User talk:Lantaada

Somalia and Somali people history is open to challenge. Dantaada (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

POV pushing on the Puntland article
Stop adding POV to the Puntland. I have already told you that the source you claimed indicates that Farole's PhD candidacy is "controversial" is original research, as the source states no such thing. All it states is that "history PhD candidate Abdirahman Mohamed Farole was in The Age on 10 January after being elected president of the African country, Puntland. The article appeared under the front page headline 'La Trobe student takes on pirates.'". Note that original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. Only information which is directly and explicitly supported by the sources cited is:

"Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, arguments, or conclusions."

"Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked. To demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented."

"'No original research' is one of three core content policies. The others are neutral point of view and verifiability. Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in articles. Because they complement each other, they should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should familiarize themselves with all three."

The above is also why your using this source (a personal website, which Wikipedia expressly discourages) -- which includes outdated information that is, according to the webmaster(s)' own dubious assertions, valid as of "1990-12-31" (i.e. almost twenty years ago) -- to indicate that this sub-region or that sub-region is "not recognized" when the source itself does not indicate this anywhere is inadmissible. Though I will say that your edits strike me as awfully familiar-looking, now that you are at least familiar with policy, kindly refrain from using Wikipedia as a soapbox for airing your personal views. Middayexpress (talk) 21:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Look Shabeellaha: I know it's you. And if you persist with this charade, so will everyone else. I'm asking you again nicely to desist with your soapboxing. Middayexpress (talk) 21:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Midday Express, you are hard worker...
You have the potential to change Somalia but become linear so as to do that. Dantaada (talk) 22:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

For the record - reasons for unblocking
I note here for the record your approach to me by email with regards a request to be unblocked, inclusive of detail reflecting differences in edits abnd edit styles between yourself and the two accounts Runta and HotIssue. I appreciate your confirmation, already established via our checkuser process that all of the accounts mentioned at Sockpuppet investigations/Runta are editing from the same computer. I note your insistence that you are not the same editor as these other two, and I can appreciate the possibility that a number of editors, edit from the same computer.

Following a careful examination of your edits I have decided to act in favour of your request by reversing my initial blocking of this account. I do so on the basis that (a) all participants (unless banned outright) are entitled to at least one account at this project, and (b) that you agreed to attempt your edits via consensual action in relation to articles related to Abdirahman Mohamud Farole, Puntland and indeed at any article where content dispute arises. This will mean talking to other editors and not engaging in an edit war. I also take this opportunity to inform you of our 3 revert rule which you should note can result in immediate blocking if breached.

I do not mean to sound heavy handed, and I sincerely hope that you can engage appropriately with other editors in this community - but I note for your benefit that whilst I can understand you may not be a sock puppet or sock puppeteer, I will be forced to block you immediately should you engage in action that flagrantly breaches our policies and guidelines. In effect then this is your final warning - whilst we establish your intentions and monitor your edits over the short to medium term at wikipedia.

Go well. -- VirtualSteve need admin support? 06:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * PS I have left an appropriate message at Middayexpress regarding my actions and the continuing edits at the above named pages. Best wishes.-- VirtualSteve need admin support? 06:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Further please note the conversation that occurred here. Please edit slowly, follow policies and as necessary discuss your edits on the talk pages should they be reverted. You may also attend my talk page to seek assistance as necessary.-- VirtualSteve  need admin support? 22:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

puntland and farole issues through peaceful channels rather than edit warring
Editing and counter editing (reverting) or accusation and counter accusation again and again is not solution. My style of editing might be different from yours but NPOV, No original resarch, verifiability and reliable sources should be followed by avoiding vandalism, edit warring and conflict of interests.

Wikipedia article (page) is owned by no single person. It is free encyclopedia that everyone can contribute (edit) as long as he/she does not violate Wikipedia policies and principles. Thus I again analyzed Puntland article and found out the following points:

1-	In the opening (first) paragraph there is sentence “A third of the Somali people live in the province.” I tried to verify the validity of this claim but could not find any reliable third party source or publication supporting this. Citation is needed or else this statement will fail to meet reliable sources and verifiability principles (policies)of Wikipedia.

2-	In paragraph2 of heading “politics” Puntland ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntland#Politics), there is sentence “Dr Farole had left Puntland in 2006 after a falling out with then president Hersi over a deal with the Australian company Range Resources.” The prefix “Dr.” is used when the person holds doctoral degree and as we know Mr. Farole has been PhD candidate at La Trobe University (see http://www.latrobe.edu.au/uninews/assets/downloads/190109.pdf ). Citation of reliable third party source or publication supporting this (Dr.) is required otherwise it will be removed in accordance with Wikipedia principles.

