User talk:LadyofShalott/Archive 26

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Spelling
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Hello, I've restored the Axe music page and reverted it to the old redirect, which is what you should have done, rather than needlessly tagging it for speedy deletion. I found it because I have User talk:TUF-KAT on my watchlist. Graham 87 09:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

List of bacon substitutes
I've expanded the List of bacon substitutes article you created in 2010 and converted it to table format. Please feel free to expand the article further, if possible and if you're interested. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 10:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:St. Martinus University Faculty of Medicine
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DYK for Suicide in Greenland
--Tito Dutta (contact) (article creator) 01:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your co-operation to expand/improve the article! The newest article in this series is Suicide in United Kingdom (just created) which I am planning to nominate for DYK too! --Tito Dutta (contact) 01:07, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * How nice of you to share the DYK with me. I actually found it because of its being on the main page! I'll take a look at the UK article. Lady  of  Shalott  16:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Spinal manipulation
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Category question
Lady, can you help me? Category:Titus Andronicus albums obviously does not contain albums by Titus Andronicus since that is a play. But I can't seem to fix it, nor do I seem to get along with this cat +/- thingie... Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it; it was the template screwin' things up. Writ Keeper (t + c) 17:55, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks WK! Drmies (talk) 00:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad WK was able to help. This is my first chance to get on the wiki today. Lady  of  Shalott  01:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Contemporary Christian music
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John Mark Ockerbloom article
Hi again, LadyofShalott. I'm finished with the John Mark Ockerbloom article for today. I'm going to spend one or two more days on it. I suspect you already know, but just in case... I found the article from the recent edition of the Signpost (see Wikipedia Signpost/2013-03-18/Interview). I've been trying to help John work his way around Wikipedia. Anyhoo, I see you have a number of DYKs under your belt. I do some DYK-like work myself such as Our Mr. Sun ( and ), but I don't have any interest in getting a DYK or going through the process. Since you are also working on the article I figured I should encourage you to submit it, that is if you want to. Please feel free to rewrite anything I've added. I don't have any ownership issues, although I do prefer the WP:LDR format for references. I should also mention the first 4 references that were already in the article are all non-RS and should be removed. I just can't bring myself to remove stuff from articles unless they are BLP vios or copyvios. I'll use the inuse tag tommorrow when I work on the article, so we don't get edit conflicts. Bye for now. 64.40.54.93 (talk) 00:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Howdy LoS. I just wanted to thank you again for the help on the article. Real life gets in the way, so I won't have any more time to work on the article before the 5 day DYK time limit expires. It's all yours if you want it. Thanks again. I appreciate the help. 64.40.54.12 (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Article deletion questions: Indivised
Hey Aleta, Just wondering.. who decides to delete articles? Must it be an Admin.? Well, whatever the case may be, I keep running into articles with maybe two or three sentences total, and no references. Can you help, or do you know someone to whom I can send the article names who can make those decisions? Here's an example: Indivised. Please answer me on my talk page. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 08:41, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied at User talk:Leahtwosaints. Lady  of  Shalott  01:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Did you ever guess that I was/am computer challenged and without your kindness and attention, I never would have lasted? :) Thus far, I've only gone to Admins. to delete or help fix articles which are merely promotional vehicles and so their WP:NPOV goes right out the window! Aside from contributing, editing, etc. other biographical articles, I look for unreferenced articles (which include people I've never heard about and/or whose music I don't like), so I do come across articles that occasionally need tending to-- will you be willing to check them out when I bump into them? --Leahtwosaints (talk) 15:12, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I can take a look. I'm glad if I helped you be successful here, Leah; you're a good contributor! :) Lady  of  Shalott  02:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Gift economy
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DYK for Suicide in the United Kingdom
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Expanded
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David
Hi, Lady. I removed the Star of David against a couple of names in your post on Drmies' page, in the quotation of some choice bits from a certain online encyclopedia the name of which I don't like to mention unnecessarily (WP:IGNORE). Perhaps I shouldn't have; the stars contain a certain amount of information, in that they tell you much about the style of that site; but, well, one can tell anyway, and I just didn't like to look at them. Please feel free to revert me if you like. Bishonen &#124; talk 22:15, 31 March 2013 (UTC).
 * Hi Bishonen, Those came from copying and pasting the quotes directly, along with the fact that they didn't actually display on the computer I was using at the time (so I didn't realize that's what the boxes I was seeing were supposed to be). It's fine that you removed them; I do appreciate the note about it. Lady  of  Shalott  19:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Walter Baxter
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:2012 Packers–Seahawks officiating controversy
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Please comment on Talk:The Valley of Fear
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Recognition
I've always admired your style, kindness and intelligence. You've been a positive influence on me during my first year as admin, and I want you to know that. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 17:10, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Dennis! That is really sweet of you! :) Lady  of  Shalott  17:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You have always gone out of your way to quietly make my sloppy new articles look better, and I know you do that for many others as well. You really are a highly likeable person and a great editor and admin here.  Just wanted to say thanks in the best way I knew how.  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 21:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
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Church of Siduri
I can't find any evidence that this is notable enough to be mentioned on Wikipedia, can you? Dougweller (talk) 05:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked, and did not found anything very... convincing. I didn't feel entirely comfortable just wiping it out either (hence, my merger). One sentence (which is more than we have now) might not be excessive...? Lady  of  Shalott  15:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say without any sign of notability, yes. It may be little more than a webpage. Maybe unmerge and take to AfD? Dougweller (talk) 16:43, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Urgh. OK. Lady  of  Shalott  16:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait, there have been edits since my merger, and that seems unnecessarily bureaucratic. It might be a little odd, but what if I take the redirect to AfD (rather than RfD) and explain the situation? Lady  of  Shalott  16:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how much time I'll have to be on for the next several hours, so if you want to revert the merge/AfD/RfD/whatever in the meantime, go ahead. Lady  of  Shalott  19:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Church of Siduri

