions of UU history. Beyond that, I'm afraid my knowledge of details of that period of history are lacking. Thanks for dropping your note! Lady  of  Shalott  01:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Unfortunately there's very little not in Hungarian, except in the Bibliotheca dissidentium. Cheers In ictu oculi (talk) 10:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Pods
Yep, I'll formally close your application and welcome you to the program tomorrow (I need to write a new welcome message based on the changes in the Online Ambassador role from the last term).

Do you want to join just one pod, or would you be willing to support a few?--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 13:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'd be glad to help a few. (For some reason, I was assuming I had to pick just one!) Lady  of  Shalott  13:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! I'll start off by having you join this one: United States Education Program/Courses/Composition II (Dayna Goldstein).  They are getting started today, at 5-6:15pm Eastern time.  If you're free then, they're looking for someone on hand to help the professor and students through their first steps on-wiki and I can put you in touch with the prof by email.  If not, that's fine; I'll put out a call to the ambassadors email list for help then.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I just saw this, and I'll be in and out for the next few hours. Lady  of  Shalott  21:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

User Kelapstick/Kupol Gold Mine
Did you not mean to place this at User:Kelapstick/Kupol Gold Mine? 94.8.98.105 (talk) 23:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops, thanks! I'll fix it now. Lady  of  Shalott  23:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I left a source from CTV on calistemon's talk page. Not sure what it says, it was blocked here. -kelapstick(bainuu) 00:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Question about naming so I do not step on any toes
The question is about Shadow Kiss (novel). There is nothing named Shadow Kiss. So would guide lines that you recited mean the name should be Shadow Kiss. This was originally a redirect page to Vampire Academy. I do not know why. I change it to a redirect page to Shadow Kiss (novel). Personally I do not know if I could move the page because Shadow Kiss already has multiple changes in its history. I think the page was probably blank and link to the series page until enough information was on it but when it can time to make the page again they created a new on instead of using the original page. I figure I should let you know and maybe if I am right then  Shadow Kiss (novel) should be changed to Shadow Kiss.Program Death (talk) 01:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes you are correct that if there's nothing else to compete for the name Shadow Kiss, that's where the article should be. See if you can move it; if you can't, let me know, and I'll do it. Lady  of  Shalott  01:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I tried and I cannot do anything it has to be deleted. It the same thing for Spirit Bound (novel). There is nothing with that name. The Spirit Bound page redirects to the series page and I cannot change it either. I assume they need to be deleted first.Program Death (talk) 02:12, 2 September 2011 (UTC) ✅ Let me know if you come across any others you need help with! Lady of  Shalott  02:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

List of Menon
Since I've spoken to you before, could you take a look at List of Menon. Doesn't seem to be notable enough for its own article and the content should be moved to its disambig page, no? Cheers, 94.8.98.105 (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... well the length makes it reasonable as a standalone list. What does concern me is that it is entirely unsourced. Lady  of  Shalott  16:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the Wikipedia Ambassador Program
Hi LadyofShalott!

Congratulations! Your application to join the Global Education Program as an Online Ambassador has been accepted. The steps you need to take now, a few things you need to read, are bolded.

When you get a chance, please add your username to the official list of Online Ambassadors and add a profile for yourself here (which helps match Online Ambassadors with classes in their areas of interest).

Here are some things you should know to help you get started:

The role of the Online Ambassador
The main role of for an Online Ambassador is to join the "pod" for one or more participating classes. The pod is the team of people helping a class of students contribute effectively to Wikipedia, consisting of the course instructor, the local Campus Ambassadors who will work with the class in person, the Online Ambassadors who work with the class online, and the Regional Ambassador for the pod who will check in periodically with the pod to make sure everything is going well.

A prototypical pod might look something like this:
 * An instructor who is fairly new to Wikipedia, leading a class of 20 students assigned to make significant contributions to new or existing articles related to the course subject.
 * Two Campus Ambassadors, one of whom is an experienced Wikipedian and one of whom is new to Wikipedia. The Campus Ambassadors will have gone through a training program on the basics of Wikipedia and how to help students contribute effectively.
 * Two Online Ambassadors, one moderately experienced on Wikipedia and one very experienced, who can answer basic questions and give good editing advice and find others to help when they get in over their heads, one of whom has a particular interest in the subject area of the course.
 * One Regional Ambassador, a moderately experienced Wikipedian who is working with 15 different pods spread across a big geographical region.

