User talk:Lancetrumbull

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Mount Everest
Hello Lance. Thank you for your recent contributions to the Mount Everest article. Some concerns have been raised that your edits may be giving undue weight to your own experience(s), which could be a conflict of interest of sorts. Would you mind discussing these changes at Talk:Mount Everest prior to replacing this content? Thank you, Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 09:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

November 2007
If you have a close connection to some of the people, places or things you have written about, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
 * 1) editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with,
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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see Business' FAQ. For more details about what constitutes a conflict of interest, please see Conflict of Interest. Treygdor (talk) 08:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

January 2008
Please do not add copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Toddst1 (talk) 22:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. On 27 November 2007, User Cosmo0 had tagged this article as a cut and paste edit which you promptly reverted. Toddst1 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of The Everest Peace Project
A tag has been placed on The Everest Peace Project, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Business' FAQ for more information.

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I just noticed that it was you who also deleted The Everest Peace Project article. You delted the article about The Everest Peace Project and about the film Everest: A Climb for Peace. Do you have something personal against me? Why would you do this?!

How may I ask was this an advert or a promotion of the company. It is a fact based overview of an important peace organization that has been endorsed by the United Nations and His Holliness the Dalai Lama. I re-wrote the overview again.

Lance
 * It's certainly not personal. Part of the work I (and many others) do here is to patrol recent changes and new pages for quality control. I investigated The Everest Peace Project after one of our automated scripts (bots as we call them) had flagged it as a potential copyright infringement. These are especially troublesome because if uncorrected, can lead to legal problems for Wikipedia.  When you find something like that, you usually look at some of the other edits made by that person to check for similar or other problems.  We try to provide guidance to these editors (as you might notice on this page) as to how not to repeat their mistakes.  Unfortunately in this case you have told us that you can't be bothered to learn.  Toddst1 (talk) 18:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I did not say I could not be bothered to learn - I said I was very busy and to be honest, I do not understand this whole copyright policy and how to go about fixing it and so I have just rewritten the article it is in the "temp page" for Everest: A Climb for Peace (although i could not figure out how to redo the main table). Can you please take a look and approve this?! Lancetrumbull (talk) 20:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)Lance Trumbull

Speedy deletion of The Everest Peace Project
A tag has been placed on The Everest Peace Project, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. -Mastrchf91- 05:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Everest and copyvio issues.
I thought I would address this since I've noticed a few edits that you've posted in regards to the Everest movie and other such edits. The reason why a copyvio tag was placed on Everest: A Climb for Peace is because it followed word per word the Everest Peace Project website. On the website itself it states on the bottom "© Copyright 2002-2007 The Everest Peace Project. All Rights Reserved" wikipedia cannot accept materials that are copyrighted. All material that is placed on wikipedia is placed under the GNU Free Documentation License, and pass notability guidelines, which means that it gives "readers the same rights to copy, redistribute and modify a work and requires all copies and derivatives to be available under the same license." The information on that site being copyrighted, as that site claims, doesn't allow for that to happen. If you would like more information about releasing information under the GNU Free Documentation License you should read over Donating copyrighted materials.

Addressing the advertising tags: The article was called an advertisement because the content on the page existed to promote the DVD. Wikipedia is not for self promotion or advertising. Things need to be written in a neutral point of view and be reliably sourced. You can find more information about wikipedia policy on the welcome message that was posted above. Anyway I hope this clarifies some issues for you. If you have any questions you can ask me and I'll answer to the best of my ability, post along with your question on your talk page and somebody will come to answer your question, or you can go to Questions. --ImmortalGoddezz 07:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please note that wikipedia has it's own rules and guidelines which all information has to abide by. I've left you ample information about why you keep on getting these copyvio warnings and what you need to read over to correct the situation. Please note that I've taken my time out to help clarify the issue at hand and that wikipedia is a group project, not just my own. If the information you have provided does not follow the guidelines and policies it will be removed. It is not a personal attack against you, but policy for this encyclopedia. Once again please read over the welcome message posted above and my own comment, it should give you some insight about what you can do about the information you've added that keeps getting removed. --ImmortalGoddezz 22:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

What you stated on my film's Web site - on its wiki page - in my humble opinion is wrong and should be reverted back to its original writing. I am the copyright owner - I am the owner of The Everest Peace Project! I am the one who wrote this overview - why do you people like to make things difficult?! The article is not an advert - it is written as an overview and is reliably sourced below. Fact: it is narrated by Orlando Bloon - fact: it has been endorsed by the Dalai Lama - fact: it does have a dramatic rescue - fact: it was filmed in 9 different countries - fact: the focus in on the Palestinian and Israeli climbers - fact...etc.! What else do you need?! Please let me know.

