User talk:Lambiam/Archive 14

Ocean Pearl
Stop moving the article. Did you even see the edit summary? The / is not used on wikipedia for technical reasons. It makes the article as well as the talk page subpages of M. There is nothing we can do about that, and the display thing is also not endorsed by the Manual of Style. -MBK004 08:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * STOP replacing things that were removed without discussing them. The use of display title is not mentioned by the MOS, nor has it been specifically approved by WP:SHIPS for use on these articles. Your continued insistence on doing things "your" way without discussion will only lead to your being blocked. -MBK004 08:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if the technical reasons have been dealt with, there are several other reasons for the non-use of the /. The MV and MS templates used for easy ship article linking, and the passages in the ship naming conventions. As to the display title template, even if it is not explicitly mentioned, for continuity with the rest of ship articles, its useage needs to be discussed at the appropriate places such as WT:SHIPS and the MOS talk pages. -MBK004 09:50, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Redirect7
Template:Redirect7 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Magioladitis (talk) 13:21, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

File:DawkinsTYsmall.jpg listed for deletion
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Unreferenced BLPs
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Anchiornis
Hi Lambiam, please stop restoring the inaccurate image of the green Anchiornis. According to a new study, Anchiornis was gray, black, and orange with white wings, not green. Thanks. Dinoguy2 (talk) 01:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Azedo Gneco file in Commons
Yes, the correct spelling is República Social. Sorry for the mistake. Angrense (talk) 14:51, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Snafu with importing old history
Yeah, that's an unfortunate side effect of importing old edits from the Nostalgia Wikipedia. I had mentioned it as principle #6 at User:Graham87/Import, but I've just added a sentence on how it messes up the previous/next edit feature. Graham 87 00:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Philippe Bär
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 * Thank you for sourcing this article. NW ( Talk ) 01:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Reply on AfD
I replied on the Articles for deletion/Mondrian programming language discussion to your vote. Please respond further. Silver seren C 23:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Just to say thanks :)
Hi, I left a modification on the article Relational algebra and you corrected it, I just wish to say thank you because I know my english is very poor, and I think the modification were badly presented, sorry for the time you lost for that :$ Fabian Pijcke (talk) 09:32, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

File:Slania-Reutersvard stamp.png listed for deletion
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Friendly FYI
Hello!

Just so you know, when you the template Very long, as you did here, it  caused the page to show up in Category:Pages with incorrectly substituted templates. I understand fully why you did so, just wanted to let you know that when you do similar actions, please try and remove the text that adds it to this category. Great idea though! :) Keep up the positive contributions. Avic enna sis @ 20:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

جواب cevap answer
I'm sorry for the late reply cihanda sulh

جهانده صلح

--Tarih (talk) 03:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Ietsism
Good job finding sources for this one. I'm withdrawing the AFD. Robofish (talk) 22:47, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Category talk:Pages with incorrectly substituted templates
See my additional note there. Rich Farmbrough, 04:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC).

Tonnage
Hello Lambian. While Wikipedia has gotten much better in distinguishing tonnage from displacement, there is one refinement of the former which is often overlooked. Prior to 1969 the measure was gross register tons (grt), but in that year the measure was changed to gross tons (gt), a change which took effect in 1982. They are very similar but not identical measures. Passenger ships rated after 1982 should all be measured by gross tons; ratings for those built before depends on the rating date. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Weight
Hi, fwiw, I fully agree with your revert. Ather this and this on my talk page, and due to the fact that communication is impossible with people who change their IP every minute, I decided to stay away from this editor and wait for someone to clean up their mess. If they persist, we can file for semi-protection of the article. Anyway, some trouble might be ahead... - DVdm (talk) 09:45, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It is so funny though, that you re-edited totally the article to a point where it is conceptually wrong. I don't know how many times I have said it: weight and mass are not the same, and then you went all over the place saying the opposite.
 * Plus reverting the contents of an article without the most minimum discussion is simply not right. Do use discussion section before doing reverts !!!!!!!! I'm going to re-tag all the article (where it is actually needed) again... reason for not logging in anymore on this wikipedia is because it is a shame to the Wikipedia model to struggle this much with something as simple.