(That's an idealization, but it gives you an idea of the spectrum of people in each of the roles in the program.)

The expections for an Online Ambassador in a pod (and what you can expect from other pod members) are laid out in the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between pod members. In short the role of the Online Ambassador is to:
 * Help students in your class(es) when they ask for it, answer their questions, and generally watch out for them
 * Help students to get feedback on their work (whether from you or other editors an interest in / knowledge of the subject area)
 * Be a good example for students, modeling good wiki communication and editing practices
 * Communicate regularly with the other members of your pod about how things are going and problems are coming up

To join a pod, go to the MOU signup page, which lists the courses for the current term, and leave your signature in one of the Online Ambassador slots for the pod you want to join.

You can also help as an Online Ambassador outside of your role as a pod member, anywhere you see students who could use help. Feedback on the substance (rather than style and formatting) of student articles, in particular, is always a need.

If you use IRC, please consider adding #wikipedia-en-ambassadors and #wikipedia-en-classroom to your channel lineup. The latter is the main help channel for the program, where students and instructors come from time to time in search of live help.

Wikipedia Ambassadors are expected to follow the Wikipedia Ambassadors Principles. Please review them.

Communication channels
There are three main places for news, updates and discussion about Wikipedia Ambassadors and the Global Education Program:
 * 1) Wikipedia talk:Ambassadors
 * 2) The Ambassador Program announcements list, which all ambassadors should join.  It is a low-traffic email list that is only used for significant announcement that are relevant to the whole program.  Please sign up as soon as you get a chance.
 * 3) The Wikipedia Ambassadors Google Group, a discussion list shared by Online Ambassadors and Campus Ambassadors.  It's not required, but it's strong recommended and most of the ambassadors are on it.  Request to join the Wikipedia Ambassadors Google Group if you would like access.

Newsletters about the program, or messages for Online Ambassadors particularly, may be delivered to your talk page on occasion.

Thanks for volunteering as a Wikipedia Ambassador! If you have any questions, please let me know.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:39, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