Thank you!

 * You're welcome! That really did not need to hang around. Lady  of  Shalott  03:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks also, for the same reason. I don't get hit as often as Malik Shabazz, but it is reassuring to know that good people are watching.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly. Kind folks have looked out for me, and I'm glad to "pay it forward". Lady  of  Shalott  23:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Girl Slaves of Morgana Le Fay
What do you make of this? Specifically, the image change? Better or worse? Thanks, and thanks for your help with that article, Drmies (talk) 04:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's tough - either one seems ok to me. Does WP:FILM have any preference for DVD covers or movies (like the book projects prefer 1st edition covers where possible)? Lady  of  Shalott  23:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks!

 * Yay, I'm glad you got the shirt; it's well deserved. Thanks for posting a picture of yourself in it! :) Lady  of  Shalott  16:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a bit more recent than the (admittedly better) picture of me on Commons in a blangkon... Besides, it makes the "Who has shirts" page look a bit more interesting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:17, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Ghost in the Shell
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Thanks from Penwatchdog
Your input at Momoiro Clovers provides what's been direly needed from the start, THANKS for your time! Just thought I'd pay the compliment here instead of clogging the nom any further! Couple of notes in case you haven't already made alterations as I write this...
 * Did the wedding dresses actually (officially?) symbolize that, or was it the view of that source?
 * One-too-many "public"s in the weigh-in section. And...
 * The mathematics there may be too much information; a simpler explanation of "stricter" is fine.
 * Moscow: Let this Lady finish what (assuming: she?) started and then let the article pass-or-not.

LadyofShalott's version has my thumbs-up so far. Penwatchdog (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments and the suggestions. I'll work on it some more. (It's very much an iterative process for me when I do something like that.) (Yes, I am female. :) ) Lady  of  Shalott  15:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Help with copy editing of Momoiro Clover Z
Hello! You did a very good job at turning down the overpromotional tone of the AKB48 article. It was nice how you changed a word or two here and there and the whole sentence became more neutral and more more serious in tone. Could you please do the same with Momoiro Clover Z? I am having problems at Template:Did you know nominations/Momoiro Clover Z, where I was asked to "curb" the sentences that sound promotional, but it is too difficult for me to do it myself. I think my way of thinking is not very encyclopedic. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look! Lady  of  Shalott  15:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This will take a while. I'll have more time to focus on it later tonight. Lady  of  Shalott  17:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I think the nomination can wait a couple of days, I've already explained there that I asked for help. What the reviewer doesn't like is this and this. I changed or just deleted most of it, but then there was some info that I didn't want to be deleted and it was too hard for me to rephrase it. By the way, I had to change the words "the group announced" back to "it was announced". I don't know much to tell the complete story, though. That sentence about "didn't know beforehand" is not 100% correct either, but it is better like that than "the group annouced". --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't the group who announced it, who did? I really want to avoid the passive voice. Someone made that announcement. Lady  of  Shalott  21:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I haven't watched the DVD of the concert. I will ask someone, but I don't know how fast I will get a reply. It may take a week or more. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Anosola replied: "The name change was announced in a short movie at the end of the concert. We cannot specify the person who announced it because a common narrator said that in the movie. Akarin knew the name change at the same time. This documentary is recorded in the DVD of Nakano Sunplaza." --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:40, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Expanded/Arts
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Hello Lady,
I finally saw a name I recognized at WP:UAA. Earlier today (perhaps yesterday depending on time zones), I noticed something which I acted on when it seemed there wasn't anyone around. Could you have a look at this please? If there's something I need to fix, or you're willing to fix could you let me know? Thank you. — Ched : ?  03:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Ched, I don't see any problem there. If anything, I think you were on the generous side (not a criticism). Lady  of  Shalott  19:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Lady. I haven't done a lot of the UAA stuff, and wanted to have someone I know check it out. (although I thought that particular one seemed pretty clear cut).  I appreciate your time. — Ched :  ?  20:51, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Doug Christian
You are going to hate this. Bedson sock created out of my first name and his claim I've got a pro-Christian pov. Then an SPI was raised claiming DC was my sock. Dougweller (talk) 06:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just realised you must know this. Dougweller (talk) 06:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe 4 hours sleep isn't enough, many apologies - this is my reaction to seeing just how much you went out of your way - it leaves a nasty feeling in your mouth, doesn't it? Dougweller (talk) 06:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it does. You have nothing to apologize for. Bedson does, not you. :/ Lady  of  Shalott  19:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you!!
this website seems to be all males!! glad to see some non XY chromosome floating around! xoxox -Aerolit (talk) 13:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC) I'm glad to be. Some of us have usernames that are not as obvious as mine. Lady of  Shalott  15:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)`