 * ahh.. Having sources that state wrong information doesn't entitle you to put it as a valid reference on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.71.8.64 (talk) 04:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ??? . --Lambiam 05:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps see also User talk:DVdm. DVdm (talk) 07:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Mediafire link @ Pacman
How is it relevant? It could potentially be anything. Message from XENUcomplaints? leave me a message! 19:04, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No. MediaFire could have changed the content. A link to a filesharing site is never acceptable on Wikipedia. Plus, the link was unrequired, Google had a link up. Wikipedia is not a directory of links. Message from XENUcomplaints? leave me a message!  22:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

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Thank you for the information
Thank you :) User:Kannadakumara (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:01, 30 May 2010 (UTC).

IHH
What are you calling weird, weirdo? Can't you distinguish the letter İ used in the Turkish name from the letter I used in the international name? Or can you speak any Turkish at all? Behemoth (talk) 00:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

IHH listed as Terrorist Organization by the US

 * Note* Please read the original post in the TALK discussion again.  It clearly mentions two existing documents, and you use an argument against the second that directly corresponds to the first.  At least acknowledge that I am speaking of two (2) separate documents before using one to try and disallow the other.  Thanks!Erelas RyAlcar (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Gaza flotilla - rods or poles
Hi, I had changed the caption in the image to poles, as it is a less specific term than rods (which is generally a term used for a very long slender object). The reference you added actually uses both (if you play the video, the subtitle reads "beating with metal poles"). I'm not too fussed either way, its just that 'rods' seems a bit more awkward to me. Clovis Sangrail (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

June 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that articles should always be written from a neutral point of view. A contribution you made to 2007–present blockade of the Gaza Strip appears to carry a non-neutral point of view, and your edit may have been changed or reverted to correct the problem. Please remember to observe this important core policy. Thank you. ''You wrote: " The document (...) contradicts the repeated assertions of the Israeli government that the blockade was instituted as a security measure" However you did not correctly attribute this statement to be an opinion of Sari Bashi, the director of Gisha, phrasing this as an encyclopedic truth. The correct way to phrase this would be: Sari Bashi, the director of Gisha, said that this shows that Israel isn't imposing its blockade for its stated reasons of a security measure to prevent weapons from entering Gaza, but rather as collective punishment for the Palestinian population of Gaza. I'm sure you have done this inadvertently, but in the future in such controversial topics, please be more careful not to introduce POV into the article. Thanks :) '' Marokwitz (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't let yourself be intimidated by this, Lambiam. Your edit (taken as a whole) was in fact quite close to NPOV, and Marokwitz should know better than to template the regulars. --NSH001 (talk) 14:00, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The above message was not in any form intimidating, and I object to your wording. And that essay is not a policy. Marokwitz (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * This use of the "Welcome" template is patronizing and thus completely inappropriate in a content dispute, especially one between long-time editors. I take no position on the facts of the dispute, but suggest that the discussion belongs on the talk page of the article and needs to be addressed to the wording of the article and not to the editors. Bielle (talk) 14:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I admit that I didn't check the edit history of Lambiam and didn't read the template carefully enough . My aim was only to point out what I though was an unintentional addition of POV material due to wording that should have been attributed to Sari Bashi, and calling for more caution per the special status of the I/P conflict. If it appeared patronizing then I sincerely apologize.  Marokwitz (talk) 21:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

IHH
Please do not engage in massive edits, as you did repeatedly, thereby reintroducing older versions of paragraphs and discarding many serious edits, including corrections to make the text conform to the source, to remove mischaracterizations of the primary source, and generally to introduce balance. Your approach to collaborative editing may be seen as edit warring. If you want to re-introduce a paragraph whose removal, in your opinion, was not justified, then the proper approach is to: Please try to work in the spirit of striving for consensus. Edit warring will not help in the longer run to get a stable and balanced article; either you will get blocked, or the article will be frozen in whatever random state it is in then, or both.
 * 1) re-introduce such paragraphs one at a time;
 * 2) re-introduce them in the latest edited version, instead of reverting to some much earlier version, thereby undoing the work other editors did in the meantime to improve the paragraph;
 * 3) motivate the re-introduction of this paragraph in your edit summary with a specific motivation;
 * 4) discuss the issue in specific terms on the talk page, preferably beforehand;
 * 5) refrain from repeating the same.