The Corre
I have added proper referencing and reliable secondary sources for The Corre (professional wrestling). Could you take a look and decide whether it should still be considered for deletion? Starship.paint (talk) 08:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Help
Lady, I'm a bit dense, and this morning I'm also especially slow. I spotted a nice copy and paste job on Bay Springs, Mississippi and deleted the offender--but I should delete every revision between now and then, right? (I know I've asked you this before and I'm pretty sure the answer is 'yes', but I still haven't kicked this bug that got me.) (PS, we'll be at the splashpad in an hour--are you coming? No topless splashing allowed, I'm afraid.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you should. Sorry you're still ill. I had something that kicked my butt earlier in the week, but it seems to have been mercifully short-lived. I wish I could join you, but, alas, I am otherwise occupied today. Lady  of  Shalott  14:40, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha, I saw. You don't like football??? I hope every drunk frat boy in town comes to take a leak in your library, bwuhaha! Drmies (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You are evil, Drmies! Lady  of  Shalott  15:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow, just deleted 32 contributions. I hate doing that, but I think I had incorporated the most useful of the edits. Thanks Lady, and may you have a restful day at work. Drmies (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hah, thanks. With our current construction project, and the consequent moving around of everything, we are answering more questions than ever - to the tune of several hundred more this past month in this department alone. (And they thought we would slow down. hahaha) Lady  of  Shalott  15:09, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * @Drmies, one of the guys I work with has a kid playing for the Aggies in today's game, small world isn't it? --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. The parents of the kids we went to the splash pad with know the woman who is buying her house, so I got to blackball her some. People need to learn: you can drive a hard bargain and get what you want for cheap, but it's not always a nice thing to do or even a smart thing a. when the sellers are moving across the street and will be your neighbors and b. when you're moving to a small town where everyone knows just about everyone. They lost their pool privileges before they even moved in. You and yours, and you Lady, you're always welcome of course, and so is CoM--but he promised last year already he'd come and visit. Drmies (talk) 17:48, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Re:Since you blocked one of these accounts...
- F ASTILY  (TALK) 08:47, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:Articles for deletion/The Corre (professional wrestling) (2nd nomination)
Well, since you're an admin (I'm not really sure who to go to about these things since I've never done so before), I feel the issues raised by the AfD were aptly handled and I'm satisfied with the result of the article. I therefore would like to withdraw my AfD on The Corre (professional wrestling). ☆ Antoshi ☆ T 17:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, all you have to do then is make a comment on the AfD where you say that you withdraw the nomination. I would make that phrase in bold type. Since there are no other remaining delete votes, any uninvolved person can come along and close the discussion. (I think technically anyone would be allowed at that, but I won't close discussions in which I've participated.) Lady  of  Shalott  17:57, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Emotions
Hello again. I am really hoping that the war between myself and Me-1234567-Me is over. I have tried to show this in cleaning up Yukon Green Party, Kristina Calhoun, and United Citizens Party of Yukon, articles Me-1234567-Me created. But my paranoid self is concerned that the Afd for Jordan Todosey, an article I recently cleaned up, is an attack at me, when Todosey is an actress, and I have only seen Me-1234567-Me edit political articles. Are my concerns warranted? 117Avenue (talk) 05:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly?-- intelati  talk  05:58, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... yes, possibly. One AfD that is quickly heading for a keep is not a problem (although aggravating). If this becomes a pattern though, it could be a problem. Come back if there are more appearances that look like harassment. Lady  of  Shalott  13:35, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 19:52, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Favo(u)r
Given our doctor friend's dislike of Commonwealth English, I have given this an proper title. Could I trouble you to have a look for a free picture of the Fort Knox Gold Mine in Alaska (either in person, via a flight on Alaska Airlines or on the internet), I have found this (does the link work), but the content is currently blocked here, so I can't check the licencing. I also found a really nice one with the Northern Lights in the back ground, but it was all rights reserved. Much thanks. --kelapstick(bainuu) 17:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the one (actually 4 on that page) you found will work; the license excludes commercial use. I'll see if I can find anything that will work. BTW, the good dr.'s predilections are not necessarily my own. Feel free to use CE on my page - just avoid leet-speak, text-speak, and the ilk (well, for the most part anyway... obviously I use abbreviations such as "BTW" myself). Lady  of  Shalott  23:02, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * now that I am back In camp I see they are all googe anyway. Thanks anyway Lady. If you find anything, let me know. Bed time here, I will have another look tonight. kelapstick(bainuu) 23:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sleep well! Lady  of  Shalott  23:31, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice work on Fort Knox.--kelapstick(bainuu) 11:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not exactly what you asked for, but... Lady  of  Shalott  14:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You took care of the geology section, that I always try to avoid doing myself. And without Google Chrome, I have no browser embeded spell czech.  Cheers. --kelapstick(bainuu) 14:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But the geology is the fun part. :D Shall I see what I can "dig up" for the geology of the others? Lady  of  Shalott  14:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that is the first time I have heard someone say "The geology is the fun part" (with the exception of an actualy geologist). If you want to fill in the rest that would be great, I have quite a few more to start (hoping to make Template:Kinross Gold all blue, and multi-DYK it, if you want to be a part of it).--kelapstick(bainuu) 14:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, well... I completed coursework towards a doctorate in geology before life sent me in other directions. I had a petrology and geoarchaeology focus. Cool, I'll see what I can find. Lady  of  Shalott  14:27, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Had I known that I would have solicited your assistance ages ago...I will be completing a couple hours of mass expansion (sounds like a medical condition), let me know if there are any articles you want me to stay off, I am on Maricunga right now.--kelapstick(bainuu) 14:38, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Now you know! :) OK, I am trying to pull up the technical report for Maricunga, but it's not wanting to load for me. If I actually get it to load, I'll save it and add stuff when you aren't on it. It just came up. Lady  of  Shalott  14:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

←I shouldn't be much longer, open pits are pretty boring, but I have a pretty good source to draw from.--kelapstick(bainuu) 14:48, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all yours, article wasn't as good as I though, I will get back to it if I find something else of interest.--kelapstick(bainuu) 14:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Kupol just had a massive expansion (+1,500), but there is still a long way to go, the mining-technology.com reference has a massive geology section in it, if you would care to look at it.--kelapstick(bainuu) 13:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I will! I won't be able to do anything substantial until later though (just a quick check-in right now). I need to do more on the Maricunga geology as well. Lady  of  Shalott  15:44, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Do you think Kinross would release soem pictures?  I put in a request, I suspect pictures of gold mines are pretty difficult to get (especially ones in northern Russia and west Africa).  --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:49, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Check your inbox.--kelapstick(bainuu) 22:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And you, yours. Lady  of  Shalott  23:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if it will be enough, but I sent the email to OTRS, so we will see. If I have to contact the company again I will to confirm.  Nice pictures though, I like the gold bar, would be nice at higher resolution.--kelapstick(bainuu) 23:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Cricket cats
(And I'm guessing this is true for other sports cats too)
 * Category:FOO cricketers is for cricketers who play(ed) for the FOO team
 * Category:FOOian cricketers is for cricketers who hail from FOO

e.g. Kevin Pietersen is under Category:Bangalore cricketers but he would never be in the category (if created) Category:Sportspeople from Bangalore. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