Away
A sudden death in the family means that I will be unable to be on Wikipedia much for the next few days probably. If you have a matter that needs immediate attention, please contact another editor/administrator. TPSs, please help cover for any slack I leave. Thank you for your understanding. Lady of  Shalott  15:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh no! :( I'm so sorry. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * My condolences to you and your family. All I can do is wish you peace, friend. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 17:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Aw no, very sad :-( Thoughts are with you -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:09, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Very sorry to hear that LoS. All my heart and prayers to you, your family, and your friends. — Ched :  ?  17:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * My condolences also to you and yours. Dougweller (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Turut berduka cita. (Per Dougweller) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you all. Lady  of  Shalott  03:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Update - we had a second sudden death in the family yesterday, because that's apparently how these things go for us. I'll be in and out as I can, but, I'm sorry, I'm not able to do anything hard right now. I do not have a lot of brain power for the time being. Lady of  Shalott  14:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * :( :( :( Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 15:36, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh no! :-( -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:51, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I hate that for you, Lady. You and your family are in my thoughts.  I can only imagine how difficult of a time this is for you.  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 15:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A second one? Oh no. Drmies (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I quit playing Farmville a long time ago, but that was a nice gesture. Social media and the grieving process... Drmies (talk) 17:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This is dreadful news. - Sitush (talk) 16:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This second one is someone not as close as the first, but I wish the universe would let us deal with one thing instead of piling it on. It's too much too quickly, and I am exhausted. Drmies, yeah, even when I did play Farmville, I never was close to as devoted as he was. I appreciate that the friends he made there want to honor him. Thank goodness for friends, online and off. Lady  of  Shalott  18:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Right on, Lady. Nice to see you out and about. Hey, I was going through my list of DYKs; I wrote some nice articles, and you did too. I finally got around to ordering a book by Jeanne Galzy. Can you get her stuff? And how's your French? Drmies (talk) 03:44, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Right now, everything is hard. Lady  of  Shalott  15:23, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for your losses, LoS. I have never gone through such hardship, and am unable to even fathom it myself. Nevertheless, I've seen you around many times, and I know how strong of a person you are. Take it easy and allow yourself the time to grieve; return when you feel you are ready. Again, my sincerest condolences to you and your family in this very difficult time. Kurtis (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Needed help
Hi LadyofShalott, may be it is not your subject of area but I need advice/help, someone wants to know my identity here. I actually do not want that, it can be threat and a kind of harassment to me. If you cannot, please guide me where to ask. The editor is interested in my personal life.Is that the policy?.Justice007 (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Justice, I glanced over that, but my brain is not all there on it yet. Maybe ask someone else who is on OTRS? Anyone else have any advice? Lady  of  Shalott  12:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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YGM
You've got mail. --kelapstick(bainuu) 11:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much
Thank you for your helpful edits to the article BLT cocktail, much appreciated, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello me lady
Howdy, it's APK. Long time, no talkie. ;-) I hope you've been well and keeping the WikiTrolls at bay.  Hit me up on my flickr page anytime.  As you'll see there, I've continued my nerdy passion for old buildings.  Best, 67.163.124.220 (talk) 23:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh my gosh, APK, it's so good to hear from you!!! I'll take a look at the flickr page, and I hope you'll come back and edit here. Lady  of  Shalott  17:12, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! May the force be with you, Kid. Drmies (talk) 02:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:2012–13 Ukrainian Premier League
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Damn lesbian books
All this, and this, to produce Burnt Offering (Galzy novel). That's an hour, for one sentence. Sheesh. BTW, it's a really interesting book, and there is no way in which it'll have a happy ending. Drmies (talk) 02:25, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Drinking a Rochefort 10 and rubbing Sadie on her sweet little dog head is making me feel a bit better. Drmies (talk) 03:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's up at DYK. Unfortunately I am a diligent researcher and found the plot revealed in a book. Sniff. Drmies (talk) 04:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That is an outstanding article, Drmies. It was a pleasure to read.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you Cullen, that's very nice of you. Jeunes filles en serre chaude, which I wrote up tonight, isn't nearly as good, but I got a pretty good hook for DYK. Drmies (talk) 05:12, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Courtesy notice
I have quoted an old post of yours on ANI with respect to a 2011 incident involving Curb Chain. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 15:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. Lady  of  Shalott  00:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Allie Brosh
Hi. I redirected this page to the page of her comic website. Unfortunately, in doing so I lost access to the link where the Allie Brosh article was userfied. If you could provide me with that link or merge it yourself I would appreciate it. Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 17:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Candle: User:Alataristarion/Allie Brosh. Lady  of  Shalott  00:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Enjoy your vacation. Candleabracadabra (talk) 18:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Request for input in drafting potential guidelines
Hi. There are, at present, no particular clear guidelines for religious material here, or, for that matter, guidelines for how to deal with ideas in general, particularly those ideas which might be accepted as true by individuals of a given religious, political, or scientific stance. There have been attempts in the past to draft such guidelines, but they have quickly been derailed. I am dropping this note on the talk pages of a number of editors who I believe have some interest in these topics, or have shown some ability and interest in helping to develop broad topic areas, such as yourself, and asking them to review the material at User:John Carter/Guidelines discussion and perhaps take part in an effort to decide what should be covered in such guidelines, should they be determined useful, and what phrasing should be used. I also raise a few questions about broader possible changes in some things here, which you might have some more clear interest in. I would be honored to have your input. John Carter (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice, John. I am interested and will take a look at your draft. Lady  of  Shalott  13:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Solid State PLC
Can you tell me how to add the logo to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jjakaalbinoboy/Solid_State_PLC? Then we shall move it to mainspace? --jjakaalbinoboy | Talk 13:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It needs to be the other way around: move it to mainspace first, and then we can add the logo. The reason for that is that non-free images, such as logos, can only be used in mainspace, not userspace or anywhere else. Do you need help moving it to mainspace, or only the logo addition? Lady  of  Shalott  16:27, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Bibliography articles and copyright
I stumbled across the WikiProject Bibliographies page (where I found your name) a while back and thought I could contribute a few bibliographies of notable but not particularly well-known authors. My first substantial effort, a bibliography of Edmund Beckett, 1st Baron Grimthorpe is about as complete as I can make it and will be ready for mainspace after a bit more polishing. The article is based on Ferriday's biography but much of the information has never been collated in one place before; as best I can tell there are no copyright issues.