It is extremely frustrating to spend 5 years on a project that is meaningful that is trying to sew the seeds of peace and recocilliation to the world and then have someone like yourself just wipe out the page on a whim because you feel like it.

If you have an issue then please email me direct: lance@everestpeaceproject.org

Lance Trumbull

How to give GDFL Permission
I'll try one more time: If you wish to give up the copyright to the material, please check out Requesting_copyright_permission. It has all the info you need. Be sure you understand the rights to the text that you will be giving up. Then, you'll be granted an ORTS ticket and can post the material verbatim. Toddst1 (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, this whole thing is just...well, I don't want to express my four letter frustrations here...I really do not have the time to figure out all of this copyright stuff - I am still baffled why I cannot just write what I wrote on my Web site and why you had to make an issue of this to begin with?!


 * Can you please revert it back to how it was (or leave the part in question blank - keeping the table on the right and all the links still present)- and then I will immediately rewrite it changing the phrasing around so you are happy with it. I would greatly appreciate it if you could do this.


 * If you have any questions or issues you can contact me direct: lance@everestpeaceproject.org Thank you, Lance  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.122.223 (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're too busy to learn some simple rules that several editors have pointed you towards, then I would suggest you're too busy to be editing here. Peace.
 * Toddst1 (talk) 23:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

As per my email above (last week)- I have re-written both "Everest: A Climb for Peace" (there is a temp page for your approval) - and "The Everest Peace Project" - can you please make them function once again?! You were so quick to delete them, why does it take so long to make them active once again? Lancetrumbull (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)Lance Trumbull


 * I'll put this simply. Everest: A Climb for Peace is a copyright violation of http://www.everestpeaceproject.org/dvd_film_overview.html. The source website states "© Copyright 2002-2007 The Everest Peace Project. All Rights Reserved". Talk:Everest: A Climb for Peace/Temp is a duplicate copy of the article in question, it has not been rewritten, and is still a copyright violation. We cannot accept text that infringes on copyright.
 * If you are the website/copyright owner all you need to do to clear this up is send one very simple email to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org (replace "at" with @ and "dot" with .) stating that you are the copyright owner and that you agree to license the material under the terms of the GFDL. There is even a boilerplate you can use here. Then someone will come along and tag the talk page of the article, remove the copyright violation tag and restore the article for all to read. Presto, all fixed.--DO11.10 (talk) 19:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Everest: A Climb for Peace
I have nominated Everest: A Climb for Peace, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Everest: A Climb for Peace. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. michfan2123 (talk) 04:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

April 2008
Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''Your edits inserting peacock words to promote your film have been reverted again. Please do not re-insert them.'' Toddst1 (talk) 05:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Todd you have seem to have a real issue with me for some reason. First you tried to block and delete this entry and now when someone else posted it - and when I am trying to correct its errors and mistakes and add relevant info - you delete them! What is your problem? The film was released in late Novemeber 2007 - I thought of the project and started putting it together on October 2nd, 2002 (5 years) - the project, the climb and the film took 5 years (not 3 and a half years to plan) - and - now I see you edited and deleted some of the things that someone else posted about the Everest Peace Project - and which I tried to clarify and correct. Seriously, what is your problem?

Lance Trumbull


 * To be clear: I re-instated the edits that User: ImmortalGoddezz made (he/she clearly indicated why that editor made them) that you reverted without explanation. As User: ImmortalGoddezz pointed out, the sources you cite say "three and a half years to plan, " not 5 as you claim. My problem is that your efforts to promote your film via Wikipedia are in violation of Wikipedia policy and a clear conflict of interest.  Please stop.  Toddst1 (talk) 05:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Todd - The article was written on March 15th, 2006 - as the article states the CLIMB took 3 and a half years to put together. The FILM came out on November 26th, 2007 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1148692/) (one and a half years later)- please do the math: 3 1/2 plus 1 1/2 = 5. And so what I put is accurate, more complete and factually correct, Please revert back to what I wrote, which was: The climb for peace expedition and the documentary which took five years to plan, execute and put together - [3] is about 9 'peace climbers' as they climb the north side of Mount Everest.[4] - the rest I will address laeter.... Lance Trumbull