(copying over one comment from my talk page) Re this, ok but (a) that's really ambiguous, and (b) if it's for people who played for that team, shouldn't 'cricketers' be capitalized? Lady of  Shalott  16:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, we don't normally do that here, see the category tree at Category:Test cricketers or Category:Players in Australian domestic cricket by team. This appears to be our standard convention. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:00, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ...but you do capitalize "Test" for no obvious reason. Cricket people are weird! Lady  of  Shalott  17:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Light reading on the cat name: Categories for discussion/Victoria (Australia) cricketers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well having only read the proposer's statement, I would say that I disagree that it is unambiguous - maybe the meaning of (in this case) Goa cricketers is obvious to people who follow cricket, but Wikipedia should be speaking to a general audience, not only those who already know the subject intimately. I think you've also convinced me not to touch another cricket article (at least for categorizing). :/ Lady  of  Shalott  18:30, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I hold the opposing view, Wikipedia doesn't understand cricket :) Don't sign off from the project yet, there are lots of articles that can be taken up to GA or at least DYK on women's cricket -- I didn't know the name of a single woman cricketer until I started editing the topic here, but now I can rattle off stats without having to look at sources. Some of them are amazing players with great achievements, unfortunately it doesn't seem to count much in terms of public opinion. However, some of the current lot (and I'm more familiar with Indian players) like Mithali Raj, Jhulan Goswami etc have significant coverage in external sources and their articles can easily be made GA quality -- what's missing is some good on-wiki, referenced prose. Try taking one of Category:India women Test cricketers to DYK :) &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Mark Lemon (author)
And there I was about to slap you with a template. Thanks for quickly reverting what I figured was a GF mistake! Yunshui (talk) 13:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it was a strange edit conflict. I got an edit conflict warning, but the diff showed no change other than the removal of my template; so I put it back and hit save. Then in my watchlist, I see -602 in my edit... uh, what? Sorry again! Lady  of  Shalott  13:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, these things happen. Have a cookie and forget about it. Yunshui (talk) 13:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)



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A page protection question
Can an AfD have page protection due to IP posts that aren't there to discuss the AfD but solely to comment about other editor's behavior? I don't think I've ever noticed it done before, so I'm not sure if it can or not. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:35, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of such. It would be highly unusual. It could be a reasonable course of action if the IP's/new editors are only talking about tangential subjects, and not about whether the article should be deleted or not. I think an extreme amount of disruption would have to be occurring to justify such a course though. Lady  of  Shalott  02:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So far, it has only been about 3 edits or so over yesterday and today. I'm currently trying to get the editor to understand that the WP:OR policy isn't just a suggestion. But when they make statements like "It's hard not to use OR when very little cite-able info exists." you know it's an uphill climb. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:50, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

PROD to redirects
Converting PRODs to redirects in general cases is definitely a good idea, but in this cat I think we might be in for a few other problems -- the article history is retained and unchecked copvyios could be languishing while there's also the other issue of some of these redirects being resurrected at a later time. Perhaps re-creating the title as a redirect after deletion is a better option. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Your point is well taken, Spiff. I won't undo the ones I have redirected, but I also won't do any more. If you want to nominate the ones I have done for deletion, I certainly won't oppose! Lady  of  Shalott  12:41, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Just in case you missed it
Requests for comment/Drnhawkins has been closed, satisfactorily I think. He may never come back, but he did return this time after a lengthy absence so he might try again. Dougweller (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I had not seen that yet - thanks for the notice! He sounded like he was going to leave for good, but it does need watching. Lady  of  Shalott  15:19, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

1-866-SPEAK-UP listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect 1-866-SPEAK-UP. Since you had some involvement with the 1-866-SPEAK-UP redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so).  B a i l o 26  11:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You should probably notify the article creator as well. Lady  of  Shalott  11:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Please allow to remain open
I reopened the AN/I discussion...please allow it to remain open for a while longer...admins need to stop dismissing non admin complaints.--MONGO 02:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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