Here's a harder case: I'd like to write a bibliography on bibliographies, starting with G. Thomas Tanselle's book-length syllabus "Introduction to Bibliography". There's enough information here for a dozen articles, but I would be copying large swaths of text; there's just not too many creative ways to make lists of citations.

Obviously I'd cite Tanselle and ideally I'd be adding (and perhaps omitting) a few other books based on other sources. Despite this I'm concerned that there's not enough of a difference to avoid questions of copyright infringement.

Any guidance? How can we use scholarly bibliographies to write bibliography articles, and how can we avoid WP:OR if we don't use them?

Many thanks,

Lesser Cartographies (talk) 21:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)


 * After a bit of googling, I found Adelman v. Christy, which says in part:"Adelman's Bibliography appears to be the printout of a computer research query or database, arranged in chronological order. See Pl.'s Statement of Facts Ex. D. Although Adelman may have invested time and money in compiling this list, the Bibliography is only subject to minimal protection under copyright law. '[T]he copyright in a factual compilation is thin. Notwithstanding a valid copyright, a subsequent compiler remains free to use the facts contained in another's publication to aid in preparing a competing work, so long as the competing work does not feature the same selection and arrangement.' Feist, 499 U.S. at 349, 111 S.Ct. 1282." I'm going to read that as a combination of Tanselle's bibliography with others is sufficiently novel to not infringe Tanselle's copyright.  If you think a stricter interpretation is warranted, please let me know.  Lesser Cartographies (talk) 20:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable to me, but I'm afraid I'm out of my copyright depth with your question. It might be a good idea to ask at User talk:Moonriddengirl; she and her talk page stalkers know a lot more about copyright than I do. Lady  of  Shalott  02:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I seem to recall that lists require some creative input to be copyrightable. Something like List of songs recorded by Chrisye or list of works by Amir Hamzah, if complete, would not be copyrightable in and of its own. However, something like Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Songs of All Time would certainly be copyrightable as selection had creative input. For a bibliography of reading material related to a subject (as opposed to a bibliography of works produced by a subject) I'd expect there to be some creativity involved, as different works are included and excluded based on the compiler's reasoning (a form of creative input). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you both; I've pinged Moonriddengirl. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 21:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * While IANAL (and cannot give you legal advice), I believe that using elements of Tanselle's select bibliography in combination with others may be sufficient to avoid infringement, as long as you are careful not to simply pay lip service to combining bibliographies. :) To avoid substantial similarity, I would really recommend blending liberally so that in the end you actually do create something novel. For an off-the-cuff example, if you created a list of "50 most important books of the 20th century", and it deviated by one or two entries from Time Magazine's list of "50 most important books of the 20th century", they'd have a stronger change to demonstrate infringement. Likewise, if Tanselle were able to demonstrate that you have reproduced his list (and his criteria for selection) with an insignificant amount of variation, there could be more of an issue. In essence, I am agreeing with Crisco - a select bibliography of this sort is likely to be creative. I don't think it's impossible to use it in creating a new list (or lists), but I think it will require great care. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:58, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Crisco and MRG, for chiming in here! Lady  of  Shalott  18:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable&mdash;my thanks as well! Lesser Cartographies (talk) 21:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Purpose and pain and penguins
Hi Lady. I was saddened and disturbed to see this, which they undid with their next edit. I was concerned, until I saw that a few minutes later they seemed to be okay, enthusiastically praising penguins. In general, do you think anything should be done when encountering an edit such as that first one? If someone feels that way, I would like to think that some encouragement might help, but it's also quite possible that bringing it up could make things worse. It could be dangerous playing amateur psychiatrist. If they had done anything constructive, I would have welcomed them. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  20:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow, Mandarax. I don't know. It sounds at least borderline suicidal, but they are not threatening imminent self-harm (in which case, there are channels for contacting local officials). There's no way to know if they are really feeling that way, or are just trolling. I honestly don't know what the best thing to do is. Anyone else want to chime in with thoughts?  