--Shamir1 (talk) 17:05, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

(Note: this is apparently in reaction to this message of mine. --Lambiam 17:37, 15 June 2010 (UTC))

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Why did you remove Şafak Altun, Rüşvet'ten Özelleştirme'ye yolsuzluğun 100 yıllık tarihi, Agorakitaplığı, 2004, ISBN 9758829513, s. 259. The money that two organization was transfered to Süleyman Mercümek (his nick is Welfare Party's cash register). "İnsan hakları hürriyetleri" is one of doctorines of Millî Görüş. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 17:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

İHH and Refah
The phrase "that was formed to provide aid to Bosnian Muslims together with Welfare Party" means that the purpose for which İHH was formed, was to work together with Refah. Correct me if I'm wrong – I can only see a fragment of the text from Rüşvetten Özelleştirmeye Yolsuzluğun 100 Yıllık Tarihi – but all the cited source says is that money collected by RP and İHH was transferred to Süleyman Mercümek's account. It does not say anything about why İHH was formed, and as formulated does not even imply that the organizations worked together in collecting the money. So the source does not support the statement, which is why I removed it. I thought the rationale for the removal was clear from the edit summary: source only states that both organizations collected money for Bosnia. If the book has further information, or you have other reliable information, on notable connections of İHH with RP (and other connections, such as currently with Saadet Partisi, or with Milli Görüş as you write), please let me know. I saw some claims relating İHH and Milli Görüş, but they were not reliable sources, and therefore not useable. --Lambiam 18:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Communauté Islamique du Milli Gorus de la Région Lyonnaise Takabeg (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * As you can see in this list of contact persons of IHH e.V., Adem Bark and Zeliha Vural, mentioned in the French Milli Görüş item, are project managers of the German IHH. To the best of my knowledge, that organization is independent of the Turkish İHH; see also Talk:IHH (İnsani Yardım Vakfı). --Lambiam 19:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * But they use very similar logomarks. (IHH e.V & IHH) Türkçeniz var mı acaba ? Takabeg (talk) 17:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Bir birine yakınsa da aynı değildir. Ama İngilizce konuşalım; bu tartışma herkes için anlaşılır olsun. Yes, as I wrote on the article's talk page in the section I linked to above: "having a similar (but not identical) logo". Why wouldn't they simply use the same logo if it is essentially the same organization? Note that while the German and Turkish websites do not even link to each other – also not on the Klarstellung page of IHH e.V. where they mention İHH by name – the website of the German IHH does feature links to the other branches; see here. The website of the Danish branch states here (in Danish): "IHH's head office is located in Frankfurt, Germany, and has offices in several countries, including Denmark." Apparently there is no organizational connection. --Lambiam 19:11, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

General relativity and its affect on weight
Lambian, have you seen what’s been going on at Talk:Weight? Not only is the material far too complex for Weight and not only does it belong as a subsection on General relativity, but didn’t you catch how those guys were doing WP:OR-type arguments about the validity of the formulas rather than simply pointing to a citation that supported what they were saying? I deleted that “relativity” business because it was way too complex, but just now realized the section didn’t have a single citation. I had an epiphaney just now as to why that was the case: Wikipedians who seemed intent on changing the way the world works. Greg L (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Abbreviation/Plural forms
Please don't create pages in articlespace that are meant to be transcluded into other articles. Each page in articlespace has to be directly categorized as an article in its own right — but what you created at Abbreviation/Plural forms isn't an article and doesn't have a category it can be added to. We also don't create "subpage" articles, where an article is titled "Other page/Subtopic", in articlespace. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 06:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)