3-	In the heading “geography” Puntland(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntland#Geography ), “Karkaar, Haylaan and Cayn” are mentioned as regions of Somalia (Somali Republic) that are part of Puntland State. But according to the last administrative divisions (regions) of Somalia such regions did not exist (see http://www.statoids.com/uso.html). You left message on mytalk page User_talk:Dantaada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dantaada) saying “ http://www.statoids.com/uso.html ” to be outdated (page was updated 2007). Suppose (2007)is outdated as you think but remember as long as there is no Somali Republic Government that redistributes or names new regions (administrative divisions), these regions mentioned at statoids.com and else where are valid. Thus to claim “Karkaar, Haylaan and Cayn” as regions of Somalia, citation is needed that is both reliable and verifiable otherwise they will be subject to review within the boundaries of Wikipedia policies and principles. On the other hand, the region Mudug consists of: “Jariiban, Goldogob, Gaalkacyo, Hobyo and Xaradheere” districts (administrative subdivisions) (see http://www.statoids.com/yso.html). Puntland controls (administrates) “Jariiban, Goldogob and part of Gaalkacyo (Northern part)”. The remaining districts (i.e Hobyo, Xaradheere and south Gaalkacyo) are out of Puntland State’s rule. As per NPOV, this fact is to be mentioned.

4-	Again in the heading “geography” Puntland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntland#Geography ), in the second last paragraph says “Both the Sool and Sanaag regions have declared themselves autonomous parts of Somalia as Northland State (2008) and Maakhir State (2007), respectively, but Maakhir has rejoined Puntland after the arrival of General Abdullahi Ahmed Jama Ilkajir in 2008.” There is no citation for this statement. Unless citation of reliable and verifiable third party source or publication is supported, it will be open to revision.

5-	Come to farole page. His academic (education) record and work experience are taken from the source: Garoweonline.com ( http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/puntland_election/C_raxman_Farole_oo_soo_gudbiyey_C_V.shtml ). However Goroweonline.com is not reliable source. In this link of Mr. Farole’s CV, it says “PhD Candidate –Development of Somali Financial Institutions in historical  perspective.” At the same time it has another article by itself (http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somalia_A_historic_journey_from_opposition_to_the_Puntland_presidency.shtml ) in which it calls Dr. Farole “Dr. Farole, 63, won in the third round of voting by the 66-seat Puntland Parliament, which essentially functions as the region's Electoral College.” This is the latest one of the two links by garoweonline.com. Garoweonline.com publications (articles) contradict each other. Thus farole page requires new revision and reliable citations.

On conclusion, I ask you (middayexpress) to consider the works (contributions) of others to farole, puntland and other Somali related Wikipedia Pages by not reverting (undoing) and disrupting their efforts as long as they do not violate Wikipedia policies and principles. On the other hand, if you have objection(s) on the points I have discussed above of puntland and farole, you are welcome to share with me and other concerned Wikipedians. Remember Wikipedia is free encyclopedia everyone can edit on good faith.

N.B.: last time you (middayexpress) left me message on my talkpage User_talk:Dantaada that seemed aggressive. It says “Look Shabeellaha: I know it's you. And if you persist with this charade, so will everyone else. I'm asking you again nicely to desist with your soapboxing. Middayexpress (talk) 21:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)”

Please be patient and polite.

BY Dantaada (talk) 19:41, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Formal warning
I have cut and paste my reply to you at my talk page here also because it is important that I warn you about any appearance that may be construed as a legal threat. I have noted your message - now please start your work of editing articles. Messages of concern about content on articles are best placed on talk pages of the articles rather than at an editors page as you did on Middayespress. Also please read this is regards to your words at my talk page which I am assuming at this time come more as the result of English being your second language and that you are actually referring to blocking actions by an administrator. Nevertheless - threats of legal action, or anything that looks or reads as a threat of such action are blockable offences and you should be careful not to repeat such wording as future transgressions will result in a blocking of your account. Now as I suggest please start work on articles rather than go to Middayexpress's page any further at this time. Best wishes. -- VirtualSteve need admin support? 21:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for you guidelines. I am sorry I could not read your message earlier. I was out. Lantaada (talk) 22:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)