Lady  of  Shalott  23:43, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I've left them some cookies - I also considered the "welcome but your edits were not helpful" template, but in the circumstances it seemed unwise. Maybe someone should invite them to WP:WikiProject Birds too. Although uncritical eulogies of penguins are perhaps somewhat outside WP:NPOV, I agree that it's likely an indication of a more positive outlook on their part. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to ramble on a bit, the IP is in the UK, and today is a school day for most some secondary schools there, so posting unhappy edits on an early secondary syllabus related topic just before 6pm local time may indicate that the editor was doing homework and grew sufficiently bored to try out the "anyone can edit" thing. Which is slightly intentional I suppose. It's not quite trolling as such (by my definition), since it's entirely possible they had no expectation anyone would ever see the edit or react to it. The welcome with a link to their contributions might have an interesting effect on that possible lack of awareness. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The more I thought about it, the more I felt that the comment, although crudely constructed, was a bit poetic. I looked around, and I suspect it may have been derived from the Bright Eyes song "Waste Of Paint": "I have a friend, he's mostly made of pain ... I am a waste of breath, of space, of time". Of course, just because it may be paraphrased lyrics doesn't mean that it doesn't express their true feelings. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  00:37, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, part of the beauty of poetry/song lyrics is the voice it can help give people to express their feelings. Someone who may not be able of articulating such things adequately may be able to point words - whether by Shakespeare or the hottest new rapper - and identify with it. Lady  of  Shalott  01:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

100% your fault in every possible way
I'm #1012 now, guess I need to go write a couple of articles I've been researching. I never even paid attention to this before you did. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  09:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I was about to say "sorry, Dennis", except it has apparently encouraged you to write articles, and, for that, I can't be sorry! Lady  of  Shalott  21:36, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And all I have to show for it is two GAs, and an FA that will be a TFA for July 12. ;-) I expect to start this long weekend.  It did encourage me in a silly way, but the results are worth the silliness of it all. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  22:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Bored?
I just started RV/MH Hall of Fame and uploaded a few photos. It will probably never get large, but I think there are enough sources out there to earn a DYK if you are interested in helping with it. Looked like a fun little article to add a few paragraphs on. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  17:04, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You snooze, you lose :) I've already expanded it a bit and submitted for DYK. I would actually like to visit it some day, I love RVs and camping. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  14:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hah! Well nice job. I had no idea there was an RV museum. Lady  of  Shalott  15:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I did just start Dinah the Pink Dinosaur as well. Did you know there was a giant 40 foot tall pink dinosaur in Utah? :D Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  15:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Eliphante is one that I wish we could use photos on, and needs work, but you might find interesting if you follow the links. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  20:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * RV museum Dennis? That's small potatoes, did you know Denbigh, Ontario has a Circular Saw Museum? --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It may, but it has no sources or I would have blue linked that for you. :/ Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  22:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Dennis, I'm sorry, but I can't promise to work on any articles at the moment. My aunt is down to probably her last hours on this earth. I swear, y'all're going to start to think I'm making this stuff up, and I wish I were. I hate clusters of events like this. :( Lady  of  Shalott  02:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to hear it Lady. Obviously family matters much more than anything going on here.  I don't drop these off expecting anything anyway, it is just a friendly gesture, offering light weight little things that you might find interesting to poke around with, since we haven't gotten to work together much, and I simply enjoy your company.  I hate to see that you have had so many challenges lately.  I wish you peace, friend.   Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  02:27, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dennis. I do enjoy seeing these odd little things you find to write up. We will get to work on an article for real together. I hope life will settle down before much longer. Lady  of  Shalott  02:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

University College London subpages
Hi LadyofShalott, I've recently removed a lot of fat from a series of articles related to University College London, its student union, student publications and related organizations. I expect that once COI accounts realize this, and see that the cutting has been done by an anonymous IP, they'll howl and restore the content. In truth, I was rather gentle. Our pal Drmies would have cut a wider swath, methinks. What I'm requesting is that you and other objective parties keep half an eye peeled for these--I can supply links to the individual articles if desired, but right now they're fresh in my edit history. Thank you in advance, and cheers, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 20:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Do please post the links, and I'll add them to my watchlist! Lady  of  Shalott  17:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay. Here are the articles I looked at, some of which I copy edited, others merely tagged.


 * Many thanks, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, 76.248.151.159 (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Happy birthday
I don't believe we've actually interacted before, although when I've seen your name around I've thought you seemed a kind and clueful person. Drmies says it's your birthday, so I thought I'd drop by and say.... Happy Birthday! --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Ditto. Thanks for bringing your beautiful mind here. :) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 18:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I too send my most felicitous birthday greetings and many happy returns of the day as well. MarnetteD | Talk 18:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC) Drmies, did you say August 8? That is the day after Mrs. kelapstick and me. Or maybe we are the sixth. I can never remember, all I know is her birthday is the following day. --kelapstick(on the run) 00:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That is the loveliest birthday cake and birthday cake delivery agent I've ever seen. Congratulations, Lady, and many happy years. Drmies (talk) 20:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Very happy birthday wishes to one of the nicest people around! Are you going to a party, party?  M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  20:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday, indeed. I hope to see you around WP for many, many years to come! Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:26, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * From me as well LoS; and may you have many many more. — Ched : ?  01:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh shucks, I bought a cake for you but apparently I've been outclassed yet again. Happy birthday, Lady! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Likewise LoS, all the best. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:31, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A bit belated perhaps, but I was away, making compliments to my wife. If you are in dire need of chocolate, give me a shout, and we will arrange something. Belgian chocolate is arguably the best.....Lectonar (talk) 10:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Awww, thank you all for the sweet birthday wishes! Drmies, please tell the girls I love their picture! Lady  of  Shalott  12:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd love to, but they're otherwise employed, bunch of iPad junkies...DYK that Liam is walking? How time flies. And how does it feel to be 25 still? All the best, and can I hope that the coming year will be less exciting? Drmies (talk) 13:23, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Happy birthday from me, too. And on that note, here's a proper top hat for you, not just a green textbar. :) De728631 (talk) 14:11, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, I say thank you to you all. 25 again? Hah! Less excitement in the coming year would be welcome. I bet Liam's into everything. L-C is cutting molars.  Lady  of  Shalott  01:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That boy's nothing but trouble, Lady. In fact, our anniversary is next week: if you would be so kind as to take care of those three a-hats for a day and a night, that would be ever so kind of you. August 8! (Did you see the Facebook pictures Mrs. Drmies posted of our wedding location, which we revisited two weeks ago?) Drmies (talk) 23:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OH! Rosie just informs me that her putting "Rosie" under one of the figures means nothing--she's the one with the CURLY hair, of course. (If one were, one might be interested in how Rosie usually writes her name: mirrored.) Thank you for allowing me to clarify. Drmies (talk) 23:47, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rosie is obviously very gifted. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  01:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, 8. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi.

Psychedelic Bananana (talk) 10:39, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Tweaked block on WMFTest1415926
Hiya. So when you blocked the WMFTest1415926, you also autoblocked them. Seems like it was actually a legit test account (for something, not 100% sure what). The autoblock ended up hitting the office and preventing people from legitimately editing. I've adjusted the block to just remove the autoblock portion. ^demon[omg plz] 17:55, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, thanks for letting me know! Are you aware of any heads' up that such test accounts were being made? Lady  of  Shalott  18:25, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I am not aware of any announcements. From what I heard around the office this morning, it was most likely an honest mistake. ^demon[omg plz] 23:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Lady  of  Shalott  23:57, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

AfD question
Re: "And you don't benefit from that philosophy, oh, IP editor? Want to explain just how I benefit from anything "at Wikipedia readers' expense"? Details, please." Most Wikipedians are volunteers, the "benefit" is psychological. You get a feeling of importance and can exercise control, a fundamental human drive which can be hard to satisfy in modern society. I don't know your background, but all I see on your userpage is a bunch of Wikipedia bullshit. If Wikipedia were run correctly, according to established scholarly norms, you and I would both be invited to contribute to and sign articles, under our real names, in our respective areas of expertise. That is, work not play, with direct personal responsibility for outcomes. Making Wikipedia a game or an "adventure" for random fun-seekers is just magnifying what already is to the point of unintentional parody.24.19.234.62 (talk) 22:19, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll grant that I get personal satisfaction out of the work I do on Wikipedia. You said, though, "at Wikipedia readers' expense". That is what you failed to answer. How is anything I have done at the "expense" of our readers? In working to improve the content of Wikipedia, I (and many others, of course) make something that is to the benefit of the readers, not their expense. Wikipedia is not a game to me; I merely said that the people making a training game should have the chance to see it it will be a useful tool for teaching new editors. Lady  of  Shalott  23:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If Wikipedia were run according to "scholarly norms" it wouldn't have attracted so many editors. Simple as that. Your "correctly" puts the cart before the horse; you already seem to know what correct is. BTW, Lady, thank you for contributing your time and your effort. Drmies (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Went/Gone Under
On the WBSC (AM) page, I used the way it was quoted in the reference. The former employee was quoted as saying the station had "went under". I can't find any sources that would say the station went into bankruptcy, so I'm thinking the station just ran out of money. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 03:14, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * In the direct quote, the foremer employee says that the "station went under", using the simple past. You rephrased it to use the past participle, which is gone, not went. Drmies can explain it all much better and more technically, I am quite sure. I agree with your interpretation of the meaning. Lady  of  Shalott  03:32, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I will take your word for it. :) I was never good with sentence structure and those participles. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Dravecky changed the section in question to this, which I think works (he is quite active in writing radio station articles). What do you think? - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:42, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That works! Lady  of  Shalott  17:49, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks. :) - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #900;padding:1px;"> Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 22:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Italo-Roman Traditionalism
Shouldn't there have been discussion before this name change? Are you happy with it? The editor changing it did the change on the basis that it is an academic name, but I can't find any sources for it. I would have moved it back if you hadn't edited it. Dougweller (talk) 18:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know enough about this area to have any opinion. Changing it back is fine with me (as is leaving it - I really don't have an opinion on this). Lady  of  Shalott  19:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Leskovdolska
Why did you revert my change? The article which it redirects to is already under the scope of the project. There is no need for the redirect to be tagged. --V3n0M93 (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It is correctly tagged as "redirect-class". That is different from whatever class assessment (start- B-, whatever) the actual article has. They are separate (but related) items that should both be tagged with the distinct assessments appropriate to them. Lady  of  Shalott  21:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * But does it really need to be tagged? There were only five redirect articles. There are probably hundreds of other redirects that don't have the banner. --V3n0M93 (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia, including its back-end, is a work in progress. Just because nobody has gotten around to tagging those many other redirects is no reason to undo the work that has been done to tag this and others. By your logic, there'd be no "redirect class" and no redirects would be tagged. Clearly, that's not the case. Lady  of  Shalott  21:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Merging articles
Dear LadyofShalott, I have just finished to improve the article of Buddhism in Africa. Although Buddhism is a world's religion but it's very tiny in Africa, not so much information to create separate articles for each country. Can you please help me to merging them, I don't know how to make it. There were someone merged some articles before such as Buddhism in Central Asia, Buddhism in Central America or Buddhism in the Middle East. Thank you so much. Angelo De La Paz (talk) 16:02, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

You "recognized my name"
As I don't think we've interacted here, I wasn't quite sure how to take that, but I assure I'm really not the capricious prick a few people seem to think I am :). Joefromrandb (talk) 01:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, no offense intended, I assure you. I didn't (don't) even have any particular memories/knowledge of your editing - I just knew I'd seen your name around. You weren't some brand new SPA created specifically to post racist trolling. Lady  of  Shalott  01:50, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Chanson de toile
Hey Lady, there's great interest these days in textiles (clothes, etc) and their cultural meaning. This article is an example of it. Can you find an appropriate category, maybe? And are there articles that can be linked in a See also section? Thanks, and have a great day! Drmies (talk) 14:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... for now I've just stuck it in Category:Textile arts, which isn't ideal. If there are other articles that would fit, I could create something along the lines of Category:Cultural depictions of textile arts. I'll have to work on that and the see also possibilities. Lady  of  Shalott  14:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That'd be great--thanks! Can you read JSTOR?, , ... (a quick selection to prove that it's happening) Drmies (talk) 16:27, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I can at work (currently elsewhere on lunch break). A related idea is Cultural depictions of spiders, as spiders and weaving are mythologically tied, for obvious reasons. How to - or if - to put those in a category together I haven't worked out. Lady  of  Shalott  16:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * We have Weaving (mythology). Lady  of  Shalott  16:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ...but weaving in literature is a redlink. aybe (stupid keyboard - the third letter of your usernae does not work here!) we need a topic overview article? Lady  of  Shalott  16:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Tony Ortega BLP
Hello LadyofShalott. I'm a noob editor up here and I noticed you recently made a minor edit to the Tony Ortega article that I had spent several weeks drafting offline, and then finalized on my user sandbox page before replacing the original stub article. But once I posted it, the majority of my work got ripped down and clobbered almost immediately for reasons I don't quite understand. Although I don't dispute that there was room for improvement and cleanup in the work I did, the edits that were done after the last version under my username seemingly left the article in a sorry state that you attempted to improve upon. So I was wondering if you would be so kind as to revisit the article when you have a chance, take a look at the version history and see if there is any legitimate reversals that can be done for the sections that have been completely removed? TIA and have a great day! Hapshepsuit (talk) 22:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, glancing over what was cut, I generally agree. I admit that I did not read all of it because there was way too much and sounded very promotional. If you want to propose specific things for re-adding, let me know. However, I think the cutting was basically the correct thing to do. Lady  of  Shalott  23:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking a look and my apologies for being a noob up here. It was not my intention to write a promotional article and I appreciate this opportunity to learn what I did wrong. Despite the other editor's accusation that I must have a personal connection to the subject, I have never actually met him. I am merely a newsjunky who has been fond of the various Voice Media Group altweekly newspapers ever since the Phoenix New Times staff went to jail over the Joe Arpaio coverage that this subject also worked on and won awards for. Thus, my knowledge of his career runs deep and stems from being an avid reader of the outlets he has worked for over the years as well as his current freelance blog.


 * The one section that has been completely removed that I struggled with the most was the "Recognition" heading. I tried to mirror what was done under that same heading (or similar alternatives such as "Awards," "Awards and recognition" or "Awards and honors") on many other journalist/editor articles. I even attempted to go the extra mile and use two sources on the awards list I posted for the sake of having secondaries where the norm seems to be only citing the primary source for the organization granting the award. Some of the articles I followed as an example for this included John Dougherty (journalist), John Sweeney (journalist), Barbara Demick and Robert Kovacik.


 * I was also perplexed at the photo being removed from the infobox. I had personally gotten permission from the photographer to use it up here after tracking down the proper ownership. It has been used on several past interviews the subject has done for various outlets as well as his own social network profiles prior to the professional headshots he currently uses (which are copyrighted by the photographer and I was unable to get permission for reuse on those). I had seen another editor upload a BLP photo in the American investigative journalist category, on behalf of some other owner under a similar "permission granted for reuse" scenario, where the actual owner is not who uploaded it but was acknowledged on the file metadata. I thought I used the same licensing classification as was done elsewhere in that type of situation. However, when I uploaded the photo to Wikimedia I didn't realize my WP user login credentials would carry over there so I mistakenly registered a second user name. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tony_Ortega.jpg


 * And lastly, the resurrected use of Reference No. 14 on the current article version from the New York Observer that quotes unnamed sources regarding the subject's resignation last year has me dumbfounded. This questionable cite and related text was included in the original stub article and is what inspired me to attempt writing a better article in the first place. I had replaced that source with one from The New York Times (Ref No 42 on my last version) covering the subject's departure from The Village Voice that quoted the executive editor of the newspaper chain and did not confirm the allegations surrounding his resignation that The Observer and other tabloid outlets ran. Even more alarming, there are now additional cites recycled from my work that have been tapped onto those unnamed staff member quotes (Refs No 15 & 16) that do not support those claims and have nothing to do with the content under the "Criticism of Scientology" section. So it looks as if the other editor is trying to ensure the questionable tabloid fodder that was quoted in the current version (and was the basis of original stub article with only the Observer cited) would look more legitimate than it actually is. Hapshepsuit (talk) 04:20, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

 * My pleasure, Hafspajen. :) Lady  of  Shalott  17:52, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Der Busant
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Josh Willis
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Unitarianism
Hi Aleta. Someone recently changed the title of "Unitarianism" to "Christian Unitarianism." We've had endless talks about this in the past and decided that "Unitarianism" is best, as it is the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. The article title has been stable for a long time. The person changed it without reaching any consensus first. I don't know how to change the title back to what it was, so I am hoping you could. many thanks! Don Bodo (talk) 21:02, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Don. Well I'm definitely not neutral in this matter, and so should not use the admin tools. I have though commented in the thread stating my objection to the move. I don't know if it's time to do a formal RM back to Unitarianism, or to your proposed Unitarianism (theology). Lady  of  Shalott  03:15, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013
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Thank you. Drmies (talk) 03:05, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
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